Is astral projection real
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Since you mentioned it, pray share your encounter experience?
It's a long story. All I want to say now is that he had the appearance of a human and could read my mind telepathically.
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Peace,
We live inside of our bodies, and you can call us what you like i.e., soul, spirit, etc., that is why we say "my" foot, my knee, my arm because our bodies belong and are separate from you name it soul, spirit, etc. When we dream our bodies does not accompany us.
The jinn are physical beings. you can't see them because they dwell inside of people, same for humans while Satan resides inside of both, that is why you have good jinn as well as good humans. Satan is not some outside force that influences people but dwells inside of each of us who must be controlled.
God bless you
peacePeace
How can a physical being be inside of a human? Jinn did dwell in the sky, remember.
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Of course it's physical. And he's talking about now, not in the apocalypse.
I repeat, angels, jinns, human beings...they are all physical and material. Even Paradise and hell are material.
The belief in an immaterial spirit world comes from satanic and perverted spiritism.
The verse you cited also talks about material angels supporting the good while they are still in the world. If you read the whole paragraph you can easily see the truth.
There are no spirits/souls, there are no ghosts.
By the way, we also see in the verses that the jinn have an advanced civilization, both underwater and space travel. They were created long before us and it is normal for them to be advanced in science and technology.
Peace
If they're physical yet invisible, why hasn't anybody ever bumped into these physical beings and wondered what they bumped into?
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It's a long story. All I want to say now is that he had the appearance of a human and could read my mind telepathically.
'And when We decreed for him death, nothing indicated to them his death except a creature of the earth eating his staff.1 But when he fell, it became clear to the jinn that if they had known the unseen, they would not have remained in humiliating punishment.' 3414
If they could read minds, they would have realised prophet Sulaiman was no longer alive.
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The discussions are getting very interesting. Seems every one has a different opinion about the concepts mentioned in Quran.
For example translation of the verse 3414 I found from GA Pervez who was also regarded as following Quran only.- After Solomon’s death, his son ascended the throne. The son, unlike his father or grand father, was an ordinary below average human being (3834). As such the grandeur, might and authority of Daud and Sulaiman's period just vanished away (and ten of the Bani-Israel's tribes revolted against him). Similarly the uncivilzed tribes who were working hard in complete submission, realized this fact and became rebellious, feeling sorry that they had remained subjugated to a weak person. Had they known this earlier (that power and might is just in name and that he had lost all his strength), they would never have continued suffering such humiliating servitude.
It appears to definition of Jinn is not authentic among Quranists, for example in above excerpt from GA Pervex Jinn are Humans of different uncivilized being.
I just rememver the verse when it was mentioned in one of the replies posted lately and thouht to share this not intending to divert from the subject.
Hence I feel the definition of Jinn is not agreed upon....
Refhttps//www.parwez.tv/abid/mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/Exposition%20of%20Quran.htm
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Interesting translation by Pervez. Btw, jinn is something/somebody far in space or perception, ie. alien/stranger, and if this is about creatures they're always human, but stranger to the subjects. In surah Jinn (72.) these jinn are talking about jinn (strangers) to them.
In Antic and Middle Ages people knew that dirt is causing food to rotten and can cause illness, since they didn't know exactly why they named it jinn, cause it was out of their perception. Later, when microscope discovered, humans discovered many of these jinn and called them bacteria, fungi, etc.
Theoretically, there could be some creatures we cannot see, since our eyes register only visible light (a small part of light), but I agree that these creatures would have solid bodies, Creatures of fire and air are just myth, since Allah told that He created all out of water, and air and fire cannot be a container for water, only "earth", solid things.
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When I read most of the threads here how pathetic it is.. Seriously...
When people say something bring evidence from Quran for what you speak. .dont discard Arabic grammar as well.. Word usage by God.. People are not bothered to state whatever they want..
May God guide us...
Assumptions are not truth eventhough it truth.. ... Truth is only truth... Not while it was assumed..
