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Why do miracles not happen in our time

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    Sarah
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    Peace

    Could it be because we are near the very end? Maybe the only miracle we'll witness is the day of judgment? Because why would God give so many past nations miracles yet leave us with none?

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      If you by "miracles" think about things which are not natural, impossible, then miracles don't happen in our time because that kind of miracles never happening, like "splitting of the Moon", "splitting of the sea", "resurrection of the dead"", "she-camel comes out of the mountain", etc.

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        God sent miracles with Messengers as proof and support to the believers..
        How can the world as it is now witness a perpetual physical miracle so that all of us-inhabitants of the earth= can see it with our own eyes?

        GOD s answer here
        "Is it not enough of a miracle-to all- that we sent you this book=Qoran-?

        And just like the old generations, some will see and believe, some will not see/ or be interested and others will see and not believe-even counter GOD s miracle with their own false knowledge /magic--..
        "SUNNATA ALLAH ALLATI KAD KHALAT MIN KABL"- "GOD S SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF HUMANITY"

        Miracles have always been for believers. And there will always be believers and disbelievers regardless of miracles. The Amana chosen by us is played out and the test must happen.

        Coming back to Qoran

        "اللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحسَنَ الحَديثِ كِتٰبًا مُتَشٰبِهًا مَثانِىَ تَقشَعِرُّ مِنهُ جُلودُ الَّذينَ يَخشَونَ رَبَّهُم ثُمَّ تَلينُ جُلودُهُم وَقُلوبُهُم إِلىٰ ذِكرِ اللَّهِ ذٰلِكَ هُدَى اللَّهِ يَهدى بِهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَمَن يُضلِلِ اللَّهُ فَما لَهُ مِن هادٍ"

        GOD sent down THE BEST HADITH", a book- (the whole of Qoran is always referred to as the book in the verses talking about the complete book of 114 surah, Qoran is parts of the book like verse or surah or part of surahs,or multiples of surahs...)-- MUTASHABIHAN consistent even though many verses in it are similar yet never contradict., and MATHANI- it points to two ways--STRAIGHT PATH OR TAGHUT, HEAVEN OR HELL,BELIEBVE OR DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT,-GOOD OR BAD...julud- our sensors in our skin in our body- will feel then our skin will cringe/get goosepimples from yamassuhu- al muttaharoon/grasped welcomed by the sincere in heart and value/reverence GOD-...Then the Julud/skins and hearts will accept love /apply =dhikr Allah/GOD S MESSAGE .Such is GOD s guidance , He bestows it upon whom He wills - those who choose to- and does the opposite-not guide- with those who refuse it,because only GOD can guide and nothing else.

        Can you see any/ the miracles sister Sarah in GOD s book?

        Look the Traditional Muslims and those who follow other authorities as a religion have produced "Hadiths" of their own to counter GOD s assertion that His book is the best hadith period. No need for any comparison, any books/hadiths of humans. Yet some dare to call their books the same name- i.e hadith- to hijack GOD s authority!

        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          amin
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          Miracles do happen, but this will not be visible directly or majority never agree with those, but this will be visible and known only to few and also possibly to the next generation. The fall of evil leaders with their ambitions, also this Covid fear, to me is a miracle. The win of good over evil should be a miracle.

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            Jafar
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            It depends on how one define "Miracle".
            To me miracle happened every day.

            Miracle = An event where one is confused on how it actually happened.

            Thus yes miracle is subjective in nature.
            Once one know how it actually happened, it shall be no longer considered as a miracle by him/her.

            Could it be because we are near the very end?

            The end of what?
            Every end is a beginning, every beginning is an end.
            That by itself could be a 'miracle'.

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              good_logic
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              Filling our heart with love for GOD and all His creations will transform our eyes.
              They will see miracles everywhere.
              Everything created is a miracle.
              GOD bless you all.
              Peace.

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                Peace

                Could it be because we are near the very end? Maybe the only miracle we'll witness is the day of judgment? Because why would God give so many past nations miracles yet leave us with none?

