The moon was split
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You are so funny.. GPS=GLOBAL Positioning system.. Well, do I use GPS? Yes.. it helps modern life, isn’t it? So, you want me to believe the Earth is a ball or spherical or a globe, as they have used Global? Just because they use ‘G’, it doesn’t become Global.. Same as they would say, Global warming, Global crisis etc.. Who cares? I watched a myriad of videos on GPS, and when its birth took place and its latest developments etc.. Earth doesn’t need to be a ball shape for it to work.. That’s how we have been educated.. Just cus they wear a Cross, it doesn’t mean Jesus was crucified on it.. That’s how wrongly educated.. Indeed, they are uneducated (and not uneducated), cus the truth is not taught to them..
We may be using many gadgets that were invented by many atheists, and it doesn’t mean we have to align with their faith.. There is a part to play here, though it is called science and that is ‘faith’.. Science is not based on faith. Mind that.. Did you notice in the video that all three scientists were atheists when they were asked whether there is a higher power behind all these, and they said No.. That’s the outcome of believing in evolution and a Godless, creationless universe concept. Why believe in the Divine while the concept of science on universe formation and its living beings are against it..
If the shape of the universe is what science states, trust me I will never believe in the Divine like the scientists do. Because it won’t make any sense to believe in the Divine while everything began on its own and then evolved with time into its own design.. Why do you need a God for this? That’s why 99% of such scientists don’t go for the option of God in their lives.. That’s fair enough.. Because it doesn’t make sense to believe in God while their core belief is that everything began on its own.. That’s the ultimate take of science when it comes to the formation of the Universe. Then you may say, religious people believe in the Divine, while they still believe what science says about the shape of universe.. That’s their prejudice towards science, while they still want to hold their faith to maintain their religious faith.. The very people who taught you the shape of the universe don’t believe in the Divine, because they are confident that with the formation of the Universe, there cannot be a Divine behind it.. They are right on their stance..
But if we take, we are living in a closed chamber, there is no way one can deny that there is super superpower behind it.. How come one denies the Divine in that case? Because we are trapped inside.. That’s what we call the Divine behind it.. No need the Divine for the design of what science presents i.e. the universe..Let me be simple.. Science is very clear, and it is real as well when they explain the realities. For example.. They explain to us how lightning forms first, and then thunder follows it.. I have no objections, and that’s how it works.. And they claim, for this, there is no need for a God to create lightning, and that’s how they go far away from the Divine.. But the Divine states He is the one who creates the lightning and afflicts anyone He wills.. But for science, it is natural and its scientific procedure is elaborated. The Divine intervention is not required there.. Same every other topic, for instance, Earth plates movement and its root cause is explained, and the Divine intervention has nothing to do with Earthquakes. When you hide a seed inside the soil and how it start to grow, a scientific explanation is given on it, and it is acceptable and true. No argument about it.. So, scientists are left with a strong option of denying the Divine.. I don’t blame them.. The root cause which led to this decision is the shape of the Universe and its beginning.. Boy, that’s what they want to conceal.. If the scientists unanimously claimed that the shape of the universe is a closed chamber, the Earth being massive and all celestial bodies are minute and we are living in closed chamber, then the consequence of this in long run with erudite minds will be totally different, because it will lead students to reflect in the Divine or something outside of our dimension as superpower, cus we are in closed chamber.. With this concept of the universe presented to us, it won’t lead any students to think of the Divine behind it; rather, they would just learn science and what the universe is all about.. That’s it.. Thus, there will be no ‘Turning point’ for any students while learning the shape of the Universe to think of the Divine behind it..
Below is the simple accepted science..
The prevailing scientific theory, the Big Bang theory, suggests the universe was not created from nothing, but rather, it originated from an extremely hot and dense state about 13.8 billion years ago. This initial state, known as a singularity, contained all the energy and matter that exists today. The universe then expanded and cooled, leading to the formation of the structures we observe today.You can’t go to infinity, but you need to start at the very beginning of research. Unfortunately, that beginning was NOT CREATED, according to unanimous science. This leads scientists to be satisfied with the laws of physics for everything that has evolved, without involving the Divine. If the very beginning is considered CREATED instead, then it changes dramatically. However, the very beginning is not CREATED, and the shape of the universe presented is also contrary to reality, so truth seekers are limited to what scientists state unless they rebel.
Faith or belief is not science.. They landed on the Moon is just a belief for the general people. There is no scientific evidence for this.. -
Buddy If you find my reply funny, I will take it as a sign the discussion is lively. I am also curious to hear if others share your static Earth view though I strongly suspect most here accept that our planet is in motion.
Jkhan, Quran does not say the Earth is fixed it describes all celestial bodies moving in their orbits. Its purpose is to guide to the Creator, not to freeze our understanding at the level of any past century. Scholars of the past reached their conclusions with the knowledge of their time; they were humans.
If you claim to seek truth, verified observations cannot be dismissed simply because some scientists are atheists. Truth does not become false because of who discovers it. God gave humans the intellect to observe and measure His creation. That is why we see time zones change with Earth’s rotation, why the stars shift in the sky differently from one hemisphere to another, and why airline flight paths only make sense on a globe. None of this comes from one country multiple independent observations match the same reality.
