Why alcohol is haram by quran
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Peace!
Alcoholic beverages fall into the category of intoxicants and their presence in the blood leads to blurred consciousness, weakening of the senses and decreased concentration in the one who drinks it.
What does the Qur'an tell us about this? In 2219 it is said”They ask thee about KHAMR and MAJSIR. Say thou “In both is great ITH’M and benefits for men; but their ITH’M is greater than their benefit.” And they ask thee what they should spend. Say thou “The surplus.” Thus does God make plain to you the proofs, that you might reflect”
While with verse 733 the alcoholic beverages are forbidden for the sake of connection with ITH’M.
”Say thou “My Lord has only made unlawful sexual immoralities— whether open or concealed — and ITH’M, and sectarian zealotry without cause, and that you ascribe a partnership with God to that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you ascribe to God what you know not.”
We see today that soft drinks can be produced without the presence of alcohol in them. If there is no iITH’M in these drinks then there is no harm in them to the health and psyche of the people. In the same way, if you remove money in gambling, that is. investing money or property in the outcome of gambling then gambling becomes harmless or becomes an ordinary game just as alcohol becomes a harmless beverage when the presence of an intoxicating substance is removed from it, ie. alcohol.
In 48 places in the Qur’an, the root alif-sa-mim is used and covers a lot of things. Among other things, it is associated with wills, suspicions, conspiracies, oaths, etc. Here are the verses
285, 2 173, 2 181, 2 182, 2 182, 2 188, 2 203, 2 203, 2 206, 2 219, 2 219,2 276, 2 283, 3 178, 420, 448, 450, 4 107, 4 111, 4 112, 5 2, 5 3, 529, 529, 562, 563, 5 106, 5 107, 6 120, 6 120, 733, 2411, 25 68, 26 222, 3358, 4237, 4444, 45 7, 4912, 5223, 5332, 5625, 58 8, 58 9, 6812, 7624, 8312If we carefully analyze 2 219 we will see that Allah makes it known that opiates (drinks, wine, and everything else that intoxicates) and gambling are something that man himself has made knowing that it still has harm for the one who uses them because intoxicating drinks and various gamblings are not found as a product of nature itself. In other words, man made them for himself, knowing that for the most part there was only harm in them.
The Qur'an is one body and it is impossible to separate the verse or verses from the whole, ie. we must approach the Qur'an as an organic material because all the verses are connected and bound and as such part of one and the same whole. When a certain is'm is mentioned as haram at 733 then we have to look for where and what the Qur'an specifies or categorizes under the term is'm and is'm is actually a contamination, a waste that God sanctions (puts out of use) to come into contact us.
I think that something is haram when the Qur'an directly, ie. by name it makes haram. But this is something completely new where the Qur’an uses one comprehensive term similar to a remote net by which a fisherman catches a multitude of different fish. By the way, how to explain 733 who says in such a clear way that specific el-is'm is haram? If it is specific, it means that it has already been pointed out. So if it is defined it is up to us to look for it in the Qur’an. I am of the opinion that one of the tasks of the Qur'an is to teach us the correct methodology, which can be direct but also representative, ie. collective and comprehensive. As for 2 219, it discovers something else in himself, and that is chemistry and biology, because it is in this verse that the molecular side of intoxicating drinks is revealed - they are intoxicating because they contain a molecule of alcohol whose combination the letter ث with its three dots so well visualizes. I mean 733 is determinative - determining just as in the case of Iblis where at 1850 it is said that he was one of the jinn because otherwise if it were not for verse 1850 we would have to conclude that Iblis was one of the angels.
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ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL"
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Definition of Sin is "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law." there comes the issue.. This word is typical bible based... But izthm is just Guilty / Wrong / offence / transgress moral, ethic or law and not necessarily law of God...
For example I bring the verse 52 " ..... And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in wrong / misdeed / offence (izthm) and aggression. ....."
Thus this izthm befits for all occurrences...
