HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE

hawk99

Peace,

It's facinating that we are debating if the earth flat or not. The earth is a globe. No, there was no fire breathing dragons nope
There are no mermaids. & there are no unicorns. there are no aliens here from another planet brickwall
No bones of giants have ever been found. hmm why do people believe such nonsense. Now in America
some believe that former president Kennedy is coming back. why? Just asking. handshake

God Bless peace

Iyyaka

Peace hawk99,

Peace,

It's facinating that we are debating if the earth flat or not. The earth is a globe. No, there was no fire breathing dragons nope
There are no mermaids. & there are no unicorns. there are no aliens here from another planet brickwall
No bones of giants have ever been found. hmm why do people believe such nonsense. Now in America
some believe that former president Kennedy is coming back. why? Just asking. handshake

God Bless peace

the voice of reason brother. handshake

Part of the problem is this how to reconcile a religious faith and that their reference text (words of God, omniscient!) may contradicts or takes another way to explain the world than modern science or observations well established ?

hawk99

Peace hawk99,
the voice of reason brother. handshake

Part of the problem is this how to reconcile a religious faith and that their reference text (words of God, omniscient!) may contradicts or takes another way to explain the world than modern science or observations well established ?

Peace Iyyaka,

Upon reflection of your analysis it has crossed my mind that if someone misinterprets an ayat of the Quran they can conclude a false reality in regards to that ayat.
Therefore Misinterpretation plays an important role in how we perceive reality. Thanks.

God bless peace

Iyyaka

Upon reflection of your analysis it has crossed my mind that if someone misinterprets an ayat of the Quran they can conclude a false reality in regards to that ayat.

Peace hawk99,

I am not sure to understand your sayings brother ;D, but sure our interpretation may deviate us from the reality of the author's intention... The question is what methodology should be used to exclude (or at least limit) any interpretation biased by our beliefs, especially as a long time separates us from the original context?
But, before speaking of methodology, It is necessary first to be aware of these natural interpretative biases!

hawk99

Peace hawk99,

sure our interpretation may deviate us from the reality of the author's intention.

My point exactly

Peace hawk99,

The question is what methodology should be used to exclude (or at least limit) any interpretation biased by our beliefs,

We should deal with the intent to learn with patience and not be so quick to come to conclusions. Be opened minded. Believe it or not it's not wrong to say "i don't know" Be impartial and seek wise counsel. Become educated in general with various topics and make learning a goal.

Peace hawk99,

especially as a long time separates us from the original context?
But, before speaking of methodology, It is necessary first to be aware of these natural interpretative biases!

Yes, we must reconcile the usefulness of what we are engaging in today. Is the interpretation useful?
Please explain "natural interpretative biases"

God bless peace

Iyyaka

Peace hawk99,

Please explain "natural interpretative biases"

We have all a belief system that serves as a filter in the interpretation of texts. This is particularly true with a text in 2D with more than 1400 years apart (a time, a place, a society so different from ours). There are 2 essential ways to protect against this natural tendency
1 - Understanding the primary context of the irruption of the Qur'anic discourse is essential BEFORE any kind of modernist reading of the quranic text. Otherwise, there is the risk of projecting only our own desiderata/fantasies into the text.
2 - Understanding how the text is structured according to principles so far removed from our standards of writing is essential to avoid a wild/atomist exegesis (by isolating verses); and thus easily manipulating minds.
One example among many (I have nothing against him) Athar2022 (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611672.msg436943#msg436943) quoting 385 and 551 in isolation, as absolute truths valid for all time.

God bless you too.

Emre_1974tr

As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number

Yasin
36 Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.

Zariyat
49 And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.

In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).

In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.

Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.

Time-timelessness and the Floor of Lord (Indallah)
Our Creator is timeless and placeless as being.. He created the time and the place.

But as manager-observer (from the outside) He is at all the points of the place, and at all time points ...

Past...................................now.........................................................future

We are at "now point" and we are traveling towards the forward, future points.

But our Lord does not travel in time points.

The concepts of the past, the future, the present time, are ours.

There's no travel for him.

Always observe and manage the point.

There's no need for him to go there and travel.

When called "be timeless" to people,they think it's like a way of life that only the wrist watch has stopped working, but the other elements continue to be the same. No, as I described above, the lack of time is a completely different situation that we cannot even imagine. The past, the future, the present moment, there are no separate concepts.

Just as our Lord is without place, He is outside of the universe, He do not travel in our universe but we know, from outside as a manager our Lord, who is also timeless in the same way, is again out of time, but a manager-observer at all time points (from outside).

