Rituals Prayers Methods - how to perform

[Athar2022]

OK this concludes to we have to follow Prophet Ibrahim (A.S) on how to pray.

And how to pray is "detailed" in the Quran, Only?

And Our Prophet(S.A.W.W), the Last Prophet ever, will not show us practically on how to Establish the Salah?

From Adam (A.S) to all the Prophets, ending at our Prophet (S.A.W) all of them were Muslim, Alhumdulillah, that is the Belief of us Muslims, whoever reads the Quran, Knows it.

But we are the Ummah of the Last Prophet(S.A.W) and Allah Orders in the Quran

Quran 3321
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا
"There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much."

Quran 331-32
قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١) قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَ‌ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say “If you really love Allah, then follow me, and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.”
Say “Obey Allah and the Messenger.” Then, should they turn back, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”

And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?

[truth]

Peace,

Before I answer your questions, let us agree that prophet Ibrahim never uttered the words you now do in your prayers.

Let us acknowledge that he did not recite any words in Arabic, nor did he ever send blessings on another prophet in any other language.

This should be as crystal clear to you, as it is to me.

What he did do was admonish his father and others who were idolaters. They had 'carved' their idols into existence with their own hands and minds, and today's 'Mohammedans' are the followers of earlier ones who 'carved' his imagined personality and conception into the idol they worship today in association with The God.

Ibrahim smashed the idols. You can do the same. Destroy the idols which your forefathers have placed upon you and worship The God alone without associating ANYTHING OR ANYONE including men who He chose as prophets and messengers. They have no power to benefit or harm you. Do you still not see how you completely defy The God and the simplicity of rejecting ALL idol worship.

You would be the first to recognise the idolisation of the narrative Jesus by billions, and yet are blind to the idolisation of a later prophet by a billion others including yourself.

So to your questions

How do 'we' pray. We pray the way that we pray. There is no single proper or fixed way. Everyone who acknowledges that The God is The Witness, understands the need to establish a periodic connection to The God by supplication, contemplation, sitting, standing or lying on their sides.

If you believe that having your feet a certain distance apart, or folding your arms or leaving them by your side, raising an index finger or standing a foot up with toes hyperextended is necessary to fulfil this then no one else can object to what you CHOOSE to do.

The form of your connection should not ever take precedence over the purpose of it. So choose a way sincerely and do it the way The God instructs you to do it. You don't need others to coach you specifically on it. Be sincere and do it according to your understanding.

But how about 'communal prayer' you ask. Communal prayer is an innovation for political purposes to establish control and obedience of mindless 'ummiyun' to unauthorised priesthoods of various flavours.

The 'call to prayer' is the one issued by The God to the sincere. The God guides whomever He wills to establish the connection. That is the call. Not an Arabic composition played ad infinitum on public announcement loudspeakers that interferes with the peace of people of differing ways and faiths who are assured that there is NO COMPULSION to follow the way you do. 'To you your way and to me mine' as The Quran mentions clearly.

The peace of communities must be maintained without annoyances. You might think of it as a desirable thing and not an annoyance but it has no place in the modern world where everyone has the equivalent of an atomic clock timekeeper in their mobile phones and any number of other devices that can be set to remind them if they require it.

OK this concludes to we have to follow Prophet Ibrahim (A.S) on how to pray.

And how to pray is "detailed" in the Quran, Only?

And Our Prophet(S.A.W.W), the Last Prophet ever, will not show us practically on how to Establish the Salah?

From Adam (A.S) to all the Prophets, ending at our Prophet (S.A.W) all of them were Muslim, Alhumdulillah, that is the Belief of us Muslims, whoever reads the Quran, Knows it.

But we are the Ummah of the Last Prophet(S.A.W) and Allah Orders in the Quran

Quran 3321
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا
"There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much."

Quran 331-32
قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١) قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَ‌ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say “If you really love Allah, then follow me, and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.”
Say “Obey Allah and the Messenger.” Then, should they turn back, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”

And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?