                You need to be precise what Miracles you were talking about when you started this thread? As mentioned by Good Logic. Quran is the miracle of all, isn't it? so perhaps you were referring to the verse of Quran where on the surface it appears a non-natural phenomenon which Aladin Azra has replied and clarified, in which case I tend to agree with his opinion. God knows best.

                In todays time for me the current nations have exceed by far most in comparison to the miracles you talk about handed over to past nations. The means of communications like travel, talking to some one miles away, even communicating to you and others on this forum instantly is by far miracles if these were presented to the men of past times, they would not have believed that men can invest such things.
                For example here in arabia when telephone was invented the religious scholars says satan is speaking on the other side and its an evil miracle, same goes for recording video and audi and the list goes on. The most miraculous incident is for men to reach out into outerspace and tomorrow perhaps possible humanity may exit Earth and move to some far distant planet because of the climate change... but you see all of these are understanding of God's natural physical laws and make the best or worst out of it (atom bomb as an example). Compare this to old philosophy where we have writings in books of tafaseer where so called scholars (muslims christians etc) have translated and understood the verses in a way that is a limitation of their mind. eg. angels... every one believe they have wings and they can fly to heavens and all that undertanding.. While later man came to know there is no air in space and hence where we are today is a collective advancements in science by all nations. So knowledge of science is itself a miracle.

                Thanks for creating this thread because its something that i need to hear from you and others opinions in this matter, purpose is to share the knowledge.

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                  Noon_waalqalami
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                  Miracle Baby Born Celebrates First Birthday
                  https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn3Dxa8D33E

                  baby Richard ~141 days pregnancy beat cutoff time by one day!

                  as did baby Lyla ~151 days pregnancy beat it by about 11 days!

                  https//hcahealthcaretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/methodist-childrens_lyla.png

                  30 lunar = days weeks lunar + suckle time {year = solar (365.24 x 2 = 730.48 days)}

                  870 days = 140 20.00 4.83 + 730 days 25.17 lunar <= amayni (solar) 730 days = True
                  870 days = 141 20.14 4.86 + 729 days 25.14 lunar baby Richard <= 730 days = True
                  870 days = 151 21.57 5.21 + 719 days 24.79 lunar baby Lyla <= 730 days = True

                  https//www.academia.edu/60573093/Pregnancy_weaning_calculations_in_Qur_an

                  peace!

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                    Peace all,

                    Can someone help me find the word miracle in the Quran handshake
                    I typed the word miracle in the Qurancorpus and the results were search not found!
                    Any help will be appreciated.

                    peace

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                      Peace to you hawk99,

                      It is not a co-incidence that the word translated as 'sign' or 'miracle' in The Quran is commonly the word 'ayat' that means quite plainly 'verses' in the way that we understand them and contemplate on them. They are The Signs within The Book.

                      And the verses of The Quran indeed hold the Signs and Great Signs; all of them, and yet when they are manifest in plainly miraculous ways, even those who say they are grounded in knowledge and purity of thought can only turn their heads and eyes away, as the 'mountains' that had cast shadows upon them, crumble.

                      The annihilation of past communities stands for the destruction of falsehood and its harms. That is what the Signs accomplish.

                      People continue the futile search for supernatural events and entities in some physically or materially impossible momentary event (by universal standards), to prove things for them - when the generation of human 'consciousness' arising from within the substrate of the material world (the mind) is a miracle to those who know; and of 'prophet consciousness' which The God bestows upon chosen servants, interacting with the revealed signs of The Book inscribed in Scripture. This brings to believers a means to certainty and trust for The God through witnessing His Great Signs.

                      The Signs are brought to humanity through the 'prophet consciousness'. They are made manifest from the unseen; into our material reality to emerge as mathematically verifiable 'Clear Proof' ('al-bayina&#039 that we can record. And the revelation is true like all mathematical truth, for eternity; established and pre-destined by The God.

                      Peace.

                      Peace all,

                      Can someone help me find the word miracle in the Quran handshake
                      I typed the word miracle in the Qurancorpus and the results were search not found!
                      Any help will be appreciated.

                      peace

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                        The terminology of Mu‘jizah It is a supernatural occurrence associated with a challenge that cannot be opposed.