Some of malaika God has given the capacity to shape shift or disguise... Of course according to Quran to the shape of human being.. They have soul though they are in the shape of human...
Don't ever neglect the fact that Jinn were created well before human (Adam) and they are different... Though every creature needs water the basic of material for creation of Jinn is fire while for human it is soil..
Human that I and you see are not jinn... Don't speak what you have no knowledge of.. -
Sahih International 'And He created the jinn from a smokeless flame of fire.' 5515
Jinn are not made from fire, they're made from 'smokeless fire'. For all we know, it could mean electricity (though I'm not claiming it is). Perhaps they're made of gas but I still think their nature is spiritual and in a different dimension to the material realm although they can also be a part of it.
The jinn being just a different type of human theory doesn't make sense because jinn are invisible. We cannot see them but they can see us. even if you were to say, it's more about not knowing their minds since their minds are different, that still wouldn't make sense because we also don't know human beings' minds inside out. But then again, maybe I'm wrong here if the original verse I posted only refers to the bad jinn i.e. Satan and his tribe
'O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not.' 727
I wonder if prophet Sulaiman could see his jinn workers...
Even if we were to entertain the idea of jinn being a different type of human, why is it that nobody has or at least 99.9% of people have never seen a human who can get an object from a different place at the speed of light? That would be equal to a person teleporting...it always made more sense to me that a creature with such ability cannot possibly be human.
Plus, why would God make a distinction between humans and jinn as if they're a different species if they're not?
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Sahih International 'And He created the jinn from a smokeless flame of fire.' 5515
Jinn are not made from fire, they're made from 'smokeless fire'. For all we know, it could mean electricity (though I'm not claiming it is). Perhaps they're made of gas but I still think their nature is spiritual and in a different dimension to the material realm although they can also be a part of it.
The jinn being just a different type of human theory doesn't make sense because jinn are invisible. We cannot see them but they can see us. even if you were to say, it's more about not knowing their minds since their minds are different, that still wouldn't make sense because we also don't know human beings' minds inside out. But then again, maybe I'm wrong here if the original verse I posted only refers to the bad jinn i.e. Satan and his tribe
'O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not.' 727
I wonder if prophet Sulaiman could see his jinn workers...
Even if we were to entertain the idea of jinn being a different type of human, why is it that nobody has or at least 99.9% of people have never seen a human who can get an object from a different place at the speed of light? That would be equal to a person teleporting...it always made more sense to me that a creature with such ability cannot possibly be human.
Plus, why would God make a distinction between humans and jinn as if they're a different species if they're not?
Well assumptions are good but we should not deduce it to be perfect...
God has clearly used NAAR which is none other than fire... Yes fire can be of any nature... Like God says Min Marij Min Naar... But we cannot say it is smoke less..
Furthet iblees prove he was created by fire.. Mere fire..
Further God says in 1527 He created Jinn Fire shamum.. Fire scorching.. Scorching here is correct in my understanding... Check all shamum verses..
Whatever it is buy Basic is Fire... -
Sahih International 'And He created the jinn from a smokeless flame of fire.' 5515
As matter of fact, 5515 is not talking about jinn, but jaann, as an opposition to insaan in 5514. In this context, these words mean "spiritual" (soul) and "material" (body) component of humans. Twice, in 2710 and 2831, Musa's staff turned into jaann. In these occurrences jaann is translated as "snake", because in 7107 and 2632 word thu'baan ثُعْبَان was used instead of jaann and they understood is as "a snake", so they thought jaann in previously mentioned aayaat is also "snake". But thu'baan can mean instability and telling that Musa's staff had some unstable form, it wasn't solid, as in "magic shows" some smoke appears.
In the first occurrence in 1527, we were told that jaann is created out of naar es-semoom. This is literally "fire of poison". Scientist discovered that all energy we have comes from what they called "pyrophosphate". This name comes from Greek "pyro" for "fire" and "phosphorus" for "poison" (they called poisons phosphor), and we would have no energy without them, and even women could not be pregnant without it.