When separate lines of evidence all point to the same thing, ignoring it while waiting for future proof is not seeking truth it is avoiding it. Recognizing that the Earth rotates does not remove God from the picture; it simply acknowledges a reality of His design.
Scripture often uses language from a human point of view (spread out, laid down) the same way we say sunrise today, even though we know the Sun is not moving around us. Quran point was never to give us an astronomy textbook, but theres no contradiction with what we know from observation.
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ٱقْتَـرَبَتِ ٱلسَّاعَةُ وَٱنشَقَّ ٱلْقَمَرُ ١
The Appointed Moment has become nearing accomplished —And the Moon has become in cratered state.First Frame of this Sura/Chapter containing Ayahs 1-8 is an example of superb use of literary technique termed Juxtaposition in which two or more ideas, places, characters, phenomena, and their actions are placed side by side in a narrative, for the purpose of developing comparisons and contrasts. It is employed in order to surprise the readers and evoke their interest, by means of developing a comparison between two dissimilar things by placing them side by side. The comparison drawn adds vividness to a given image, controls the pacing of the narrative.
Ayah 1-3 of Frame begins with gradable proximity of a figure - the Appointed Moment ٱلسَّاعَةُ. She is the Subject of preceding feminine perfect Form-VIII verb, stemming from Root ق ر ب. This Subject is a figure that is closely guarded and we do not have any specific information frame by which we could image its location in timeline. The verb is result verb which also describe events that take time but these events have an inherent temporal endpoint the time when the result state comes about. The duration of the event up to the endpoint is taken up by the process that leads up to this result state, though it is left unspecified by the verb; it is this process that a means/manner verb names. Such events are known as ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
The second sentence of the Ayah, like the first, is declarative and cautionary in intent, as if the proximity of preceding fact is being compared to a ground reality. The verbal sentence comprises of third person masculine perfect verb, Form-VII ٱنشَقَّ followed by its Subject the Moon. Form-VII is always intransitive. It has self reflexive meaning and has effective connotation, a state produced in the subject. The verb stems from Root ش ق ق that leads to the perception of rift, cleave, fissure, chasm, breakdown happening in a thing. Thus, the sentence gives an impression that the Moon has become in the state signified by the Root. The information reveals that the Moon was originally not in this state and it is a later phenomenon.
The information contained in the sentence has now visually been shown to us (as promised 4153) and is perceptible for us after the invention of telescope and Hubble by seeing the surface of Moon having become cratered.
In the following Ayahs the attitude and response of non-believers is mentioned who are adamant and keep purposely following myths and conjectures. They refrain paying attention and reflecting on purpose of such type of cautioning information and without having given a thought contradict it as illusory falsity, thus subtly attributing to the Narrator of information about the state of Moon is just his illusory vision and that it is false. It is, thereby, clarified in the concluding remarks on this subject that
وَكُلُّ أَمْرٛ مُّسْتَقِـرّٚ ٣
Take note, every affair-matter is unshakable and dormant for an earmarked moment-location (when it will become active, read with 667).It is a simple declarative nominal sentence. The first noun of Possessive Phrase كُلُّ أَمْرٛ is the Subject meaning each of all matters/affairs - already determined. Its Predicate is مُّسْتَقِـرّٚ Active Participle Indefinite; masculine; singular; nominative ; مصدر-اَسْتَقْرار Verbal noun. It denotes an entity which is coolly settled resting at a place-timeline. Thus this sentence reveals that not only every determined affair is unshakable it is dormant till the appointed moment when it will become active and manifested.
This information that the Appointed Moment is all the time attaining proximity to become manifest is also earlier mentioned along with similar comment about the response attitude of non-believers
ٱقْتَـرَبَ لِلنَّاسِ حِسَابُـهُـمْ وَهُـمْ فِـى غَفْلَةٛ مُّعْـرِضُونَ ١
The subjection to their accountability has come nearer in time for the people. Despite its nearing, they are deliberately overlooking - disregarding it preferring to remain in state of neglectfulness.
مَا يَأْتِيـهِـم مِّن ذِكْرٛ مِّن رَّبِّـهِـم مُّحْدَثٍٛ إِلَّا ٱسْتَمَعُوهُ وَهُـمْ يَلْعَبُونَ ٢لَاهِيَةٙ قُلُوبُـهُـمْۖ
They do not listen except hearing in a playful mood whatever warning - information comes to their notice anew quoted from the Memoir- Admonishment (Qur’ān) received from their Sustainer Lord. Their hearts are distracted and preoccupied in other trifle matters and thoughts.The irrational response of the non-believers to the information and implicit warning is not necessarily because of lack of understanding it in the absence of experience and cognitive frames. It is not because of Plato's problem. "Plato's problem is the term given by Noam Chomsky to the gap between knowledge and experience. It presents the question of how we account for our knowledge when environmental conditions seem to be an insufficient source of information. It is used in linguistics to refer to the "argument from poverty of the stimulus" . In a more general sense, Plato's Problem refers to the problem of explaining a "lack of input". Solving Plato's Problem involves explaining the gap between what one knows and the apparent lack of substantive input from experience (the environment)."