If we go back to a time machine, and go to the future and the past, we will realize that God also ruled that time period. And the time inside the time machine ...

But let's tell again;

As "Being", God is not in anything and is separate from all creation.

Outside of time and space/place...

We are in time and space. They were already created for us ...

And since our Lord is separate from all creation, it is a great sin to attribute a partner to God, because nothing He has created is a part or reflection of Him.

I would like to bring it from here to the expression "the floor of the Lord" in the Qur'an.

In the Qur'an, I think that Rabbin is used in two meanings.

1- In the eyes of Allah ...

2- It is used in the meaning of the universe of eternity hereafter

In the Qur'an, the word " floor of Lord" is the name of the afterlife universe with different laws of physics than ours. For example, unlike our universe, there is life here, and there is no question of aging, deterioration of the material.

And this time on the "Floor of the Lord" (Indallah) is different according to our time

Actually, a day on your floor of the Lord is like a thousand years that you are counting. (Surat al-Hajj, 47)

Because our Lord is timeless, it is used here not in the sense of "in the presence of God" but in the meaning of "the hereafter". In our world a thousand years pass, there is only one day in the floor of Lord.

Surely Allah Almighty has created this space. But the name "Floor of Lord" gave it the name it created this time. It is just a definition like "The servant of Allah", " or "The Messenger of Allah" ...

Surat al-Hajj 47 The one who urgently wants a chastisement God never contradicts the promise. It is also a fact that a day on the side of the Lord is like a thousand years that you are counting.

Surat al-Bakar 112 The work is not like them, but when they deliver their face to Allah with good behavior, there is a reward on the Lord's side. There is no fear for them; they will not worry ...

Ali Surah 15 Say, "Do you notify me better than this?" For those who are guarded and protected, there will be gardens, rivers flowing under them, and rivers flowing under them, pure wives and a pleasure from Allah. Allah sees His servants in the best form. "

En'am Suresi 127 The peace and well-being of their Lord is their dwelling place. Because of the fact that they are works, He has become their Veli.

Surat al-A'raf 206 Those who are on the side of the Lord do not turn away from Him, They will glorify Him and prostrate Him alone.

Heaven and hell already exist, and some exceptions people have begun to live their punishment or rewards by being created physically there unexpectedly in the Day of Resurrection (knowing that other people will wait for Resurrection and account). For example

-Think not of those who are slain in Allah.s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the floor of their Lord;

Allah is pleased with the blessing he has bestowed upon them, and about the Mujahideen who have not joined them as martyrs behind them "They have no fear, and they will not hear sadness." are found. (Surat al-Fitr 169-170)

According to these verses;

1- While other dead people are really dead (waiting for the resurrection), the martyrs are alive differently from them.

2- They live in blessings on the floor of the Lord (in the Hereafter)

When they speak in heaven, they give good news about the people who are still in the world and / or who have not yet been resurrected after they have been killed (they also say words that they will participate in the Jenny)

However, the point to be noted here is that the people who are now in heaven (in the Rabbinic Floor) are as physical as us, they are materially alive. Already according to the Qur'an, there is no such thing as souls, spiritual life. Everlasting life is also the body. All creatures, including angels and goblins, are already members (for example, if we were created from earth, the jinn were also created from fire). You can also read my article on "Nobody has got ghost according to Quran".

Quran (5122) And in the heaven is your provision and whatever you are promised.

Quran (5721) Race one with another for forgiveness from your Lord and a Garden whereof the breadth is as the breadth of the heavens and the earth, which is in store for those who believe in Allah and His messengers. Such is the bounty of Allah, which He bestoweth upon whom He will, and Allah is of infinite bounty.

The width of heaven is called sky and ground. In other words, it is pointed out that heaven/paradise is as big as our universe. This is again the evidence that the eternity dwelling is a universe of its own, with its laws of physics. In other words, the place is not in the size of a garden or city, but in a gigantic dimension as the world we live in with its planets and heavens.

Floor of Lord is the name of a universe that Allah has created from nothing. The eternity is in that house, there are already inhabitants and waiting for the others.

Regards.

MY TURKISH ARTICLE TRANSLATED WITH TRANSLATOR

Emre_1974tr

Hereafter Universe (Floor of Lord) and eternal life

The living creatures in the Hereafter universe (Floor of Lord) are immortal and continue their lives forever (in fixed form) without aging. People will begin to live in this afterlife in the next creation from the Day of Judgment, but some exceptions people (like martyrs and prophets) are already living their physical and physical lives in heaven

-Think not of those who are slain in Allah.s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the floor of their Lord;

Allah is pleased with the blessing he has bestowed upon them, and about the Mujahideen who have not joined them as martyrs behind them "They have no fear, and they will not hear sadness." are found. (Surat al-Fitr 169-170)

Meryem

Also mention in the Book the case of Idris He was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet
We raised him in a high/lofty place.

