When are the four restricted months in the year?

Noon_waalqalami

peace,

roll back Perf558 count only 12 and skip the occasional 13th
start first month after the full moon after the spring equinox
end ramadan first month after full moon of summer solstice

2185 شهر shahru رمضان ramadan (heat cycle) الذى the one انزل descends فىه in it القران the Qur'an
P558 شهر shahru جمدى jumada (dried cycle) الاولى the first من from سنه sana اثنىن twosome وعشرىن and twenty (22)

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PERF_558

http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases0601.html

year ... new ... moon ) ... shahru/lunar cycle ... full moon
643 ... Mar 25 ... Mar 27 ... Jumādá al-ūlá ... ... .... Apr 10 full moon after spring equinox

Jumādá al-ūlá 30, 22 AH / April 25, 643 CE / Pharmouthi 30, the 1st indiction (Perf 55

643 ... Apr 24 ... Apr 26 ... 1 Jumādá al-ākhirah ... May 9 full moon
643 ... May 23 ... May 25 ... 2 Rajab ... ... ... ... ... Jun 7 full moon
643 ... Jun 21 ... Jun 23 ... 3 Sha‘bān ... ... ... ..... Jul 7 full moon after summer solstice
643 ... Jul 21 ... Jul 23 ... 4 Ramaḍān (start) ... ... Aug 5 full moon
643 ... Aug 20 ... Aug 22 ... (end fast) ... ... ... ... Sep 3 full moon

http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/moon/phases2001gmt.html

year ... new ... moon ) ... shahru/lunar cycle ... full moon
2022 ... Mar 2 ... Mar 4 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Mar 18 full moon today
2022 ... Apr 1 ... Apr 3 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Apr 16 full moon after spring equinox
2022 ... Apr 30 ... May 2 .... 1 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... May 16 full moon
2022 ... May 30 ... Jun 2 .... 2 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Jun 14 full moon
2022 ... Jun 29 ... Jun 31 ... 3 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Jul 13 full moon after summer solstice
2022 ... Jul 28 ... Jul 30 ... 4 Ramaḍān (start) ... ... Aug 12 full moon
2022 ... Aug 27 ... Aug 29 ... (end fast)

no hunting (4) months spring when most animals have babies to end of summer

jkhan

https//youtu.be/bXvBSB7o_-Q

I watched a numerous videos and read few article to know the exact meaning of Arabic months connecting with season... Well.. I found this video interesting...
Strangly dulkwada dulhaj muharram and Safar seams in ita meaning kind of restriction..
In some other I found ramadhan to be seventh month... Well.. No one keeps names of months away from nothing.. It should denote something special to those people. Either season or religious or something specific and unique to them.

In accordance, the modern day patten of months falling in every season is ridiculous... For sure.. It is mocking the meaning ...

algummlil

Well... I have already replied to you regarding four restricted months...
When something is in practice already God doesn't elaborate it again.. That's what I got from Quran.. For example Allah has explained certain things about haj but never explained what the well known months to perform haj... But simply said haj is in well known months.. So that's enough.. Coz people already knew what well months are..
Same.. People already knew what those fourlntha which are restricted... Coz Allah didn't change restricted months in time.. Purpose of haj and purpose of well known months are in my thorough understanding is over..

Do we have anything restricted in four months though we claim as believers.. As a believer one knows he trying his level best to avoid evil and practice what is good while accepting God..
So, what believera of modern day restrict in chosen four months..
Tey to grasp.. Purpose of restriction perhaps coming all the way from Nuh of not from Ibrahim bit with Mohamed and his immediate followers it is over.. Coz mission completed.. God's revelation through bool form is accomplished.. Purpose of haj is mostly to spread the message of God to people whomever it can reach in live manner with debate and discussion..
But message of God is in our finger tips now.. No more prophets.. No more new revelations..