It is immediately clarified by mentioning that concrete historical instances have already been quoted to them but such explicit warnings are also of no avail to them, whereby, it is evident that problem with them is not of understanding. Thereby, no further effort is needed to persuade them to become alive to inevitable upshot.
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Dear Mazhar,
I wanted to make sure I have understood your take on this, so I am putting it here for you to confirm or correct.
From what I gather, you are saying the moon never literally split into two in the Prophet time. Instead, it has been going through a slow process of surface change sort of rifts, craters, and other marks which we can now see clearly with telescopes. This ongoing change is a sign that the Hour is drawing nearer, and at the appointed moment it may completely break apart.
Where I am a bit stuck is with verses 2 and 3. If the change in the moon is only visible with modern instruments, how should we understand the reaction described there where people calling it magic or rejecting it when the verse was first revealed? At that time, Muslims and others would naturally read it through their own context, as reflected in early Hadith and Tafsir. That makes sense historically.
But looking at the structure of the passage, verse 1 is immediately followed by verses 2 and 3, almost as if the rejection is tied directly to the sign just mentioned. In your reading, should this rejection be seen as generic human denial of divine warnings or as something specifically linked to the moon’s condition?
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Dear Mazhar,
I wanted to make sure I have understood your take on this, so I am putting it here for you to confirm or correct.
From what I gather, you are saying the moon never literally split into two in the Prophet time. Instead, it has been going through a slow process of surface change sort of rifts, craters, and other marks which we can now see clearly with telescopes. This ongoing change is a sign that the Hour is drawing nearer, and at the appointed moment it may completely break apart.
Where I am a bit stuck is with verses 2 and 3. If the change in the moon is only visible with modern instruments, how should we understand the reaction described there where people calling it magic or rejecting it when the verse was first revealed? At that time, Muslims and others would naturally read it through their own context, as reflected in early Hadith and Tafsir. That makes sense historically.
But looking at the structure of the passage, verse 1 is immediately followed by verses 2 and 3, almost as if the rejection is tied directly to the sign just mentioned. In your reading, should this rejection be seen as generic human denial of divine warnings or as something specifically linked to the moon’s condition?
Quite close.
(From what I gather, you are saying the moon never literally split into two in the Prophet time. Instead, it has been going through a slow process of surface change sort of rifts, craters, and other marks which we can now see clearly with telescopes. This ongoing change is a sign that the Hour is drawing nearer, and at the appointed moment it may completely break apart.)No the text calls it an occurrence that has since happened.
First sentence is about the ever near approaching moment of the Last Day.
The methodology of reading Qur'an is that we should first travel in time to the days of revelation, as you rightly pointed, as to what was perceived or taken by the first listeners or readers from the surface structure of discourse.
And the Discourse must be read by coherent paragraphs. The Topic sentence is the Last Moment. Rest coheres with and explains it.
The Paragraph is Declarative–Warning Discourse with strong Eschatological–Admonitory orientation.
ٱقْتَـرَبَتِ ٱلسَّاعَةُ وَٱنشَقَّ ٱلْقَمَرُ ١
وَإِن يَرَوْا۟ ءَايَةٙ يُعْـرِضُوا۟ وَيَقُولُوا۟ سِحْرٚ مُّسْتَمِرّٚ ٢
وَكَذَّبُوا۟ وَٱتَّبَعُوٓا۟ أَهْوَآءَهُـمْۚ
وَكُلُّ أَمْرٛ مُّسْتَقِـرّٚ ٣
وَلَقَدْ جَآءَهُـم مِّنَ ٱلْأَنۢبَآءِ مَا فِيهِ مُزْدَجَرٌ ٤
حِكْمَةٌۢ بَٟلِغَةٌۭۖ فَمَا تُغْنِ ٱلنُّذُرُ٥
فَتَوَلَّ عَنْـهُـمْۘ يَوْمَ يَدْعُ ٱلدَّاعِ إِلَـىٰ شَـىْءٛ نُّكُرٍٛ ٦
خُشَّعًا أَبْصَٟرُهُـمْ يَخْرُجُونَ مِنَ ٱلْأَجْدَاثِ كَأَنَّـهُـمْ جَرَادٚ مُّنتَشِـرٚ ٧
مُّهْطِعِيـنَ إِلَى ٱلدَّاعِۖ يَقُولُ ٱلْـكَـٟفِـرُونَ هَـٰذَا يَوْمٌ عَسِـرٚ ٨
The Appointed Moment has become nearing accomplished —And the Moon has become in cratered state.
And if they (elite-chieftains) would see an Ayah verbal passage of Qur’ān mirroring information, about the Last Day and Appointed Moment they people would knowingly refrain —And they would say, "It is a self persisting illusory falsity."
And they have publicly contradicted it (Qur’ān) and have purposely followed their conjectures and unsubstantiated, non verifiable myths, and desires.
Take note, every affair-matter is unshakable and dormant for an earmarked moment-location (when it will become active, read with 667).
While that has already come to them, relating a segment of the instances of the past history — which has restraining punchy lesson contained therein to become heedful —
Those instances are the provider of eloquent and easy to comprehend wisdom, sapience, sagacity —Yet for reason of adamant attitude the warnings will not be of avail.
