The moon was split
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Mazhar I have not read Sorensen Seeing Dark Things but from the title it seems to explore shadows in a philosophical way. That actually connects well to what the Quran itself asks us to do i.e. I quote "Have you not considered your Lord how He extends the shadow… then made the Sun its guide" (2545–46).
This is not just about casually looking but about using both reason and intuition. And if we really consider the shadow fully, we see two things
• it changes in length during the day,
• it also shifts east to west.
That daily pattern is only explained by Earths rotation. If someone notices only half of this sign then they have not really fulfilled what the verse commands i.e. to reflect completely on it.
Since you must have read it, appreciate your insights.
Many use philosophy and science interchangeably.
- (vi) Unique and amazing attribute of the Accomplisher of exalted Galaxy سِرَاجٙا مُّنِيـرٙا
(a) Shadow is per see created entity - fellow-being. Had he this fellow?
Allah the Exalted has attributed another unique attribute as Circumstantial Adverb in the address to the Dignified and Exalted Sincere Allegiant
وَسِرَاجٙا مُّنِيـرٙا .٤٦
And as a Figure of Unique Prominence characteristically Reflector of Visible Light illuminator and Sustainer of the Life.
The circumstantial adverb (حال) is an Adjectival Phrase comprising of a noun and active participle rendering it a descriptive term. It can be interpreted both literally and figuratively. It seems this attributive descriptive phrase in litereral meaning does support the reports that exalted Messenger did not cast a shadow. In physics, a Shadow is a dark area where light from a light source is blocked by an opaque object. It occupies all of the three-dimensional volume behind an object with light in front of it. It is however merely an explanation or cause for the observation of "shadow". What exactly is shadow? In fact it is per se an Entity created
وَلِلَّهِ يَسْجُدُ مَن فِـى ٱلسَّمَٟوَٟتِ وَٱلۡأَرْضِ طَوْعٙا وَكَرْهٙا
Be aware; whoever is living-exists in the Skies and the Earth submits humbly in surrender; and will acknowledge and submit humbly in surrender for Allah the Exalted; in states arising on wilful acceptance-acknowledgement with reverence, and will do so under compulsion of coercive circumstances.
وَظِلٟلُـهُـم بِٱلْغُدُوِّ وَٱلْءَاصَالِ۩ .١٥
However, their Shadows do prostrate - lie stretched out on the ground in reverence and submission for Allah the Exalted, at occasion of the mornings and the evenings.
One of the subject of indicative mood imperfect verb are the "shadows" of all those living - existing in the Skies and the Earth. Thus they are per se entities. Their performing the act of (يَسْجُدُ) lying stretched out on the ground with face downwards is restricted to two timings of the day. The tacit importance of this fact is emphasised by rhetorical questioning
أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا۟ إِلَـىٰ مَا خَلَقَ ٱللَّهُ مِن شَـىْءٛ
Have they not seen-given a thought towards that; which Allah the Exalted has created, in non-tangible to touch-state-entity in their own right derivatively from matter-a tangible thing?
يَتَفَيَّؤُا۟ ظِلَٟلُهُۥ عَنِ ٱلْيَـمِيـنِ وَٱلْشَّمَآئِلِ سُجَّدٙا لِّلَّهِ وَهُـمْ دَٟخِرُونَ .٤٨
The characteristic feature is that its shadows keep self shifting from the rights and the lefts in the state like of those who prostrate for Allah the Exalted. Those shadows are in a state of submissive and humble natured.
Rhetorical question is a device used to persuade and subtly influence the audience. It is a question not asked for the answer, but for the effect. It is used to emphasize a point or just to get the audience thinking. It is a very powerful persuasive and thought provoking tool. The question is about having seen the shadows, an everyday perceptual experience, receiving non-epistemic response, without noticing or recognizing their cause of existence and properties. Obviously people have been seeing the shadows of things but perhaps never thought they are but created entities of Allah the Exalted, made to originate form everything created. Exactly the manner of creation and rendition of woman as fellow-being from the First Person, the creation and rendition of fellow-being of creatures Shadow is mentioned
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https//haqeeqat.pk/TranslationCommunicationHistory.htm - (vi) Unique and amazing attribute of the Accomplisher of exalted Galaxy سِرَاجٙا مُّنِيـرٙا
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Salam Mazhar when I first read your reply I was a bit lost because our original discussionwas about whether the earth is flat and the idea that the moon is just plasma You then brought in Sorensens book and I thought maybe this had a link with the shadow arguments people use in that debate. But what you’ve written seems to go in a completely different direction.