You think the four restricted months were only for discussions with Muhammad? And not for people to come and bring their offer to feed the poor and ponder upon the Quran and God?

algummlil

peace,

roll back Perf558 count only 12 and skip the occasional 13th
start first month after the full moon after the spring equinox
end ramadan first month after full moon of summer solstice

2185 شهر shahru رمضان ramadan (heat cycle) الذى the one انزل descends فىه in it القران the Qur'an
P558 شهر shahru جمدى jumada (dried cycle) الاولى the first من from سنه sana اثنىن twosome وعشرىن and twenty (22)

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PERF_558

http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases0601.html

year ... new ... moon ) ... shahru/lunar cycle ... full moon
643 ... Mar 25 ... Mar 27 ... Jumādá al-ūlá ... ... .... Apr 10 full moon after spring equinox

Jumādá al-ūlá 30, 22 AH / April 25, 643 CE / Pharmouthi 30, the 1st indiction (Perf 55

643 ... Apr 24 ... Apr 26 ... 1 Jumādá al-ākhirah ... May 9 full moon
643 ... May 23 ... May 25 ... 2 Rajab ... ... ... ... ... Jun 7 full moon
643 ... Jun 21 ... Jun 23 ... 3 Sha‘bān ... ... ... ..... Jul 7 full moon after summer solstice
643 ... Jul 21 ... Jul 23 ... 4 Ramaḍān (start) ... ... Aug 5 full moon
643 ... Aug 20 ... Aug 22 ... (end fast) ... ... ... ... Sep 3 full moon

http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/moon/phases2001gmt.html

year ... new ... moon ) ... shahru/lunar cycle ... full moon
2022 ... Mar 2 ... Mar 4 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Mar 18 full moon today
2022 ... Apr 1 ... Apr 3 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Apr 16 full moon after spring equinox
2022 ... Apr 30 ... May 2 .... 1 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... May 16 full moon
2022 ... May 30 ... Jun 2 .... 2 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Jun 14 full moon
2022 ... Jun 29 ... Jun 31 ... 3 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Jul 13 full moon after summer solstice
2022 ... Jul 28 ... Jul 30 ... 4 Ramaḍān (start) ... ... Aug 12 full moon
2022 ... Aug 27 ... Aug 29 ... (end fast)

no hunting (4) months spring when most animals have babies to end of summer

What do you mean with skip the 13th? Then we will end up with the same "problem" as the lunar calendar?

No hunting during the months where the animals have babies sounds the most logic as well. But are babies not babies anymore after the four months are gone?

algummlil

https//youtu.be/bXvBSB7o_-Q

I watched a numerous videos and read few article to know the exact meaning of Arabic months connecting with season... Well.. I found this video interesting...
Strangly dulkwada dulhaj muharram and Safar seams in ita meaning kind of restriction..
In some other I found ramadhan to be seventh month... Well.. No one keeps names of months away from nothing.. It should denote something special to those people. Either season or religious or something specific and unique to them.

In accordance, the modern day patten of months falling in every season is ridiculous... For sure.. It is mocking the meaning ...

Those videos sound very logic. But they dont answer when the restricted months are according to the Quran alone.

What about the last four months being the restricted months of the current Arabic calendar starting with ramadan? And of course we could reconsider that it should be a luni solar calendar but the names could stay the same?

jkhan

Those videos sound very logic. But they dont answer when the restricted months are according to the Quran alone.

What about the last four months being the restricted months of the current Arabic calendar starting with ramadan? And of course we could reconsider that it should be a luni solar calendar but the names could stay the same?

Well assumptions are not truth always... For you ramadhan shawwal dhulqada dulhaj seems four restricted months..
See well known months are assumptions foe you..
Well.. For me I think I can go with Dhulqada / Dulhaj / muharram / Safar... And again assumption... Now who is gonna deny you and me and bring another four months... Is this what WELL KNOWN means?

So dear.. We are left with assumptions.. So don't bother..
After all what you gonna do even if you know that these are four restricted months? Are you gonna go to any place in the world and perform haj? Are you gonna make ceasefire? Are you gonna stop hunting in restricted sanctuary? Or are you gonna attack once the restricted months over? Everything has purpose.. When the matter and purpose over it is nothing.. Okay suppose you gonna do all these in restricted months in case.. But what if you have chosen the wrong four months of restriction... That's a big issue.. So.. Why we go after on something which has no concern for us as we are living in a different era.. It was for them and not for us..

For example... Conventional Muslims do consider what they do in Makka and in surroundings every year in the Arabic month of dulhaj is Haj for them.. So suppose anyone hunted an animal... I don't see any place there to hunt nowadays.. That's a different topic.. But suppose.. So Quran advice to bring it to Kaaba... So.. Is that what is Kaaba in Quran... There is no connection...so just leave them who are in astray.. And also just leave those are not relevant for us.. Yes... In Quran but not everything for us.. Coz QURAN was revealed for immediate people of Mohamed first.. We have the book for our guidance with what is best out of it..
That's it...

