Does quran says humans think by heart?
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Peace hawk, i know what you want to say, you want to say its a metaphor and simile?
This would be true if those things wasnt there, as jkhan said, in so many place qalb came with eyes and ears, which they arent metaphors, it doesnt make sense that 1/3 of these are metaphors in this verse
Also in 2246, in addition to thing that i mentioned above, it says that qalbs which are in sadrs(chests?) , it cant be metaphor, or simile, cuz it says فی الصدور , it talks about the location…also in verse about embryology it says that God gave you hearing, seeing and fawad, it cant be metaphor .
And also origin of all of the experssions you mentioned above is because of the ancient belief that humans think with their hearts.when i say this experssions, the person that i talk with knows that i know that we think with our brain, but in quran the word for brain=دماغ isnt even mentioned,
Peace
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Peace, its not about what majority says, its all about evidence , and proven science, not theory, One can believe in God and not accept quran, thats why jews and christians who have 3 parameters will not be sad according to what Quran says, and remember brother if a book says something opposite to whats proven science says,its the error of the book, not proven science , cuz creator of this science for sure, 100% is God, but humans can write a book too, but i insist that its poor understanding/translation
Because of the Mercy and help of God, im Medical student, so its not about blindly following what others says, if you doubt about that heart thinks or not,stop making funny theories and study science, i dont say that blindly follow what A,B,C says, just study yourself.
EditAre you flat earther too?!
You are lost in no man's land brother Mahdi..
I understand you in this manner.. You say God does exist and still you can be a believer and achieve success hereafter by rejecting all books that claim to be from God..
For example 7179 is clear.. Three organs and their main functions are clarified.. But for you based on science heart doesn't do the duty of understanding /perceiving.. So this book cannot be from God the creator but human invention or it is interpreted wrong.. It is not interpreted wrong but it is manifest..
One can be a Muslim without a God revealed book.. But one cannot maintain faith and become a believer a d muththakun without God's direct guidance.. Guidance through messengers that is to say without God's explanation literally..
One should know what happens if I do this and what happens if I avoid this.. All these explanations are in God's book then only a muslim cultivate himself to the level of believer and beyond..
But you say these books are lies.. Are you or not ?
So for a second let me come in your path.. Okay I believe in God like you believe.. So we are submitters.. Okay dude.. Cool..
What happens to me after death? Do you speculate OR you have your own senses..
Let me put differently.. I want to marry 10 women... Would you pls advise me what to do without book.. Is it okay if I do so? Is it our own wish or need to obey God.. If so how without a book?
So what is the gauranttee being good will take me to a place which is pleasant after death.. So I can live as my mind wishes and still expect some superior power would accept my behaviour.. Why believe in a superior power in the first place if that superior power failed to give the guidance in clear cut way..Your philosophy is erroneous and cannot be applicable dude..
Just accept the book.. Scientists are human and they have not proved anything with clarity that brain is the reason for one to cry..
One challenged me recently Education can change the world.. No way.. Education merely cabnot change but heart should develop to become a human being..
Take it or leave.. Your way will not take you anywhere but loss.. -
I'm already reading the whole paragraph together. And the Qur'an says that the thinking organ is the brain.
When you read the verses together, this picture emerges. I also have a Turkish article about it.
The thinking organ is the brain, according to God.
Peace
Yes, when we read the paragraph in its entirety, we clearly see that the thinking organ is the brain. The Qur'an clearly states this.
But it also refers to the heart, all organs, even all our cells and even inanimate objects. The mind is concentrated in the densest brain, but in general, there is consciousness in all our cells and even in the entire universe. Even the universes created by Allah are like living organisms.
Peace
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Peace jkhan, knowing of Good and Evil are in our genetic code, even quran agree with this right?i think its in surah al-shams, religious books and moral books are just a reminder, there are so many atheists who do good works/ charity why they do this? Cuz its in our genetics. There are so many animals which sacrifice their livesfor saving others, why they are doing this? Cuz according to their genetics they know that saving other lifes are good jobs, and we are no more than upgraded version of this animals, we are all result of an single cell mitosis, read chapter 4 verse 1 .
Peace emre
U said there is consciousness in all our cells and even in the entire universe
Wrong, unless you explain consciousness by another way that we usually explain, nobody think(تعقل) by his/her liver, nor by his hand, nor by his heart,
Still not mentioning of word BRAIN/دماغ/مخ in quran(unless you translate qalb as brain) , the verse you mentioned arent referring to brain, look at the interpretations of un-modern books, the explanaition you provided are a modern one which is after knowing the function if brain/frontal lobe, for more details Go read muhammad asad explaination of this verse by arabs language, which isnt reffering to frontal lobe of course.
