The Universe
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Peace lovely brother...
You and me and everyonr are living on the same earth whereever you you may be... Fantasy is something that we've never seen but still tempting to make it true... You have made the fantasy true without any proof... As I said earlier NO EMPIRICAL evidence. But weak and
As I said, you live in a fantasy world, my friend, and unfortunately, you believed these lies under the influence of hadith, the Bible, and the flat world movement. You have no proof. But I bear witness to the truth based on the evidence. And I turn to the truth by looking at the verses of the Qur'an. But you have turned your back on both the verses and the evidence.
I hope you will come back from this mistake my friend.
First of all, although I did not make any comments on the subject you mentioned, your talking to yourself as if I was defending what was written there shows what kind of fantasy world you are in.
I discussed those issues at length with flat earthers years ago. almost all of them fell apart even in my first question. For example, no answer was given to my question why the sun cannot be seen even with telescopes at night. They could not explain why the Himalayan peak could not be seen from a distance(After a certain distance, the top of the mountain disappears due to the tilt of the earth. So while you can see the lower part of the mountain, some parts of it, the summit mysteriously disappears. Actually, this mysterious disappearance is for flat earthers, of course). They always tried to change subjects.
I'm always researched and thinked about these issues, don't worry.
I hope you will get rid of your superstitions and see the reality of the multiverse, multi-planet, and the living creatures that live there,The earth is a spinning globe as it is said in the Qur'an.
Peace dear brother
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Peace jkhan.
Does it really matter if we differ on what shape the earth is?
Have we not all got more questions on both sides of the argument?For me, it is pointless trying to insist on something that can be taken or left and makes no difference to our salvation/redemption/role and purpose.
I am also saying we should keep learning all of us
My opinion is with the spherical earth. My understanding is for me. living with others that view the earth differently does not concern me and is irrelevant to my unity in belief of the creator with them and their friendship with me.
GOD bless you.
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Peace jkhan.
Does it really matter if we differ on what shape the earth is?
Have we not all got more questions on both sides of the argument?For me, it is pointless trying to insist on something that can be taken or left and makes no difference to our salvation/redemption/role and purpose.
I am also saying we should keep learning all of us
My opinion is with the spherical earth. My understanding is for me. living with others that view the earth differently does not concern me and is irrelevant to my unity in belief of the creator with them and their friendship with me.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace fellow brother..
You are type of strange character when you reply to certain topics.. When someone dig deep you start to say same old phrase.. " does it really matter..... "
Yes... It matters... It does really matters... Coz God claims He created the Earth and Heavens... And questions don't you see how we have raised the sky without pilars... He further question do you doubt the one who created the Earth in 4 days.... Yes.. One can doubt it means if not he finds it get guided from God Himself what actually He has created.... How can one doubt God? Coz either the knowledge of nature of a person should excel or he should agree what science explains... So.. In order not to doubt things which are explained in Quran should make sense in accordance with God gifted knowledge and guidance or it should at least match with so science.... If not doubting in an ancient book is much worthy abd thus lead to harbor doubts on the author of the book... It is imperative for me and it should be important for all sensible person...
If creator doesn't know to explain what He has created and then it exposes He is not the Creator of Heavens and Earth... So for me within mere Quran stationary Earth is the only option coupled with my knowledge to certain extent it gives me only one option that this earth is massive and stationary and round and every other celestial bodies are minute compared to the size of Earth ..
No one will understand this unless God willing.. In my thorough understanding if one chooses the wrong option out of two Either spinning or stationary then I am sure the wrong option is sheer misguidance from God.. Claiming that God has this and that while He indeed not is blasphemy... That's why it matters... For example if one calls with intent that sun is 400 times bigger than Moon and 93miluon miles away without any tangible proof then it is sheer blasphemy... Same for stationary Earth... If I call stationary and if not stationary and spinning... So... So choose wisely or be silent.. Brother GL.. While being on the side of heliocentric model of earth and when others question why suddenly say "Why it matters"..
Either say I don't know.. Or say Yes it is spinning....