[good_logic]

There is some agreement, but let us also use our common sense.
The call for prayer is not mandatory ,it is done for the purpose of congregating together /congregational prayer. Or do you call yourself for every prayer when you pray?
Qoran has detailed the salat windows /timing .
Do you use common sense when living in the 24 hour sun day country or in space -astronaut- or has the prophet left you timing you follow for that?

Does one believe GOD s every word of the 114 chapters? then only GOD Alone should be mentioned for the salat-contact prayer.. Yet different sects innovate and add other names with GOD in the salat.and in Azaans.
How about

1. Allahu Akbar (God is Great), 4 times
   (2) Laa Elaaha Ellah Allah (There is no other god beside God), once.

If you count the total number of "Allahu Akbars" in the Azaan for 5 daily Contact Prayers (5x4 = 20) and add it to the total count of Allahu Akbars said in the 5 Contact Prayers themselves (94), the total comes to 114.

Or is that not measured enough for you.?

Calling to the salat is calling to GOD s contact prayer. .As long as it is standardised and does not mention any other entity beside GOD it does the job.
Don t we complicate the deen enough!

I will stop here. A lot to reflect on or ignore.
You are free to choose your own religion brother.
Thanks for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Athar2022]

Allah revealed the last Message in Arabic and it is the language that unites all the Muslims in the world, make us 1 Ummah.

We Worship Allah Alone and we ask Allah to Bless the Messenger(S.A.W.W), we ask Allah Alone, We NEVER ask the Prophet(S.A.W.W)

It is ordered in the Quran
Quran 3356
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓٮِٕڪَتَهُ ۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ صَلُّواْ عَلَيۡهِ وَسَلِّمُواْ تَسۡلِيمًا (٥٦)
"Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, pray to Allah to bless him, and send your Salam to him in abundance."

Let me remind you again
We NEVER ask the Messenger(S.A.W.W), nor we ever make any Idol of him, a Muslim can NEVER do that, It should be as clear as day to you, my Brother.

You pray lying at your sides, sitting, standing, that is "Dua"and not "Salah" that is not how we are Commanded to "Establish Salah".

Quran 1440
رَبِّ ٱجْعَلْنِى مُقِيمَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةِ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِى ۚ رَبَّنَا وَتَقَبَّلْ دُعَآءِ
"My Lord, make me steadfast in Salah, and my offspring as well. And, Our Lord, grant my Dua."

And yes you can keep your feet together or apart, it does not matter, you can keep your arms down or folded, does not matter either, we do the Qiyam. the Ruku and the Sajda as commanded in the Quran and Practiced by the Prophet (S.A.W.W)

And call to the prayer is taught by the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.W) and you are laughing at Arabic, the language of Quran, the language that unites us Muslims.

We Muslims establish Salah in congregation as the Prophet(S.A.W.W) taught us, the Prophet (S.A.W.W) is to be followed, not you or anyone else my Brother.

You must have seen all of us at Hajj together, all the sects, we are 1 Muslim Ummah doing the Hajj together, shoulder to shoulder, Establishing our Salah together, this is what the Disbelievers hate the most.

[Noon_waalqalami]

It is ordered in the Quran
Quran 3356
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓٮِٕڪَتَهُ ۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ صَلُّواْ عَلَيۡهِ وَسَلِّمُواْ تَسۡلِيمًا (٥٦)
"Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, pray to Allah to bless him, and send your Salam to him in abundance."

peace, صلوا sallu/bless ye of علىه upon him (asking them back then)

[good_logic]

Whether it is our salat or loyalty or ibada or...about the religion ,everything has only one authority and origin GOD Alone./no idols or other authority.