Al-i #304;mran 55. Behold! Allah said "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

Those who stay outside of this exception will begin their afterlife in the aftermath.

And in the Floor of Lord (ie the hereafter universe with different laws of physics) life is eternal

Nisa 122. But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness,- we shall soon admit them to gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,-to dwell therein for ever. Allah´s promise is the truth, and whose word can be truer than Allah´s?

Rad 24. "Peace unto you for that ye persevered in patience! Now how excellent is the final home!"

Some people are strangely welcomed by the eternal experience of eternity, and then "are those living things not divine?" They use expressions that indicate their confusion, asking questions.

First of all, we are created, we have a beginning. We are also always on time and space. In contrast, Almighty Allah is timeless and without space.

And we will continue to remain as limited entities at the beginning, and we, the servants who have to travel over time.

If we will return to the Hereafter experience; there will be eternal life forever, but our age will never be eternal. Because our lives have a beginning, and every year our age will increase, will grow constantly, but will always correspond to a number.

1 .......................... 789 ...................... ......... ... 1122333 ........................ 12233499988779 ......

Each passing year my old age will be an addition and will never be infinitely large. However, this event will last forever.

In brief, the eternal life of the hereafter is eternal, but the ages of those who live are limited to a certain extent. But it will be an endless journey back up.

We will see how much progress in the age of a man in heaven, that we are a beginner when we go back. Time (years-age) will increase constantly, but since it is the beginning, it will always correspond to a number.

In the meantime, a mysterious closed-minded, open-ended infinite length is completely wrong in mathematics.

Something must be both inexperienced and eternal so that it can be infinitely long.

If a road ends in the back, then the road is finish.

During the journey to the Acanthus, the figures constantly grow, but never, no matter how long it grows, it does not reach forever.

A B C.......

The point between A and the point reached is always bound to be a certain length.

The life of the Hereafter will last forever, but as I said before, when we rewind, we arrive at the beginning when we travel backwards, and there (backward) the road ends.

In short we will live forever but our age will never be eternal (because our being is the beginning of our existence).

We will be eternal, but we will continue to be limited beings as we are not eternal and we have to travel in time-space.

It is our Lord, who is unlimited, timeless and unmeasured. Moreover, the life of the living beings in the hereafter is a state of fulfillment with the will of our Lord. The Supreme Creator can exist forever without needing anything, but the servants can exist through Him. This is stated in the verses

Hud

They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth for thy Lord is the (sure) accomplisher of what He planneth.
And those who are blessed shall be in the Garden They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth a gift without break.

Almighty Allah says that we will be forever for what He wants.

And he says, "If I can not wish reverse, I will never let the others out"

And he promises you will not.

In other words, "I may change this provision if I wish, but I am using an expression that means that the heavenly peoples will stay there forever, because I want it with free will." When we consider all this, we can easily see that our eternal life does not sanctify us, that we will always continue to be servants as in this world.

Greetings and love.

MY TURKISH ARTICLE TRANSLATED WITH TRANSLATOR

Emre_1974tr

-Think not of those who are slain in Allah.s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the floor of their Lord;

Allah is pleased with the blessing he has bestowed upon them, and about the Mujahideen who have not joined them as martyrs behind them "They have no fear, and they will not hear sadness." are found. (Surat al-Fitr 169-170)

According to these verses;

1- While other dead people are really dead (waiting for the resurrection), the martyrs are alive differently from them.

2- They live in blessings on the floor of the Lord (in the Hereafter)

When they speak in heaven, they give good news about the people who are still in the world and / or who have not yet been resurrected after they have been killed (they also say words that they will participate in the Jenny)

However, the point to be noted here is that the people who are now in heaven (in the Rabbinic Floor) are as physical as us, they are materially alive. Already according to the Qur'an, there is no such thing as souls, spiritual life. Everlasting life is also the body. All creatures, including angels and goblins, are already members (for example, if we were created from earth, the jinn were also created from fire). You can also read my article on "Nobody has got ghost according to Quran".

Meryem

Also mention in the Book the case of Idris He was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet
We raised him in a high/lofty place.

Al-i #304;mran 55. Behold! Allah said "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

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IS JESUS ALIVE?

Let me briefly answer this frequently asked question again

Prophet Jesus died, but just like other prophets and martyrs, he was created again in the Paradise (Floor of Lord).

In other words, living in a Paradise now.