Peace
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Peace jkhan, knowing of Good and Evil are in our genetic code, even quran agree with this right?i think its in surah al-shams, religious books and moral books are just a reminder, there are so many atheists who do good works/ charity why they do this? Cuz its in our genetics. There are so many animals which sacrifice their livesfor saving others, why they are doing this? Cuz according to their genetics they know that saving other lifes are good jobs, and we are no more than upgraded version of this animals, we are all result of an single cell mitosis, read chapter 4 verse 1 .
Peace emre
U said there is consciousness in all our cells and even in the entire universe
Wrong, unless you explain consciousness by another way that we usually explain, nobody think(تعقل) by his/her liver, nor by his hand, nor by his heart,
Still not mentioning of word BRAIN/دماغ/مخ in quran(unless you translate qalb as brain) , the verse you mentioned arent referring to brain, look at the interpretations of un-modern books, the explanaition you provided are a modern one which is after knowing the function if brain/frontal lobe, for more details Go read muhammad asad explaination of this verse by arabs language, which isnt reffering to frontal lobe of course.
Peace
No, the verses clearly refer to the brain organ. What is it to you and what is it to me from other people's statements?
Just read the Quran and study it yourself.
The Qur'an speaks clearly and clearly about the brain organ. Let only the Quran be your source.
Read the paragraph in its entirety.
Peace
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No, the verses clearly refer to the brain organ. What is it to you and what is it to me from other people's statements?
Just read the Quran and study it yourself.
The Qur'an speaks clearly and clearly about the brain organ. Let only the Quran be your source.
Read the paragraph in its entirety.
Peace
Peace, maybe its the problem of the translation i use,
Even if it says the frontal lobe, it doesnt solve my problem, my problem is why Quran says heart thinks
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There are some researchers that believe there is a two way connection between the heart and the brain and the human heart has a mind of its own. And these connections are not based on theories, but actual scientific experiments.
But in order to have a mind we have to be able to think, and for that we need neurons. It was once thought that the only organ in the human body to have neurons was the brain, but now we know this is not true.
We assume that the brain is controlling our emotions, but Professor David Paterson, Ph.D. at Oxford University, disputes this. He says that the brain is not the only organ that produces emotions. This is because the heart actually contains neurons similar to those in the brain, and these fire in conjunction with the brain. The heart and the brain are therefore connected
When your heart receives signals from the brain via the sympathetic nerves, it pumps faster. And when it receives signals through the parasympathetic nerves, it slows down,
says Paterson.
Neurons are associated with thought processes in the brain, but highly specialized ones have been found situated on the right ventricle surface of the heart. It begs the question, what are thought process neurons doing in an organ that pushes blood around our body?
These heart neurons can think for themselves.
In an experiment, a piece of right ventricle from a rabbit, where these specialized neurons have been found, is placed in a tank with oxygen and nutrients. The piece of heart manages to beat on its own, despite being unattached, suspended and having no blood flowing through it. When Professor Paterson shocks the heart tissue it immediately slows down this beating. Professor Paterson believes that is a direct decision made by the neurons as they respond to the impulse.
The heart also affects your mind
n a final test in the film, Someone looks at images, some neutral and some frightened. Some are synced in time to his heartbeat, and others are not. The results revealed that when he saw the frightened images in sync with his heartbeat he perceived them as being ‘more intensely frightened’ than when he saw them out of sync.This would suggest that his heartbeat is affecting his mind, and processed a greater reaction in connection with the images and the heartbeat. During the test, researchers mapped the exact area of the brain that was affected by the heart, which was the amygdala.
The amygdala is known as the fight or flight brain structure and processes fear reactions, alongside signals from the heart. In this experiment, however, it is the human heart that is affecting the brain in the first instance.
However, there are still some scientists that argue having neurons in the heart does not make it a thinking organ. There are also neurons in the spinal cord and the nervous system, but they do not have minds either.
Science is still finding out many things we need to know better.
GOD bless you.
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Yes my brother metaphors, similes, idioms, parables, similitudes and stories are used to convey meanings. yes
And also origin of all of the expressions you mentioned above is because of the ancient belief that
humans think with their hearts.when i say this experssions, the person that i talk with knows that i
know that we think with our brain, but in quran the word for brain=دماغ isnt even mentioned,Peace
Wow Mahdi20 here you are making my point for me how generous of you!
