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With machine translation from the book "Religion in the Quran" written in Turkish)

PRAYER IN THE QURAN

Understanding the prayer in the Qur'an is of great importance for Islam based on the Qur'an. The reason for this is the sectarian mentality; “How can we pray if we understand religion only from the Qur'an? We cannot pray just by looking at the Qur'an. This means that we need sources other than the Qur'an…”. Even the way sectarians ask this question is proof that they do not understand religion. What needs to be done is to determine the method in understanding religion and to understand and apply religion accordingly. After the source of religion is clear, the method; It is taking the source of religion before us and understanding prayer, fasting, morality and everything in the name of religion from this source. In other words, prayer will be understood from the source of religion. The source of religion will not be determined by the idea of prayer in the head. If there is a difference between the Qur'an and what is known in the name of prayer, the solution is not to change the source of religion, but to correct what we know about prayer.When we take in our hands the only source of religion, the Qur'an, we see that it contains all the necessary information for prayer. The most detailed form of worship in the Qur'an is prayer. However, this does not mean that every detail described in the name of prayer today is mentioned in the Qur'an. The elaborate mentality of the sects has touched the prayer as well as every other subject, and details that do not exist in the Qur'an, that is, in religion, have been added to the prayer.

It is wrong to do things that are not mentioned in the Qur'an in a certain way. For example, as we will see later, it is not obligatory to recite Surah Fatiha in prayer. But it is of course good to read the first chapter of the Qur'an, Fatiha, this part of the Qur'an, in prayer. In other words, stating that it is not obligatory to do this in prayer is not to be against that issue. It is wrong to assume an obligation that is not only mentioned in the Qur'an. Considering our example above, the mistake is not to read Surah Fatiha, but to say that it is obligatory to read Surah Fatiha every time you stand up. While reading this part and other parts of our book, please read, “This issue is not found in the prayer described in the Qur'an.” Pay attention to this subtlety in the things we said. Prayer in the Qur'anStarting with wudu and ablution (ghusl), which are the preparatory phases, are as follows

ABDEST AND BOY ABDEST (GUSUL)

In the Qur'an, wudu is only described as a condition of prayer. Also, when entering the mosque, while reading the Qur'an, it is not necessary to make wudu for any worship other than prayer, and for a long ablution (ghusl). In the Qur'an, ablution and ablution are mentioned in two verses that we will give shortly. Apart from these two verses, there is no verse in the Qur'an about wudu' and ablution. In other words, what we need to do, when we need to do wudu and ablution, and what to do if there is no water will be understood from these two verses.

O you who believe! When you get up for prayer; Wash your face and hands up to the elbows. Stroke your head and your feet up to the heels. If you are junub, get clean. If you are sick or on a journey, or if one of you has come from the footpath, or if you have touched women, and you cannot find water Rub your face and hands with clean earth. God does not want to cause you difficulties. Allah wants to cleanse you and complete His blessing on you. It is hoped that; thank you.

5 Surah Maida 6

O you who believe! Do not approach the prayer until you know what you are saying while intoxicated, and until you wash (ghusl, ablution) while you are junub, except when traveling. If you are sick or on a journey, if one of you has come from the footpath or touched women and cannot find water, make tayammum with clean earth rub your faces and hands. God is forgiving, forgiving.

4th An-Nisa' 43

Now let's ask our questions and answer them according to these two verses

Why is Ablution and Ablution Necessary?

It is clear from the verses that; Wudu and ablution are both necessary for a single prayer. 5 At the beginning of verse 6 of Surat al-Maida, it is said that ablution should be taken for prayer. In verse 43 of Surat an-Nisa 4, it is explained that a junub person cannot pray without washing.

When Is Ablution Taken?

If you pay attention to the last parts of both verses, we are told what to do when we need water but we cannot find it. It is also explained what invalidates wudu as it is explained to us that water is necessary. The expression we translate as "when you come from the foot path" shows us that ablution should be taken when it comes from the foot path. The Arabic word for "foot path" is "gait". This word in Arabic means "hole" and corresponds to the words "foot way, toilet". The place meant by the word is used only for this purpose.) In other words, the wudu' must be taken after those performed on the hollow places. With nothing described other than that, neither the shedding of blood,Eating camel meat does not invalidate wudu'. It is clear from the verse what invalidates wudu. Whatever people do to the hole in the "foot way" invalidates the ablution.

When to Take Wudu (Ghusl)?

“Abdest” and “boy ablution” are words that have passed into Turkish from Persian. They are not mentioned in the Qur'an. What we mean by "ablution of height", which is mentioned in the Qur'an, is the necessary washing when one becomes junub. Since "ghusl" already means "to bathe" in Arabic, there have been some people who have said "ghusl" or "ghusl ablution" in Turkish instead of "boy ablution". In both verses, it is said that the other state where water is necessary is "touching women". The expression "don't touch women" is also an idiom with the same meaning in Arabic.) In other words, the ablution is taken after sexual intercourse with women. We have already said that one's ablution is taken when one becomes junub. Junub is derived from the root "cenb". The root of this word has the meanings of "being close, togetherness".According to this, the term “cenabet” became the name for the result of the union, which is the most advanced level of togetherness. The meaning of the word "junub" also confirms the conclusion we reached in the verse about when to make ablution. Apart from sexual intercourse, it is not in the Qur'an that it is wajib (between fard and sunnah, close to fard) or circumcision to make ablution in the following situations. A person can make ablution whenever he wants, whenever he is comfortable, but a rule that does not come out of the Qur'an can not be imposed on anyone either by fard, obligatory, sunnah, or any other title. It is said that everything that is not explained in the 101st verse of 5 Maide Surah is forgiven. That's why no one should seek an additional answer to these unexplained questions, except that we are free in all matters that are not explained in the Qur'an.The meaning of the word "junub" also confirms the conclusion we reached in the verse about when to make ablution. Apart from sexual intercourse, it is not in the Qur'an that it is wajib (between fard and sunnah, close to fard) or circumcision to make ablution in the following situations. A person can make ablution whenever he wants, whenever he is comfortable, but a rule that does not come out of the Qur'an can not be imposed on anyone either by fard, obligatory, sunnah, or any other title. It is said that everything that is not explained in the 101st verse of 5 Maide Surah is forgiven. That's why no one should seek an additional answer to these unexplained questions, except that we are free in all matters that are not explained in the Qur'an.The meaning of the word "junub" also confirms the conclusion we reached in the verse about when to make ablution. Apart from sexual intercourse, it is not in the Qur'an that it is wajib (between fard and sunnah, close to fard) or circumcision to make ablution in the following situations. A person can make ablution whenever he wants, whenever he is comfortable, but a rule that does not come out of the Qur'an can not be imposed on anyone either by fard, obligatory, sunnah, or any other title. It is said that everything that is not explained in the 101st verse of 5 Maide Surah is forgiven. That's why no one should seek an additional answer to these unexplained questions, except that we are free in all matters that are not explained in the Qur'an.It is not in the Qur'an that it is wajib (between fard and sunnah, close to obligatory practice) or circumcision to take ablution in the following cases. A person can make ablution whenever he wants, whenever he is comfortable, but a rule that does not come out of the Qur'an can not be imposed on anyone either by fard, obligatory, sunnah, or any other title. It is said that everything that is not explained in the 101st verse of 5 Maide Surah is forgiven. That's why no one should seek an additional answer to these unexplained questions, except that we are free in all matters that are not explained in the Qur'an.It is not in the Qur'an that it is wajib (between fard and sunnah, close to obligatory practice) or circumcision to take ablution in the following cases. A person can make ablution whenever he wants, whenever he is comfortable, but a rule that does not come out of the Qur'an can not be imposed on anyone either by fard, obligatory, sunnah, or any other title. It is said that everything that is not explained in the 101st verse of 5 Maide Surah is forgiven. That's why no one should seek an additional answer to these unexplained questions, except that we are free in all matters that are not explained in the Qur'an.That's why no one should seek an additional answer to these unexplained questions, except that we are free in all matters that are not explained in the Qur'an.That's why no one should seek an additional answer to these unexplained questions, except that we are free in all matters that are not explained in the Qur'an.