In short, not only Jesus, but all the prophets and messengers live in other Universe.

Regards.

Emre_1974tr

reel

Quran saying stars shooting 'fireballs' into space

The fireball thing actually works on them even here!

Emre_1974tr

Holy Quran 5537

If the heaven ripped and it were a rose like paint.

https//www.miracles-of-quran.com/redshifting.html

Emre_1974tr

THE "EVIDENCE OF DESIRE" ALSO POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THE AFTERLIFE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY BEEN CREATED

I also think that the famous "Proof of Desire", which shows the existence of Allah and the reality of eternal life, is a proof that the Hereafter Universe and life already exists. Because humans want their lives to continue immediately/uninterruptedly. It is as if this desire is encoded in their genes and programs. No one wants to wait thousands or millions of years to be resurrected again. In this context, it is more rational to accept that there are some servants who attain the life of paradise immediately after their death than the proof of desire.

As I said, I think the Evidence of Desire shows that the afterlife exists even now. Let us itemize this as follows

1- We see that the natural and healthy desires of human beings are usually reciprocated (for example, the desire to drink water is reciprocated by the presence/existence of water, etc...).

2- Almost no one wants to stay/wait for thousands or millions of years in a state of extinction, even if there is a break, they want to continue their lives as soon as possible, especially they want to reach the life of paradise immediately.

3- In this context, at least some deserving servants have already been created and started their eternal life in paradise without waiting (and therefore there is a place(s) where this happens).

In addition, according to the argument from desire, the blessings that people desire are mostly already created, that is, ready. From this point of view, again, according to the argument from desire, it is more logical to think that paradise exists now rather than in the future.

Furthermore, this point of view/questioning provides another proof that there are similar blessings in paradise as there are on earth.

(from my Turkish article)

http//emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html

Emre_1974tr

Only Paradise is forever.

The verses emphasize that those in paradise, unlike those in hell, will not taste death except the first death. Those in paradise will live forever, while those in hell may one day be destroyed along with hell itself.

Saffat 55. When he looks, he finds him in the middle of Hell. 56. He says, "By Allah, you almost destroyed me too." 57. "Were it not for the Blessing of my Lord, I would have been with you now." 58-59. But then, is it so that we are not to die.
beyond our previous death, and that we shall never be made to suffer?

They will not taste death there except the first death. Allah has protected them from the torment of Hell.(Surat al-Duhan, verse 56)

Yes, those in paradise will live forever, while those in hell will one day be destroyed with hell.

And according to these verses I have given, those in paradise will taste death only once in their lives. That is, their death on earth. But those in hell will taste a second death. Because they died once on earth and now they will die once in hell.

Those in paradise will have experienced a total of one death, while those in hell will have experienced a total of two deaths.

Another piece of information these verses give us is that there is no such thing as reincarnation. Because, as God says, there is only one taste of death on earth.

and;

Holy Quran

4040 "Whosoever does an evil deed, he will not be requited except for its equivalent, and whosoever does good, whether male or female and is an acknowledger, so those will be admitted to Paradise, where they will receive provision without limit."

6160 Whoever comes with a good deed, he will receive ten times its worth, and whoever comes with a sin, he will only be recompensed its like; they will not be wronged.

1- Hell will end one day.

2- There is no reincarnation.

3- The reward is always greater and eternal than the punishment.

4- Those in paradise will have tasted only one death (their death on earth). But those in hell will taste a second death (they will die once more in hell in addition to their death on earth).

salman378

I have researched this here https//onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran conclusively proving that Sama and Samawat are either Planets, Stars, Galaxies or the Universe while Jannah is Paradise or Garden.

The issue with the original post 'Heaven is not Paradise' is that it is oxymoronic. Sorry! But let me explain.

The post doesn't use the Arabic word Sama or Samawat but tries to explain the english word Heaven. Now obviously some translators have translated Jannah as Heaven and Samawat also as Heaven.

So saying 'Heaven is not Paradise' is like saying 'Iceland is not a country but a land of ice'. The post should read 'Sama and Samawat is not Paradise'. Which I agree!

salman378

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

Dear brother,

I have research it extensively that Seven Heavens is not Seven Universes, but Seven Classical Planets.