                        Mu'jiza would be form IV feminine singular active participle, never used in the Qur'an, but masculine form mu'jiz is used. The reason for feminine is due it's "a thing", "a condition" in which the verb's happening. Verb's describing inability. In a transitive form IV it can describe casting inability to somebody.

                        The reason mu'jiza is never used, as I see, is that mu'jiza doesn't exist, Allah is not casting anything upon us to disable us, to prevent us to escape from something. It's that He's All-Powerful and whatever our power is we cannot overcome His will, there's no need to impose anything on us.

                        Even Resulullah had a choice to deliver the Qur'an, so the Qur'an isn't mu'jiza as the "scholars" try to present it. But the Qur'an is aayet and in it are aayaat.

                        Word aayet can also describe something which is "not natural", but in a sense that it's not some everyday thing, (not a) thing one could expect as it's same as others, (not a) thing which is common, etc. It's not above His Laws, but something which is unusual, as we pass by all yellow houses and we see blue one, that could be aayet.

                        He creates aayaat for us to see/experience something different, but they're not "supernatural" either, as "scholars" are trying to find something visible to believe in.

                        We should know that some "things" cannot be known to us, but we can only believe. Thus nobody can find a proof for Allah or Aakhiret, because there's no way we can understand/see Allah and Hereafter, we have to believe. One can ask "why we have to believe kutub, rusul and melaa'iket?", since we can see "books" and people-mediums for His message (messengers). We can see, but belief is related to belief in Allah, since Allah's the Origin of the Qur'an and Muhammed is resool of Allah, we cannot know this, we cannot be witnesses and we cannot proof this by any logical argument. Otherwise if we present that argument others would understand it and many would accept it as an ultimate proof.

                        One should take belief in Allah and Aakhiret as a premise, axiom and build all logic on it.

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                          Miracles are events that happen outside the laws of physics. The Qur'an describes this very clearly and in detail.

                          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611877.0

                          By the way, who said it doesn't happen today? You only think so because you have not personally witnessed it.

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                            Miracles are events that happen outside the laws of physics. The Qur'an describes this very clearly and in detail.

                            https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611877.0

                            By the way, who said it doesn't happen today? You only think so because you have not personally witnessed it.

                            Peace

                            So...have you witnessed any?

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                              Peace

                              So...have you witnessed any?

                              Yes,

                              Peace

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                                Peace to you hawk99,

                                It is not a co-incidence that the word translated as 'sign' or 'miracle' in The Quran is commonly the word 'ayat' that means quite plainly 'verses' in the way that we understand them and contemplate on them. They are The Signs within The Book.

                                Peace truth, yes, the word ayat appears throughout the Quran, but where does the word "miracle" appear? Not miracle by deduction or analysis but the Arabic word miracle. thanks in advance.

                                Mu'jiza would be form IV feminine singular active participle, never used in the Qur'an, but masculine form mu'jiz is used. The reason for feminine is due it's "a thing", "a condition" in which the verb's happening. Verb's describing inability. In a transitive form IV it can describe casting inability to somebody.

                                The reason mu'jiza is never used, as I see, is that mu'jiza doesn't exist, Allah is not casting anything upon us to disable us, to prevent us to escape from something. It's that He's All-Powerful and whatever our power is we cannot overcome His will, there's no need to impose anything on us.

                                Peace Aladin Azra thanks for your reply, why isn't the parting of the sea or Noah's life span of 950years and other supernatural events not referred to as miracles? Must we decide what are miracles?

                                God bless

                                peace

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                                  Peace Hawk.
                                  As far as GOD is concerned there are no miracles. Everything is possible. GOD will not use the word -miracle - when He does something as everything is easily doable for Him.
                                  You will find Qoran using the word Aayat for signs, or verses or miracles- as far as we are concerned- and according to the context.

                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    Peace Aladin Azra thanks for your reply, why isn't the parting of the sea or Noah's life span of 950years and other supernatural events not referred to as miracles? Must we decide what are miracles?

