Alcohol and spending (giving money) in 2:219
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A single ayet always talks about a single topic, things which are connected as a whole. First, 2219 is answering the question about el-khamr and el-meysir. El-khamr is anything that covers our mind, perception, making things foggy, vague. This is why this word is understood as wine or alcohol, but that's not the only meaning, since many substances can make that effect on us. El-meysir is another tool, for making "things easy" and this could be understood as any "relaxational drug", which includes sedatives, pain-killers and many other substances people use.
As we can understand from the answer there is a huge ithm (scolding, bad talk against/in) in these and some benefits. We could understand this even without any answer, but we can see even today people arguing about use of alcohol, marijuana, etc., even it's very clear that our intentions are crucial in determining if these substances are positive or negative. (they're not Haraam, nor Halaal)
Then an answer to another question comes, in the same context, about what to spend/give to others. We were already told in 2215 that it should be from something good (min khayr), and it should be spent to two (foster) parents, the nearest, orphans, disabled and homeless. So, we can see that Allah didn't provide full answer, cause He told about a quality and object of spending, but not the source (where from). This answer is the source, and it's el-'afw. This word comes from the root which is used in sense of pardoning and this is anything we don't need, what is a surplus to us.
Some people need whatever they have, so they don't have anything to give, some have little, some have more, it's not the same amount, but the source is the same - surplus. We have many examples of this in the Qur'an, if we wanna think and learn and recognize what is el-'afw to us.
The reason why opiates (el-khamr) and relaxational drugs (el-meysir) were used in the same context with the source of giving is that we should give as we are drunk and relaxed, not to question and make second thoughts on giving what is surplus to us. These (three) are Allah's aayaat (signs) to think about (in this life and next one, which is the next topic to think about).
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That's all factually incorrect.
Khamr is wine, and not alcohol or opiates. No classical Arabic lexicon has ever defined Khamr as alcohol or opiates. This is a tampering of the definition.
Khamr was specifically used for a fermented drink from grapes (wine). But because of false hadiths attributed to the prophet, and through analogy, Khamr was changed and given a wider definition. Fortunately, its original meaning remained and was adopted by the jurists in Basra and Kufa who gave verdicts accordingly. That's why they permitted alcohol but forbade drunkenness and wine.
Maysir is derived from yasar, which is when something is imposed on a person. Yaasir is the person who casts the divining arrows.
Al-Azharee said "Maysir is the slaughtered camel for which they are betting. It is called Maysir because it is divided into parts and the Yaasir is the slaughterer because he divides the meat into portions.
He said that this is the original root of yaasir and then it was used for those who cast arrows and gamble for animals. The yaasiroon are slaughterers because the maysir the reason for the slaughtering taking place.
The verb yasara is used for the people who slaughter the camel and divide up its joints."
Whether they're prohibited or not is a different issue. Quran gave a conditional prohibition and not forbidding them in absolute.
Alcohol and drugs are allowed as long as one doesn't reach a state of sukara in Salaah.
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No classical Arabic lexicon has ever defined Khamr as alcohol or opiates.
Maybe you should check Lane's
any intoxicating thing, that clouds, or obscures (lit. covers) the intellectI also wonder how "something imposed on a person" can become "who casts dividing arrows", or backwards?!
You could also check خُمُر and many words from ي س ر.
thx for your euphoric input
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Maybe you should check Lane's I also wonder how "something imposed on a person" can become "who casts dividing arrows", or backwards?!
You could also check خُمُر and many words from ي س ر.
thx for your euphoric input
Lane's isn't an authority on Quranic Arabic. Roots only show the words birth, not its meaning.
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Lane's isn't an authority on Quranic Arabic. Roots only show the words birth, not its meaning.
I agree, but I said also
You could also check خُمُر and many words from ي س ر.So. maybe you could check all other instances of the root of these words, and try to relate khamr as "wine" only and any meaning for khumur that comes from that verbal noun, as well as relation of meysir and other words from yay-sin-ra.
What I wrote is what I understood and shared, no need to accept it.
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Khamr in verse 2219 (and verse 590 by the same way) has nothing to do with wine, alcohol and other kind of intoxicants.
In fact, there are two distinct uses of the word khamr in Qur'an.One use of khamr, corresponding to its usual Arabic meaning, means wine as in verse 4715.
The other use in verses 2219 and 590 is not an Arabic word (or does not come from Arabic) and means something else that I will come to.
Despite alleged Qur'anic claim that Qur'an is in pure Arabic language, Qur'an actually contains a lot of words from other origins.Such is khamr in verses 2219 and 590 which does not come from Arabic but from Syriac.
In Syriac, the word khumra has different meanings, but the most interesting one is "amulet', see the Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon.https//i.postimg.cc/brMF5WzP/Capture-d-cran-2021-05-13-182922.png
Amulet is exactly what Qur'an means in verses 2219 and 590, this meaning perfectly fits into the textual context where Qur'an despises magical practices.
What is at stake here ?
Despite what Islamic tradition alleges, the milieu of the Qur'an preacher was not a polytheist one (like e.g. Hindus or Ancient Greeks) but a Gnostic one.
Gnostics belonged to Jewish and Christian traditions, though with some twists compared to Judaism and Christianity as we know them today.There are numerous hints to Gnostics beliefs in Qur'an, but the most important ones are that Gnostics believed that salvation happens through knowledge of the unseen (a belief that Qur'an rejects), Gnostics despised the (divine) Law (whereas Qur'an insists that the divine Law is fundamental to salvation), and Gnostics practiced Magic a lot, which Qur'an vehemently rejects.
In fact, if you want to know what Islam before Qur'an looked like, it would probably have looked like marabout practices in Maghreb today, which is a mix of Sufism (which itself is a survival of the ancient Gnostic beliefs into Islam) and Magic.
Also, contrary to what Islamic tradition alleges, Qur'an was written after Arabs started to found a kingdom in Near and Middle East, not before.
The problem those Arabs were confronted to is how to rule those new lands.
They didn't have a good basis and thinking to establish the Law (since, as Gnostics, they didn't devise so much on that topic).
It is therefore likely that they sometimes resorted to Magic for legal matters.This is where Qur'an entered into the game by preaching and saying that they had to take the question of the Law, i.e. the Deen, very seriously.