Now let's consider about verses 2219 "
They ask you about intoxication and gambling. Say, "In them (dual) is great wrong/offence and benefit for people. But their wrong/offence is greater than their benefit.Hear clearly note the word "IN THEM" it means in intoxication and gambling... But 733 is talking about immorality and offence and oppression and association with God... They all talk about individually about it.. Forbidden is association with God.. Forbidden is fahisha.... Forbidden is oppression and forbidden is Offence of any nature..
Gambling or intoxication is not forbidden.. Instead IN THEM is offence (izthm) while benefit.. If God forbids anything regardless of food or other matters, IN THEM are no BENEFIT.... In association with God there is no benefit save loss only.. note that.. Same apply to whatever forbidden..
God has forbidden when it comes to food and drink only 4 items.. In which intoxicating drinks are not included.. Thus we can't forbid anything that God has not forbidden.. But God says eat what is halal(except 4, conditional ) and what is good(option).. So we have option to avoid.. If we feel flesh of crocodile is disgusting. We can leave it.. No harm.. But don't say forbidden..
What went wrong for you is the translation of izthm as Sin which is bible oriented
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Salam,
KhMR in verses 2.219 and 5.90-5.91 does not mean wine nor alcohol nor intoxicant nor drug nor any meaning related to this, though in other verses like in Surah 12, it indeed means wine.
In fact, KhMR in those verses 2.219 and 5.90-5.91 was not an Arabic word but a word from Syriac / Aramaic origin.
Or alternatively, if it was an Arabic word in, e.g., Old Hijazi dialect, this original meaning has been forgotten since, and only the meaning of wine or liquor has been retained.By the way in Surah 12, of the two companions of Joseph, the winemaker is saved, while the baker is put to death.
As evidenced here http//cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=xmwrh%232+N&cits=all, the Syriac word Khumrā had several meanings, one being amulet or amulet spirit.
This meaning perfectly fits into verses 2.219 and 5.90-5.91 given the context.It is magic and divination of all kind that is forbidden by Qur'an, and again this is perfectly in line with the overall sense conveyed by Qur'an that salvation cannot be gained by knowing the unseen world (al-ghayb).
And magic and divination and alike (e.g. amulets) are indeed ways to try gaining access to the unseen world. -
Salam,
KhMR in verses 2.219 and 5.90-5.91 does not mean wine nor alcohol nor intoxicant nor drug nor any meaning related to this, though in other verses like in Surah 12, it indeed means wine.
In fact, KhMR in those verses 2.219 and 5.90-5.91 was not an Arabic word but a word from Syriac / Aramaic origin.
Or alternatively, if it was an Arabic word in, e.g., Old Hijazi dialect, this original meaning has been forgotten since, and only the meaning of wine or liquor has been retained.By the way in Surah 12, of the two companions of Joseph, the winemaker is saved, while the baker is put to death.
As evidenced here http//cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=xmwrh%232+N&cits=all, the Syriac word Khumrā had several meanings, one being amulet or amulet spirit.
This meaning perfectly fits into verses 2.219 and 5.90-5.91 given the context.It is magic and divination of all kind that is forbidden by Qur'an, and again this is perfectly in line with the overall sense conveyed by Qur'an that salvation cannot be gained by knowing the unseen world (al-ghayb).
And magic and divination and alike (e.g. amulets) are indeed ways to try gaining access to the unseen world.Peace...
Yeah it seems so if we explicitly look at it... but QURAN is a clear book in manifest Arabic language..
Yes may be sometimes history would have hidden the meaning of certain words of Arabic and turn the table ... For example ummi.. But everything should be decided within Quran... Comparing other languages or dialects to give the meaning of Quran cannot possibly accept by any means... That's sheer bizarre approach..Quran had clearly given a word 4715... So we can insist within Quran to drag the meaning of this particular sentence..
If intoxicants not matching but at least liquor would match undeniably...Gambling is the common word in 591 for other two gambling mentioned in 590.. So all three are gambling.. But one is different which liquor... In a place of gambling liquor is kind of imperative bond... Needles to state...
If you have liquor to certain extent you will definitely have harm and intoxication which clearly stated in verse 3747.. So the drink is liquor or wine.. But in that verse it states it doesn't happen.. That's mercy.. But drink is wine.. So we can't neglect 4715 Khamrin/wine liquor..