The prophet was ordered as follows
This is a revelation of the scripture, from God, the Almighty, the Wise.
تَنزيلُ الكِتٰبِ مِنَ اللَّهِ العَزيزِ الحَكيمِ
We sent down to you this scripture, truthfully; you shall Ubud/follow/serve... God, devoting your religion to Him alone.
إِنّا أَنزَلنا إِلَيكَ الكِتٰبَ بِالحَقِّ فَاعبُدِ اللَّهَ مُخلِصًا لَهُ الدّينَ
And to us the same message
Absolutely, the religion shall be devoted to God alone. Those who set up idols beside Him say, "We idolize them only to bring us closer to God; for they are in a better position!" God will judge them regarding their disputes. God does not guide such liars, disbelievers.
أَلا لِلَّهِ الدّينُ الخالِصُ وَالَّذينَ اتَّخَذوا مِن دونِهِ أَولِياءَ ما نَعبُدُهُم إِلّا لِيُقَرِّبونا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلفىٰ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحكُمُ بَينَهُم فى ما هُم فيهِ يَختَلِفونَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لا يَهدى مَن هُوَ كٰذِبٌ كَفّارٌ

We are all vulnerable to idol worship by our nature. We blame others and find excuses

On the day when He summons them, together with the idols they had set up beside God, He will say, "Have you misled these servants of Mine, or did they go astray on their own?"
وَيَومَ يَحشُرُهُم وَما يَعبُدونَ مِن دونِ اللَّهِ فَيَقولُ ءَأَنتُم أَضلَلتُم عِبادى هٰؤُلاءِ أَم هُم ضَلُّوا السَّبيلَ
They will say, "Be You glorified, it was not right for us to set up any lords beside You. But You allowed them to enjoy, together with their parents. Consequently, they disregarded the message and thus became wicked people."
قالوا سُبحٰنَكَ ما كانَ يَنبَغى لَنا أَن نَتَّخِذَ مِن دونِكَ مِن أَولِياءَ وَلٰكِن مَتَّعتَهُم وَءاباءَهُم حَتّىٰ نَسُوا الذِّكرَ وَكانوا قَومًا بورًا
They have disbelieved in the message you have given them, and, consequently, you can neither protect them from the retribution they have incurred, nor can you help them in any way. Anyone among you who commits evil, we will commit him to severe retribution.
فَقَد كَذَّبوكُم بِما تَقولونَ فَما تَستَطيعونَ صَرفًا وَلا نَصرًا وَمَن يَظلِم مِنكُم نُذِقهُ عَذابًا كَبيرًا

Messengers Are Just Human Beings. They pass on the message and cannot protect us from wrong.. They go through the test and we go through the test . Are we failing the test ?

We did not send any messengers before you who did not eat food and walk in the markets. We thus test you by each other; will you steadfastly persevere? Your Lord is Seer.
وَما أَرسَلنا قَبلَكَ مِنَ المُرسَلينَ إِلّا إِنَّهُم لَيَأكُلونَ الطَّعامَ وَيَمشونَ فِى الأَسواقِ وَجَعَلنا بَعضَكُم لِبَعضٍ فِتنَةً أَتَصبِرونَ وَكانَ رَبُّكَ بَصيرًا

A final thought to ponder for all of us.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

[stillearning]

Salaam athar 2022

You have not answered any of my questions, even though they were short and required simple answers.

Lets try again

1. Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?

2. You said the method of prayer was revealed to the prophet during Isra. So how did the prophet/muslims pray before Isra?

3. I asked you where the method of prayer as revealed during the journey of Isra documented & your response;

The Life of the Prophet (S.A.W.W) is very well documented, in very detail, the command on following the example of the Prophet(S.A.W.W) is from Allah Himself.

You obviously consider yourself to be a very knowledgeable person, so can you please be more specific and post the documented source.

And what is the other side?

Sorry you did not grasp my point, it was response to where i pray. At sporting events usually 2 sides and often I pray for the success of my side(s) but more often than not my prayers are not answered. Hope that makes sense. If not I will simplify it further for you

And it is lovely to know that you go to the Masjid, Masha-Allah.