How to Make Wudu?

At the beginning of the 6th verse of the 5th Surah, it is explained how we should make wudu. In this expression, the phrase "hands up to the face and elbows" is followed after the verb "wash", and the phrase "feet up to the head and heels" is used after the verb "stroke". What would you understand if someone said to you, “wash the bathroom and kitchen, wipe the hall and the hall”, does the doorway need to be washed or wiped? Everyone understands that the training needs to be deleted. However, all of the Sunni sects, for some reason, argued that the "feet" after the verb "stroke" should be "washed" instead of plastered. Then why isn't this expression in the verse after the verb "wash"? It is also not possible to say in the verse that it is said to be done from the top down, that stroking is an interim explanation and that it should be patted alone.because in the verse first the face and hands are mentioned, then they are dealt with and then the feet are descended. Therefore, there is no reason to refer to the verb "wash" to pat the feet up to the heels. This idea is derived from fabricated Sunni hadiths. However, according to many hadiths in Shiites, feet are rubbed with hands. Our aim is not to refute the hadiths with hadiths, but to show that those who do not see the Qur'an as sufficient behave arbitrarily even in the hadith. After stating that many Companions were content with patting their feet, Süleyman Ateş explains what is understood from the Arabic of the verse as follows these are the face and arms. He ordered both extremities to be stroked; These are the head and feet. It brought two complements after the verb wash. These are the face and hands.This means that the face and hands will be washed. He also brought two complements after the verb "stroke", these are the head and the feet. So these are the limbs to be stroked. There is a subtle point in the verse that strengthens this meaning immensely. Every word in the Qur'an is extremely harmonious and commensurate with each other. Now, just as the first of the two complements after the verb "wash" indicates a single limb and the second indicates two limbs (i.e. both hands), the first of the two complements after the verb "stroke" indicates a single limb and the second indicates two limbs (two feet). (Süleyman Ateş, Encyclopedia of the Qur'an, volume 1, mention of Ablution).Every word in the Qur'an is extremely harmonious and commensurate with each other. Now, just as the first of the two complements after the verb "wash" indicates a single limb and the second indicates two limbs (i.e. both hands), the first of the two complements after the verb "stroke" indicates a single limb and the second indicates two limbs (two feet). (Süleyman Ateş, Encyclopedia of the Qur'an, volume 1, mention of Ablution).Every word in the Qur'an is extremely harmonious and commensurate with each other. Now, just as the first of the two complements after the verb "wash" indicates a single limb and the second indicates two limbs (i.e. both hands), the first of the two complements after the verb "stroke" indicates a single limb and the second indicates two limbs (two feet). (Süleyman Ateş, Encyclopedia of the Qur'an, volume 1, mention of Ablution).

In short, hands are washed up to the face and elbows, the feet are rubbed up to the head and heels, and nothing is required. Whoever wishes, rinses his mouth and nose, rubs his neck with three fingers, crescents in his ears with his little finger, washes his feet with his heels, and recites prayers in Arabic every time he washes his limbs. But those who do these should know that they have nothing to do with wudu. Allah has explained wudu in the Qur'an and they are not included in that explanation.

How to Take Ablution Wudu?

We have said before that the ablution should be taken while he is junub. Two words describe what we should do when we are junub. The word "tahara" in Surah 5 Maida means "to clean", and the word "gasale" in Surah 4 Nisa means "to wash". For ablution, wash from here to there, rinse your mouth and nose three times, do not leave a place as dry as a pinhead, pour water three times starting from your right shoulder. Since there are no such restrictions, the word "gasale" means only "to bathe".

With the word "Tahara", the importance of getting rid of dirt in this washing process is understood. A person who fulfills this will have made wudu. If a mother says to her five-year-old child "Washer", that child will understand and wash. However, huge men are called "Washers", but they say, "How do I wash? What happens if there is a dry place as much as a pinhead? Which shoulder shall I pour water on first?” They do not understand the verse of Allah. moreover, they do not understand that this lack of understanding stems from their own ignorance. They also declare the book of Allah incomplete and take the books in which these strange questions are explained as a guide as if they are the complete and complete source of religion.

What to Do If Water Is Not Found?

Normally, the probability of a person not being able to find water is very low. The Qur'an's explanation of this situation is proof of how the Qur'an gives all the details when necessary. In all these cases, the person makes up for the lack of water by tayammum to a clean soil. Face and hands that cannot be washed are rubbed by rubbing hands on clean soil. Thus, the preparation for prayer is provided even when there is no water.

Please re-read the statements at the end of both verses about that Allah does not want to cause us difficulties, that He is forgiving and that he is forgiving, and those who have made ablution and ablution a lot of unnecessary details and difficulties.

TURNING TO THE QIBL

In verses 144, 149 and 150 of Surat al-Baqara, Muslims are told to return to the Masjid al-Haram, where the Kaaba is, wherever they are. This is an application that also gives order to prayer. In this way, especially the prayers that are performed together become more regular and regular. In verse 115 of Surat al-Baqara, it is said that wherever we turn, Allah is there, and false meanings are attributed to returning to the Kaaba, and the idolatry of the Masjid al-Haram and its surroundings is prevented. Existing mosques were built towards Masjid Haram based on the verses of Surat al-Baqara. Muslims perform their prayers by turning to Masjid al-Haram. If Muslims know the qibla (Masjid Haram direction), they turn there and pray. If they cannot find the direction, they will know that Allah is everywhere and continue their worship (2 Baqara Surah 115).