If I understand you right... you saying shadows themselves are a kind of created entity???, and even connecting this to the Prophet not having a shadow. I have to be honest this doesnot really seem related to the subject we were discussing. Also, I dont see in the Quran any basis for saying shadows are independent creations or that the Prophet had no shadow.
From the name of the book The Philosophy of Shadows I imagine it is more about how people perceive or think about shadows not about shadows being separate beings. So maybe you are using the book as a way to highlight your own understanding of certain verses. Thats fine but it seems like a different discussion altogether. I will need to find time to read the book.
Maybe we can keep this thread focused on the flat earth / moon point and if needed start another thread later for the shadow interpretations.
Note About the verse2545
Some interpret this verse as referring to shadows others even as seasonal transitions. But we should be careful not to switch definitions to suit a model the verse itself is clear in speaking about the sun as a guide for the shadow. But to me that feels like moving too far from what the text and our daily observation are actually pointing at. -
Salam Mazhar when I first read your reply I was a bit lost because our original discussionwas about whether the earth is flat and the idea that the moon is just plasma You then brought in Sorensens book and I thought maybe this had a link with the shadow arguments people use in that debate. But what you’ve written seems to go in a completely different direction.
If I understand you right... you saying shadows themselves are a kind of created entity???, and even connecting this to the Prophet not having a shadow. I have to be honest this doesnot really seem related to the subject we were discussing. Also, I dont see in the Quran any basis for saying shadows are independent creations or that the Prophet had no shadow.
From the name of the book The Philosophy of Shadows I imagine it is more about how people perceive or think about shadows not about shadows being separate beings. So maybe you are using the book as a way to highlight your own understanding of certain verses. Thats fine but it seems like a different discussion altogether. I will need to find time to read the book.
Maybe we can keep this thread focused on the flat earth / moon point and if needed start another thread later for the shadow interpretations.
Note About the verse2545
Some interpret this verse as referring to shadows others even as seasonal transitions. But we should be careful not to switch definitions to suit a model the verse itself is clear in speaking about the sun as a guide for the shadow. But to me that feels like moving too far from what the text and our daily observation are actually pointing at.Salam.
Perhaps, it was with reference to your this post
//We have already gone through three earlier videos where the same claims were made about the Earth being flat, not rotating, shadows, etc.//It shows it as an entity
وَٱللَّهُ جَعَلَ لَـكُـم مِّمَّا خَلَقَ ظِلَٟلٙا
Realize it, Allah the Exalted has rendered out of what He has created as shadows for reflection by you people — -
Thanks Mazhar for your feedback.
When I read this verse 1681 I see it in the same flow as the rest of the passage Allah reminding us of His bounties. As
From what Allah has created He has provided shade for you(from things he created like trees, mountains, buildings, clouds), made places of shelter in the mountains, clothes to protect you from heat, and equipment to afford protection in war.The verse is using the Arabic style of jaala not to mean that a shadow is an independent created being but that Allah arranged His creation so it provides shade as a benefit just like He made the night a covering (2547) it is about function, not a separate entity.
So the way I understand it the point is that shade is part of this larger list of human benefits. Allah arranged creation in such a way that shadows exist and we can use them for comfort and protection. To me it is less about shadows being a separate entity and more about how they like clothing or mountains serve as signs of Allah’s mercy.
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Thanks Mazhar for your feedback.
When I read this verse 1681 I see it in the same flow as the rest of the passage Allah reminding us of His bounties. As
From what Allah has created He has provided shade for you(from things he created like trees, mountains, buildings, clouds), made places of shelter in the mountains, clothes to protect you from heat, and equipment to afford protection in war.The verse is using the Arabic style of jaala not to mean that a shadow is an independent created being but that Allah arranged His creation so it provides shade as a benefit just like He made the night a covering (2547) it is about function, not a separate entity.
So the way I understand it the point is that shade is part of this larger list of human benefits. Allah arranged creation in such a way that shadows exist and we can use them for comfort and protection. To me it is less about shadows being a separate entity and more about how they like clothing or mountains serve as signs of Allah’s mercy.
Shadow and shade are different phenomenon.
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A shadow is a specific, defined image. It is the precise dark shape that results when an object blocks a source of light. It is countable.