Thank you for that, however I don't think Allah is based just in any specific place. Perhaps, guessing from your name, Bullay Shah's poetry about Masjids, temples etc is not a bad read/listen

Rather than lengthy discussion lets keep things brief & simple so the wood does not get mixed with the trees. Then hopefully we can learn from each other

[Athar2022]

Lets try again

1. Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?

2. You said the method of prayer was revealed to the prophet during Isra. So how did the prophet/muslims pray before Isra?

3. I asked you where the method of prayer as revealed during the journey of Isra documented & your response;

4. Allah knows the best.
   I am a believer of Allah and Allah orders me to follow the Prophet (S.A.W), the sayings and deeds of the Prophet are a part of my faith.

5. The correct word is Salah, The Gift of Salah came to us through the Messenger (S.A.W) after Isra.
   Deen did not complete in 1 day, it took years, 23 years.

6. Is Rasul-Allah (S.A.W) Not Enough for me? IRasul-Allah showed us how to pray and all of us Muslims Sunni or Shia whoever they maybe, we have the same method.

We Establish the prayer, we don't lie on the bed and then establish our prayer.

[Athar2022]

Good Logic,

You choose a select few verses and leave the rest of the Quran, why is that ?

You are a Logical person why would you do that ?

I see that you are fond of Number 19, every Muslim should be, this is our prayer to Allah when we are ending our Salah

اَللّٰھُمَّ صَلِّ عَلٰی مُحَمَّدٍ وَّ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ مُحَمَّدٍ کَمَا صَلَّیْتَ عَلٰٓی اِبْرَاھِیْمَ وَ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ اِبْرَاھِیْمَ اِنَّکَ حَمِیْدٌ مَّجِیْدٌ

اَللّٰھُمَّ بَارِکْ عَلٰی مُحَمَّدٍ وَّ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ مُحَمَّدٍ کَمَا بَارَکْتَ عَلٰٓی اِبْرَاھِیْمَ وَ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ اِبْرَاھِیْمَ اِنَّکَ حَمِیْدٌ مَّجِیْدٌ

[Iyyaka]

Peace stillearning,

Lets try again

1. Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?

That's a good question.
If we take the sura 81 for example we can tell that it is divided in 2 parts

• Part 1 verses 1-14
• Part 2 verses 15-29.
  The expression in verse 19 "Indeed,it is surely the saying of an honorable messenger." refers to the Part 1 (and messenger refers here to jabreel...).
  But in the Part 2 = whose speaking ? not so easy to answer when we forget for a moment to look at the text in the light of our belief

[good_logic]

Peace Athar2022 .
You ask ,quote
"You choose a select few verses and leave the rest of the Quran, why is that ?"

Because they are relevant to the subject we were discussing. I replied to your questions and selected the verses you quoted too.or have you missed reading them.
You have not answered many of my questions why?

You also say,quote
"I see that you are fond of Number 19, every Muslim should be, this is our prayer to Allah when we are ending our Salah"

I am fond of all the numbers from 1 to 114. From number 1 -FATIHA, the key to contact my Lord when I do my salat, to number 114- AL NAAS-when I seek refuge on my Lord from the jokers and Iblees.
Number 3 helps me when I close my salat like my Lord orders here
318
شَهِدَ اللَّهُ أَنَّهُ لا إِلٰهَ إِلّا هُوَ وَالمَلٰئِكَةُ وَأُولُوا العِلمِ قائِمًا بِالقِسطِ لا إِلٰهَ إِلّا هُوَ العَزيزُ الحَكيمُ
God bears witness that there is no god except He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

So I just say AHSHADU AN LA ILAAH ILLA ALLAH WAHDAHU LA SHARIKA LAHU. God Alone ,no partners with him in my salat.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[stillearning]

Quote

Lets try again

1. Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?

2. Allah knows the best.
   I am a believer of Allah and Allah orders me to follow the Prophet (S.A.W), the sayings and deeds of the Prophet are a part of my faith.