Saying I don't know is much worthy statement for those who have not researched it thoroughly...So God created UNIVERSE and tiny mote EARTH in 6 days..? rotfl
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As I said, you live in a fantasy world, my friend, and unfortunately, you believed these lies under the influence of hadith, the Bible, and the flat world movement. You have no proof. But I bear witness to the truth based on the evidence. And I turn to the truth by looking at the verses of the Qur'an. But you have turned your back on both the verses and the evidence.
I hope you will come back from this mistake my friend.
First of all, although I did not make any comments on the subject you mentioned, your talking to yourself as if I was defending what was written there shows what kind of fantasy world you are in.
I discussed those issues at length with flat earthers years ago. almost all of them fell apart even in my first question. For example, no answer was given to my question why the sun cannot be seen even with telescopes at night. They could not explain why the Himalayan peak could not be seen from a distance(After a certain distance, the top of the mountain disappears due to the tilt of the earth. So while you can see the lower part of the mountain, some parts of it, the summit mysteriously disappears. Actually, this mysterious disappearance is for flat earthers, of course). They always tried to change subjects.
I'm always researched and thinked about these issues, don't worry.
I hope you will get rid of your superstitions and see the reality of the multiverse, multi-planet, and the living creatures that live there,The earth is a spinning globe as it is said in the Qur'an.
Peace dear brother
And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.
The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.
Peace
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And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.
The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.
Congratulations! You deserve the first prize for...ridiculousness. Just like the one who says the earth is flat.
In the age of satellites and rockets with on-board cameras, in a way, we live in strange times (blinded by our deep beliefs); although I can understand that the confrontation of modern science with the holy scriptures may confuse some.The word "maṣābīḥa" (675) does not mean "star" but "lamp/lantern" (to describe comets and/or shooting stars). The word for ordinary star is "najm" in the Quran.
Furthermore, the Qur'an describes these celestial objects as "moving" (cf. arabic terme "rujūman", not "static" or projecting balls of energy invisible to the human eye.
Finally, the word "shuhuban" (720 refers to special "stars" that shine brightly in the form of flames. These are not ordinary stars that appear round and static in the sky. -
And by the way, I found out that the stars were throwing fireballs into space just by looking at the verses. Months after my writing, the scientific world discovered this. You can check the date of my post.
The Qur'an is truly a book full of miracles.
Peace
And I am the first person in the world to discover it(NASA's invention was published after my writing). The Qur'an is truly a book full of evidence.
By the way, the holy Quran also uses the term lamp for our sun. In addition, by using the expression lamp for all the stars in other verses, he also informs that all stars are actually suns. In other words, it states that the sun is also a star/lamp.
And by stating that the fire atmosphere above the stars resembles hell, the Qur'an offers us another miracle.
Peace
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If I call stationary and if not stationary and spinning...
So God created UNIVERSE and tiny mote EARTH in 6 days..?
peace, nothing is stationary and yes the earth is very tiny and we are extremely tiny compared to it.
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2130 اولم do they not ىر see الذىن the ones كفروا reject they of ان that indeed السموت the skies والارض and the land كانتا were dual رتقا sewn of ففتقنهما so rip we them dual وجعلنا and made we of من from الما the water كل every شى thing حى live افلا then so not ىومنون believing 2131 وجعلنا and made we of فى in الارض the land روسى high peaks ان an/that تمىد shake (shift) بهم with them وجعلنا and made we of فىها therein فجاجا wide ravine of سبلا paths of لعلهم perhaps they ىهتدون guided being 2132 وجعلنا and made we of السما the sky سقفا roof of محفوظا safeguard/protective of وهم and they عن about اىتها signs its معرضون who away turning 2133 وهو and he الذى the one خلقا creation of للىل the night والنهر and the daytime والشمس and the sun والقمر and the moon كل kullun/each (all mentioned prior) فى in فلك falakin/ship ىسبحون sailing (floating)
2,252 yrs ago Eratosthenes (sticks & shadows) measured circumference
41,132 feet = 12,100 ft (average depth of ocean) + 29,032 ft Mt Everest
131,477,280 feet = 24,901 miles (earth's circumference) x 5,280 ft/mile0.0003 = average depth of oceans + highest mountain/circumference
giant holding globe would not feel mountains or oceans!
likewise, travel east or west guaranteed you'll return full circle!