The Quran is such an ancient text. handshakeFa-Kaf-Ra = thought upon it, considered it in order to obtain a clear knowledge of it, examined it mentally,
to employ the mind, having much thought, reflect.Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or on their sides and give thought (brain)
to the creation of the heavens and the earth, , "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly;
exalted are You; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire.If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth,
and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue,
or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs;
So relate the story; perchance they may reflect (brain)Sometimes literal interpretations can mislead us reading Quran.
{Will they not, then, ponder over this Qur’an? – or are there locks
upon their hearts?} (Quran 4724)
{So, have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by
which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts.} (Quran 2246)In the two verses quoted above, the word “hearts” stands for the ability to understand, to analyze,
and to apply logic and reason. Here too the Quranic use of the word “heart” does not signify
the physical organ in our chest.It stands for reasoning power, analytical acumen, logical faculty, and such other capabilities
usually associated with the “mind”.The function of the brain and the heart as discovered by medical science is concerned with the
human body and it has little relevance to the hearts mentioned by the Quran.{Then your hearts became hardened after that, being like stones or even harder.} (Quran 274)
The word “heart” in the above verses does not actually mean the organ that we call the heart in our
chest, but it stands metaphorically for our mental disposition or behavior.C'mon brother have a heart. peace
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Peace Mahdi20.
All I am saying is that Scientist are still researching the connection and the role of both the brain and the heart and the role of many other organs of our amazing body.
You say science has proved hat only the brain alone does all the thinking and controls all our emotions and other organs have no connection to our behavioural patterns. I am saying science is still researching the role of many organs.
I am not discussing specific Qoran or saying to you the heart is the main organ that does our thinking or that it has nothing to do with our thinking at all eitherHope you see the issue I am asking you to ponder.
Brother Hawk gave you another line of thought, which I agree with as Qoran uses either or both literal or abstract meaning. So it is up to you what to make of Qoran according to your own scrutiny /study.
For me it could br both as often science finds a lot of corrections and new facts as we are progressing with our search.
GOD bless you.
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There are some researchers that believe there is a two way connection between the heart and the brain and the human heart has a mind of its own. And these connections are not based on theories, but actual scientific experiments.
But in order to have a mind we have to be able to think, and for that we need neurons. It was once thought that the only organ in the human body to have neurons was the brain, but now we know this is not true.
We assume that the brain is controlling our emotions, but Professor David Paterson, Ph.D. at Oxford University, disputes this. He says that the brain is not the only organ that produces emotions. This is because the heart actually contains neurons similar to those in the brain, and these fire in conjunction with the brain. The heart and the brain are therefore connected
When your heart receives signals from the brain via the sympathetic nerves, it pumps faster. And when it receives signals through the parasympathetic nerves, it slows down,
says Paterson.
Neurons are associated with thought processes in the brain, but highly specialized ones have been found situated on the right ventricle surface of the heart. It begs the question, what are thought process neurons doing in an organ that pushes blood around our body?
These heart neurons can think for themselves.
In an experiment, a piece of right ventricle from a rabbit, where these specialized neurons have been found, is placed in a tank with oxygen and nutrients. The piece of heart manages to beat on its own, despite being unattached, suspended and having no blood flowing through it. When Professor Paterson shocks the heart tissue it immediately slows down this beating. Professor Paterson believes that is a direct decision made by the neurons as they respond to the impulse.
The heart also affects your mind
n a final test in the film, Someone looks at images, some neutral and some frightened. Some are synced in time to his heartbeat, and others are not. The results revealed that when he saw the frightened images in sync with his heartbeat he perceived them as being ‘more intensely frightened’ than when he saw them out of sync.This would suggest that his heartbeat is affecting his mind, and processed a greater reaction in connection with the images and the heartbeat. During the test, researchers mapped the exact area of the brain that was affected by the heart, which was the amygdala.
The amygdala is known as the fight or flight brain structure and processes fear reactions, alongside signals from the heart. In this experiment, however, it is the human heart that is affecting the brain in the first instance.
However, there are still some scientists that argue having neurons in the heart does not make it a thinking organ. There are also neurons in the spinal cord and the nervous system, but they do not have minds either.
Science is still finding out many things we need to know better.
GOD bless you.
peace.Peace Good Logic,
This topic isnt a topic for proving that heart beats, and this isnot the forum for discussing these matters, as i said before, if you want to learn science go study reliable books, not these funny articles from internet brother, my goal for posting this toping isnt to learn that what heart does or not.