Since you have already afforded them much time, therefore, you the Messenger turn away-become indifferent from them —For the Day when the Summoner-Second blow in the trumpet will call them towards an unpleasant thing —
Their visions will be in dazed/downcast state while they will be coming out of the graves like as if they were an expanding swarm of locusts —
They will be hastening in race to confront, in fear and submission and docility towards the Inviter (the exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam) — The Non-Believers saying, "This is a difficult day."Further following Speech Act Theory we need to try understanding the intended affect.
For Rejecters — To shock and unsettle, showing that their current derision will flip into abject fear; to erode their sense of invulnerability.
For Believers — To strengthen conviction, showing that their opponents’ arrogance is short-lived and the promised Day is inevitable.
For Future Generations — To embed a visual and emotional blueprint of the Hereafter in the imagination—so vivid that it overrides the present world’s distractions.
The Frame intends to provoke repentance before the irreversible moment arrives, using urgency, inevitability and vivid fate imagery.
I mentioned Plato's Problem. We see this firstly in Ayah where there are contrasting response.
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦٓ أَن يَضْرِبَ مَثَلٙا مَّا بَعُوضَةٙ فَمَا فَوْقَهَاۚ
فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ فَيَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ ٱلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّـهِـمْۖ
وَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَـرُوا۟ فَيَقُولُونَ مَاذَآ أَرَادَ ٱللَّهُ بِـهَـٟذَا مَثَلٙاۘ
يُضِلُّ بِهِۦ كَثِيـرٙا وَيَـهْدِى بِهِۦ كَثِيـرٙاۚ
وَمَا يُضِلُّ بِهِۦٓ إِلَّا ٱلْفَٟسِقِيـنَ٢٦
Allah the Exalted certainly considers it not a matter of shyness-reluctance-embarrassment striking an example of that which is generally referred as female mosquito —thereby highlighting that still smaller in size which exists above her—(phoretic species).
Thereat, as for those who have heartily believed in the Messenger and Qur’ān, since they are conscious and unbiased, thereby, they understand that it is factually appropriate principle disclosed and communicated by their Sustainer Lord for striking a simile.
However, as for those are concerned who have denied to accept the Messenger, they in response question others, saying; "What is that which Allah has intended by this disclosure-similitude?"
He the Exalted by it exposes quite many by letting them remain aberrant —
And He the Exalted guides with it quite many —
Realize it that except for those who are the Aberrant averse, dissolutely move out of the bounds and restraints, He the Exalted by it does not let anyone remain unmindful.Obviously they were not aware that it is only she-mosquito that concerns humans. They took it as a rule for quoting examples, nothing wrong if it is some thing very small or feminine to make point obvious. They believed it as statement of fact.
Others mocked.Further they may have perceived as linguistic point since Arabs without distinguishing gender of mosquito, used for both, a feminine noun بَعُوضَةٙ
(interesting info Genitals of male mosquito are like ours)
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Look, brothers and sisters.. We all agree undeniably that there is only one Truth and the truth remains truth...
Perhaps I might have shared these videos with you before in other topics, but please watch them with an open mind to understand what they are trying to state. It all started in the late 1950s, and including real scientists who are not paid puppets and many types of learned people always researched in a true sense..
The Moon has its own light, and it is charging like your battery is moving upward while charging, and when fully charged, again going down.. Because it is plasma.. That is how it was created by the Divine..
I know it is hard to believe, but you all not ready to be on your own feet and research.. As in a couple of the videos stated, if the truth of the Moon is exposed, then everything collapses.. So, it's worth hiding.. Well said, all of them..
Just watch all three videos as a truth seeker.. Don't watch as if you know the truth.. Would you?
Quran is clear .. Al Quran has never mentioned that the Moon has reflected light, but in one word it is light and the same root is used throughout Quran ... nothing resembles reflected light.. There is big difference between REFLECTED Light and Light itself.. because reflected light is not light at all.. I know most will never agree until they die.. But, unfortunately, they will die with falsehood.. That's their destiny.. don't make your destiny if you are one of the truth seekers.. is there anyone..?
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Brother Jkhan, before even getting into the YouTube videos you have shared I want to address one part of your wording. You wrote
…I know most will never agree until they die. But, unfortunately, they will die with falsehood.. That's their destiny.. don't make your destiny if you are one of the truth seekers.. is there anyone..?
This comes across as if believing one view over another on the moon’s light determines whether someone dies with falsehood. The Quran doesnot frame it like that. People in different centuries, with different levels of knowledge, may have understood this verse differently some as direct light, some as reflected light depending on what was known to them. God will judge each person by sincerity and truthfulness, not by whether they matched your personal understanding of this detail.
I have mentioned this to you before when we frame our own interpretation as a decisive test for others salvation, we risk stepping into a role only God has.
That said, I am open to hearing the points in your videos, and I am willing to consider the evidence you feel supports your view. But this should be a discussion on interpretation, not a verdict on someone’s destiny.
I will watch your shared links now.