And I am the first person in the world to discover it(NASA's invention was published after my writing). The Qur'an is truly a book full of evidence.
By the way, the holy Quran also uses the term lamp for our sun. In addition, by using the expression lamp for all the stars in other verses, he also informs that all stars are actually suns. In other words, it states that the sun is also a star/lamp.
peace, reposting does not help; what did you discover?
likewise show verse and words you translated as what?7116 وجعل and made القمر the moon فىهن in them (f/p) نورا nuran/light of
وجعل and made الشمس the sun سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of
7813 وجعلنا and made we of سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of وهاجا wahhajan/fiery of1516 2561 تبرك blesseth الذى the one جعل made فى in السما the sky بروجا burujan/constructs of
وجعل and made فىها in it (f) سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of وقمرا and moon of منىرا muniran/illuminate of851 البروج l-buruji/the constructs (constellations)
676 124 كوكبا kawkaban/cosmic object of (planet, etc.)
2435 كوكب kawkabun/cosmic object
376 الكوكب l-kawakibi/the cosmic objects
822 الكوكب l-kawakibu/the cosmic objects697 3788 5249 5675 778 812 النجوم l-nujuma/the stars
754 1612 2218 والنجوم wal-nujuma/and the stars
1616 وبالنجم wabil-najmi/and by the star4112 675 بمصبىح bimasabiha/with torches
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Peace jkhan.
Did I not say the earth is spherical and spinning in an orbit around the sun according to my understanding of Qoran and Science?
This is how GOD made the day and night alternate on earth and how the seasons are alternating.I also say qoran does not instruct us to believe in earth as a certain shape or size as part of our redemption/salvation
And it does not matter to me what people believe about the earth if they believe in their creator and accountability of their deeds.GOD bless you.
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Peace,
I want to share a short thought experiment I came upon a couple of years ago during a contemplation. It involves the 'young earth' pov that some believers hold onto based on the assumed historicity of the Scriptures. Their calculations give them an age for the universe as we see it of around 6000 years.
Here is the experiment.
If you had to determine an actual point of creation, as in a time in which everything just began, then consider this...
What if the entire universe as you now appreciate it, every state of every thing, was created just NOW.
You were created as you are just a moment ago with all the memories you think you remember already implanted and formed in your neural networks, every scar and line on your skin put there as part of the starting conditions. How could you distinguish and argue that it wasn't made that way right from that very moment?
That is in effect what the young earthers are assuming happened 6000 or so years ago. That it all started from a point in which 13 billion years was not required before it in order for things to emerge that way. So if that could be the case 6000 years ago, then it could very well have been a minute or so ago as well. All the histories etc that have been written are just like the fossils in the earth etc. All put there and placed into existence to give you the sense that it is all old.
Is The God capable of starting up the world and universe in this way? Absolutely. Is it what happened? I say no because there is a more logical answer, that is more miraculous than the 'instant on simulation' scenario that I have described and of which 'young earth' belief is a version of. The one where the universe and everyhing in it start from a singularity with unseen laws and design in the starting conditions making the universe and humanity evolve an intellect that is capable of inquiring and understanding what The God created in due course.
The God is The Creator and The Teacher.
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peace, nothing is stationary and yes the earth is very tiny and we are extremely tiny compared to it.
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2130 اولم do they not ىر see الذىن the ones كفروا reject they of ان that indeed السموت the skies والارض and the land كانتا were dual رتقا sewn of ففتقنهما so rip we them dual وجعلنا and made we of من from الما the water كل every شى thing حى live افلا then so not ىومنون believing 2131 وجعلنا and made we of فى in الارض the land روسى high peaks ان an/that تمىد shake (shift) بهم with them وجعلنا and made we of فىها therein فجاجا wide ravine of سبلا paths of لعلهم perhaps they ىهتدون guided being 2132 وجعلنا and made we of السما the sky سقفا roof of محفوظا safeguard/protective of وهم and they عن about اىتها signs its معرضون who away turning 2133 وهو and he الذى the one خلقا creation of للىل the night والنهر and the daytime والشمس and the sun والقمر and the moon كل kullun/each (all mentioned prior) فى in فلك falakin/ship ىسبحون sailing (floating)
2,252 yrs ago Eratosthenes (sticks & shadows) measured circumference
41,132 feet = 12,100 ft (average depth of ocean) + 29,032 ft Mt Everest
131,477,280 feet = 24,901 miles (earth's circumference) x 5,280 ft/mile0.0003 = average depth of oceans + highest mountain/circumference
giant holding globe would not feel mountains or oceans!