Shade is the general, relative darkness and coolness caused by something blocking the sun. It is the area protected from the sun's harsh light and heat.
وَٱللَّهُ جَعَلَ لَـكُـم مِّمَّا خَلَقَ ظِلَٟلٙا
Realize it, Allah the Exalted has rendered out of what He has created as shadows/shades for you people —This verb needs two objects to complete the meanings.
Subject of a verb is always an entity
وَلِلَّهِ يَسْجُدُ مَن فِـى ٱلسَّمَٟوَٟتِ وَٱلۡأَرْضِ طَوْعٙا وَكَرْهٙاوَظِلٟلُـهُـم بِٱلْغُدُوِّ وَٱلْءَاصَالِ۩١٥
Be aware; whoever is living-exists in the Skies and the Earth submits humbly in surrender; and will acknowledge and submit humbly in surrender for Allah the Exalted; in states arising on wilful acceptance-acknowledgement with reverence, and will do so under compulsion of coercive circumstances. However, their shadows make themselves in prostrate posture for Allah the Exalted, at occasion of the mornings and the evenings.Interesting information
أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَـىٰ رَبِّكَ كَيْفَ مَدَّ ٱلظِّلَّ وَلَوْ شَآءَ لَجَعَلَهُۥ سَاكِنٙاثُـمَّ جَعَلْنَا ٱلشَّمْسَ عَلَيْهِ دَلِيلٙا ٤٥
ثُـمَّ قَبَضْنَٟهُ إِلَيْنَا قَبْضٙا يَسِيـرٙا ٤٦
Did you not look towards your Sustainer Lord to know as to how He has stretched-lengthened the Shadow? And had He the Exalted so willed, He would certainly have rendered it (the shadow) as an object that remains motionless - still —Afterwards, Our Majesty rendered the Sun as a pointer - indicator upon it (shadow).
Afterwards, Our Majesty seized it towards Ourselves, in manner of easy - smooth retraction.That is the point in time when objects are shadow-less.
If Allah the Exalted Willed, He Could Make It Motionless
Shadows are dynamic because of the earth’s rotation and the Sun’s apparent motion.
Hypothetical scenario if the Sun were fixed directly overhead (or Earth did not rotate), shadows could remain still — but in reality they move continuously. -
https//youtu.be/CETEDk5_Hm8?si=1ydYvWiZUccRZhXw
All I understood by watching this video was that people are so cognitively dissonant.. I remember the verse in the Quran like it states, 'they denied the truth after they knew it' ...
Cool video for people to reflect on whatever they get from it..
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Logical question.. Reflect, even you are a truth-seeker or someone who is adamant in falsehood, whatever.. For us, the Sun looks so close, though scientifically, it is 93 million miles away. Fine. This is the same Sun that lights the entire Earth.. Do you think stars can light the Earth, though they are bigger than the Sun as they claim? No, they don’t.. cus they are far away from us.. if they could, at night they would have lit the Earth, but it doesn’t happen even with tons and tons of stars in the sky.... The point is, they claim Jupiter is a planet void of its own light, and the Sun is the one that lights up Jupiter, so we see from the Earth, Jupiter is lit like a star .. But do you know how far Jupiter is from the Sun? Yes as per their theory 484 Million miles from the Sun.. It literally means 5.1 times farther than the Earth to the Sun.. So, if you are in Jupiter, you would see the Sun 5.1 times smaller than we can see from the Earth .. Imagine if the sun’s size is 5.1 times smaller from what we see now from the Earth, would you think that the sun (5.1 times smaller) would light up our earth with five times small size? Very unlikely.. It would look like in the sky so tiny cus 1/5.. Then how can the sun light up Jupiter with 1/5 of the Sun’s appearance? And jupiter is 11 times wider than the Earth as well.. Still you want to believe that the Sun lights up jupiter? Then imagine about other planets.. For instance Saturn.. it is 1.42 Billion kms away from the Sun.. If you are in Saturn you would see the Sun like a ‘dot’ in the sky? And would that light up the Saturn? Saturn can hold 700 Earth size.. So it is so big as well.. lol.. If your answer is still desperately Yes, then stars should light up our night sky as they look like squash balls in the sky and they never light up the Earth even you see tens of thousands of them.. Then why you BELIEVE that the Sun lights up other planets while from those planets the Sun is hardly visible? where is the Divine gifted your logic? apply 1736..