"Sounding clay" from which our material body was made is explaining how we "hear voices" in us, they echo inside, thus our bodies are like pottery (ceramics).
Verb khaleqa خَلَقَ used in these aayaat is not just about creating something (out of something else), for which a verb je'ale جَعَلَ is appropriate. Khaleqa means planning and perfectly conducting a plan to create something. Name el-Khaaliq is more Architect then Creator (which is Jaa'il). You can see both verbs and names are translated same, which is impossible. So, whenever khaleqa is used it's about perfection of creation, which correlates with creation's reason for creating, ie. we were given all we need to achieve what we were created for. In these cases we were given a material which makes an energy we need for living, and we can hear echo of voices within us.
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I wonder if prophet Sulaiman could see his jinn workers...
Jinn workers for Suleymaan are strangers, Phoenicians who worked on temple. Some of them are also called šeyTaans. This word in general means that somebody is going over bounds constantly. In my language we have 3 words from the same root, namely "mašta", "taština" and sujeta", of which "mašta" means "imagination", and other two mean "vanity" and "conceit". For these builders being šeyTaans means that they used imagination to build things for Suleymaan, they were not ordinary builders, which is why he used strangers to build.
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Of course it's physical. And he's talking about now, not in the apocalypse.
I repeat, angels, jinns, human beings...they are all physical and material. Even Paradise and hell are material.
The belief in an immaterial spirit world comes from satanic and perverted spiritism.
The verse you cited also talks about material angels supporting the good while they are still in the world. If you read the whole paragraph you can easily see the truth.
There are no spirits/souls, there are no ghosts.
By the way, we also see in the verses that the jinn have an advanced civilization, both underwater and space travel. They were created long before us and it is normal for them to be advanced in science and technology.
Peace
And very special and exceptional people, such as martyrs and prophets, are already living physically in the Hereafter universe called the Lord's Floor.
No souls, no ghosts
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611687.0
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Jinn workers for Suleymaan are strangers, Phoenicians who worked on temple. Some of them are also called šeyTaans. This word in general means that somebody is going over bounds constantly. In my language we have 3 words from the same root, namely "mašta", "taština" and sujeta", of which "mašta" means "imagination", and other two mean "vanity" and "conceit". For these builders being šeyTaans means that they used imagination to build things for Suleymaan, they were not ordinary builders, which is why he used strangers to build.
If you read all the verses about the jinn and the whole Qur'an in its entirety, you can easily see the fallacy of this.
Some so-called Quran-only people say there is no prayer/salaat, no fasting, no pilgrimage, no jinn, no angels, and they are talking nonsense.
They call jinns germs or human, angels natural phenomena. The pantheistic Sufis even say that Allah/God does not exist. According to them, God is the representation of the system and the universes themselves are the so-called god.
And again they try to present their perverted communist beliefs as if they were from the book.
You can try to validate your beliefs, including atheism, from the book, either by tweaking verses, giving symbolic meanings to verses, or ignoring certain verses... by deceiving yourself of course...
Peace
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Bro, no need to tekfeer me. If you wanna discuss bring your Hujjaat or ask me to explain better anything you want, or just cool off and skip. I'm not all-wise nor all-knowing, I'm saying what I've learned from the Qur'an about the world we live in. I've found in history that Phoenicians were builders of Solomon's temple, because there were no builders like them in that time. I've already found that jinn is something out of perception/senses, so I connected the dots. I don't know about your issues with sufis, they can believe whatever they want. Every man has his reasons.
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Bro, no need to tekfeer me..
No, I'm not talking about you anyway, calm down, man. No need to panic. You are questioning in good faith.
Peace
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Peace
How can a physical being be inside of a human?