likewise, travel east or west guaranteed you'll return full circle!
peace, reposting does not help; what did you discover?
likewise show verse and words you translated as what?7116 وجعل and made القمر the moon فىهن in them (f/p) نورا nuran/light of
وجعل and made الشمس the sun سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of
7813 وجعلنا and made we of سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of وهاجا wahhajan/fiery of1516 2561 تبرك blesseth الذى the one جعل made فى in السما the sky بروجا burujan/constructs of
وجعل and made فىها in it (f) سرجا sirajan/radiant lamp of وقمرا and moon of منىرا muniran/illuminate of851 البروج l-buruji/the constructs (constellations)
676 124 كوكبا kawkaban/cosmic object of (planet, etc.)
2435 كوكب kawkabun/cosmic object
376 الكوكب l-kawakibi/the cosmic objects
822 الكوكب l-kawakibu/the cosmic objects697 3788 5249 5675 778 812 النجوم l-nujuma/the stars
754 1612 2218 والنجوم wal-nujuma/and the stars
1616 وبالنجم wabil-najmi/and by the star4112 675 بمصبىح bimasabiha/with torches
Yes. .rubbish at its best. Just words floating in the air without any meaning... Easy to make statements... Tiny.. Lol. .. Tiny but befits to the hand of God.. rotfl While universe is in another hand. .or come up saying mataphore... rotfl
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Peace jkhan.
Did I not say the earth is spherical and spinning in an orbit around the sun according to my understanding of Qoran and Science?
This is how GOD made the day and night alternate on earth and how the seasons are alternating.I also say qoran does not instruct us to believe in earth as a certain shape or size as part of our redemption/salvation
And it does not matter to me what people believe about the earth if they believe in their creator and accountability of their deeds.GOD bless you.
Peace.Oh.. There you are.. So it does matter to you...
It is like when people seriously debate on the topic of Existence of God, one suddenly say " does it really matter" Why do we need to believe in God while we have loads thing to do in life...
Do you get what I say..Brother GL and all who are deep rooted in heliocentric believers... Just remember if Quran is silent on creation of Earth and heavens I also would have been silent saying Does it really matter... Quran is not silent on the shape of Earth or heavens... It keeps on explaining many things... So that's why it matters...
" O men and Jin go beyond the earth and heavens.... What would chase us? Fire... This is the word of God... Haven't we gone beyond the earth. Who lies? Quran or science?
That's why it matters....
Anyway, God guides whom He wills..
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Peace jkhan.
So we have a list of beliefs that we should agree exactly on otherwise we are not really believers?
And believing the earth is flat is included there?
No wonder there are hundreds of sects all claiming different rules for salvation!
I am sorry brother I do not see that in Qoran.
GOD bless you.
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No wonder there are hundreds of sects all claiming different rules for salvation!
I am sorry brother I do not see that in Qoran.Sorry to hear that.. Is that all your knowledge?
Sects are those who are in wrong path.. Chosen the wrong option. Those who follow Quran and understand Quran and stick with it and guided with it are not sects... God knows them.. So be patient and continue what you do...Peace jkhan.
So we have a list of beliefs that we should agree exactly on otherwise we are not really believers?Exactly... Yes... What if Satan distract from the truth...
Do you disbelieve the One who created the Earth in 4 days and earth and heavens in six days? So.. Yes there is list.. You can't disbelive the creation of God.. How come one say that I believe the creation of God while they believe entirely different of what the creation is...And believing the earth is flat is included there?