                                    God bless

                                    peace

                                    We can't decide, but these "things" never happen. What is happening is all natural, bounded by natural laws. That's why if Allah wants to punish some town or area He was sending floods, strong winds, earthquakes, etc. No magic and no "angels from the Sky".

                                    Yes, there's a lot of things we don't understand, on personal or wider level, but yet nothing supernatural except in human imagination. People tend to ask/search for proves and that's great, but there's no "miracle" that can prove Allah, WE HAVE TO BELIEVE, we can't know.

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                                      Peace Hawk.
                                      As far as GOD is concerned there are no miracles.

                                      So as far as your good logic is concerned ) God did not reveal any miracles in his revelation. Therefore, I understand from your reply that the translators have incorrectly misinterpreted the use of the word "miracles".

                                      We can't decide, but these "things" never happen. What is happening is all natural, bounded by natural laws. That's why if Allah wants to punish some town or area He was sending floods, strong winds, earthquakes, etc. No magic and no "angels from the Sky".

                                      Yes, there's a lot of things we don't understand, on personal or wider level, but yet nothing supernatural except in human imagination. People tend to ask/search for proves and that's great, but there's no "miracle" that can prove Allah, WE HAVE TO BELIEVE, we can't know.

                                      Peace good brother in your opinion the splitting of the sea by Musa was not supernatural? The man who slept for a hundred years was that not supernatural.

                                      Are you saying those two things do not qualify as miracles. I am not asking about things like winds, floods, earthquakes, etc.

                                      God bless you

                                      peace

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                                        I do not want to hijack the discussion between hawk and aladin, just wanted to ask a question (without being on either side per se.

                                        Suppose we go back in time, way back and tell the men of those times, that in later centuries to come, man has set foot on moon, humans can communicate via people far off land by actually seeing and hearing em. men can vanish a whole city with millions of people with one nuclear missile, and the list goes on.
                                        What do you think those men at that time will say to us? for them these events of now would be super natural (if they have a definition of super natural) and they would not believe because for them these so called events can only be accomplished by God and not by humans..

                                        Fast forward several centuries from today, and support we witness planet earth as empty of any human life because humans have shifted to another planet or they found another earth and moved there... (of course using the technology available then),,,, would you and I not see that as super natural?

                                        The point is anything which we cant comprehend with our current state of mind and cant explain may be termed as super natural but it has happened due to the natural forces or ingredients which are already available in this universe. Some times God says be it and it happens and other times humans have learned how to do it.

                                        Some Quranists deny these super natural events and tried to explain the logic (especially parting of sea- where some quoted that Moses was told by God via wahee the exact time of low tide). For example see this link

                                        https//www.wsj.com/articles/how-did-moses-part-the-red-sea-1417790250#~text=In%20certain%20places%20in%20the,are%20said%20to%20have%20crossed.

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                                        "in certain places in the world, the tide can leave the sea bottom dry for hours and then come roaring back. In fact, in 1798, Napoleon Bonaparte and a small group of soldiers on horseback were crossing the Gulf of Suez, the northern end of the Red Sea, roughly where Moses and the Israelites are said to have crossed."

                                        The point I am trying to make or understand is that those events mentioned in Quran may have happened literally or metaphirically, but God has created this world with a precision and yes he can do all things but he has set in motion until a day when these laws will be broken - not before.

                                        In the end the main purpose is to believe in the message and you wont be asked about these events in order for you to be judged by Almighty.

                                        Best Regards

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                                          Adding to my previous reply.

                                          وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَىٰ قَوْمِهِ فَلَبِثَ فِيهِمْ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ إِلَّا خَمْسِينَ عَامًا فَأَخَذَهُمُ الطُّوفَانُ وَهُمْ ظَالِمُونَ

                                          And We certainly sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them a thousand years minus fifty years, and the flood seized them while they were wrongdoers.

                                          Now this is a super natural age for me if I consider 950 years (as per todays calendar cycle). Please correct me, do we find similar age verses in Quran or Noah is the only exception? If so then this verse could mean the era of Prophet Noah (not that he lived 950 years) or perhaps the way people count years in his time was shorter than our calendar days.

                                          Thanks

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