CLOTHING IN PRAYER, CLEANING

There is no special clothing for prayer in the Qur'an. Whoever prays alone, prays as he wishes. It is good for a person who goes to places where prayers are held together with a well-dressed and neat dress (See 7 Araf Surah 31). In verse 26 of Surah Araf, it is said that people have a style of clothing that will cover their private parts, as well as a style of clothing that will add beauty and adornment. Five verses after that, in 7Araf Surah 31, adornment is mentioned next to the mosque (in the area where the prayer is performed). We saw in Chapter 22 of the book that there is no such thing as a headscarf, and in other parts of the book, it is not necessary for a man to cover his calf. These non-normal obligations do not exist when praying. Because the Qur'an does not describe a special dress as a prayer dress.

The importance of cleaning and keeping the area where prayer will be performed can be understood from the verses of 2Baqara Surah 125 and 22Hajj Surah 26.

PRAYER TIMES

It is mentioned in the Qur'an that prayer is an obligatory time (4 Surah an-Nisa' 103). The Qur'an, which explains how to pray even in times of fear, has no doubt fully explained the times of the obligatory prayers. What we mean by the explanation of prayer times is to explain the obligatory prayers. Prayer is a praised act of worship. It is a way of turning to Allah and remembering Allah. In this respect, prayer is an act of worship that can be performed at any time. However, not every prayer performed is an obligatory prayer. For example, an extra prayer can be performed at midnight, but this does not mean that the prayer performed at midnight is obligatory. Undoubtedly, the Prophet and his relatives also prayed many times. Forgetting that the Qur'an is the only source, the sectarian mentality declared some of these prayers obligatory and others sunnah; Instead of understanding religion from the Qur'an,They formed a religion by interpreting the actions of the relatives of the Prophet in their own way. Sunni sects have made five prayers obligatory morning, noon, afternoon, evening and night. Shiites say that they make the three daily prayers obligatory and combine the five daily prayers at these times. About what the Kharijites in earlier times did two or three timesThere are also hadiths . Apart from these obligatory prayers, there are also many prayers such as the morning prayers, Duha, Sun, Lunar eclipse, Istikhara, Kadir, Regaip, and Beraat night prayers. The witr prayer, on the other hand, is obligatory for some, close to fard, and sunnah for others.

The Qur'an, which gives information about performing prayers in times of war, undoubtedly also explains the times of obligatory prayers. It is possible that the prayers, which are not proven in the Qur'an, were performed at certain times by certain people, caliphs, or even the Prophet. Because the Qur'an praises prayer, and it is of course good to perform prayers other than obligatory prayers. From this point of view, it is possible that the prayers mentioned above and not mentioned above, but mentioned in prayer books, were performed. However, it is a grave mistake to perceive prayers that are not mentioned in the Qur'an as obligatory prayers. When we look at the event from this point of view, the problem arose from the mistakes in the way the hadiths were interpreted. Now, let's learn about the obligatory prayers, together with their names and times, from the Qur'an, which is the only source of religion.

MORNING (FECR) PRAYER

In the Qur'an, the word prayer is expressed with the word "salat". “Salat”, which has the meaning of “connecting”, is also used for the connection that the servant establishes with his creator, that is, for prayer. The word "salat" was used together with the verb "replacement" to mean "to pray". The name "Salat Fecir", that is, "Morning Prayer", is mentioned in the 58th verse of Surah 24Nur. “Fajr” refers to the emergence of the first rays of the sun in the darkness of the night. This is a process that continues until sunrise. As a matter of fact, the time of this prayer, whose existence is evident from its name, is also determined in the 114th verse of 11Hud Surah.

Pray on both sides of the day and near the night. Beauty removes ugliness.

11 Hud Surah 114

In Arabic, “nehar” means “day” and “leyl” means “night”. The expression "Tarafeyinnahari" refers to the two sides of the day. If "Party"; It means “end, adjoining part from the outside”. It is used in the same sense in other verses of the Qur'an. If we take the beginning of the day as the sunrise and the end of the day as the sunset, there are morning and evening prayers on both sides of the day. In order to fully understand these times, it is emphasized that these times are close to daytime with the expression "zülefen minelleyl".

In other words, the morning prayer is mentioned in the 58th verse of 24Nur Surah. This name also describes the time of the morning prayer. In addition, the time of the morning prayer is determined in the 114th verse of 11Hud Surah. The morning prayer begins with the first light of the day and ends with the sunrise, which is the beginning of the day, as it is evident from the name "Salatul Fecir" in the Qur'an.

EVENING (İŞA) PRAYER

The name of the Isha prayer is also mentioned in the 58th verse of the 24Nur Surah. Those who look at the meaning of the word "Isaiah" in the dictionary will see that the time from sunset to dark, that is, the time we call "evening" in Turkish is called "Isa". The same word is also used in the 16th verse of 12 Yusuf Surah and the 46th verse of 79Naziat Surah. Some translators, who translated the same word in the other two verses as "evening", translated this word as "night prayer", which is a Turkish word, because they were under the influence of sectarian explanations. This translation gives the impression that the Qur'an has made obligatory the prayer described by the sects as the "night prayer", which is wrong. However, if the word "isha", which comes from the root of "to lie down", means that the "isa prayer" is the last obligatory prayer performed before going to bed, this is true. There is also a sign for this in the verse

O you who believe! Let those under your rule, those of you who have not reached the age of puberty, ask you for leave at three times. Before Fajr (morning) prayer, when you take off your clothes at noon, after Isha (evening) prayer. These are the three times you can be naked.

24 Surah Noor 58

The person who goes to the mosque to perform the last prayer and performs the prayer collectively will probably change his clothes because he will not go to the mosque after this prayer. He will be dressed in home clothes. Therefore, if the last prayer before going to bed is considered as the Isha prayer, this is true. Otherwise, if it is said that a word that expresses evening as a time, if it is combined with the word prayer, it expresses a different time, Isha, it is obvious that this is wrong. In this verse, there is a supporting expression that the last obligatory prayer is the evening prayer. Anyone who searches for the meaning of the word "isha" in Arabic dictionaries will see that the word "isha" refers to "the time period from sunset to the darkness of night". As for,they are always advised to respect privacy and enter their parents' rooms with permission.)

The verse in which the time of the evening prayer is understood (11Hud Surah 114) is the verse we mentioned in the morning prayer. One of the prayers performed on both sides of the day is the morning prayer, and the other is the evening prayer, which is the symmetry of this prayer. The time of this prayer is likewise the time of night that is close to daytime. Apart from this verse, there is another verse that determines the time of the evening prayer

Pray from the sunset to the dark of the night. The Qur'an is witnessed at dawn (morning) and the Qur'an at dawn (morning).