So why go for another alternative option as amulet... While this wine or liquor or perhaps intoxicant is perfectly befitting with the verses in question..
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Peace...
Yeah it seems so if we explicitly look at it... but QURAN is a clear book in manifest Arabic language..
Yeah, I know those verses that say that this is "clear book" in "pure Arabic language".
But you and most people take those verses to a too extreme and "extremist" meaning that was never intended in first place.Another thing a postulate of Qur'an-alone exegesis is that a word in Qur'an must have only one and single meaning (this is meant to go against mainstream Islam interpretation where words have different meanings in different verses).
But there is actually no proof that this postulate is correct.
Quran had clearly given a word 4715... So we can insist within Quran to drag the meaning of this particular sentence..
If intoxicants not matching but at least liquor would match undeniably...Gambling is the common word in 591 for other two gambling mentioned in 590.. So all three are gambling.. But one is different which liquor... In a place of gambling liquor is kind of imperative bond... Needles to state...
If you have liquor to certain extent you will definitely have harm and intoxication which clearly stated in verse 3747.. So the drink is liquor or wine.. But in that verse it states it doesn't happen.. That's mercy.. But drink is wine.. So we can't neglect 4715 Khamrin/wine liquor..
So why go for another alternative option as amulet... While this wine or liquor or perhaps intoxicant is perfectly befitting with the verses in question..
You know, Qur'an-alone mindset emerges from Islam nonetheless, despite rejection of some Islamic traditions.
And Islam clearly prohibits alcohol.
A whole world-wide civilization built itself on the prohibition of alcohol. Moreover modern medicine clearly demonstrates that alcohol causes cancers and other diseases, which is in itself a good reason to abstain.
So it's hard to switch to a different mindset where alcohol would be allowed.
Instead, people try to find every bit of argument in Qur'an that comfort them in the thinking that alcohol was really forbidden by God who knew from eternity that alcohol was bad. -
Yeah, I know those verses that say that this is "clear book" in "pure Arabic language".
But you and most people take those verses to a too extreme and "extremist" meaning that was never intended in first place.Another thing a postulate of Qur'an-alone exegesis is that a word in Qur'an must have only one and single meaning (this is meant to go against mainstream Islam interpretation where words have different meanings in different verses).
But there is actually no proof that this postulate is correct.
You know, Qur'an-alone mindset emerges from Islam nonetheless, despite rejection of some Islamic traditions.
And Islam clearly prohibits alcohol.
A whole world-wide civilization built itself on the prohibition of alcohol. Moreover modern medicine clearly demonstrates that alcohol causes cancers and other diseases, which is in itself a good reason to abstain.
So it's hard to switch to a different mindset where alcohol would be allowed.
Instead, people try to find every bit of argument in Qur'an that comfort them in the thinking that alcohol was really forbidden by God who knew from eternity that alcohol was bad.Peace...
I don't want to drag this topic to something else coz of what you have written...
Pls stick with topic.. That would save time of readers..Anyway we have no authority to forbid alcohol whole God has not... So simple... But choose what is good for consumption.. We know liquor is not that good for body if taken beyond its level for an extended period...
Still I never drink. .. Just coz it is not required for my life..
Poison is made out of natural leaves as well.. So do many dangerous drugs...Has God forbidden.. We don't need to forbid.. Let that be.. But as a believer choose what is Good to eat and drink.. Forbidding authority only with God in His law prescribed.. handshake -
Another thing a postulate of Qur'an-alone exegesis is that a word in Qur'an must have only one and single meaning (this is meant to go against mainstream Islam interpretation where words have different meanings in different verses).
But there is actually no proof that this postulate is correct.
Salam Anoushirvan,
I agree that a word can have multiple meaning. In the past I myself have been searching for one and only one meaning until I realize that it will only lead to verses that I cannot understand properly unless I allow different meaning for the same word. A simple example would be "Kitab". This word can have different meaning in different verses. So context and overall consistency with other verses will be needed to choose the "best" meaning out of all possible meanings. And Project Root List has been very excellent tool for me to find possible meanings.