I doubt that a professor says that “neurons think” , in one part of articles it said that heart beat even without being attached to brain or etc, this “professor” if he is 100% knows that its because why, around 1% percent of our heart cells create a system that create pulse and heartbeats, Nervous system only increase/desreace heartbeat, but it doesnt mean that heart thinks brother, when we were embryo, 100% of the heart cells had this abillity, but both me and you know that a 1 month embryo and etc cant think ) btw our nervous system and brain evolves and after this embryo begin to learn things, for example sounds i think.
Btw as i said my goal for posting this isnt to know that heart thinks, and i want to say again if you want to learn science, go read reliable sources my dear brother
God bless you, peace
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Yes my brother metaphors, similes, idioms, parables, similitudes and stories are used to convey meanings. yes
Wow Mahdi20 here you are making my point for me how generous of you!
The Quran is such an ancient text. handshakeFa-Kaf-Ra = thought upon it, considered it in order to obtain a clear knowledge of it, examined it mentally,
to employ the mind, having much thought, reflect.Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or on their sides and give thought (brain)
to the creation of the heavens and the earth, , "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly;
exalted are You; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire.If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth,
and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue,
or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs;
So relate the story; perchance they may reflect (brain)Sometimes literal interpretations can mislead us reading Quran.
{Will they not, then, ponder over this Qur’an? – or are there locks
upon their hearts?} (Quran 4724)
{So, have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by
which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts.} (Quran 2246)In the two verses quoted above, the word “hearts” stands for the ability to understand, to analyze,
and to apply logic and reason. Here too the Quranic use of the word “heart” does not signify
the physical organ in our chest.It stands for reasoning power, analytical acumen, logical faculty, and such other capabilities
usually associated with the “mind”.The function of the brain and the heart as discovered by medical science is concerned with the
human body and it has little relevance to the hearts mentioned by the Quran.{Then your hearts became hardened after that, being like stones or even harder.} (Quran 274)
The word “heart” in the above verses does not actually mean the organ that we call the heart in our
chest, but it stands metaphorically for our mental disposition or behavior.C'mon brother have a heart. peace
Peace brother,
U said
It stands for reasoning power, analytical acumen, logical faculty, and such other capabilities
usually associated with the “mind”.Yes, and 2264 says that this mind is in sadr which means chest, so it cant be a metaphor, unless your translate sadr as something else
And as i said in few verse qalb came with eye and ear, so according to quran its a organ, and when it says it thinks itsnot a metaphor, does when i say to you Hawk see with his eyes, and heat with his eyes, and think by his qalb, the first and second one isnt a metaphor and third one is a metaphor?! Its not peace
Peace
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Peace,
i have read lexicons and i saw that for the meaning of sadr they also say
Hans wehrbeggining of something
Lisan alarab=اعلی مقدم کل شی و اوله
Steingass=the foremost or upperpart of anything
Mufradat raghib=مقدم الشی
Dic of holy quran=upper part, higher point
As you see all of the lexicons above said in addition to chest, sadr means above part of something,
Why we cant translate sadr as upper part of body/head?
Will be thankfull if you guys help, peace
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Peace,
i have read lexicons and i saw that for the meaning of sadr they also say
Hans wehrbeggining of something
Lisan alarab=اعلی مقدم کل شی و اوله
Steingass=the foremost or upperpart of anything
Mufradat raghib=مقدم الشی
Dic of holy quran=upper part, higher point
As you see all of the lexicons above said in addition to chest, sadr means above part of something,
Why we cant translate sadr as upper part of body/head?
Will be thankfull if you guys help, peace
Now what Mahdi.. You want to take science and quran together so that people won't mock..
brother now you want to change Qalb = Brain.. Lol..
No simile OR mataphore.. It is easy to change subject by making things mataphore..
Can you tell me when God says we sealed their heart and what does it mean?
Does it mean god says brain is dead so he can't think and make decisions or his heart is sealed so he doesn't perceive.. But he still perceives..
They themself say that our hearts are sealed so we don't perceive.. Is it funny?
Quran verses are manifest.. Organ heart
is the one which perceives according to Quran... That's the ultimate proof.. Let science say Whatever they want verses are clear.. Accept Quran is from God and say concocted ancient nonsense all same..I would ask a question from brother Mahdi young fellow and all.. Allah says in Quran when he wants to create something He says "BE" and it is.. Is that possible according to science.. Just say and it is.. Lol.. I don't think it is possible according to science.. No way.. Science cannot accept it.. No way..
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Peace brother
You saidI would ask a question from brother Mahdi young fellow and all.. Allah says in Quran when he wants to create something He says "BE" and it is.. Is that possible according to science.. Just say and it is.. Lol.. I don't think it is possible according to science.. No way.. Science cannot accept it.. No way..