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First video8 mins Titled The Sun and Moon are PLASMA - Flat Earth
The narrator claim is that the moon is not solid and does not reflect sunlight. Instead it is made of plasma which we all know a charged glowing gas and its light and phases are from charging and discharging under the Suns electromagnetic effect. Lunar eclipses are said to be electrical resets and not caused by the Earths shadow. The video also rejects the heliocentric model entirely and says there are no planets, only an enclosed Earth.
What my understanding from it is
- Moon is not sold but plasma and hence can not reflect light
- Its plasma is charged by Sun's electromagnetic energy
- Moon phases which we all know and mentioned in Quran are in actual fact a result of charging/discharging cycles and NOT sunlight/earth shadow geometry so as the lunar eclipse
- Says there is no outer space or universe, no planets, earth is enclosed like a container.
Second Video~15 mins titled Moon Mysteries Plasma Theory Unveiled
The idea is further expanded with more details about the moons strange properties like unusual reflections, moonquakes, and size compared to Earth. It suggests these are signs of plasma, not rock. It brings up claims about waves or distortions on the moons surface transient light flashes and hints that space agencies are hiding the truth to protect their authority.To summarize the video from my understanding
- Moon is not solid; it is a giant plasma sphere.
- Unusual reflections unlike solid surfaces.
- Moonquakes unlike tectonic earthquakes.
- Waves or distortions seen across surface, like a plasma TV screen
- Suggests NASA is hiding the truth to maintain authority and protect scientific status quo.
- If Moon is plasma, current spacecraft could not land on it.
3rd Video is a short one. An old 1965 interview with a scientist who thought the moon was plasma and claimed no human would ever land on it (which history later disproved and Apollo missions and China, India all landed/operated on the moon and collected soils).
All what the videos claims essentially
Rejects all space agency data not just NASA but also from countries like China, India, Japan, and the European Space Agency, all of whom have independently reached and studied the moon.
It also implies that decades of physical evidence such as moon rocks in multiple labs satellite mapping, and lunar surface experiments are fabricated or false.In the end I would say that all of this is not a matter that needs to be tied to salvation or disbelief. Science evolves and it would not change a persons standing before God because the Quran guides us about moral and spiritual truth, not about binding us to a specific astrophysical model. We can debate and test scientific claims but that is separate from judging someones faith.
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ٱقْتَـرَبَتِ ٱلسَّاعَةُ وَٱنشَقَّ ٱلْقَمَرُ ١
The Appointed Moment has become nearing accomplished —And the Moon has become in cratered state.It is good to see that you have moved away from traditional translation, at least to say ‘craters’... But this is one of the outcomes and not what the verse directly states. I don’t know if you believe that the Moon is solid rock like Earth's materials. Keep in mind, there is nothing solid in the sky, and the Divine created the entire sky through gas/smoke. The Earth is the only solid body. Up to you. Having said that, I want to share my view with everyone, but it’s okay if you take it with a grain of salt.
The reality of the verse is, If you can read my take in my previous threads on a few topics.. It is about pressurizing.. The moon is pressurized in 541, and that’s the root here, and the outcome could be many if real scientists research it, they would find out, but not those who hide the truth.. The Divine made the Moon pressurize, and the possible consequences of this are that the Moon appeared in a different shape from its usual appearance.. That’s why we see craters; it must have been pure Moon without blemishes. Second point, the Moon stopped rotating like the Sun rotates itself.. The moon is just holding its path and moving, but not rotating anymore. They call it tidally interlocked.. Well, nothing like that, but the Moon is not rotating, ever since this amazing event took place i.e. pressurizing 541..Let’s come to the reality. Look, people, just observe the Moon during the Waxing crescent and Waning crescent stages.. During waxing crescent stages, you will always see the entire moon circle plus the Moon’s inner visibility, though the crescent is only brightly lit.. This is because Waxing is the Charging time.. So, it shows its full shape, Moon, depending on waxing stages… You see your battery is charging and it goes up to 100% and come down to its reality stage..
Meanwhile, during the Waning stage crescent moon never shows the outer circle of the Moon nor the inner appearance of the entire Moon, but only shows the crescent Moon, which is lit.. This is because, waning period is losing its charge to become zero charged until it reaches to gets charged again.. You see, your battery is not in charge mode, it never shows its charging effects..
If scientific explanation is correct, we should see only one thing, not two different scenarios as above, because as per them the Sun causes Moon phases.. never.. explore people..
The Divine is perfect to state, we have assigned the Moon phases and not for the Earth or any other celestial body.. Only the Moon has this phenomenon. -
It is good to see that you have moved away from traditional translation, at least to say ‘craters’... But this is one of the outcomes and not what the verse directly states. I don’t know if you believe that the Moon is solid rock like Earth's materials. Keep in mind, there is nothing solid in the sky, and the Divine created the entire sky through gas/smoke. The Earth is the only solid body. Up to you. Having said that, I want to share my view with everyone, but it’s okay if you take it with a grain of salt.
