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GOD s one and only religion to all mankind. Joining the kingdom of GOD.

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    Jafar
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    “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’
    For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you”
    -- Jesus as written in Luke 1721

    "Since before time and space were,
    the Tao is.
    It is beyond is and is not.
    How do I know this is true?
    I look inside myself and see."
    -- Lao Tse, Tao The Ching chapter 21

    And everyone is invited, the door is always open, all they need to do is to look inside their own selves and see. No religion / identity is indeed, infact it will require one to shed all of it's attachment including it's attachment to religion and identity.

    But when they decided to seek and explore outside of their own selves, they're free to do so.
    Yet the door to God is always opened to anyone and anything, as it's inside of their own selves to begin with.

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      musabxus
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      Peace All.
      I hope it is the right time to check our religion. Reflecting on who we are and our purpose in this life.
      Who do we really serve? Which authority? Why?

      You may be surprised to find out that you have actually been serving your creator! But you are not aware of it. Whatever your religion is or you understand it to be!

      the word “ Submitter” is the English equivalent of the Arabic word “Muslim,” and the word “Submission” is the English equivalent of the Arabic word “Islam,” the underlying implication of these words is very profound, and far from the superficial meanings that are traditionally understood or used.

      A Submitter/Muslim to GOD, can be defined as a person who submits to the will of God. The state of Submission, which can only take place between the person and God Almighty, is considered to be the only acceptable form of following God. (319, 85). Therefore, Submission is not a name of a religion; rather it describes a state of mind of one’s devotion to God alone. It is an attitude towards GOD your creator and all His creations.

      Submission is GOD s religion to all mankind, whereby one recognizes God’s absolute authority, and reaches a conviction that only God possesses all power; no other entity possesses any power that is independent of Him. The natural result of such a realization is to devote one’s life and one’s service absolutely to God alone. This is the First Commandment in all the scriptures, including the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Final Testament (The Quran).

      Hear, O Israel!
      The Lord our God is One God!
      Therefore you shall adore
      the Lord your God
      with all your heart,
      with all your soul,
      with all your mind,
      and with all your strength.

      The commandment to follow the religion of God alone is also found in the Hindu scriptures

      Let us meditate on God,
      His glorious attributes,
      who is the basis of everything in this universe as its Creator,
      who is fit to be worshiped
      as Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient
      and self existent conscious being,
      who removes all ignorance
      and impurities from the mind
      and purifies and sharpens the intellect.

      While every religion has been corrupted by innovations, traditions, and false, idolatrous doctrines, there may be “Submitters/ Muslims” within every religion. There may be Submitters who call themselves Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or anything else. This is a concept some of the traditional Muslims will fiercely object to, even though it is in the Quran, and we experience it constantly.

      They are not all the same; among the followers of the scripture, there are those who are righteous. They recite GOD’s revelations through the night, and they fall prostrate.

      One of the reasons for this objection could be due to the implication of the terminology used. For example, the phrase “Christian Monotheist” may seem to introduce a conflict, since the traditional definition of a Christian is one who believes in the divinity of Christ.
      However, there are Christians who consider this idea to be blasphemous, and consequently they believe that Jesus was only a messenger of God and His Messiah.
      Similarly, there are people in other religions who believe in God Almighty, believe that they are accountable for their works, and they are righteous.
      A criterion of the true religion of GOD is that they will find nothing objectionable in the basic Torah, Gospel and Quranic teachings when they encounter them.

      All these people are loyal to GOD Alone, and they collectively constitute the only religion acceptable to God.

      Say, “We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters.”

      Minimum Criteria
      There are many more people out there who are Monotheists/Believers in heart, but we may not be aware of them. Furthermore, they themselves may not know where to fit in. How can one know if he or she might qualify to be called a Believer?
      The minimum criteria are given in the following verses.

      Surely, those who believe,
      those who are Jewish,
      the Christians,
      and the converts;
      anyone who
      (1) believes in GOD, and
      (2) believes in the Last Day, and
      (3) leads a righteous life,
      will receive their recompense from their Lord.
      They have nothing to fear,
      nor will they grieve.

      The Believers follow the religion of Abraham (16123). It was the religion of Moses and Jesus and Muhammad. It was the religion of all of the prophets and messengers. All of them were Believers and Submitters to God, and God alone.

      Submission to God alone is a personal relationship between you and God. You are answerable to Him directly and He alone will judge you. To be a Believer/ Submitter, you do not need to change your name or learn another language, or abandon your cultural identity or anything like that. There is no such thing as a 'Muslim or Submitter name' because your name does not affect your relationship with God.

      Believers/Submitters are members of one family. They are allies of one another. They help and support each other as God and His angels help and support them. They are also united in one column when striving in the cause of God.