17 Isra Surah 78

The darkening of the night gives the end time of the evening. With the disappearance of the signs of the light, the time of the evening prayer ends. In this case, too, the expression "sunset" determines the sun's setting on the horizon. Thus, the time between sunset and darkening of the night is indicated as prayer time. In the continuation of this verse, it is interesting to emphasize the time of the morning prayer, which is constantly accompanied by the evening prayer. However, this verse emphasizes reading the Qur'an in the morning, not the morning prayer. This means that special attention should be paid to reciting the Qur'an within or outside the time of the morning prayer. As you can see, evening and morning prayers are mentioned in the Qur'an with their names. Moreover, these names also express the time when the prayer will be performed. In addition, the time of morning and evening prayers is also explained. moreover, in the 58th verse of 24 Nur Surah, it is the first of the day in the morning,There is a sign that evening is the last prayer of the day.

VUSTA (MIDDLE, BEST) PRAYER

Verse 238 of Surat al-Baqara is shown as evidence for the Vusta prayer.

Protect the prayers. And the vusta (middle, best) prayer too.

2 Baccarat Surah 238

Apart from the verses in which we have deduced the times of morning and evening prayers and this verse, there is no verse from which prayer times can be deduced. It means that prayer times will be understood from these verses. When the prayer at one end of the day is the morning prayer and the prayer at the other end of the day is the evening prayer, it is necessary to search for the middle prayer in the middle of these two prayers. If we consider that in all cultures, the day begins with waking up, the night was created for us to rest, and that we wake up at night and pray only for our Prophet (17 Isra Surah 79), the middle prayer is the time remaining between the morning and evening prayers. Although there may be some who think that it is a prayer performed in the middle of the day, given the meaning of "middle" to the word "wusta", since there is no expression limiting this word, it is necessary to accept the entire time period between morning and evening as the time for this prayer.When the middle prayer is concluded from the word vusta prayer, the word "vusta" becomes the word that determines both the name of the prayer and the time period.

According to another view, it is said that the word "vusta" has the meaning of "the best", that this word does not indicate a prayer, and that the verse indicates that the prayers should be protected and performed in the best way. A study of the word “Vusta” will clarify this point. This word is also used in the verses of 2Baqara Surah 143, 5Maide Surah 89, 68Kalam Surah 28, 100Adiyat Sura 5. You can try to understand the word “vusta” by examining these verses.

As you can see, there is no statement in the Qur'an that prayer is five times a day. The length of the prayer, what to say in bowing and prostration are not mentioned in the Qur'an. In fact, it is not found in the hadiths whether the prayer is long or short, what to say in ruku' or prostration. It is not possible to explain the prayer described today even with fabricated hadiths. Many issues in prayer were formed entirely by the personal views of the founders of the sect. that the Prophet prayed both too long and too short; There are many hadiths about long bowing and long prostration.has. However, the sectarians defined the bows as three “Subhane rabbiyal azim” and the prostrations with three “Subhane rabbiyal ala” expressions, condemning their imitators to these expressions only, and limiting what Allah has set free unnecessarily. As it is understood from the Qur'an, it would be understandable if the hadiths were interpreted correctly, as it is understood from the Qur'an, that normally we should say certain expressions in bowing and prostration or not, that the duration of the prayer is left to one's personal opinion . Sects have frozen a free space with their own determination.

It does not follow from all the hadiths that the prayer is five times a day. It is understood from many hadiths that our Prophet performed prayers three times a day. In particular, Shiites base this on their own hadiths while performing the three daily prayers. We think that the fact that Shiites pray three times a day and combine the five prayers in these three times is due to an effort to find a middle way between the two schools. Nowhere in the Qur'an is there a mention of combining (cem). According to the Qur'an, prayer is obligatory at the times we specify. If you pray three times a day and pray five or twenty times in these three times, you will still pray three times.

Even if the person who will perform the night prayer says that he has combined the five daily prayers with the night prayer, he will have performed only one night prayer. Because the one who performs the prayer, which is obligatory, is not the number of rak'ahs performed, but the fact that it is performed at a certain time. Like the Shiites, the Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali sects of the Ahl as-Sunnah have also been very tolerant in combining prayers. Some thought for no reason, some thought that prayers could be combined even in heavy rain. That is, according to denominations; Those who say that the Prophet combined (combined) the five daily prayers in three times would be admitting that the prayer cannot be more than three times a day. The minimum of the prayer is as much as the obligatory prayers. It is quite natural to perform the prayer extra. Declaring five obligatory prayers is an interpretation of Sunni sects. If prayers were five times, their names and times would be known from the Qur'an.Is it possible that the time of a prayer that is obligatory for all Muslims is not specified in the Qur'an, while even a special, extra time for prayer is specified for the Prophet (Surah 17 Isra 79)? As seen from the previous verses, there are prayers that are clear in the Qur'an. Why should we think that prayers such as late afternoon and night prayers are obligatory? We guess that some people have made extra prayers obligatory in order to organize the rosary and dhikr activities in the verses about remembering Allah (remembering), glorifying Allah (glorifying, turning). It may be a good method to perform dhikr and rosary activities by praying, but it is unacceptable to make these times obligatory as Allah has not made them obligatory.Is it at all possible that the time of a prayer, which is obligatory for all Muslims, is not specified? As seen from the previous verses, there are prayers that are clear in the Qur'an. Why should we think that prayers such as late afternoon and night prayers are obligatory? We guess that some people have made extra prayers obligatory in order to organize the rosary and dhikr activities in the verses about remembering Allah (remembering), glorifying Allah (glorifying, turning). It can be a good method to perform dhikr and rosary activities by praying, but it is unacceptable to make these times obligatory as Allah has not made them obligatory.Is it at all possible that the time of a prayer, which is obligatory for all Muslims, is not specified? As seen from the previous verses, there are prayers that are clear in the Qur'an. Why should we think that prayers such as late afternoon and night prayers are obligatory? We guess that some people have made extra prayers obligatory in order to organize the rosary and dhikr activities in the verses about remembering Allah (remembering), glorifying Allah (glorifying, turning). It can be a good method to perform dhikr and rosary activities by praying, but it is unacceptable to make these times obligatory as Allah has not made them obligatory.The rosary in the verses related to glorifying Allah (glorifying, turning) has made extra prayers obligatory in order to organize the activities of dhikr. It can be a good method to perform dhikr and rosary activities by praying, but it is unacceptable to make these times obligatory as Allah has not made them obligatory.The rosary in the verses related to glorifying Allah (glorifying, turning) has made extra prayers obligatory in order to organize the activities of dhikr. It can be a good method to perform dhikr and rosary activities by praying, but it is unacceptable to make these times obligatory as Allah has not made them obligatory.

17 Therefore, when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning, the rosary (exaltation, turning) is for Allah.

18 praises are His. In heaven and on earth, at the end of the day, when you reach noon.

30 Rum Surah 17.18

IS THERE A QAZA PRAYER?

We would like to state once again that which prayers are obligatory is derived from the Qur'an. Fard prayers are the prayers that Allah compels us to perform every day within a certain time period. The Qur'an tells us in verse 103 of Surat an-Nisa that prayer is obligatory in time, Surah Mearic

In verse 23, he says that this fard must be observed throughout life. There is no concept of accident prayer in the Qur'an. The one who does not perform the prayer, who misses it, repents to Allah for this, and then continues to perform his prayers meticulously. Allah has told us to fast on other days as much as the number of days we do not fast, and opened the door for this. If God wanted, he would have done the same for prayer. That's why no one should mislead those who will start the prayer by saying that you need to make up for the prayer like this in the past.

