Anyone Support Experiments and Professionals' Help to Get to Verse Meanings
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Peace sister reel.
My thoughts ,also willing to listen to other thoughts
What about the professional profile? Should it be checked?
And how can a professional claim that they are "expert" in Qoran? Who sets the criteria for qualification?This is a matter for GOD Alone to do in my opinion. I mean do both the preparation- of the professionals to experiment- and help them with the task.Why?
Because GOD Alone knows the intentions and motives . Professionals are humans ,all humans are tried the same including them and some are guided - because of their intention,honesty and sincerity- and others are misguided- because of their pretence. Hypocrisy and gains/loyalties to others-
Also GOD is the author ,the explainer and the ever-living overseeing Qoran, can . Is GOD not the best of all the professionals?
What about us relying on professionals? Are we to step over the line of shirk? Taking on the professionals as other "gods"?
As for checking who do we check with? Another professional? GOD? Other? Our instinct or intelligence?May be with the right intention, method ,putting GOD as the sole authority of His scripture ...etc. each individual seeking guidance and doing the hard work of seeking GOD could become the "professional". The more the better to "compete " in the pursuit of filtering right from wrong in the human maze of past and present life. And to spread hope for the future,
GOD bless you.
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Oops, sorry if I am not clear in the post.
Peace sister reel.
My thoughts ,also willing to listen to other thoughts
What about the professional profile? Should it be checked?
And how can a professional claim that they are "expert" in Qoran? Who sets the criteria for qualification? This is a matter for GOD Alone to do in my opinion.Definitely bro, expert of Quran is only God. I was talking about specific topics covered in the verses. I didn't study medicine. I don’t know much about human anatomy. Hence, I cannot be expected to understand the verses related to that just by doing textual analysis. What should be my other option then? Someone who studied medicine.
I have come to realize plenty of professionals already help us with interpretations. But we don’t directly tell new people of Quran alone to consider their knowledge.I mean do both the preparation- of the professionals to experiment- and help them with the task.Why?
Everyone should feel free to do their own experiments personally at home. I did a quite a few on verses related to rituals that are still being debated here. Results turned out be what I never ever saw. Just beyond textual analysis. If multiple people do the experiments and compare their findings it will be easier to reach conclusions about the verse meanings.
And of course, that needs to be also stated to new interested parties esp exsunnis.
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Peace be upon you!
Some of the verses are straightforward and do not require interpretation. Nevertheless, I do not think that there will ever be a general and coordinated interpretation of the Quran. It is up to each of us to study, seek help through contact prayers, and have patience. The Almighty increases our knowledge if He so wills.
A good English translation contributes to correct interpretations. Therefore, a correct interpretation derives from the will of God only
The Almighty taught the Quran.
My Lord, increase me in knowledge. 20114
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Peace be upon you!
It is up to each of us to study, seek help through contact prayers, and have patience. The Almighty increases our knowledge if He so wills.
A good English translation contributes to correct interpretations. Therefore, a correct interpretation derives from the will of God only
The Almighty taught the Quran.
My Lord, increase me in knowledge. 20114
Peace,
I had the same view. But how am I supposed to study something I have no knowledge of? This forum has countless threads in which verses related to certain fields are rediculed because of the users' lack of knowledge on them. Ironically, they are refuted through the use of what professionals say. So why not just make it an official option?
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Peace,
I had the same view. But how am I supposed to study something I have no knowledge of? This forum has countless threads in which verses related to certain fields are rediculed because of the users' lack of knowledge on them. Ironically, they are refuted through the use of what professionals say. So why not just make it an official option?
Peace be upon you!
There is no guaranteed knowledge in this forum or any of the threads. Many users interpret verses to the best of their understanding - which can be either correct or incorrect. The best interpretation is the one that seems most logical and right to you. Read, reflect, research, and trust in God. God loves those who put their trust in Him
If God supports you, none can defeat you. And if He forsakes you, who is the one who can support you after Him? In God the believers should trust.
And do not follow what you have no knowledge of. The hearing, the sight and the heart, all these will be questioned for it.
Understanding of the Quran is not to be generalised; that would eliminate various tests that God has imposed upon us
... For each of you, We have decreed a law and a method. Had God willed, He would have made you one nation, but He tests you through what He has given each of you. So hasten to do good deeds. To God is your return, all of you, then He will inform you about that in which you used to differ.
Please read this PDF that I have set up if you are interested in learning the best way to study the Quran https//drive.google.com/file/d/1Ct3GWB5LA5sJBQyMXCoKRzjFdYlvy7-D/view?usp=sharing
The content in this pdf is from Quran-islam.org
P.S Sister, may I ask what Quranic translation you are using?