The reality of the verse is, If you can read my take in my previous threads on a few topics.. It is about pressurizing.. The moon is pressurized in 541, and that’s the root here, and the outcome could be many if real scientists research it, they would find out, but not those who hide the truth.. The Divine made the Moon pressurize, and the possible consequences of this are that the Moon appeared in a different shape from its usual appearance.. That’s why we see craters; it must have been pure Moon without blemishes. Second point, the Moon stopped rotating like the Sun rotates itself.. The moon is just holding its path and moving, but not rotating anymore. They call it tidally interlocked.. Well, nothing like that, but the Moon is not rotating, ever since this amazing event took place i.e. pressurizing 541..Let’s come to the reality. Look, people, just observe the Moon during the Waxing crescent and Waning crescent stages.. During waxing crescent stages, you will always see the entire moon circle plus the Moon’s inner visibility, though the crescent is only brightly lit.. This is because Waxing is the Charging time.. So, it shows its full shape, Moon, depending on waxing stages… You see your battery is charging and it goes up to 100% and come down to its reality stage..
Meanwhile, during the Waning stage crescent moon never shows the outer circle of the Moon nor the inner appearance of the entire Moon, but only shows the crescent Moon, which is lit.. This is because, waning period is losing its charge to become zero charged until it reaches to gets charged again.. You see, your battery is not in charge mode, it never shows its charging effects..
If scientific explanation is correct, we should see only one thing, not two different scenarios as above, because as per them the Sun causes Moon phases.. never.. explore people..
The Divine is perfect to state, we have assigned the Moon phases and not for the Earth or any other celestial body.. Only the Moon has this phenomenon.Dear jkhan I quoted above to GPT with this question
Someone said this. Does he need to be asked to consult psychiatrist?
GPT answered
From the way this person is reasoning, it’s not necessarily a sign that they must see a psychiatrist — they’re not necessarily exhibiting symptoms of a psychiatric disorder just from this statement alone.
What’s happening here seems more like
Mixing personal interpretations of Qur’anic verses with scientific-sounding claims that contradict established astronomy.
Misunderstanding basic astronomy (e.g., "nothing solid in the sky" or "moon stopped rotating", which shows confusion about physics, not necessarily a mental health issue.
Strong conviction in a private theory — which could be harmless eccentricity unless it significantly affects their functioning or relationships.
A psychiatric referral is usually considered when
The person’s beliefs cause serious distress to themselves or others.
They are unable to distinguish between personal speculation and verifiable reality in a way that disrupts their daily life.
There are additional symptoms (paranoia, extreme disorganization, detachment from reality, harmful impulses, etc.).
Here, I’d say it’s more a case of scientific illiteracy + overconfident interpretation rather than a mental health crisis — unless you have other evidence about their behaviour that suggests otherwise.
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Messengers were mocked and called them madman and what else they called them is mystery and the Divine only knows.. (A madman requires a psychiatrist, right.. Messengers did not mind it). Because they had the truth and they didn’t like it.. So, If messengers could face all those, I can too, cus my mission is to spread the truth of the Divine in whatever way I understand …
Meanwhile, CHatgpt never insults anyone.. it is the person who wrote this message wants to insult so he indirectly commit it putting the blame to Cgpt.. Fine no issue.. Anyone can verify.. insert whatever I wrote to chatgpt and verify whether it insults or it corrects or advise using what science already states? Up to you if you want to, so you can verify that this man is lying....
Instead of bringing answers that the Moon is indeed rotating and he has proof of it with his observations or with any evidence that he can incorporate to convince others, he opted this mean answer which has no worth for the topic. No, issues.. for him his path..
I don’t blame this person, cus it happens with certain people when they are lost and cannot reply with constructive answer.
Of course, the moon is not rotating and that’s what I see even with my naked eyes and with all possible latest technologies used to focus on it (that I have witnessed).. I don’t see it is rotating.. I am not going to believe theory of ‘tidally locked’.. fine believe it, it’s your choice and not mine with reason.. To have tidally locked, it means Earth is spinning.. You people know that’s not my take right..
If feel confident with such weak answers and enhance my stamina to seek more.. Bring something that would possibly enlighten me and open my eyes in case i am misguided so that it could guide me, and not something that has no worth either for me or for readers..
I love challenges and challenging questions so I could improve my stance.. This won't help..https//youtu.be/5a51nI4AYLs?si=VP6Npu8n1FcLkHDj
The lost ones can watch this video and ask questions to themselves rather than just blindly believe as the tidally locked human race..
additional point let me add..
Out of curiosity, I asked ChatGPT, referring to the hadith of Bukhari. Yes, about splitting the moon into two pieces and one piece fell behind the mountain bla bla and then miraculously both pieces were sent to the sky and stitched together.. Still, ChatGPT did not insult or joke.. It said, Romans, Greeks, Chinese, etc have never documented of such.. lol.. and further within accepted norms of science, it said, Moon is so big and it cannot fall behind a mountain, and that must be a legend or some invented stuff..
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Not insult. But worry and sympathy. Before things worsen.
Allah knows what was in your thought when you wrote it.. no worries.. Remember with sympathy and emotions, you can't teach anyone or guide anyone.. Just speak the truth, if you feel it is truth and if you are convinced on it.. let the other party bring evidence against you..
so, simple..