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Mazhar I understand your distinction between shade and shadow but I see them as aspects of the same observable sign. As verse 2545 &46 directs us to consider how Allah extends the shadow then made the Sun its guide. Shadows are not independent creations but effects that point us back to His power. Whether we call it shadow or shade the sign is dynamic changing length and direction and that is what we are asked to reflect on.
In life we all hear many things conspiracy theories, political claims, even scientific facts. But the real question is what do we do with that information. Does it change how we live or is it only another headline to pass around. God gave us intellect not only to form opinions but to improve our own lives and character. That is where our real effort matters most.
At the same time I feel it is important for all of us brothers not to turn every discussion into a cycle of video links or accusations of denial. The Quran does not make this our job. Each of us is responsible for our own reflection and to share in good spirit but beyond that guidance is with Allah.
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Mazhar I understand your distinction between shade and shadow but I see them as aspects of the same observable sign. As verse 2545 &46 directs us to consider how Allah extends the shadow then made the Sun its guide. Shadows are not independent creations but effects that point us back to His power. Whether we call it shadow or shade the sign is dynamic changing length and direction and that is what we are asked to reflect on.
In life we all hear many things conspiracy theories, political claims, even scientific facts. But the real question is what do we do with that information. Does it change how we live or is it only another headline to pass around. God gave us intellect not only to form opinions but to improve our own lives and character. That is where our real effort matters most.
At the same time I feel it is important for all of us brothers not to turn every discussion into a cycle of video links or accusations of denial. The Quran does not make this our job. Each of us is responsible for our own reflection and to share in good spirit but beyond that guidance is with Allah.
Agreed. That be the approach. My understanding is because of diction. Subject of a verb has but to be considered as entitle, the doer.
Subject of a verb is always an entity
وَلِلَّهِ يَسْجُدُ مَن فِـى ٱلسَّمَٟوَٟتِ وَٱلۡأَرْضِ طَوْعٙا وَكَرْهٙاوَظِلٟلُـهُـم بِٱلْغُدُوِّ وَٱلْءَاصَالِ۩١٥
Be aware; whoever is living-exists in the Skies and the Earth submits humbly in surrender; and will acknowledge and submit humbly in surrender for Allah the Exalted; in states arising on wilful acceptance-acknowledgement with reverence, and will do so under compulsion of coercive circumstances. However, their shadows make themselves in prostrate posture for Allah the Exalted, at occasion of the mornings and the evenings.Their shadows perform an act.
Somewhere I found this line
//Alexius Mobius perfected the geometry of shadow appearances in the nineteenth century. He treats shadows as entities in their own right. Mobius describes the movement of each shadow by appealing to changes in its geometrical center of gravity.// -
Logical question.. Reflect, even you are a truth-seeker or someone who is adamant in falsehood, whatever.. For us, the Sun looks so close, though scientifically, it is 93 million miles away. Fine. This is the same Sun that lights the entire Earth.. Do you think stars can light the Earth, though they are bigger than the Sun as they claim? No, they don’t.. cus they are far away from us.. if they could, at night they would have lit the Earth, but it doesn’t happen even with tons and tons of stars in the sky.... The point is, they claim Jupiter is a planet void of its own light, and the Sun is the one that lights up Jupiter, so we see from the Earth, Jupiter is lit like a star .. But do you know how far Jupiter is from the Sun? Yes as per their theory 484 Million miles from the Sun.. It literally means 5.1 times farther than the Earth to the Sun.. So, if you are in Jupiter, you would see the Sun 5.1 times smaller than we can see from the Earth .. Imagine if the sun’s size is 5.1 times smaller from what we see now from the Earth, would you think that the sun (5.1 times smaller) would light up our earth with five times small size? Very unlikely.. It would look like in the sky so tiny cus 1/5.. Then how can the sun light up Jupiter with 1/5 of the Sun’s appearance? And jupiter is 11 times wider than the Earth as well.. Still you want to believe that the Sun lights up jupiter? Then imagine about other planets.. For instance Saturn.. it is 1.42 Billion kms away from the Sun.. If you are in Saturn you would see the Sun like a ‘dot’ in the sky? And would that light up the Saturn? Saturn can hold 700 Earth size.. So it is so big as well.. lol.. If your answer is still desperately Yes, then stars should light up our night sky as they look like squash balls in the sky and they never light up the Earth even you see tens of thousands of them.. Then why you BELIEVE that the Sun lights up other planets while from those planets the Sun is hardly visible? where is the Divine gifted your logic? apply 1736..
reflect well the above... Well, I got to tell this though it is a private message I received.. couple of guys said, they called flat earthers numbskulls but not anymore, and the above they never thought of it and they googled they could not find a tangible answer.. They said they are not still considering earth is static but they promised they will research it... very cool.. Yes, that' s what my aim, i.e. pls research..