My Lord, forgive and have mercy. You are the best of the merciful. 23118
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Many users interpret verses to the best of their understanding - which can be either correct or incorrect. The best interpretation is the one that seems most logical and right to you. Read, reflect, research, and trust in God.
Understanding of the Quran is not to be generalised;
lol, bro, there we have it! That's what I have been saying. Sometimes for the logic we do need to look into the field the verse is about. Consider the ones about human anatomy or astronomy. Do you think we would understand without knowledge from those fields?
Please read this PDF that I have set up if you are interested in learning the best way to study the Quran https//drive.google.com/file/d/1Ct3GWB5LA5sJBQyMXCoKRzjFdYlvy7-D/view?usp=sharing
The content in this pdf is from Quran-islam.org
P.S Sister, may I ask what Quranic translation you are using?
My Lord, forgive and have mercy. You are the best of the merciful. 23118
Thanks, I will check the link. I don't depend on one single translation. I like checking the Arabic words myself. All of us do use academic stuffs. I just want this to be made official. I also like experimenting. It helped me understand a lot stays hidden if that is not done.
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lol, bro, there we have it! That's what I have been saying. Sometimes for the logic we do need to look into the field the verse is about. Consider the ones about human anatomy or astronomy. Do you think we would understand without knowledge from those fields?
Thanks, I will check the link. I don't depend on one single translation. I like checking the Arabic words myself. All of us do use academic stuffs. I just want this to be made official. I also like experimenting. It helped me understand a lot stays hidden if that is not done.
Sister Reel Peace..
We know actually who Professionals are.. Coz they are much known to everyone in their field.no need their profile.. That prompts people to approach their assistance / knowledge. Kids learn coz of teachers who are erudite more than them.. So professionals are much profound possessing wider range or spectrum of knowledge in certain field than general person/s... In that angle we all should agree..
But why I said we have to be much vigilant, coz we should not make anyone our scholar when it comes to Quran.. How one make another a scholar? Scholar says something and the one who questioned accepts and follows.. God says to explore Quran and keep locking our heart won't work out.. We can't restrict and lock ourselves to others understanding... But we should keep exploring..
How we explore? That's key.. First of all we should have standard or possibly higher education.. Then We should thoroughly read Quran..
Remember no one can claim he is thorough in Quran and he is professional in it.. Rest of the field people can claim they are professional in the chosen faculty .... Coz Quran's guidance is from God to whom He wills.. That's irrevocable ..
Having said that I would like to mention another point..
As you say or we all know that Quran has mentioned various matters which are related with certain faculty of education.. Whoever is thorough in those fields is obviously professional..
But Sister Reel.. Professional's statement and what God has stated shouldn't contradict.. Here comes the controversial point.. Coz professional's statements are much more accepted and worldwide renowned and commended.. So normal people talking against them is considered much fragile.. Coz they would ask what is your qualification in this field to voice against a professional.. Of course fair enough..
But We may have understood Quran better than the professional of certain field but we may not tally with professional ..
Subsequently either we have to leave professional or accept Quran or vice versa..
Best example about Evolution... Professional are of the view it is evolution and not creation... Professional giving that statement of evolution with much research and experiment perhaps.. But God's verses are just verses.. One may lean towards professional's statement coz it has more weight coz of loads of research..
Or take the most heated topic.. Professionals are of the view that this Earth is spherical and spinning.. But.. It is our duty to explore Quran as well to know about our world we are living.. If simply take the knowledge of professional what Quran explains will also be undisputedly spinning Earth.. I know for most on earth, it is still spinning even with the knowledge of Quran... No harm.. Coz that's their understanding of Quran.. .. But.. Why depend on professional merely and giving them more authority and believing in them 100% overpowering their professional research to what Quran says..
We can't surrender to professional's view but we can learn from them and if we are certain that professional's view is not right then no need to feel shameful to speak against them until they furnish a meaningful reply if they really are professional ..
Take embryology etc etc within Quran.. For all we can take the input of professional, but don't take them right if what you understood within Quran doesn't comply with their professional research or experiment...
That will only lead us to wittingly or unwittingly reject God's verses..
Coz We already believed in the existence of God with mercy of Him without any book ... Then we took the Quran for guidance and for confirmation and not to deviate from the Existing belief of God without any book..
If anyone feels human research is right and what God stated is wrong Satan has won.. Coz this same book can misguide us.. Coz that's what Satan wants... Dupe us in intelligent way.. Coz Satan is much intelligent as he has deceived our father and majority on Earth..So sister simply coz we don't understand or we are not jack of every faculty, we cannot go in line with professional.. That is our weakness..