Interesting I think you are deliberately avoiding answering the question, because you know that it wont fit with your narrative

2. You said the method of prayer was revealed to the prophet during Isra. So how did the prophet/muslims pray before Isra?

3. The correct word is Salah, The Gift of Salah came to us through the Messenger (S.A.W) after Isra.
   Deen did not complete in 1 day, it took years, 23 years.

Again completely avoided the the question. Deen took 23 yrs but did the muslims/prophet perform Salah before Isra or not? or did it take 23 years to complete Salah

3. I asked you where the method of prayer as revealed during the journey of Isra documented & your response;

4. Is Rasul-Allah (S.A.W) Not Enough for me? IRasul-Allah showed us how to pray and all of us Muslims Sunni or Shia whoever they maybe, we have the
   same method.

Again not even a vague attempt to answer my question.

Unless you were born with innate knowledge, where is your evidence for the method of Salah you have been tryong to explain

We Establish the prayer, we don't lie on the bed and then establish our prayer.

[Fusion]

Good

I see that you are fond of Number 19, every Muslim should be, this is our prayer to Allah when we are ending our Salah

اَللّٰھُمَّ صَلِّ عَلٰی مُحَمَّدٍ وَّ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ مُحَمَّدٍ کَمَا صَلَّیْتَ عَلٰٓی اِبْرَاھِیْمَ وَ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ اِبْرَاھِیْمَ اِنَّکَ حَمِیْدٌ مَّجِیْدٌ

اَللّٰھُمَّ بَارِکْ عَلٰی مُحَمَّدٍ وَّ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ مُحَمَّدٍ کَمَا بَارَکْتَ عَلٰٓی اِبْرَاھِیْمَ وَ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ اِبْرَاھِیْمَ اِنَّکَ حَمِیْدٌ مَّجِیْدٌ

I had the same understanding. I would like to post a question, what is wrong if a Muslim recite the above dua while establishing the salat. It’s a simple dua that we want Almighty to shower his blessings on the prophet and his AAl. We usually say the same thing when we greet our close friend that may god have blessing and mercy on you and your children.. it does not mean we are associating partners with Allah.,,right.? Yes am aware of those Muslims who cross the boundary for praising the messenger but it all depends on the intention.

Coming back to the thread which I started. My purpose was to understand that how come such an establish act or ritual of worship is not mentioned in Quran step wise while at same time Wudo is clearly mentioned?.
Unless the act of prayer is or has been the same among all previous prophets nations and so need not be mentioned.

At the same time I also find it strange that there are verses in Quran which depicts strong punishment or shows god may ask those people who do not establish prayer… so if this is such a big thing for god almighty, surely he will not leave the method of practicing prayer to some scholars who came hundreds of years after prophet death and write those hadiths books to explain how Muslims pray.. does not make sense. What about this folks who were alive at the 50 or 100 years.. they do not have these Fiqah or hadith books…
I hope my point is clear because for any punishment or a strong statement by God for those who forgot their prayers..not makes all sense to at least mention the method of prayer… yes the essential elements are mentioned like ruko qayam etc. but not exactly how Muslims pray today..
Salam

[Athar2022]

Salaam athar 2022

You have not answered any of my questions, even though they were short and required simple answers.

Lets try again

1. Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?

2. You said the method of prayer was revealed to the prophet during Isra. So how did the prophet/muslims pray before Isra?

3. I asked you where the method of prayer as revealed during the journey of Isra documented & your response;

You obviously consider yourself to be a very knowledgeable person, so can you please be more specific and post the documented source.

Sorry you did not grasp my point, it was response to where i pray. At sporting events usually 2 sides and often I pray for the success of my side(s) but more often than not my prayers are not answered. Hope that makes sense. If not I will simplify it further for you

Thank you for that, however I don't think Allah is based just in any specific place. Perhaps, guessing from your name, Bullay Shah's poetry about Masjids, temples etc is not a bad read/listen

Rather than lengthy discussion lets keep things brief & simple so the wood does not get mixed with the trees. Then hopefully we can learn from each other

Walikum -us- Salam,

I cannot keep things more simpler than this.