By the way Allah didn't say animals were pregnant so don't hunt.. Allah said dony hunt while you are in restriction... You can only be in restriction while you in restricted sanctuary for the purpose of haj... Allah never said don't hint in restricted four months... I hope that's what I read.. If it is not allowed to hunt throughout four restricted months.. Just show me the verse.. Purpose people flocked is not for hunting.. But for a different purpose.. Why to eradicate all the animals out there just coz haj is taking place.. Nature should be preserved... Isnt it?
I don't think Allah prohibit what is in the bellies oh permitted animals.. Does He?

Noon_waalqalami

What do you mean with skip the 13th? Then we will end up with the same "problem" as the lunar calendar?

No hunting during the months where the animals have babies sounds the most logic as well. But are babies not babies anymore after the four months are gone?

peace, it says "count" is twelve nothing about twelve in a year or calendars.

936 ان indeed عده iddata/count الشهور the lunar cycles عند near/with الله the God اثنا dual عشر ten (twelve) شهرا lunar cycle of

the main issue is imagine as the sleepers in the cave waking up -- how to know which month is it?

1811 فضربنا so strike we of على on اذنهم ears theirs فى in الكهف the cave سنىن sinina/years (solar/counted 1,2,3, ..., n) عددا number of
1812 ثم furthermore بعثنهم raise we them لنعلم to know اى which الحزبىن the parties two احصى calculates لما to what لبثوا remain they of امدا duration of

algummlil

the main issue is imagine as the sleepers in the cave waking up -- how to know which month is it?

What do you mean brother? Can you explain?

Noon_waalqalami

What do you mean brother? Can you explain?

peace, the only way to easily tell time is place a stick with a circle e.g. via sundial

spring equinox (equal day/night ~ March 20) sunrise/sunset equal across circle
wait for full moon start cycle 1 next new moon crescent
the 4th cycle Ramadan/heat is after full moon after summer solstice (~ June 21)

http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/moon/phases2001gmt.html

2022 .... Apr 3 ... moon crescent ... ... ... ... Apr 16 full moon after spring equinox
2022 ... May 2 ... start cycle 1 ... ... ... ... ... May 16 full moon
2022 ... Jun 2 ... start cycle 2 ... ... ... ... ... ... Jun 14 full moon
2022 ... Jun 31 ... start cycle 3 ... ... ... ... ... ... Jul 13 full moon after summer solstice
2022 ... Jul 30 ... start cycle 4 (Ramadan) ... ... Aug 12 full moon
2022 ... Aug 29 ... (end fast and 4 cycle prohibition)

4 cycle prohibition varies yearly start spring to end of July/August (N Hemisphere)

It's opposite for S Hemisphere i.e. their Ramadan is North's winter and vice versa

algummlil

peace, the only way to easily tell time is place a stick with a circle e.g. via sundial

spring equinox (equal day/night ~ March 20) sunrise/sunset equal across circle
wait for full moon start cycle 1 next new moon crescent
the 4th cycle Ramadan/heat is after full moon after summer solstice (~ June 21)

http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/moon/phases2001gmt.html

2022 .... Apr 3 ... moon crescent ... ... ... ... Apr 16 full moon after spring equinox
2022 ... May 2 ... start cycle 1 ... ... ... ... ... May 16 full moon
2022 ... Jun 2 ... start cycle 2 ... ... ... ... ... ... Jun 14 full moon
2022 ... Jun 31 ... start cycle 3 ... ... ... ... ... ... Jul 13 full moon after summer solstice
2022 ... Jul 30 ... start cycle 4 (Ramadan) ... ... Aug 12 full moon
2022 ... Aug 29 ... (end fast and 4 cycle prohibition)

4 cycle prohibition varies yearly start spring to end of July/August (N Hemisphere)

It's opposite for S Hemisphere i.e. their Ramadan is North's winter and vice versa

4 cycle prohibition varies yearly start spring to end of July/August (N Hemisphere), how did you get there by reading the Quran?

Usamah_al-Mudathir

A translation of the Quran 981 Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind the messenger of God, and they disliked striving with their money and lives in the cause of God; and they say "Do not mobilize in the heat." Say "The fire of Hell is much hotter," if they could only understand.

So the restricted months were in the summer. Now we only have to know if they start in the end of spring or end in fall.

Euphoric

A translation of the Quran 981 Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind the messenger of God, and they disliked striving with their money and lives in the cause of God; and they say "Do not mobilize in the heat." Say "The fire of Hell is much hotter," if they could only understand.

So the restricted months were in the summer. Now we only have to know if they start in the end of spring or end in fall.

How is this related to the restricted months?