Our aim in this article is to separate the obligatory prayer from the non-fard. Every prayer performed to remember Allah is acceptable. Prayer is performed five times a day, ten times, and forty times a day. The obligatory times of prayer indicate the lower limit that we have to, the upper limit is free. Our guess is that the sects saw the Companions who prayed more because of the freedom of this upper limit; They made the afternoon prayer, the night prayer, the witr prayer obligatory, they made it obligatory. If we tried to understand the obligatory prayers from the actions of individuals instead of understanding the obligatory prayers from the Qur'an, we would encounter many additional prayers such as the awwabin prayer, the morning prayer, and the kusuf prayer. After all, religion is only what is written in the Qur'an, in prayer, as in all other matters. Allah did not leave any shortcomings in His book.

As a matter of fact, in Hajj, pilgrims are led three times in prayer. While a lot of details are given in the Qur'an for Hajj (even what to do if one's hair is shortened due to illness), why is it not mentioned in the Qur'an to reduce the prayer times for Hajj? If prayer is obligatory five times a day, on what basis are pilgrims praying less?

WHAT IS THE FIVE TIME PRAYER BASED ON?

Even in the early years of Islam, it was defended by the Kharijites and Mutezile that the prayers are not five times a day, and that the afternoon and night prayers are not obligatory. The hadith invented by those who try to prove that prayer is necessarily five times a day is terrible. According to this hadith, which we have mentioned before, our Prophet appears before Allah on the ascension and Allah makes the prayer obligatory fifty times, then Hz. Our Prophet, who came across Moses, Hz. Musa warns that there are so many prayers and that the ummah cannot afford it. Then our Prophet asks Allah for a reduction, and Allah reduces the number of prayers. On the way, Hz. Again, Moses says that there are so many prayer times. This go and go so that the prayer takes place nine times until it is reduced to five times. As a matter of fact, when the number of prayers reaches five, Hz. Although Moses recommended the discount again, our Prophet was now ashamed (!) for the prayer discount stops. According to this hadith, Allah does not know how many times people can pray, and our Prophet is a poor person who does not know anything. Hz. Moses, on the other hand, is the mentor of our Prophet, the corrector of Allah's decree, and our savior. The story of making the prayer obligatory five times a day is based on such an unacceptable hadith. It is not based on the Qur'an that prayer is five times a day, but on such explanations, especially on this hadith. The fact that there are hadiths stating that prayers are performed only two times, morning and evening, before the Miraj (See Bukhari 1/93 Tecrid Translation 2/233, Hadith no 22 is proof that the times of prayer were increased by this "ascension hadith". If the prayers were performed as two times before, why are the three prayers added later not mentioned in the Qur'an? Only Surah Al-Baqara is 238 in the Qur'an.It can be claimed that the "middle prayer" was added later as the expression in the verse is used. Well 4,5. From which verse of the Qur'an will the afternoon and night prayers, which are prayers, be deduced, why are they not named in the Qur'an? (We have explained the expression that means middle prayer or the best prayer in Salati Vusta) Instead of such hadiths that slander Allah and our Prophet, those who seek the truth in the Qur'an will gain the necessary information about prayer. Those who are not content with the Qur'an and try to base their religious practices on fabricated hadiths will remain in illogicality, slanders and contradictions, as we have seen for example.Why are their names not in the Qur'an? (We have explained the expression that means middle prayer or the best prayer in Salati Vusta) Instead of such hadiths that slander Allah and our Prophet, those who seek the truth in the Qur'an will gain the necessary information about prayer. Those who are not content with the Qur'an and try to base their religious practices on fabricated hadiths will remain in illogicality, slanders and contradictions, as we have seen for example.Why are their names not in the Qur'an? (We have explained the expression that means middle prayer or the best prayer in Salati Vusta) Instead of such hadiths that slander Allah and our Prophet, those who seek the truth in the Qur'an will gain the necessary information about prayer. Those who are not content with the Qur'an and try to base their religious practices on fabricated hadiths will remain in illogicality, slanders and contradictions, as we have seen for example.

WHAT THE PRAYER CONTAINS

Prayer is an act of worship to remember (remember) Allah (20 Surah Taha 14). However, unlike the remembrance of Allah, prayer is made obligatory at certain times, it must be performed with wudu, and it includes certain movements. Prayer is such a worship that it is performed even during war. In the 102nd verse of Surat an-Nisa, we see that one group performs prayers and the other group keeps watch in case of war. After prostrating, the other group takes the place of the first group and performs its prayer. Here, we see that even in a situation where there is a danger of war, prayers are performed including prostration (prostration is the most vulnerable state of the person), but this is done in turns, without laying down weapons and without giving the enemy a chance. If the obligatory prayer is performed like this even in war, the resurrection of the prayer at the normal time,The importance of performing ruku and prostration is better understood.

From the Qur'an (14Ibrahim Surah 40) the prayer of Hz. We understand that it is a worship that has existed since Abraham. Hz. Even the pagans, who captured the Kaaba, Abraham's house of worship, and who were partners to Allah, used to perform the prayer in a perverse way (Surat al-Anfal, 35). The Qur'an states that previous generations also abandoned their prayer habits as a result of following their lusts (Surah 19 Maryam 59). That is, in the time of our Prophet, when prayer was called "salat", people understood what the prayer was and its actions. Just as today, when prayer is mentioned, even people who do not pray understand the movements of prayer, turning to Allah and worshiping. There are three words in the Qur'an that mean moving worship. These are “qiyam (standing)”, “ruku (bending)”, “prostration (downturning)”. The position of the Prophet Abraham as a place of prayer in the Qur'an,Keeping the house clean is enough (Surat al-Baqara, 125). In the 26th verse of Surah 22-Hajj, it is ordered to keep the house clean for those who stand up, bow down and prostrate, thus showing what the three movements of prayer are all together.