Anyway you presented something needless in you previous thread, and now with simple line you are saying that makes no sense.. Just bring evidence to claim that the Moon is rotating.. is it all theory? Then don't teach me, cus I have learned what you have learned..
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Allah knows what was in your thought when you wrote it.. no worries.. Remember with sympathy and emotions, you can't teach anyone or guide anyone.. Just speak the truth, if you feel it is truth and if you are convinced on it.. let the other party bring evidence against you..
so, simple..
Anyway you presented something needless in you previous thread, and now with simple line you are saying that makes no sense.. Just bring evidence to claim that the Moon is rotating.. is it all theory? Then don't teach me, cus I have learned what you have learned..
You say Moon is not in motion? Do you have any evidence? Certainly not; except hallucination.
The Book says
وَهُوَ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ ٱلَّيْلَ وَٱلنَّـهَارَ وَٱلشَّمْسَ وَٱلْقَمَـرَۖ كُلّٚ فِـى فَلَكٛ يَسْبَحُونَ ٣٣
Realize it, He the Exalted is the Only Who has created the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon —Each one of them is in the state of swimming in a curved - girl's breast-shaped course - orbit.Essential and Inalienable Semantic Features in All Derivatives
Regardless of verbal form, context, or usage, the following core semantic features are preserved across all derivations of the root س ب ح
Purposeful Motion
Always implies movement with direction—never idle or random.
Continuity and Flow
The action is not abrupt or isolated; it is sustained and progressive.
Orientation Toward Higher/Transcendent Goal
Whether physical or spiritual, the movement is upward, forward, or toward perfection.
Striving with Awareness
Requires willful participation, mindfulness, and effort.
Elevation or Exaltation
It lifts the subject from a lower to a higher state—morally, spiritually, or physically.
Harmony with a System
It aligns with natural, divine, or cosmic order; never chaotic or rebellious.
Glorification through Action
Not mere verbal praise, but an existential state of submission and glorifying through being.
Centring on the Divine (in Qur’ān context)
In Qur'anic usage, the root always anchors back to Allah as the ultimate recipient of tasbeeh.
https//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(630).htm -
You say Moon is not in motion? Do you have any evidence? Certainly not; except hallucination.
The Book says
وَهُوَ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ ٱلَّيْلَ وَٱلنَّـهَارَ وَٱلشَّمْسَ وَٱلْقَمَـرَۖ كُلّٚ فِـى فَلَكٛ يَسْبَحُونَ ٣٣
Realize it, He the Exalted is the Only Who has created the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon —Each one of them is in the state of swimming in a curved - girl's breast-shaped course - orbit.Essential and Inalienable Semantic Features in All Derivatives
Regardless of verbal form, context, or usage, the following core semantic features are preserved across all derivations of the root س ب ح
Purposeful Motion
Always implies movement with direction—never idle or random.
Continuity and Flow
The action is not abrupt or isolated; it is sustained and progressive.
Orientation Toward Higher/Transcendent Goal
Whether physical or spiritual, the movement is upward, forward, or toward perfection.
Striving with Awareness
Requires willful participation, mindfulness, and effort.
Elevation or Exaltation
It lifts the subject from a lower to a higher state—morally, spiritually, or physically.
Harmony with a System
It aligns with natural, divine, or cosmic order; never chaotic or rebellious.
Glorification through Action
Not mere verbal praise, but an existential state of submission and glorifying through being.
Centring on the Divine (in Qur’ān context)
In Qur'anic usage, the root always anchors back to Allah as the ultimate recipient of tasbeeh.
https//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(630).htmread well the replies of people or else don't reply..
Did I say MOTION? don't you know the difference between ROTATION and MOTION? I think you have reached very old age and not able to develop further.. And that's my assumption by reading this reply.. If you intentionally replied in this manner, then don't waste my time.
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Hi Everyone..
Time is precious and not meant for wasting it..
Anyone who is truth seeker, just seek it .. If you have time watch this video.. don't trust but ask questions to yourselves...https//youtu.be/WXmoMzmNOfQ?si=ItXaOVQdKbVSgWxr
Remember.. Truth is not something, Pls 'Tell me the truth'.. Truth is not on the surface.. work hard and figure out.. even if I or anyone speak the truth, it is in your hand to work as much as one worked hard to figure that out, cus you can't just believe, but you need to feel it with yourself and that's possible only if you are working hard to unearth truth even with absolute truth in your hand.. Then no u turn..
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breakdown
Motion (also called translational motion) refers to the general movement of an object from one location to another. It can be along a straight line or a curved path. Examples include a car driving down a road or a ball thrown through the air.Rotation, on the other hand, is a specific type of motion where an object spins around an internal axis. It's like a spinning top or a ceiling fan. The object's center of mass doesn't change position, but its orientation does.
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We have already gone through three earlier videos where the same claims were made about the Earth being flat, not rotating, shadows, etc. This fourth one is not bringing anything essentially new. Its repeating the same narrative in a different louder package.
Jkhan, you are just going in circles instead of recycling the same claims, why not bring something genuinely new that can make us forward?
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Hi Everyone..