1. Allah knows the Best.
   You are not the authority and neither is me.

2 and 3
I speak basic English, so my reply is very very Simple and Brief
Deen took 23 years to complete, we Muslims of Today have the complete Deen with us (It did not come in pieces to us).
Quran is my Book and it orders me to follow the Messenger (S.A.W).

How Muslims prayed before Isra, Allah knows the Best, I pray how Rasul-Allah (S.A.W) left it with us.
The differences among different sects of us the Muslims are Minor, my Shia friend prays with me in my Masjid and I pray with him in his Masjid.

We Establish the prayer, we don't lie on the bed and then establish our prayer.

How do you establish it ?

[Athar2022]

I had the same understanding. I would like to post a question, what is wrong if a Muslim recite the above dua while establishing the salat. It’s a simple dua that we want Almighty to shower his blessings on the prophet and his AAl. We usually say the same thing when we greet our close friend that may god have blessing and mercy on you and your children.. it does not mean we are associating partners with Allah.,,right.? Yes am aware of those Muslims who cross the boundary for praising the messenger but it all depends on the intention.

Coming back to the thread which I started. My purpose was to understand that how come such an establish act or ritual of worship is not mentioned in Quran step wise while at same time Wudo is clearly mentioned?.
Unless the act of prayer is or has been the same among all previous prophets nations and so need not be mentioned.

At the same time I also find it strange that there are verses in Quran which depicts strong punishment or shows god may ask those people who do not establish prayer… so if this is such a big thing for god almighty, surely he will not leave the method of practicing prayer to some scholars who came hundreds of years after prophet death and write those hadiths books to explain how Muslims pray.. does not make sense. What about this folks who were alive at the 50 or 100 years.. they do not have these Fiqah or hadith books…
I hope my point is clear because for any punishment or a strong statement by God for those who forgot their prayers..not makes all sense to at least mention the method of prayer… yes the essential elements are mentioned like ruko qayam etc. but not exactly how Muslims pray today..
Salam

Walikum-us-Salam My Brother,
You must have read the Ayaat on Rasul-Allah's obedience in the Quran, there are many.

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا (٢١)
Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often.

There are many other Ayaat in the Quran that command us to follow the Prophet, when we regularly read the Quran we come to know of i, very well.

And yes there are strict Orders to Establish the Salah.
Do you think Muslims may have quit it after Rasul-Allah(S.A.W) ?
All of them ?
And after quitting it, now they are finding the ways on how to do it ?
Maybe establish the prayer while laying in the bed ?

[good_logic]

Peace Fusion
You ask, quote
"what is wrong if a Muslim recite the above dua while establishing the salat. It’s a simple dua that we want Almighty to shower his blessings on the prophet and his AAl. We usually say the same thing when we greet our close friend that may god have blessing and mercy on you and your children.. it does not mean we are associating partners with Allah.,,right.?

Salat and dua are not the same thing. You can do dua for whoever you want however you want and whenever you want on anyone.
The salat is a private designated slot to contact the Creator to feed your soul. It should be kept for GOD alone. Aquimi the salat LIDHIKRI.. WA ANNA AL MASAJIDA LI ALLAH FALA TADUU MAA ALLAH AHADA.
There is no problem doing dua on anyone you want to any other time ,why mix it with your salat? Also the potential aim and motive of adding others in your salat is favouritism of messenger or elevated people that can then be passed on as idols down the generations as has happened down the religions.

Otherwise we might as well innovate any dua in our salat but that is not what salat is for.
Just my view.
GOD bless you.
Peace..