Wassalam,
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Alcohol is not prohibited in the Quran. Please watch this academic investigation
https//youtu.be/klh7ybf4eZE
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This so-called academic investigation lacks a review of 733 which is crucial to understanding this topic.
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This so-called academic investigation lacks a review of 733 which is crucial to understanding this topic.
Your topic heading is included a word HARAM.. forbidden.. Show us everyone where it is written in Quran with this word alcohol..
Let's use some logic then within Quran..
443 ..it addressed at believers.. What it says.. Don't near Salat when you are under the influence of intoxication until you may know what you utter.. Very basic what happens when one is drunk..What kind of instruction is this if alcohol which basically makes one intoxicated is forbidden?
Coming after doing a forbidden act to perform salat and God shamelessly instruct them not to near salat... What one can get from this verse.. though it is forbidden you can drink but wait until you are normal within your senses..Let me transform the verse.. "Don't near Salat after raping a woman until you clean yourself" well.. is raping forbidden.. Yes.. But why God would say.. Being a believer and comes after raping a woman and says don't near Salat . What nonsense...
Every forbidden action in Quran is worthy punishment from Allah unless we beg for forgiveness.. Yes or No?This verse will only end up as an encouragement to believers that FORBIDDEN alcohol is not the issue with Allah but not nearing to Salat is what matters .
Now let's consider since alcohol is not forbidden and suppose one drank and he has intention of salat... But he has not been allowed just coz he is literally intoxicated ..ie he is not himself.. can Allah keep reminding them every time they drink and got intoxicated.. No..
That's why God said.. Verse 590... As a believer if you want to be successful you have to avoid rijz (abomination) though it has benefit and even enjoyment... But God didn't forbid and simply given the choice in believer's own discretion ... Choose if you want worldly life abominations or avoid them so you can be successful...
This word rijzs is very intricate and has to consider it very carefully to apply meaning.. Same flesh of khinzeer itself is Rijzs but forbidden. .read all ten occurences of word rijzs.
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By the way, how to explain 733 who says in such a clear way that specific el-is'm is haram?
733 قل say انما solely حرم harrama/prohibit ربى lord mine
- الفوحش the immoralities ما what ظهر apparent منها from it وما and what بطن unaware
- والاثم wal-ithma/and the detriment والبغى and the cruelty بغىر in other than الحق the right
- وان and that تشركوا thou associate ye of بالله in the god ما what لم not ىنزل descended به in it سلطنا authority of
- وان and that تقولوا thou say ye of على about الله the god ما what لا not تعلمون thou knowing
not saying حرم harrama/prohibit اثم ithmun/detriment (by itself it's incomplete?)
5332 الذىن the ones ىجتنبون avoiding كبىر greater الاثم l-ithmi/the detriment والفوحش and the immoralities الا except اللمم the small faults ان indeed ربك lord your واسع extensive المغفره the forgiveness...
443 ىاىها O you الذىن the ones امنوا believes ye of لا not تقربوا thou approach ye of الصلوه l-salata/the connection (prayer) وانتم and are you سكرى sukara/intoxicated حتى until تعلموا know ye of ما what تقولون thou saying...
1667 ومن and of ثمرت fruits النخىل the date palms والاعنب and the grapevines تتخذون thou taking منه from it سكرا sakaran/intoxication of ورزقا and provision of حسنا best/good of ان indeed فى in ذلك such لاىه surely sign لقوم for folk ىعقلون reasoning
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وَالْإِثْمَ wa el-ithme in 733-2 refer to something specific which is حَرَّمَ and the Qur'an specifies this term, among other things, connects it with khamr and maysir. What then is khamr?
Khamr is every man manufactured substance with ability to intoxicate human body (here belongs drinks if they are mixed with alcohol ), because it covers the intellect, seize a man’s intelligence to enslave him. Without the intellect we became unworthy to receive and understand the word of God and as such it is not possible to perform salaat.