The most important part and feature of the prayer is the remembrance of Allah in the prayer. As a matter of fact, we understand from the 14th verse of Surah 20Taha that the purpose of performing the prayer is to remember Allah. In the Qur'an, there is no mention of reading the Qur'an in prayer. But when the Qur'an is being introduced to us, it is said that the Qur'an is "dhikr", that is, a reminder. Thus, we realize that our guide is the Qur'an when we pray, pray and invoke Allah. For example, Allah's forgiveness, mercy, creation of everything, paradise, hell, the eternity of knowledge are all learned from the Qur'an. We know that we are in front of a merciful and forgiving God, we remember (remember) God accordingly, and we turn to God accordingly. In other words, we do not have to read the Quran in Arabic in prayer. because there is no command to read the Qur'an in prayer,How to understand that it is necessary to read the Quran in Arabic? But when we remember Allah in prayer, we use the information in the Qur'an. For example, we do not necessarily need to say "Kul huvallahu ahad" in Arabic.

hawk99

a feature of the prayer is the remembrance of Allah in the prayer. As a matter of fact, we understand from the 14th verse of Surah 20Taha that the purpose of performing the prayer is to remember Allah. In the Qur'an, there is no mention of reading the Qur'an in prayer. But when the Qur'an is being introduced to us, it is said that the Qur'an is "dhikr", that is, a reminder. Thus, we realize that our guide is the Qur'an when we pray, pray and invoke Allah. For example, Allah's forgiveness, mercy, creation of everything, paradise, hell, the eternity of knowledge are all learned from the Qur'an. We know that we are in front of a merciful and forgiving God, we remember (remember) God accordingly, and we turn to God accordingly. In other words, we do not have to read the Quran in Arabic in prayer. because there is no command to read the Qur'an in prayer,How to understand that it is necessary to read the Quran in Arabic? But when we remember Allah in prayer, we use the information in the Qur'an. For example, we do not necessarily need to say "Kul huvallahu ahad" in Arabic.

Insightful, thanks.

peace

Fusion

Insightful, thanks.

peace

Well said because I always wonder how a converted would offer prayers in Arabic.
Wanted to further understand how to reconcile what you both affirmed with the understanding of the following verse

7320
, your Lord is well aware that you sometimes spend nearly two-thirds of the night at prayer––sometimes half, sometimes a third––as do some of your followers. God determines the division of night and day. He knows that you will not be able to keep a measure of it and He has relented towards all of you, so recite as much of the Quran as is easy for you. He knows that some of you will be sick, some of you travelling through the land seeking God’s bounty, some of you fighting in God’s way recite as much as is easy for you, keep up the prayer, pay the prescribed alms, and make God a good loan. Whatever good you store up for yourselves will be improved and increased for you. Ask God for His forgiveness, He is most forgiving, most merciful.

Thank you

Euphoric

WHAT IS THE FIVE TIME PRAYER BASED ON?

Even in the early years of Islam, it was defended by the Kharijites and Mutezile that the prayers are not five times a day, and that the afternoon and night prayers are not obligatory.

Salaamun alaikum,

Could you give a reference and full quote if possible to this?

Wakas

Salaamun alaikum,

Could you give a reference and full quote if possible to this?

Something similar here
http//islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html

The Development Of Islamic Ritual
Editor G. R. Hawting
Excellent articles about salat (called 'prayer&#039 in early Islam
www.scribd.com/doc/37518694/Uri-Rubin-Morning-and-Evening-Prayers-in-early-Islam-by-muslims
http//urirubin.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Morningreduced.86230109.pdf

centi50

Salam to all

My understanding of salat as a ritual is based on 1 question why would God tell us to perform a physical thing like ablution for a spiritual salat(no rituals)

In regards to how many salat I know of 3 which I found in Quran Fajr wusta and eisha.

Fajr to me is before the sunrise
Eisha to me is night darkness
Wusta to me is noon

I do standing reciting the quran
While in bowing I praise and gloryfy my lord who the one God whom I believe created everything.

In sujud I gloryfy again my lord and ask him anything I want. Like Eg oh my lord I ask you to guide me to worship you alone and not leave me on my own. I ask you for protection from Satan who misguide human beings and jinn.

Then I sit down folding my legs just as traditionalist do. Then also I glorify him and ask whatever I want.

I talk to my lord during siting and prostrating.

I end my salat by saying alhamdullilah lilah rabil alameen

That's it, now if u ask me how many ritual prayer I take I say a minimum of 3

If someone wants do 100 thats him I don't see anything wrong with that.

I also gloryfy him not during prayer time only

I do it my heart.

Sometimes I wake up during the night and I gloryfy him and read Quran and talk to him also asking him what I want

Quran alone Muslims have different views on salat and everyone will prove his case from Quran.

At the end its you to decide. I don't condone who is right who is wrong in salat interpretation.

May God guide us all to right path

God bless you all

ade_cool

I like to have an understanding of the following verses if salat is NOT an established ritual.

629-10 (i believe it is quite evident that it means group prayer in a prescribed place)
O you who have faith! When the call is made for prayer on Friday, hurry toward the remembrance of God, and leave all business. That is better for you, should you know. And when the prayer is finished, disperse through the land and seek God's grace, and remember God greatly so that you may be successful.

Salam Fusion,

There is no such thing as Friday prayer. The simple reason is the name "Friday" assigned to one of the day in a week is arbitrary. Furthermore, a week is not always 7 days. We just happen to follow the consensus that one week has seven days and one of the days we call it "Friday" but it could have been different and the consensus can change as well in the future.

For more details, please check this out
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611471.msg433724#msg433724

How can we say that the so called Friday prayer is commanded by God in Quran when we know for sure, it is our own/human consensus to call one particular day in a week as "Friday"?

Wassalam

Fusion

Salam Fusion,

There is no such thing as Friday prayer. The simple reason is the name "Friday" assigned to one of the day in a week is arbitrary. Furthermore, a week is not always 7 days. We just happen to follow the consensus that one week has seven days and one of the days we call it "Friday" but it could have been different and the consensus can change as well in the future.

For more details, please check this out
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611471.msg433724#msg433724

How can we say that the so called Friday prayer is commanded by God in Quran when we know for sure, it is our own/human consensus to call one particular day in a week as "Friday"?

Wassalam

Thank you for your reply. Your strong statements made me speechless, I do not know what to believe any more.
I understand that hadiths are mostly fabricated, however historically what were the prophet and his companions doing in terms of prayers and days of the week esp Friday. I mean Quran and Islam were actually started with the prophet and the his companions followed and then after 200 years some one decided to write books called hadiths to explain the lives and calls of the prophet and his followers. Which means essentially we will never know how the prophet and his companions have understood Quran and how they have followed it in their lives.

Added later.
What am trying to understand is that during the course of Quran being sent down to the prophet, the people then, did they follow the Quran as the traditional Muslims believe or they followed as you and some of the folks who followed and understand Quran the way as seen in many posts here? In the later case, these Muslims may not be doing rituals or Friday prayers and so on.. the point is leave hadiths.. are there no historical evidences to reflect the lives of Arabs during the time of prophet ( from following message in essence). Now one can not completely reject hadiths as that would be naive, especially where historic incidents are mentioned. Why because we have evidences of early Arabs shaping the Islamic world through conquests and surely you may argue that islam never asked to to indulge in such forcing the religion as institution but then it means one thing that people who lived with the prophet also taken Quran literally and followed it wrongly similar to what Muslims have done so far in majority. Your thoughts pls

Cheers

jkhan

Thank you for your reply. Your strong statements made me speechless, I do not know what to believe any more.
I understand that hadiths are mostly fabricated, however historically what were the prophet and his companions doing in terms of prayers and days of the week esp Friday. I mean Quran and Islam were actually started with the prophet and the his companions followed and then after 200 years some one decided to write books called hadiths to explain the lives and calls of the prophet and his followers. Which means essentially we will never know how the prophet and his companions have understood Quran and how they have followed it in their lives.