No.. Did I say Earth is flat... Believe what God created... Research what God created through Quran and through what exactly He created that we perceive... Are you allowed to say what He has not created and still you can claim you are a believer.. As I said earlier, if you denigrade by saying earth is tiny mote while this is the biggest in His creations.. So you think God won't mind about it.. Better say I don't have knowledge about it.. Leave it to Ghaib /unseen.. Why claim in parallel to science and fictions which are never empirical ... Have you seen the spherical Earth? God will definitely question you.
I may look like I am your enemy with my wording... But I am not...
One of the biggest criteria to believe in God according to Quran is His creations.. He propel His creations for us to get convinced in His belief.. Have you noticed that in Quran... So if we get His creations wrong, how can we get convinced in His existence or in His faith? -
Peace jkhan.
GOD gave us each ears, eyes and a brain. Then He sent us scriptures. Does that mean we use each other ears, eyes and brain to agree everything?So ,it is only natural to have differences in Qoran, science and beliefs.
This subject is different from GOD specifically giving us limits and commands.
This subject is to do with both . How to use Qoran plus our faculties. I find Qoran and science here agree.
And you find otherwise.
What is the issue then?
GOD bless you.
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And I am the first person in the world to discover it(NASA's invention was published after my writing). The Qur'an is truly a book full of evidence.
By the way, the holy Quran also uses the term lamp for our sun. In addition, by using the expression lamp for all the stars in other verses, he also informs that all stars are actually suns. In other words, it states that the sun is also a star/lamp.
And by stating that the fire atmosphere above the stars resembles hell, the Qur'an offers us another miracle.
Peace
As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number
Yasin
36 Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.Zariyat
49 And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).
In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.
Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.
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As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number
Yasin
36 Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.Zariyat
49 And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired.
In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.
Previously you said (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611665.10)
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The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.
But it is not infinite.
Seven universes, for example.
Other universes have planets too.
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It is difficult to follow your logic 2 universes or 7 then? Don't you see the contradiction in your words or at least the ambiguity?I hope you will get rid of your superstitions and see the reality of the multiverse, multi-planet, and the living creatures that live there,The earth is a spinning globe as it is said in the Qur'an.
Where the Quran describes the earth as a "spinning globe" ?
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Peace jkhan.
GOD gave us each ears, eyes and a brain. Then He sent us scriptures. Does that mean we use each other ears, eyes and brain to agree everything?So ,it is only natural to have differences in Qoran, science and beliefs.
This subject is different from GOD specifically giving us limits and commands.
This subject is to do with both . How to use Qoran plus our faculties. I find Qoran and science here agree.
And you find otherwise.
What is the issue then?
GOD bless you.
[Peace.3967 They made not a just estimate of Allah such as is due to Him. And on the Day of Resurrection the whole of the earth will be grasped by His Hand and the heavens will be rolled up in His Right Hand. Glorified is He, and High is He above all that they associate as partners with Him!
419 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals?
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Hallo.... everyone..
peace..1005 "It is God who has made the sun radiant and the moon Light and has appointed for the moon phases so that you may compute the number of years and other reckonings. God has created them for a genuine purpose. He explains the evidence (of His existence) to the people of knowledge.
1006 "Indeed, in the alternation of the night and the day and what Allah has created in the heavens and the earth are signs for a people who fear Allah
Now, as per 1006 Are we take signs according to science or on the reality? How come the sign of God go totally contrary... Coz night and day happens coz earth spin and rotates on its axis... Is that a sign for those who fear Allah or Sun in sailing away from us so that night falls on us and day appears to others..? Which one is sign for those who FEAR Allah?
as per 1005 God created PHASES to MOON in order that years are computed? Clearly we can see there is no phase for sun... Why Earth has phases, why other Planets have phases as per accepted science... Who speaks the truth? Quran through God or Science...
Is this the science we say tally or go in line with Quran?
in the universe, isn't the Earth a shining Light? isn't earth in Universe? lol... where is your wits folks?
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Peace jkhan
You mean there is no relation between the day/night ,the sun and moon?
How do the moon phases happen?
Ponder this relationship
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We rendered the night and the day two signs. We made the night dark, and the day lighted, that you may seek provisions from your Lord therein. This also establishes for you a timing system -Sineen 0f the moon phases-, and the means of calculation- like aam ,the solar years...-. We thus explain everything in detail.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