A bunch of imaginative theories cannot possibly replace the truth. Theories should be based on actual existence, unless one invented it. For example, If someone invented a car, let there be theories and let him invent it according to his theories.. That’s his science.. But, for something that already exists with perfect design, theory should tally to what already exists, cus he did not invent the existence to create theories as if he created/invented it. Needs to apply empirical evidence.... Unfortunately, globe heads failed on this.. They think theory is science regardless of what exists.. Copy and paste this to ChatGPT or DeepSeek, or any version..
Well, they are so clever to invent these theories, agreed.. cus their theories are sophisticated and possibly based on penetrating questions that erudite people would raise in the future, and who would stand against their theories.. They programmed their theories so that no one would think that it was a fabricated lie. Because they invented all the sophistries according to their invented universe model.. So, cleverly concealed the reality. But, the Divine will not keep the truth of design hidden.. The Divine is on a Mission and waits until the right time to approach. He is triggering the honest people around the world to enlighten the sleeping people in falsehood.. It’s on its way.. All you need to do is just wait..
In My Al Quranic Studies, I believe that the MOON is the number one sign for all these.. It is not just a useless or meaningless or unfathomable statement in chapter 541.. That’s the verse that will collapse everything .. All theories that are constituted intentionally against what the Divine has created (I don’t mean the scientists of the Greeks of the past, they did what they could, no harm, and some differ and brought geocentric and some heliocentric.. fine..).. ‘541 The Turning Point has neared as the Moon is pressurized.’ .. It has already happened, and it is continuously happening.. But, people in the past never paid attention and discarded it, and unfortunately, the people of the present time have been lied to, thus the truth of the Divine is concealed though its visible… But it is not the time to hide anymore.. It is at the simmering point now, very soon it will boil. Not far though, wait and watch eagerly.. How can ‘The Turning Point’ be so fragile? It is not fragile at all.. The biggest hoax that ever existed on this Earth is ‘The Moon Landing’. Make it or break it, that’s the biggest lie ever conspired and told to the human race, and misguided and made to believe overnight..
When people come to know in black and white the absolute truth of the Moon and it is not rocks and craters, then people will simply realize (regardless they openly accept or not), if these scientists concealed the closest possible celestial body (the Moon) to the Earth and its truth, how they would ever frame a universe with theory?
Falsehood of any nature has a plus point for those who are truth seekers, honestly.. I wonder why the Divine kept falsehood of any nature high above the truth and then gradually brought the truth to the surface.. And always kept the truth hidden.. as if the Divine commands, come on guys, wake up and explore it, come out of the trap, you are special people, don’t be like those who surrendered to the falsehood.. You have a mission to complete..
One would wonder, is this any spiritual guidance? If this is not spiritual guidance, the Divine doesn’t need to make a statement in 541.. 541 never made any sense to anyone who read it except those who realized it from the moment it was revealed, and up until now, and till the time of its transparency. There are no miracles that we are waiting for based on this verse, but it is the Turning point cus the Moon is the one they chose to hide the design of the Divine.. That made their job so facilitated..@ Fusion on your last post..
I am not here to soothe you.. You should know how to find the truth, and in case if you have already found the truth in global Earth and the massive universe (heliocentric), better if you verify it; perhaps you would find at least some questions. Cus you have a lot of questions in the Divine book, on top of that you have hadith books to support it, don't you..? So, How come you have ZERO questions in the heliocentric model that you proudly accepted and boasted to me in WhatsApp? Remember, long time though, Are you seeking the truth of the Static Earth while you have accepted something.. That approach will never help.. Truth can only be sought by disengaging from our grip.. One can never find the truth of the existence of the Divine while he is holding and accepting the grip that the Divine doesn't exist. That's my analogy.. One can incorporate facts while seeking truth, but one cannot seek truth while already having decided without doubt.. I can't make you forward.. What do you think of me.. Magician..? One can go forward on his own only.. He should know his mission..
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Jkhan truth is not found by endlessly doubting everything but by weighing evidence with an open mind and questions are healthy but refusing every answer only keeps you circling forever.
And am at a loss when you say truth must be found on our own yet you keep flooding us with videos and long posts. If that is the case, then let discussion stay two-way not one-way preaching. No offense please.
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You don't know what you are writing.. That's what happens if you rush..
It is one sided or two sided is your choice .. Why are you in this forum, is it cus everyone speaks the truth so you want to learn and go forward..?
Note well.. I have studied the Quran as much I could and still learning and even trying to translate it.. It's your duty to find the truth.. Don't you know the logic that 'how to find the truth" or would you beg "Tell me the truth" .. I have written whatever I have to.. Like anyone who has written articles theories etc. It's a debate.. . It is in individual's hand how to get rid of falsehood and know the truth from everything one hear and see in life.. Do you want to believe me or do you want to verify everyone's statement ..?
In that case how I be one sided? It is because you are in the opposite side of me.. Just cus you are opposite side of me, doesn't render me as one sided..
The Divine teaches us the best method to find the truth... Can you guessYes.. That's in 1736 .. For all these, truth seekers have to be honest.. Without Honesty truth cannot be sought.. You can access knowledge without honesty.. But not truth.. Cus self, the one who seek in the first place should not be biased.. Cus his mission is to seek the truth not knowledge per se.. So he knows he is not in falsehood...