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Logical question.. Reflect, even you are a truth-seeker or someone who is adamant in falsehood, whatever.. For us, the Sun looks so close, though scientifically, it is 93 million miles away. Fine. This is the same Sun that lights the entire Earth.. Do you think stars can light the Earth, though they are bigger than the Sun as they claim? No, they don’t.. cus they are far away from us.. if they could, at night they would have lit the Earth, but it doesn’t happen even with tons and tons of stars in the sky.... The point is, they claim Jupiter is a planet void of its own light, and the Sun is the one that lights up Jupiter, so we see from the Earth, Jupiter is lit like a star .. But do you know how far Jupiter is from the Sun? Yes as per their theory 484 Million miles from the Sun.. It literally means 5.1 times farther than the Earth to the Sun.. So, if you are in Jupiter, you would see the Sun 5.1 times smaller than we can see from the Earth .. Imagine if the sun’s size is 5.1 times smaller from what we see now from the Earth, would you think that the sun (5.1 times smaller) would light up our earth with five times small size? Very unlikely.. It would look like in the sky so tiny cus 1/5.. Then how can the sun light up Jupiter with 1/5 of the Sun’s appearance? And jupiter is 11 times wider than the Earth as well.. Still you want to believe that the Sun lights up jupiter? Then imagine about other planets.. For instance Saturn.. it is 1.42 Billion kms away from the Sun.. If you are in Saturn you would see the Sun like a ‘dot’ in the sky? And would that light up the Saturn? Saturn can hold 700 Earth size.. So it is so big as well.. lol.. If your answer is still desperately Yes, then stars should light up our night sky as they look like squash balls in the sky and they never light up the Earth even you see tens of thousands of them.. Then why you BELIEVE that the Sun lights up other planets while from those planets the Sun is hardly visible? where is the Divine gifted your logic? apply 1736..
Why do we have/see the horizon, though it is not there in reality?
Let’s reflect.. Why are taller objects and their tops are visible if you walk a few steps away from it? For example, a coconut tree is at least 100 feet in height, and if you walk away a few 100 meters away from the coconut tree, you see the top of coconut tree as if you are taller than the tree.. Same with objects in the sky itself.. you can see the top of the clouds when it is in the distance.. Why it happens? Simple reason is that any object that is moving away from one’s position will shrink in size, and same with non-moving objects, then you have to move to see them shrunk in size.. So, the objects in the sky and the earth seem to have merged at one point (though they never merge).. That’s horizon.. So without sky parallel to the Earth, there is no horizon.. That’s so simple..
The significant conclusion that we have to deduce here is that the objects of the sky (clouds, the sun, and moon and stars, and whatever) are inside a flat circumference of the Earth or outside of it? If an object in the sky is outside the circumference of the Earth’s surface, would that object be possible to create a horizon effect? Suppose if clouds are outside of the Earth’s surface/circumference, would those clouds create a horizon that seems to touch the Earth? No. Never.. It should be inside the earth’s surface in the first place like a tall tree, but it is attached to the Earth, but clouds are moving none attached to the Earth literally but not outside the Earth’s surface/circumference, i.e. above Earth’s surface hanging without direct attachment.. This is what create a horizon technically.. Same with the Sun and the Moon? Can we ever see the sun on the horizon disappearing unless the Sun is in the first place hanging within the surface of the Earth being part of Earth, but none attached? An object that is not within the surface realm cannot create a horizon effect.. impossible.. You can’t bring something outside the circumference of the Earth (that literally doesn’t exist) and make it visible for us.. It’s against the real horizon effect.. Earth and the sky are two parallel objects, i.e. one above the other ..That’s why both in combination create the horizon effect with the help of distance in the eyes of a person at any given position, making it invisible to the naked eyes.. You can’t give horizon effect unless they are parallel and close enough to get that effect..
This perfectly matches when the Divine states, We created the heavens above you (i.e., above the Earth) one above the other as seven heavens.. The heavens are within the circumference of the Earth and parallel and not outside… Sun Moon Stars are within the circumference of the Earth, and not outside.. All are enclosed in the Earth’s circumference..