      It is a known fact that all religions of the world—Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and others—have been corrupted one way or another through innovations, traditions, and the idolization of humans such as the prophets and the saints. Many people use religion to justify wars, terrorism, tyranny, and for economic and political gain.

      The Believers follow God’s revelations, and obey God’s commandments as well as they can. They follow the truth from their Lord-Only His revelations-, not corrupted religions and man-made doctrines.

      Submission/True Islam today is like a precious jewel that is buried under piles upon piles of man-made innovations. Humans have been divided into sects and into enemies by these man made religions

      Say, “O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical agreement between us and you that we shall not serve except GOD; that we never set up any idols/authorities besides Him, nor set up any human beings as lords beside GOD.” If they turn away, say, “Bear witness that we are submitters.”

      No Compulsion in Religion
      GOD has not asked us to convert anyone to any religion, but only to present the true Islam (Submission) to the world.
      God specifically states in the Quran that There shall be no compulsion in religion the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

      May the Lord guide us to true Islam.The state of mind and the true attitude towards GOD,religion and all the creations.
      GOD bless you all.
      Peace.

      The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
      2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers "We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers;" and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny."

      Keep on spreading the Good News. We should be one and not belong to the groups and sectarians.

      Have you find a decent translation of the Vedas? Finding a decent translation of the Bible is not so hard. But it's so hard to find a good translation of the Vedas, most of them i found are full with Sanskrit words..

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        good_logic
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        Swami Vivekananda interpretations of the Vedas are a bit better than most. He has supported his interpretations with logical explanations.
        You may read the works of Swami Vivekananda and decide for yourself if you find them reliable.

        Sanskrit is unique and ancient enough that translations just find it too difficult to bring out the inflection and sense sometimes.
        This is also very different to so many of the other holy books of other religions. In short, a Sanskrit reading with the Nirukta close by hand would probably help most.
        Sanskrit words can often have various meanings, and to further complicate matters, the Vedas contain obscure and even unknown words. The study of nirukta delves into the origins and meanings of these words and the phrases they form, allowing slightly clearer interpretation of the Vedas.

        An Indian can probably help you with the translation if you know one.
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          Jafar
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          Keep on spreading the Good News. We should be one and not belong to the groups and sectarians.

          What is the good news?

          The good news is actually NOT Jesus has come, Muhammad has come, Gospel has been written, Quran has been written etc.. the "Good News" as mentioned by Jesus and Lao Tse above is God is all around and can be found / reached easily within each and everyone of you.

          Regardless of your religion / social identity, gender, nationality, languages, races or even species.

          Thus there's no hindrance for reaching out, even for the blind or the illiterate.

          Jesus did not create any religion nor Muhammad and so does Siddhartha or Krishna, they didn't even wrote a book!

          Creating a religion will only further divide through yet another 'identity'.
          While their invitation is towards 'unity'.

          Religion or any form of identity is merely a 'temporary illusion' (sanskrit Maia), all of it will meet it's end eventually.

          Look inside yourselves and see...
          The Kingdom of God / The Tao or whatever name that you came up with for The One Infinite, can be found inside each and everyone of you.

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            musabxus
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            Swami Vivekananda interpretations of the Vedas are a bit better than most. He has supported his interpretations with logical explanations.
            You may read the works of Swami Vivekananda and decide for yourself if you find them reliable.

            Sanskrit is unique and ancient enough that translations just find it too difficult to bring out the inflection and sense sometimes.
            This is also very different to so many of the other holy books of other religions. In short, a Sanskrit reading with the Nirukta close by hand would probably help most.
            Sanskrit words can often have various meanings, and to further complicate matters, the Vedas contain obscure and even unknown words. The study of nirukta delves into the origins and meanings of these words and the phrases they form, allowing slightly clearer interpretation of the Vedas.

            An Indian can probably help you with the translation if you know one.
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

            Thanks, have you found out what the word deva means?

            When you read in the Vedas, where do you do that? Can you share a link? Or a pdf?

            May God protect us and enlighten us!

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              For me, Deva means "heavenly, divine, some being with excellence", and is also one of the terms for GOD in Hinduism.
              Deva is a masculine term.

              However ,us humans find alternatives like the feminine equivalent is Devi. In the earliest Vedic literature, all supernatural beings are called Devas and Asuras

              The modern word Goddess has changed connotations to represent a lesser form of divinity.

              So basically, Deva had the meaning we typically think of as the word God
              However some Buddhists interpret the view that God was thought to be the Great Mother. Also in some sects of Buddhism Deva's are highly evolved beings who inhabit different levels of existence. Deva's are commonly associated with great beauty and bliss.
              Again man adds their own interpretations to GOD s words. like the other religions.

              l have only read what you find out there on the internet. Like all other ancient scriptures, one can make of them what they can understand best..Very difficult to check authenticity.
              As for general information to decipher, there are many sites like for example
              https//www.learnreligions.com/what-are-vedas-1769572

              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                musabxus
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                For me, Deva means "heavenly, divine, some being with excellence", and is also one of the terms for GOD in Hinduism.
                Deva is a masculine term.