Added later.
What am trying to understand is that during the course of Quran being sent down to the prophet, the people then, did they follow the Quran as the traditional Muslims believe or they followed as you and some of the folks who followed and understand Quran the way as seen in many posts here? In the later case, these Muslims may not be doing rituals or Friday prayers and so on.. the point is leave hadiths.. are there no historical evidences to reflect the lives of Arabs during the time of prophet ( from following message in essence). Now one can not completely reject hadiths as that would be naive, especially where historic incidents are mentioned. Why because we have evidences of early Arabs shaping the Islamic world through conquests and surely you may argue that islam never asked to to indulge in such forcing the religion as institution but then it means one thing that people who lived with the prophet also taken Quran literally and followed it wrongly similar to what Muslims have done so far in majority. Your thoughts pls

Cheers

Peace fusion..

Quran itself a hadith book.. Hadith books other than of God is not necessary for our salvation coz it is human imagination... That's so fragile..
If you need to know history and if read hadith books, that won't give you a clear picture... Coz hadiths are mostly fantasy.. Ancient history is always mystry.. So don't hunt yo research how Mohamed and his companion prayed..

Mohamed didn't know how Isa OR musa OR Ibrahim prayed.. Mohamed was not given anything other than this Quran to perform his Salat.. If he found a way to perform salat within this same book then why others cannot find a way.. Unless meaning of Arabic drastically changed compared to what they understood then anf what we understand now with modern Arabic..
Anyhow salat is to remember God and applaud or rather praise God... It is needless to explain step by step how to praise the creator.. Unless a d otherwise detailed in Quran.. Take it simple.. Just praise your Lord.. God is is merciful.. He won't discard your prayers..

hawk99

Well said because I always wonder how a converted would offer prayers in Arabic.
Wanted to further understand how to reconcile what you both affirmed with the understanding of the following verse

7320
, your Lord is well aware that you sometimes spend nearly two-thirds of the night at prayer––sometimes half, sometimes a third––as do some of your followers. God determines the division of night and day. He knows that you will not be able to keep a measure of it and He has relented towards all of you, so recite as much of the Quran as is easy for you. He knows that some of you will be sick, some of you travelling through the land seeking God’s bounty, some of you fighting in God’s way recite as much as is easy for you, keep up the prayer, pay the prescribed alms, and make God a good loan. Whatever good you store up for yourselves will be improved and increased for you. Ask God for His forgiveness, He is most forgiving, most merciful.

Thank you

Peace Fusion

The beautiful ayat of 7320 addressed to Muhammad and the rest of us noting
Muhammads great devotion to our creator is an inspiration to us all and we devotees
should do our best to be in contact with our lord for our benefit and understand
the reward that comes with such devotion.

Indeed, your Lord knows, , that you stand almost two
thirds of the night or half of it or a third of it, and a group of those with you. And Allah
determines the night and the day. He has known that you will not be
able to do it and has turned to you in forgiveness, so recite what is easy of the Qur'an.
He has known that there will be among you those who are ill and others traveling throughout
the land seeking of the bounty of Allah and others fighting for the cause of Allah.
So recite what is easy from it and establish prayer and give zakah and loan Allah a goodly loan.
And whatever good you put forward for yourselves - you will find it with Allah. It is better and
greater in reward. And seek forgiveness of Allah. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

God bless you

Euphoric

Something similar here
http//islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html

The Development Of Islamic Ritual
Editor G. R. Hawting
Excellent articles about salat (called 'prayer&#039 in early Islam
www.scribd.com/doc/37518694/Uri-Rubin-Morning-and-Evening-Prayers-in-early-Islam-by-muslims
http//urirubin.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Morningreduced.86230109.pdf

Thanks, any references to khawarij and mutazilah?

Athar2022

Quran

3321 Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often.

480 He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.

ade_cool

Salam Fusion,

Thank you for your reply. Your strong statements made me speechless, I do not know what to believe any more.

Sorry for late reply ...Regarding "strong statements" actually I was just stating the fact that "Friday" is just a name given to a particular day in our current human consensus 7 day per week and hence we cannot say it is God's command to perform Friday prayer.

I understand that hadiths are mostly fabricated,

Yes, sahih hadith books are massively corrupted and highly unreliable as representative of what God's messenger taught us.

however historically what were the prophet and his companions doing in terms of prayers and days of the week esp Friday.

If we already understand that "Friday" is arbitrary by human consensus, then one thing for sure is the so called Friday prayer cannot be God's command as it would mean we are "forcing" God to follow our human consensus. Please note that I am not saying it is wrong to follow human consensus of 7 day per week. The wrong part is when we attribute holiness to one of the day in a week (Friday).

I mean Quran and Islam were actually started with the prophet and the his companions followed

Islam is commonly understood as a label of specific religion which was started with prophet Muhammad.

Verily, the religion with God is Islam, and those who were given the Book did not dispute except after the knowledge came to them out of jealousy between them. And whoever rejects the revelations of God, then God is swift in reckoning.

The problem with taking Islam as label of specific religion started with prophet Muhammad is it creates a lot of disputes regarding what Islam is since Sunni, Shia, Ibadi, Ahmadiya, etc are all claiming that their religion is Islam. Even some terrorists are claiming that their religion is Islam. This is in contrast with 319 in which we are told by God that those who were given The Book dispute only after knowledge came to them.

Since Quran is in Arabic, we should translate the word Islam in 319.

Verily, the system with God is peacemaking, and those who were given the Book did not dispute except after the knowledge came to them out of jealousy between them. And whoever rejects the revelations of God, then God is swift in reckoning.

Now we have a better understanding of 319. God is telling us that what we are obligated to do is peacemaking. So if we say that peacemaking is what we are obligated to do, then nobody will dispute it. Those who were given The Book will agree that indeed peacemaking is our obligation. But the moment we tell those who were given The Book that Islam is peacemaking, then they will start disputing out of jealousy (sunni will be disputing that Islam is all about following sahih hadith books, shia will be disputing that Islam is all about following divinely appointed imams, etc - other than this is not Islam). They are jealous because Islam as peacemaking turns out to be universal concept which God makes obligation to every single human (and not started with prophet Muhammad - the obligation has always been there). They are jealous because this would mean their group no longer becomes "the favourite" in God's side.

This understanding that Islam is peacemaking fits perfectly in all occurrences of word Islam in Quran.

and then after 200 years some one decided to write books called hadiths to explain the lives and calls of the prophet and his followers. Which means essentially we will never know how the prophet and his companions have understood Quran and how they have followed it in their lives.