Objects lying millions and billions of miles away never creates horizon effects, simply cus they are not part of the surface/circumference of the Earth..
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Why do we have/see the horizon, though it is not there in reality?
Let’s reflect.. Why are taller objects and their tops are visible if you walk a few steps away from it? For example, a coconut tree is at least 100 feet in height, and if you walk away a few 100 meters away from the coconut tree, you see the top of coconut tree as if you are taller than the tree.. Same with objects in the sky itself.. you can see the top of the clouds when it is in the distance.. Why it happens? Simple reason is that any object that is moving away from one’s position will shrink in size, and same with non-moving objects, then you have to move to see them shrunk in size.. So, the objects in the sky and the earth seem to have merged at one point (though they never merge).. That’s horizon.. So without sky parallel to the Earth, there is no horizon.. That’s so simple..
The significant conclusion that we have to deduce here is that the objects of the sky (clouds, the sun, and moon and stars, and whatever) are inside a flat circumference of the Earth or outside of it? If an object in the sky is outside the circumference of the Earth’s surface, would that object be possible to create a horizon effect? Suppose if clouds are outside of the Earth’s surface/circumference, would those clouds create a horizon that seems to touch the Earth? No. Never.. It should be inside the earth’s surface in the first place like a tall tree, but it is attached to the Earth, but clouds are moving none attached to the Earth literally but not outside the Earth’s surface/circumference, i.e. above Earth’s surface hanging without direct attachment.. This is what create a horizon technically.. Same with the Sun and the Moon? Can we ever see the sun on the horizon disappearing unless the Sun is in the first place hanging within the surface of the Earth being part of Earth, but none attached? An object that is not within the surface realm cannot create a horizon effect.. impossible.. You can’t bring something outside the circumference of the Earth (that literally doesn’t exist) and make it visible for us.. It’s against the real horizon effect.. Earth and the sky are two parallel objects, i.e. one above the other ..That’s why both in combination create the horizon effect with the help of distance in the eyes of a person at any given position, making it invisible to the naked eyes.. You can’t give horizon effect unless they are parallel and close enough to get that effect..
This perfectly matches when the Divine states, We created the heavens above you (i.e., above the Earth) one above the other as seven heavens.. The heavens are within the circumference of the Earth and parallel and not outside… Sun Moon Stars are within the circumference of the Earth, and not outside.. All are enclosed in the Earth’s circumference..
Objects lying millions and billions of miles away never creates horizon effects, simply cus they are not part of the surface/circumference of the Earth..
Reflect and decide whatever you want to decide, but don't be without reflecting..I realized the Earth is a static plane when I could see the horizon at my standing position where everything seems converging/merging (both the Earth and the Sky) for which we can draw a horizontal line, but I noticed that the mountains were visible well beyond the horizon line and they are far away from my perspective of horizon.. So I realized Horizon is just a horizontal illusion, not a vertical illusion, and never exists.. There is no horizon if we look at the sky vertically.. So, I thought, if those mountains are at a height of 8000 miles, then I would see them forever, even if I extend the distance from the mountains.. That proved to me the Earth never curves.. One would wonder why Everest, on a clear day, is not visible 2000 kms away .. Everest height is not enough for one to see it from Australia or America. It is just few miles at height and only visible 200 miles away. If Everest has the height of 8000 miles you will see whereever you are ... But if the Earth is Globe, You will never see even the mountain 8000 miles in height.. cus once curved your vision is blocked like only one side of a ball can have light even at what height you hold the light.. Got me? or shall I give you a little push.. suppose your globe is a lollypop, and it has a stick bigger than the candy itself ... Imagine Earth is ball lollypop with a stick.. Would someone in Antarctica be able to see the stick of lollypop placed on the North Pole? NO WAY.. you never see the other side of the ball.. but imagine the lollypop is flat with stick on the center.. Anyone around the circle can see the stick in the horizon like the sun is sinking.. Agree? As I said before, just because the mountains were higher, I could see them beyond the horizon line… So apply the height more and more, you will definitely see it cus mountains don’t move like the sun in WAVE shape.. Yes we know there is no mountains reaching the height of 8000 miles..
If the horizon doesn't literally exist, how come objects disappear at the horizon due to CURVATURE? Horizon doesn't exist but curvature exists.. so outrageously hilarious..