We live inside of our bodies. You can call what occupies the body what you like i.e., soul, spirit, etc., that is why we say "my" foot, my knee, my arm our bodies belong to us and are separate from what people call soul, spirit etc., . When we dream our bodies does not accompany us. There is no other physical inside of our physical bodies.
Peace
Jinn did dwell in the sky, remember.The jinn dwelling in the sky is an allegory telling us that Allah protected Quran from corruption.
God bless you
peace
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We live inside of our bodies. You can call what occupies the body what you like i.e., soul, spirit, etc., that is why we say "my" foot, my knee, my arm our bodies belong to us and are separate from what people call soul, spirit etc., . When we dream our bodies does not accompany us. There is no other physical inside of our physical bodies.
The jinn dwelling in the sky is an allegory telling us that Allah protected Quran from corruption.
God bless you
peace
Wow... What an statement... What make you say so. .Why you choose allegorical instead of literal meaning...
Any support from Quran please to what you say only in relation to Jinn pls. Not any subject though..
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Astral projection as I understand it is when your soul is able to leave your body and travel to different places whilst you're awake...
When the Qur'an mentions Iblis and his tribe can see you but you can't see him, are part of his tribe human too?
Yes "Astral Projection" is real and is called by many names in many languages since ancient times.
What is being "Projected" is the consciousness.
Thus it is the "Consciousness" focused on different layer of body thus experiencing different realm / universe.Natural events such as physical death, near death experience and sleeping is an example of "astral projection". One can also experience astral projection through hypnosis or deep meditation.
There are multiple universes each sits one after the other on specific range of "energy frequencies". Physicist is starting to probe on this through their theory of Multiverses which came forth as the consequences of "String theory" where everything vibrates.
The metaphor is similar to the radio, you can focus on specific range of frequencies and you will experience the radio station which situated on that specific range of frequency. You can then shift the dial to focus on different range of frequencies.
Among those universes / realm frequencies are those who are 'not so nice', everything is dark and gloomy, hatred and fear dominate the environment. As such any 'entity' there are not so nice either. Many people label this as "Lower Astral Realms".
And among those universes / realm frequencies are those who are very nice, everything is bright and happy, love and positivity dominate the environment, The "entity" there are very nice, many people label this as "Higher Astral Realms".
Where the "lower" and "higher' here resemble the "frequency" that you are tuning into.
While the physical world that you're experiencing during your wakeful state lies "in between" that's why you find a good mix of negativity and also positivity. Enabling you to "tune in" to the either negative or positive based on your own free will.If you're interested I can refer you to materials which better explain this and can help you to experience 'astral projection' yourself.
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Wow... What an statement... What make you say so. .Why you choose allegorical instead of literal meaning...
Any support from Quran please to what you say only in relation to Jinn pls. Not any subject though..
Thank youHere is a good start jkhan, you may find this info useful.
From reading the Quran I deduce that the jinn are misunderstood, and your Arabic is superior to mind. Having said that here is what I would like to share with you. Why Jinn cannot be other creature than human beings? Reason # 1– Jinn & Ins = Bashar. Throughout the Qur’an, it is told that all the messengers were Bashar(human)
“You are but only Bashar/Human like us. Then bring us a sign if you are of the truthful.” (Al Qur’an 26154)And “O you jinns and Ins, did you not receive messengers from among you, who narrated to you My revelations, and warned you about the meeting of this day? They will say, “We bear witness against ourselves.” They were totally preoccupied with the worldly life, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.” (Al Qur’an 6130)
Say, “If angels walked about and dwelled on the earth, We would have sent an angel from the heaven as messenger.” (Al Qur’an 1795)
This Insha'Allah is very important to understand
“There were men(Rijāl) from among Ins who used to seek help from the men(Rijāl) among the Jinn, but they only helped increase them in sin.” (Al Qur’an 726)
Rijal, what does it mean? Have a look rijall 1Rā-Jīm-Lām= walk, to go on foot. to comb, to let down, behave like a man; to walk all the way, to become a man, reach the age of manhood, grow up; to act like a manMostly people use Chapter Al-Rahman in support of their mythical theory on jinn.
