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Quran “sky torn apart” “sky cleft asunder”

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    Mahdi20
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    In the Name of God

    Salam

    وَإِذَا السَّمَاءُ فُرِجَتْ
    إِذَا السَّمَاءُ انْفَطَرَتْ
    إِذَا السَّمَاءُ انْشَقَّتْ

    Can someone please explain what is the meaning of sky/heaven/universe torn apart ? The sky isnt object… what is the meaning in here?

    Can we say it means when the flay appears in universe?(cuz in 506 and 673 فروج and فطور translated as flaws) or we can say its on allusion/irony that simply means that the means “when the universe destroys”? And it really mean torn apart?

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      tlihawa
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      Salam Mahdi,

      In the Name of God

      Salam

      وَإِذَا السَّمَاءُ فُرِجَتْ
      إِذَا السَّمَاءُ انْفَطَرَتْ
      إِذَا السَّمَاءُ انْشَقَّتْ

      Can someone please explain what is the meaning of sky/heaven/universe torn apart ? The sky isnt object… what is the meaning in here?

      Can we say it means when the flay appears in universe?(cuz in 506 and 673 فروج and فطور translated as flaws) or we can say its on allusion/irony that simply means that the means “when the universe destroys”? And it really mean torn apart?

      Yes, the sky is a solid object. we are living in the womb of universe. You can see what I understand about this universe here,

      Nobody can go up to the sky, even the Jinn. There will be flame of fire waiting for us.

      5533 O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority

      5535 There will be sent upon you a flame of fire and smoke, and you will not defend yourselves.

      Jin was able to do this,..but not anymore.

      728 And we have sought the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.

      But God has sent down the scriptures to explain all of this,..the creation of the universe, and something that we can be observed and compared directly, Ourselves!

      1799 Did they not see that God who has created the heavens and the earth is able to create their like? And He has made an appointed time for them in which there is no doubt. But the wicked refuse anything except rejection.

      4153 We will show them Our signs in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is witness over all things?

      5120 And on the earth are signs for those who comprehend.
      5121 And within yourselves; do you not see?

      The creation of the heavens and the earth is akin to the creation of man, just different in scale

      4057 The creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of the people, but most of the people do not know.

      And most of the people dont know.

      5662 And you have already known the first creation, so will you not remember?

      We dont need to go up to the sky to since we know the first creation from 2312-14, as follows,

      https//encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcQpHmT6oJCew8hKtAS-8qJtSywulhtxOi4YNUKBL6MgesC34DZS

      Now let's take a look at what's God has been said in Torah regarding the creation of the universe,

      Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
      (6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
      (7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament and it was so.

      Firmament is a solid structure a.k.a "dome". There's a water above the firmament

      And Quran said,

      117 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His Throne was upon the water;

      There is no way the throne of God is on the water below the dome or above the ocean we used to see. But it's above the water outside the dome. It's not necessary a liquid nitrogen, but a pure water as describe in Quran.

      2553 And He is the One who merges the two seas; this is fresh and palatable and this is salty and bitter. And He made between them a partition <barzakh> and an inviolable enclosure.

      So now let's compare this two pictures side by side,

      https//i.imgur.com/0RkmaLx.jpg

      It does make sense to me that's this two things is alike. And let's go further into the passage,

      2761 Is He who made the earth a Qararan and placed within it rivers and made for it Rawasiya and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? No, but most of them do not know.

      I let the word Qararan and Rawasiya untranslated, so we can see its meaning in dictionary,

      https//i.imgur.com/nhUuyGn.jpg

      So the earth is like the extreme part of the womb, I called it "placenta", which comes from "late 17th century from Latin, from Greek plakous, plakount- ?flat cake,? based on plax, plak- ?flat plate.?

      flat cake.. )

      So from my perspective, the earth is flat just like a placenta.

      8820 And to the earth, how was it flattened <sutihat>?

      https//i.imgur.com/f0MSCw2.jpg

      Sutihat, in geometry is a plane, that which is divisible symmetrically and terminated by line.