[Noon_waalqalami]

There are many other Ayaat in the Quran that command us to follow the Prophet

peace, not one verse (timebound) cannot follow, greet, bless, etc., any deceased prophets.

timebound example given applicable at that time, place, and circumstances

3358 والذىن and the ones ىوذون pestering المومنىن the believers (m/p) والمومنت and the believers (f/p) بغىر in other than ما what اكتسبوا earned they of فقد so verily احتملوا bear they of بهتنا defamation of واثما and detriment of مبىنا clear of 3359 ىاىها O you النبى the prophet قل say لازوجك to spouses your (sing.) وبناتك and daughters your (sing.) ونسا and womenfolk المومنىن the believers ىدنىن downed they علىهن upon them من of جلبىبهن garments theirs (f/p) ذلك such ادنى lowermost (least) ان that ىعرفن recognized they (f/p) فلا so not ىوذىن pestered (f/p) وكان and be الله the God غفورا forgiver of رحىما merciful of 3360 لىن surely, if لم not ىنته ceased المنفقون the hypocrites والذىن and the ones فى in قلوبهم hearts theirs مرض illness والمرجفون and those gossiping فى in المدىنه the city لنغرىنك let subdue we you (sing.) بهم in/concerning them ثم furthermore لا not ىجاورونك will remain neighbors your (sing.) فىها therein الا except قلىلا little of

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[good_logic]

Peace All.
What is it about men s religions that appeal to us?
Let us just create "Compare religions .com" and choose what takes our fancy or the cheapest or the most fashionable!!!

I have been down that path, Christianity ,Judaism, Buddhism Islam,...And many sects of these. Each kicking GOD aside and putting their own human/legends gods at the top. All frightening me with other than GOD mortals that cannot benefit me or harm me.. Giving me their rules and conditions and putting a blindfold over my eyes and covering my intellect to follow them blindly.
Enough is enough folks.
Just as I am trying to wake up from my past nightmare journey to travel on my own path ,people are still trying to pull me back in with false arguments and nonsense.. Well there is a stronger force leading me now. My creator . I am not going to revert back to your religions

There is a new way now and the seal has opened for these coming generations all so called scriptures from GOD are now widely available for everyone, check them out and go your way with your eyes open/ Do not fall for false traps and outdated beliefs. Search your truth you owe it to yourself
GOD s way cannot be in these divided and contradictory ways of feuding humans .each proud of their religions to please their ego and corrupt motives.

We are all one race and we should have one religion.
Be good, do good love thy neighbour exist at least in paper in all your religions.
My final post in this thread unless to answer a simple query .
Sorry about the off topic.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

[Athar2022]

There are strict Orders in the Quran to Establish the Salah.

Do you think Muslims may have quit the Salah after Rasul-Allah(S.A.W) ?

All of them ?

And after quitting it, now they are finding new ways on how to do it ?

Maybe establish the prayer while laying in the bed ?

Further more

We Shia Muslims and Sunni Muslims have remained rivals of each other throughout the history.

Shia Muslims could have quit the Salah of the Sunnis and could have made an "Entire New way" to "Establish the Prayer".

Laying down, sitting, sleeping, running, etc.

But they did not, Why ?

Even Great Plagues where Millions of people vanished from the face of the earth did not end the Establishment of Salah.

The Prophet left us with this gift and if the entire population of disbelievers gather together, we will not quit it, Insha-Allah, it is in our hearts.

[jkhan]

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The Prophet left us with this gift and if the entire population of disbelievers gather together, we will not quit it, Insha-Allah, it is in our hearts.

Oh shame boy... So prophet left this for you and not God?...

God says take refuge in God from Satan ...that's the fundamental way... Seek refuge in Allah from all Satans.. But shame on these sunni shia and all groups and they go to a place in Makka and take few pebbles and throw at satan... Is it how God ordered to chase the Satan.. Well that's become fariseeming to these blinded people.. Quran never ordered it.. Yes you make blaspheme on the prophet who is innocent for all these.. Coz for you people these are imperative rituals where you find peace... Well that's what Satan wants.. Find peace in him.. You are trying to rationalise your shia friend with entire shia community.. While the hatred between them within the religion is engraved.. Just a hilarious way you have picked..

More to come wait..