Their beautiful mates were never touched by any human or jinn. If one focus on these verses in depth, the chapter doesn’t prove jinn as other creature than a human being. Does that chapter really prove Jinn as other creature than human beings? how comes the ships, pearls, hanging fruits, mates, and fountains be marvels for the invisible creature, physically made of fire? How can they have forelocks and feet? (5241)
Conclusion The root of “Jinn” is “jīm nūn nūn”, which means concealed, darkness, insanity/madness, hidden (my personal addition sneaky)
Therefore in my opinion 72 8&9 are metaphorical.
God bless you
peace
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Here is a good start jkhan, you may find this info useful.
From reading the Quran I deduce that the jinn are misunderstood, and your Arabic is superior to mind. Having said that here is what I would like to share with you. Why Jinn cannot be other creature than human beings? Reason # 1– Jinn & Ins = Bashar. Throughout the Qur’an, it is told that all the messengers were Bashar(human)
“You are but only Bashar/Human like us. Then bring us a sign if you are of the truthful.” (Al Qur’an 26154)And “O you jinns and Ins, did you not receive messengers from among you, who narrated to you My revelations, and warned you about the meeting of this day? They will say, “We bear witness against ourselves.” They were totally preoccupied with the worldly life, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.” (Al Qur’an 6130)
Say, “If angels walked about and dwelled on the earth, We would have sent an angel from the heaven as messenger.” (Al Qur’an 1795)
This Insha'Allah is very important to understand
“There were men(Rijāl) from among Ins who used to seek help from the men(Rijāl) among the Jinn, but they only helped increase them in sin.” (Al Qur’an 726)
Rijal, what does it mean? Have a look rijall 1Rā-Jīm-Lām= walk, to go on foot. to comb, to let down, behave like a man; to walk all the way, to become a man, reach the age of manhood, grow up; to act like a manMostly people use Chapter Al-Rahman in support of their mythical theory on jinn.
Their beautiful mates were never touched by any human or jinn. If one focus on these verses in depth, the chapter doesn’t prove jinn as other creature than a human being. Does that chapter really prove Jinn as other creature than human beings? how comes the ships, pearls, hanging fruits, mates, and fountains be marvels for the invisible creature, physically made of fire? How can they have forelocks and feet? (5241)
Conclusion The root of “Jinn” is “jīm nūn nūn”, which means concealed, darkness, insanity/madness, hidden (my personal addition sneaky)
Therefore in my opinion 72 8&9 are metaphorical.
God bless you
peace
Well Hawk that's a pretty good elaboration giving support from Quran for you to assume (note I used word assume) that Jinn are human.. Yes for anyone who ponder based on what you have written it may well sound like Hmmm yes... These are critical points I also have given much thought process into it... Service marketing and product marketing are not same.. Are they? Lol..
So you took verses which can encourage you to take Jinn as human... But unfortunately you didn't bring verses that may make you ponder.. I wont bring all jinn verses here.. Pls go through all Jinn verses a d further compare...
But the point is you took mataphore certain verses.. And I asked why? You didn't reply why and how? But you explained something else bro..
So 728-9 is metaphorical by choice... Did you read all relevant verses in chapter 72 and each word why God used ... After that only you say mataphore.. Is it coz Jinn is directly speaking in this chapter that is why you say mataphore...
Don't forget same subject is spoken direct by Allah in other 2 places in Quran..
Whatever.. Give the logical reason why these verses are metaphorical.. Is it coz without taking them as metaphorical no way we can deduce Jinn as human...
Hope you get my tone well hope you give a comprehensive explanation relevant to question and not deviate from it.. Coz you made a statement in your first thread.. I question you based on that... Let's stick it..You statement which I took for discussion is
"The jinn dwelling in the sky is an allegory telling us that Allah protected Quran from corruption"