      The heaven and earth also is "dahaha" which means expands. Dahaha is the ostrich's nest which expanded as the bird make it wide. Same thing happen in the mother's womb during pregnancy.

      Now let's get back to the scripture's model of the universe. Taken from the one of the Apocrypha books (The hidden Books),

      2 Esdras (4 Ezra)

      Chap 16
      58 He hath shut the sea in the midst of the waters, and with his word hath he hanged the earth upon the waters.

      59 He spreadeth out the heavens like a vault; upon the waters hath he founded it.

      So the earth is hanged over the water,.. that's why we need "Rawasiya" as an anchor to make it stable.

      https//i.imgur.com/IMSaty8.jpg

      Rawasiya is not mountain,.. it's an anchor.

      2131 And We made on the earth the anchor <rawasiya> lest it should shift with them,..

      Now, let's get further with Qararan, here is the explanation

      1426 wamatsalu kalimatin khabiitsatin kasyajaratin khabiitsatin ijtutstsat min fawqi al-ardhi maa lahaa min qaraarin

      1426 And the example of a bad word is like a khabiitsatin tree, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any Qararin

      There is twice the use of the word khabiitsatin in the above verse, but I choose a different meaning for the second word. Since the context is about the tree, I choose the word, colosynth.

      https//i.imgur.com/Sm7wMRU.png

      So it become,

      1426 And the example of a bad word is like a colosynth, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any Qararin

      Just keep the Qararin part that way.

      And then I do the same with this verse

      1424 Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, making a good word like a tayyibatin, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches high in the sky?

      Once again, let's focus on the root system of the tree,.. tayyibatin also means palm trees.

      https//i.imgur.com/OS9cLIy.png

      So I re-translate the verse like this

      1424 Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, making a good word like a palm trees, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches high in the sky?

      So the different between the colosynth and the palm trees is their root model. The colosynth has no root, and the palm trees just like this,

      https//i.imgur.com/HOXOm8m.jpg

      Ok so now, what's all of this got to do with qararin or placenta?

      They have the same root system

      https//i.imgur.com/NEkwBK2.jpg

      Our Qararan or Placenta in the womb has palm-trees root model in their system.

      I quote this form medical website

      Without two blood supplies mixing..
      Sounds familiar in Quran

      2761 Is He who made the earth a Qararan and placed within it rivers and made for it Rawasiya and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? No, but most of them do not know.

      Without two seas mixing..
      Therefore, we as a baby inside the firmament womb, cannot see the water above the firmament or dome.

      Allah knows best.

      Peace

      Peace

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        jkhan
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        I agree.. brother Tilihawa..

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          Mahdi20
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          Salam Mahdi,
          Yes, the sky is a solid object. we are living in the womb of universe. You can see what I understand about this universe here,

          Peace

          Peace tlihawa, you used flat-earth pictures in you post, do you think that earth is flat?

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            tlihawa
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            Salam Mahdi,

            Peace tlihawa, you used flat-earth pictures in you post, do you think that earth is flat?

            Yes, no doubt.

            8820 And to the earth, how was it flattened <sutihat>?

            Sutihat

            https//i.imgur.com/f0MSCw2.jpg

            Peace

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              Mahdi20
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              If you think by thisway… Go study science… or go to a scandinavia location…or become an astronaunt and see the roundness of earth by your eyes.

              And about the verse that you have sent, read the previous verse and you will know what کیف الارض سطحت means…

              https//s4.uupload.ir/files/25fdb1f6-7174-4d8e-8f09-0cd6b69f298a_rkvi.jpeg

              Hope this picture helps, peace

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                tlihawa
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                Salam Mahdi,

                Hope this picture helps, peace

                Thank you. Still no doubt.

                Peace

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                  Mahdi20
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                  Salam Mahdi,
                  Thank you. Still no doubt.

                  Peace

                  Peace, can you kindly explain when we dont see the sun, where is it? Where it goes?

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