You take this literally? Do You think that God speak? Its first time that i see someone take this verse literally
If you think that you think by your heart, it just shows that your biology education is below highschool level
I should remember that if God willing one day i became a doctor, i must replace your heart by a heart of biology professor, cuz after it you will become a biology professor rotfl bravo yeah
Free minds logo according to jkhan
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peace rotfl
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Peace, sorry , i forget something
U said Can you tell me when God says we sealed their heart(qalb?)and what does it mean?
It simply means when someone rejects the truth, so many times, his mind gets used to it, and he will not understand the truth any more.
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Peace brother
You saidI would ask a question from brother Mahdi young fellow and all.. Allah says in Quran when he wants to create something He says "BE" and it is.. Is that possible according to science.. Just say and it is.. Lol.. I don't think it is possible according to science.. No way.. Science cannot accept it.. No way..
You take this literally? Do You think that God speak? Its first time that i see someone take this verse literally
If you think that you think by your heart, it just shows that your biology education is below highschool level
I should remember that if God willing one day i became a doctor, i must replace your heart by a heart of biology professor, cuz after it you will become a biology professor rotfl bravo yeah
Free minds logo according to jkhan
https//s4.uupload.ir/files/45485a5f-3cd8-485e-a256-b803cefc7613_j5yh.jpeg
peace rotfl
Why shouldn't I take it literally? Has Allah privately told you that it's mataphore...
There is nothing in God's will and you becoming a doctor in the future.. You work hard if you want to become a doctor. Your understanding of will of God and my understanding of will of God is completely different. And don't ask what.. Coz I have debated that thoroughly if you want search.. .
That's what in advance I said.. Let people mock.. Coz at a believer if not mocked that's strange... So heart doesn't think.. Okay.. Why not say directly Quran is wrong rather than draging to no man's land..
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Peace,
My understanding of God willing=If actions that i do is according to The law that God has placed in universe,
U said Coz at a believer if not mocked that's strange
Its not about being believer or atheist or etc…
Its about rejecting the facts and truths without even studying about it, it is the same thing that christian priests and others did when they heard someone says earth isnt flat and sun doesnt revolves around earth, people wont mock you if you study something and came with a result that majority doesnt accept, but people mock if you doesnt study about something, and making funny theories without having knowledge in it,
Peace.
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Peace,
My understanding of God willing=If actions that i do is according to The law that God has placed in universe,
U said Coz at a believer if not mocked that's strange
Its not about being believer or atheist or etc…
Its about rejecting the facts and truths without even studying about it, it is the same thing that christian priests and others did when they heard someone says earth isnt flat and sun doesnt revolves around earth, people wont mock you if you study something and came with a result that majority doesnt accept, but people mock if you doesnt study about something, and making funny theories without having knowledge in it,
Peace.
How eccentric your comments are... Did I speak science here? I spoke what is written in Quran.. Coz I am not fan of science and compare it with Quran ...
So science proves brain... Prove then Quran doesn't say that actual heart doesn't perceive / reason? Are you guys blind not even understand straightforward Quranic verses...
Oops.. I have studied enough brother..but I don't accept everything what I have been taught.. No place for brainwash in the name of education...
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Peace Mahdi.
So if the answer to "does Qoran say human think by heart" is no according to you. Why are you even asking it? it must be nonsense to you if it meant to be literally according to science.
If people are giving you different views,it does not mean they are giving you facts that you must accept
So what is the problem?Or do you mean there must be a different interpretation that you seek?
Have you any idea?
Because the way I see it it is either a metaphor, literal or both.
If you say it is not real, and cannot be both . It must be a metaphor. Or is there another explanation?
Or Qoran is saying nonsense ,then it must be taken as that and one should not believe Qoran in this case.
GOD bless you.
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Peace jkhan,
U said Prove then Quran doesn't say that actual heart doesn't perceive / reason?
If i was able to do this with my limited knowledge in arabic, i wouldnt ask this question in this question here, if i asked it here it means i wasnt able to prove this.
Peace good logic
UsaidSo if the answer to "does Qoran say human think by heart" is no according to you. Why are you even asking it?
Im not 100% sure that quran doesnt say that, if i was 100% sure i wouldnt asked this here as you noted, my understanding is Quran is a book from God and God(which knows reality of everything) will not say a thing which is false according to reality
U said If people are giving you different views,it does not mean they are giving you facts that you must accept
So what is the problem?Where i said that everything thay people say here i must accept 100%?
Peace