Sahih hadith books are books that prophet Muhammad never want us to read. Prophet Muhammad is victorious so his enemies could not prevent him from writing "Sahih Prophet Muhammad". Reading "Sahih Prophet Muhammad" which is written, authorized, verified, and circulated by the prophet Muhammad himself would be much more valid than reading sahih hadith books which are hearsay, written only around 200 years after the demise of the prophet, and never authorized by the prophet himself. Yet, the fact remains prophet Muhammad only left Quran. Then why are seeking books that prophet Muhammad himself never want us to read?

Added later.
What am trying to understand is that during the course of Quran being sent down to the prophet, the people then, did they follow the Quran as the traditional Muslims believe or they followed as you and some of the folks who followed and understand Quran the way as seen in many posts here? In the later case, these Muslims may not be doing rituals or Friday prayers and so on.. the point is leave hadiths.. are there no historical evidences to reflect the lives of Arabs during the time of prophet ( from following message in essence). Now one can not completely reject hadiths as that would be naive, especially where historic incidents are mentioned. Why because we have evidences of early Arabs shaping the Islamic world through conquests and surely you may argue that islam never asked to to indulge in such forcing the religion as institution but then it means one thing that people who lived with the prophet also taken Quran literally and followed it wrongly similar to what Muslims have done so far in majority. Your thoughts pls

And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet-human and Jinn devils-to inspire each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

Let's not forget that we are commanded to disregard their fabrications.

When God commands us to disregard their fabrications, there must be reason behind it.

By disregarding sahih hadith books, actually I can learn much more from sahih hadith books compared to when I regard them. To illustrate this, if I regard hearsay as hearsay then I can learn a lot what the hearsay is trying to achieve, the context surrounding the hearsay, what the hearsay is trying to distort, what is the motive to fabricate the hearsay, etc. But when I regard hearsay as true information then it would lead me to wrong conclusion.

Wassalam,

ade_cool

Salam Athar2022,

Quran

3321 Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often.

480 He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.

Agree with the verses you quoted.

What Sunnis usually fail to understand is the excellent example is not supposed to be found in sahih hadith books. From sahih hadith books, actually I can show many horrible examples of "the messenger of Allah".

Emre_1974tr

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611629.0

Athar2022

I just quoted the Orders of Almighty, did not say anything else, lets not impose our thinking on others, lets follow the Quran with an open mind

Here are the verses again, very clear

Quran

3321 Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often.

480 He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.

good_logic

Peace ade_cool

Indeed the verses are telling us most of what we need to know

3321 says we should follow the example of the messenger in having hope in Allah and remember Allah often i.e follow the message he brought.

480 says to obey the messenger is to obey Allah and to obey Allah is to follow the message from Allah he brought. i.e Qoran.

Delivering the Quran was such a momentous and noble mission that the Prophet did not have any time to do anything else. Moreover, the Prophet was enjoined in the strongest words from issuing any religious teachings besides the Quran (6938-47). He was even enjoined from explaining the Quran (7515-19) - God is the only teacher of the Quran (551-2) and the Quran is the best Hadith (3923 & 456).

These Quranic facts are manifested in the historical reality that the words and actions (Hadith & Sunna) attributed to the Prophet did not appear until many years after his death. The Quran has prophesied the fabrication of Hadith and Sunna by the Prophet's enemies (6112-115). The Quran teaches us that it was God's will to permit the invention of Hadith and Sunna to serve as criteria for exposing those who hijack GOD s authority and follow other than the message of Allah Alone.
Or did the prophet leave books of hadiths and sunna to be written down as well as qoran?

As for idolising the prophet, did Allah order it? where? I cannot find it but I can find what the prophet will say

The messenger* said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Athar2022

Ya Allah guide us to the right path,
The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have earned Your anger or of those who are astray.
Aameen.

Please read the Original text that is in Arabic, Alhamdulillah, if Allah had not preserved this Book, people would have changed it according to their needs, May Allah save us all from deviation, specially myself first, Aameen.

Quran 3321
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا (٢١)

Quran 480
مَّن يُطِعِ ٱلرَّسُولَ فَقَدۡ أَطَاعَ ٱللَّهَ‌ۖ وَمَن تَوَلَّىٰ فَمَآ أَرۡسَلۡنَـٰكَ عَلَيۡهِمۡ حَفِيظً۬ا (٨٠)

Ya Allah guide us all to the straight path,
correct me where I am wrong and correct others where they are, Aameen.

The words "Atee-Allah-wa-Atee-ur-Rasul" "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger" are repeated again and again in the Quran.

"Obey Allah AND obey the Messenger"

good_logic

Why did GOD not say to obey the "nabi"/prophet in Qoran?
It is always obey the messenger!

If we ponder all the verses properly we find that there is a very good reason.
The Nabi/prophet can only be messenger when he is delivering the message but he is a nabi even when not delivering a message in between.If there was no message to deliver, he will not be the messenger.So the messenger only delivers the message of GOD..i.e GOD s words not his own words. GOD s messenger has only the message of GOD not his message or anyone else s .

So what is GOD s message to us? Men s books or GOD s book?
Is GOD s message not Qoran only?

So obey the messenger is obey the message of GOD only.

GOD is always precise and accurate..

When GOD wants us to obey any authority, it is on everyday social matters like parents experts,etc... not for our salvation. GOD is the only authority for our deen/salvation that is why he wants us to obey only the message /Qoran brought by the messenger.
GOD bless.
Peace.

Athar2022

Salam,

Hope you are doing good by the grace of Allah, Insha-Allah.

-The question here is why not just "Obey Allah" and why "Obey Allah AND Obey the Messenger" ?
-Why Quran orders that in the life of the Prophet (S.A.W.W.) we have an excellent example to follow ?

Coming to the topic "Rituals Prayers Methods - how to perform"
There are orders in the Quran
Quran 243
Bow down with those who bow down.
Quran 1587
And We have certainly given you, , seven of the often repeated and the great Quran.
Quran 3356
Surely, Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, do pray Allah to bless him, and send your Salam to him in abundance.

We have been offering Salah behind Rasul-Allah(S.A.W.W) from the beginning.
The Prophet stood (Qiyam), did the Ruku (bowing down), did the Sajdah (prostration).

So many sects in Islam, not a single of them denies it, NONE.
There are Christians who deny the Trinity but No Muslim denies the practice of Salah, there maybe a slight variation but the general rules are the same.
The order on Salah has been repeated again and again in the Quran.

Now ponder upon this Verse of the Quran (very very important)
The word Dua in Quran stands for praying, Salah stands for the Worship of Allah.

Quran 1440
رَبِّ ٱجۡعَلۡنِى مُقِيمَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةِ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِى‌ۚ رَبَّنَا وَتَقَبَّلۡ دُعَآءِ (٤٠)
My Lord, make me steadfast in Salah, and my offspring as well. And, Our Lord, grant my Dua.

1440, I will remember these numbers now for the rest of my life Insha-Allah, there are 1440 minutes in 24 hours, Subhan-Allah.