                However ,us humans find alternatives like the feminine equivalent is Devi. In the earliest Vedic literature, all supernatural beings are called Devas and Asuras

                The modern word Goddess has changed connotations to represent a lesser form of divinity.

                So basically, Deva had the meaning we typically think of as the word God
                However some Buddhists interpret the view that God was thought to be the Great Mother. Also in some sects of Buddhism Deva's are highly evolved beings who inhabit different levels of existence. Deva's are commonly associated with great beauty and bliss.
                Again man adds their own interpretations to GOD s words. like the other religions.

                l have only read what you find out there on the internet. Like all other ancient scriptures, one can make of them what they can understand best..Very difficult to check authenticity.
                As for general information to decipher, there are many sites like for example
                https//www.learnreligions.com/what-are-vedas-1769572

                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

                Thanks, i hope it just means enlightened beings or something. So the devas are the good ones right and the asuras are the bad ones?

                Yes it is very hard to read the translations of the Vedas. I couldn't even follow the story. Their translations are so so bad sadly enough. I hope we will find a good one.

                I can't believe that the Hindus didn't receive messengers.

                Have you read the Buddhist Scripture?

                I also wonder where the Asian messengers are. All i have read of them was the Tao Te Ching but it was so short?

                My goal is to read all major Scriptures of all nations.

                I also wonder where the African messengers are..
                I thought God sends to every nation?

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                  Jafar
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                  Thanks, i hope it just means enlightened beings or something. So the devas are the good ones right and the asuras are the bad ones?

                  Not necessarily, it's not directly translated to 'good' and 'bad' since the outlook is different.

                  The overall view is that everything is available in opposite polarity and "good" or "bad" is subjective.
                  Yet both polarity need to exist and part of the one infinite.

                  While the 'word' for the 'one infinite' in Sanskrit is Brahman.
                  https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman
                  The 'unity' behind all 'diversities' and 'polarities'.

                  Lao Tse had the same concept which he named as "Tao".
                  The Tao which is beyond IS and NOT IS, beyond limitation / border of time and space.

                  Next is truly dependent on what's your understanding of the word "God".
                  Whether it's mapped in concept to "deity" (which is finite / a being / has polarity) or "The One Infinite" (Brahman / Tao)

                  I can't believe that the Hindus didn't receive messengers.
                  Have you read the Buddhist Scripture?
                  I also wonder where the Asian messengers are. All i have read of them was the Tao Te Ching but it was so short?

                  The eastern conception is that Brahman / Tao can easily be found inside.
                  Thus the majority of them do not try to seek it 'outside', either through scripture or people.

                  While the conception of 'messengers' are different if compared to the west (middle east included).

                  In the west 'messengers' are viewed as 'intermediaries' between earth realm and 'gods realm' thus convey an 'authority' and need to be recognized and obeyed. On the east is the opposite, messengers is not a requirement for one to reach out to the infinite, since the infinite can easily be found inside.

                  A message is not true just because a specific 'messenger' said so.
                  A 'messenger' role is to deliver a message, and it's up to each to agree with it or not.
                  And usually a 'good / kind / positive' messengers are humble and they do not ask others to accept / recognized him/her as a messenger or asking others to accept his/her opinion through force or threat. If he does then certainly he's the messenger / teacher of the 'negative path'.

                  Thus there's a blurry line between 'messenger' and 'teacher'.

                  For example Lao Tse never asked anyone to recognized him as a 'messenger'.
                  And he never declared that he convey a message from a "divine authority" either.
                  He just teaches, based on what he know, and those teaching / saying is then written and preserved on bamboo scrolls. It's up to the reader to feel 'inspired' or 'not inspired'.

                  The same thing with Siddhartha Gautama...
                  Most Buddhist did not see Siddhartha as an 'object to worship' or as 'mediator' between the earthly realm and divine realm, they see him as an 'inspiration', an inspiration to be 'enlightened' just like him.

                  And he never claimed to be the "most enlightened" or the "last enlightened" either.

                  Thus no such conception as the "Last Teacher", "Last Messenger" either..
                  Teachers / messengers always exist up until today and into the future.
                  And definitely you can be one too...

                  And messenger / teacher is always available in both opposing polarities...
                  From the fruit you will know whether the tree is good or bad.
                  As you need to experience both in order to differentiate.

                  My goal is to read all major Scriptures of all nations.

                  Try to look inside you, it's the best source of inspiration, you will then know and not only believe.

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