For the proof, please go to https//onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

Emre_1974tr

Quran 5122 In the heaven is your provision, and what you are promised. (Paradise and hell are both ready and outside the world, in the sky)

The prophets living in Paradise will be summoned to the court as witnesses on the Day of Judgment

Quran 7711 And when the messengers are gathered.

heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe
Heavens = universes

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe
Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

Quran 21104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

Quran 3967 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

Quran A man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying "O my people, follow the messengers. Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided. Why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return? Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Gracious intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me. Then I would be clearly astray. I have acknowledged your Lord, so listen to me! It was said, "Enter Paradise." He said "Oh, how I wish my people only knew of what my Lord has forgiven me, and made me of the honored ones."We did not send down upon his people after him soldiers from the sky; for there was no need to send them down. For all it took was one scream, whereupon they were stilled. (3620-29)

Quran 1956 And recall in the Book, Enoch; he was a man of truth, a prophet.
1957 And We raised him to a high place.

Quran 355 For God said "O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who have rejected until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed."

Prophets and very good peoples in Paradise now. They were created in Paradise (floor of Lord/other universe) without waiting for the Hour.

But, Other people will wait for the Resurrection for re-creation.

The Qur'an says that a group of exception people are already living in Paradise.

And it even tells us that some of them are talking about the world's inhabitants. They say "they(World peoples) will come to us later". However, it is difficult to see them for you because the English translations of the Qur'an do not provide complete sentences.

Likewise, the verses of the Lord's Floor are also mentioned, but you cannot see it again in English translations. Because, unfortunately, those under the influence of traditional interpretation make translations in their own understanding.

Yes, according to the Qur'an there are already people living in Paradise.

And that's where Christians believe that Jesus is in paradise.

In the false Gospels, the event was described incorrectly, so you could not see the painting until today.

Jesus and all other messengers/ prophets live in paradise now.

Quran 3169 Do not count that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving provisions.

3170 Happy with what God has granted them from His grace, and they rejoice in those who have yet to follow after them. There is no fear upon them nor do they grieve.

517 Ingrates indeed are those who have said, "God is the Messiah the son of Mary." Say, "Who has any power against God if He had wanted to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother, and all who are on earth!" To God is the sovereignty of heavens and earth and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things. (Jesus and his mother living in other universe, Like other prophets...)

Quran 848 He will then receive an easy reckoning.
849 He will return to his family in joy! (The person who is called from Paradise to the day of judgment will return to Paradise again with joy)

5313 Indeed, he saw him in another descent.
5314 At the ultimate point.
5315 Next to the eternal Paradise.
(Even when the prophet Muhammad lived in the world, he was taken to visit the universe of the Hereafter/ Floor of Lord)

567 You will be in three groupings.
568 So those on the right; who will be from those on the right?
569 Those on the left; who will be from those on the left?
5610 And those foremost, who will be from those foremost?
(8th verse about peple who after the apocalyptic blessing will enter the paradise, 9th verse about who will enter hell, and the 10th verse talking about the already pioneering group living in Paradise. Thus, the three classes mentioned in verse 7 are completed)

1993 When all there is in the heavens and the earth will but come to the Gracious as servants.

1956 Recall in the book Enoch; he was truthful, a prophet.
1957 We raised him to a high place.
(Enoch is living in Paradise now)

As can be seen, the Qur'an clearly presents a multiverse model. I have shown this with evidence in the following pages of this thread.

Therefore, the use of the word heaven in the English sense of paradise must cease. In Arabic, the words paradise and sky are different.

salman378

As can be seen, the Qur'an clearly presents a multiverse model. I have shown this with evidence in the following pages of this thread.

Therefore, the use of the word heaven in the English sense of paradise must cease. In Arabic, the words paradise and sky are different.

Well, that's not true. Sorry!

Read 7115 and 7116.

7115 speaks of Seven Heavens

7116 speaks of Moon and Sun within them.

What significance is Moon and Sun with Seven Heavens? Unless it is Geocentric Model with Earth in the center and Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn as Layers around it.

Don't believe me. Just tell me why is Noah talking to disbelievers about Seven Heavens in 712 to 7117 and telling them about Seven Heavens? Unless disbelievers already know what Seven Heavens are in their times.

Disbelievers would only make sense of what he's saying if Noah is speaking based on the science of his days i.e. Geocentric Model.

2317 And indeed, We created above you Seven Orbits, We are never unaware of the creation.

Verse 2317 even mentions that these seven bodies are in orbit using the Arabic word 'Taraiq' i.e. 'Orbits', 'Roads' or 'Paths'.

Check out this image https//www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3APtolemaic_system_2_%2528PSF%2529.png&psig=AOvVaw1evCpw9P7wBH1xcILR1O-B&ust=1703240130589000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCIif_YumoIMDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Have you really spent your 5 minutes, only 5 full minutes to explore my article? I challenge you to refute one point. Just one point in it. Link is below!

https//onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

I remain sincerely yours,

Salman

Emre_1974tr