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وَالْإِثْمَ wa el-ithme in 733-2 refer to something specific which is حَرَّمَ
peace, no specifically 733 detriment in other than the right
not prohibit harm (by itself incomplete), contradicts 5732
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Since “ithm” at 733 وَالْإِثْمَ is listed with the definite article “al” then it tells us that it is not about any “ithm” but something that is already defined, specific and determined by the Qur’an. It is logical to ask ourselves, based on 733, what this "ithm" refers to. Isn't that so? To find out this specificity we just need to find verses that link to “ithm”. Everything stated at 733 falls into the category of forbidden things (haram).
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Since “ithm” at 733 وَالْإِثْمَ is listed with the definite article “al” then it tells us that it is not about any “ithm” but something that is already defined, ...
yes of course, clearly defined in the verse i.e. the harm and the cruelty caused by injustice
733 قل say انما solely حرم harrama/prohibit ربى lord mine
- الفوحش the immoralities ما what ظهر apparent منها from it وما and what بطن unaware
- والاثم wal-ithma/and the detriment والبغى and the cruelty بغىر in other than الحق the right
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وَالْإِثْمَ at 733 stands by itself and is therefore not part of the next item where unjust force is mentioned or part of the previous item on the shameful deeds, public or secret. All this is done with a clear demarcation using the conjunction article (wa). So these are forbidden things that are different from each other and that is why they are listed each for itself.
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ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL
As the followers of the Quran know, only God can determine what is halal (lawful) or haram (forbidden).
16/116*And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
16/35*And those who were polytheists said "If God had wished, we would not have served a thing other than Him; neither us nor our fathers; nor would we have made unlawful anything other than from Him." Those before them did exactly the same thing; so are the messengers required to do anything except deliver with clarity?
And the forbidden/haram food and drink (the blood) are announced explicitly by our Lord in His book
5/3*Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on altars, and what you divide through arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
However, interpreters of the Quran hide our Lord's message by distorting the meaning of a verse (5/93), thus they can add other harams to the God's list. There is a passage in surah Al-Ma'idah about "hamr" which is translated as either alcohol, intoxicants or wine. This passage is between the verses 90-93 and the next verse 94 starts a new topic.
5/90*O you who believe, alcohol, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tainted - by the work of the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.5/91*The devil only wants to cause strife between you through alcohol and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact prayer. Will you be deterred?
5/92*And obey God and obey the messenger, and be aware. If you turn away then know that it is the duty of Our messenger to deliver clearly.
5/93There is no sin upon those who believe and do good works for what they eat if they are aware and believe and do good works, then they are aware and believe, then they are aware and do good; God loves the good doers.
*The verb "ta'ima" (translated as what they eat above) applies to eating and drinking (taste) in Arabic and the 93rd verse of surah 5 shows that the drinking hamr (alcohol or wine) or eating beef marinated in wine is NOT haram for "believers" as long as they avoid the work of Satan.
To be more specific, (illicit) sex is forbidden, but the exception is lawful sex. Having lawful sex with spouses is halal for believers. Just like sex is "conditional halal" for believers, drinking alcohol is conditional halal for believers as long as they meet the criteria stated in 5/93 and are able to avoid the work of Satan.
Some interpretors distort the true meaning of this verse (5/93) and dare to make some additions to the God's words in brackets. They translate the sentence in past tense (what they have tasted/ they tasted) and claim that the word "taste" refers to a time period before the prohibition of alcohol. However, this is obviously mistranslation because what is haram (shirk) for believers is describing something as haram before the God prohibits it. In other words, mistranslating this verse referring to the past leads to logical fallacy in the Quran.
To summarize, as is stated in 16/67 the alcohol, the substance itself, is good and lawful provision
16/67*And from the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you make strong drink and a good provision. In that is a sign for a people who comprehend.
16/114*So eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and lawful, and be thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He whom you serve.
16/115*He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
What is illicit in "hamr" (alcohol or wine) for believers (2/219) is explained in 5/91 and it is not forbidden as long as one can meet the criteria in 5/93.
7/32*Say "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.
Because "hamr" is a nice provision in here, the public of paradise will be served hamr in the hereafter. (47/15)
Peace
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Here the same conclusion is repeated, ie. your arguments would be valid if there were no verse 733.