So.. Steps to be done.. Cultivate knowledge as much as we can, then explore Quran and compare professional's research, our understanding and compare everything with verses of God... Conclude what suits best.. If God will the guidance is so easy on every faculty of Quranic verses..***** Intent of research of scientist or professional and intent of exploring of believer is entirely different... Former is to convince their understanding or doubts but later is to confirm what is written in Quran.. *****
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But why I said we have to be much vigilant, coz we should not make anyone our scholar when it comes to Quran.. How one make another a scholar? Scholar says something and the one who questioned accepts and follows.. God says to explore Quran and keep locking our heart won't work out.. We can't restrict and lock ourselves to others understanding... But we should keep exploring..
Oh, we covered it previously here. No worries, we all agree that only God is the scholar of Quran. You do bring up an interesting point I didn't talk about. When the God fearing scholars and professionals of other fields we have here are not given a chance to speak about the verses many young ones among us have no chance but to look for info online and fall prey to orthodox priest like scientists who really make it look like their knowledge is as is and there is nothing more to explore. We do have a very sweet brother here who has written me countless pms to refute them. I can't always help because the experiment results I receive no more allow me to see the world as it is. Quran makes Quantum physics easy but then again I am not a scholar from that field. Someone else with knowledge needs to jump in. The brother has told me he sometimes feels like going for atheism because the mainstream scam scientists play with his mind.
But Sister Reel.. Professional's statement and what God has stated shouldn't contradict.. Here comes the controversial point.. Coz professional's statements are much more accepted and worldwide renowned and commended.. So normal people talking against them is considered much fragile.. Coz they would ask what is your qualification in this field to voice against a professional.. Of course fair enough..
But We may have understood Quran better than the professional of certain field but we may not tally with professional ..
Subsequently either we have to leave professional or accept Quran or vice versa..
Best example about Evolution... Professional are of the view it is evolution and not creation... Professional giving that statement of evolution with much research and experiment perhaps.. But God's verses are just verses..Quran actually does support evolution. Ancient tafseers show that and also the Muslim scholars contributed a lot to the theory http//pu.edu.pk/images/journal/uoc/PDF-FILES/%2811%29%20Dr.%20Sultan%20Shah_86_2.pdf
There is just soo much hidden within Quran. Recall that the verses on biology. They gained attention only after two nonmuslim people from medicine explained what they were all about.
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I was hesitant to reply this thread at first because I don't see any chance of Experimenting and Professional research happening, even if we all agree. So, what's the point? It's akin to putting the cart before the horse.
Professional research and experiments only comes when you have an organized community with leaders. And Qur'anists are unorganized. Any proposal to organize Qur'anists is quickly deemed sectarian and divisive by individual Qur'anists.
It is when you have an organized community that you could form an institution to handle these things. So, if you don't trust NASA, you either have to blindly accept the geography, astronomy and cosmology ideas in the Qur'an, or you go conduct your own individual experiments.
That said, how do you even verify Qur'anic theories when there is no consensus on translation or interpretation? Does the Qur'an refer to a flat earth or round earth? Evolution or Creation? Muslims are divided on subjects as this.
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I was hesitant to reply this thread at first because I don't see any chance of Experimenting and Professional research happening, even if we all agree. So, what's the point? It's akin to putting the cart before the horse.
Professional research and experiments only comes when you have an organized community with leaders. And Qur'anists are unorganized. Any proposal to organize Qur'anists is quickly deemed sectarian and divisive by individual Qur'anists.
I am talking about privately experimenting.
That said, how do you even verify Qur'anic theories when there is no consensus on translation or interpretation? Does the Qur'an refer to a flat earth or round earth? Evolution or Creation? Muslims are divided on subjects as this.
I did a few and got dumbfounded by the results. A little bit of search made me realize a lot of them are already known by sufis and Asians who experiment with buddhist concepts. Then there is the Quantum physics. In short, God does show consistency in results. Looks like we are in a better position compared to Asians. They don't have a book to give them step by step instruction.
I don't think we will go anywhere by sticking to textual analysis esp when sunni mullahs confess to removing some word meanings from the dictionaries. Quranic culture seems to be extremely different compared to the one generally accepted by the world.
Also through experiments, I have finally realized some verses that we all think are interpreted correctly in reality are incorrect. In a way, that's a good news.
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i wouldn't mind it, since professionals can be responsible about their own truth and not denying it with their own desire. not like fanatic neo-darwinism or fanatic creationism who still deny their own weakness and close the door to the knowledge about god creations. i do really hope this community have good linguistic researcher like brother joseph from quran centric. His view on paradise blew my mind that it's impossible that the purpose of paradise are 72 virgins. For evolution i'll stick to Intelligence design because its counter argument to random chance of mutation.
quran centric https//www.youtube.com/channel/UCMI9ztQ07hS1MlmjQ9KS0uQ/featured