My Mission - Quran's One Translation - Wiki/Open-Source/Debate Format
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Walekum Salam - peace upon you too.
limited, what about billions of galaxies?
63 وهو and he الله the God فى in السموت the skies وفى and in الارض the landFor billions of galaxies Quran uses Samawaat at various places like Quran (503 where it is talking about whole Universe completed in 6 Periods. Why are you assuming that if Quran said that there are 'Saba Samawaat' then it automatically means that other heavens do not exist that are far beyond them?
peace, if going to translate need to be precise e.g. you addressed me as plural.
watched your video it's all over the place need to focus one topic/word at a time
likewise, you assume that I assume and use biblical terms by poets e.g. "heaven"
“The mind is its own place and, in itself can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven.” – John Miltonwe cannot continued this discussion until you first resolve the verse above
63 وهو and he الله the God فى in السموت l-samāwāti? وفى and in الارض the land
according to your video you're limiting The Almighty to earth and 7 planets?
btw, get rid of that awful glow font
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Welcome to the forum.
I have few questions if you do not mind.
Have you got a team in mind that you are inviting ?Are you looking to start from scratch with the basics of the Arabic roots and meanings of the letters? What is the source you are going to suggest to use for this?
What is the criteria of knowledge/qualification you are looking for in people to have them join you?
Are you vetting alone or with a panel?
Have you got a place and a venue for the project? Or online?
Thanks .
GOD bless you.
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peace, if going to translate need to be precise e.g. you addressed me as plural.
watched your video it's all over the place need to focus one topic/word at a time
likewise, you assume that I assume and use biblical terms by poets e.g. "heaven"
“The mind is its own place and, in itself can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven.” – John Miltonwe cannot continued this discussion until you first resolve the verse above
63 وهو and he الله the God فى in السموت l-samāwāti? وفى and in الارض the land
according to your video you're limiting The Almighty to earth and 7 planets?
btw, get rid of that awful glow font
There are three types of occurrences in Quran related to root word s-m-w-t
Sama - Sky, Atmosphere etc.
Saba Samawaat - Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity
Samawaat - Planets, Stars, Clusters, Universe or UniversesSamawaat - means any of the bodies of Universe including far reaches of our Universe and beyond. I
am not saying that Universe is limited in just these seven heavens. It is you who is assuming God only made seven heavens in total. Where in Quran it is said that 'I God, created seven heavens and that's all there is?' Where?
Saba Samawaat is Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity.
Here's why. 7115 mentions 'Saba Samawaat' i.e. Seven Heavens and in next verse 716 mentions Sun and Moon.
Let's assume God doesn't mean 'Saba Samwaat' to mean Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity. Why would he then say in 7116 ''And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?'
Why would God continue to verse 716 in this fashion? How is Moon and Sun significant for Seven Multiverses, Seven Layers of Observable Universe and Seven Layers of Atmosphere?
we cannot continued this discussion until you first resolve the verse above
63 وهو and he الله the God فى in السموت l-samāwāti? وفى and in الارض the land
I explained you already in my first reply as well that Samawaat is often used for stars, clusters, galaxies already in Quran. Why do you want to insist then God mentioning 'Saba Samawaat' is what God has created altogether and nothing else? It is your assumption based on previous belief you had. What this has to do with what actually is?
Where does in Quran it is said that God created seven heavens only. Tell me one verse where it is said so.
Furthermore, what keeps you away from the clarity in my video that speaks of how age of these seven bodies of classical antiquity as well as Age of Earth match perfectly with Science? Simple question to you.
What did God mean to say when he said he created seven heavens in layers? Do you think He's talking about layers beyond observable Universe? If you believe this based on Hadiths then note that even those Hadiths are all Zai'f as pointed out in my video.
What good purpose it is to reply to you continuously if you are not even open to look at the possibility, let alone accept it? You're not pointing me any mistakes in my video, all you're doing is continuing to rattle on with what you previously believed. Why not you continue to believe what you already believe and leave me alone then if you're not ready to even address specifics and clear proofs in my video.
That's like asking me, Why Quran says, 'We have adorned the worldly heaven with decoration of planets.' (Quran 376) mentions planets for decoration of sky? Planets are so few in number, how can they decorate the sky? Go ask God. Don't ask me this.
'We have adorned the worldly heaven with decoration of stars' (Quran 4112)
You should ask God why he did that not me. He should have only revealed 4112 and leave out 376. Right?
So why shouldn't I just shut up instead and don't speak to you. I don't see the point of Muslims now that have nothing Scientific in their arsenal and don't even question others like Students but always want to be a Teacher to everyone.
You're saying stuff like it is difficult to have conversation with you unless you continue with xyz verse. Why can't you yourself open your eyes wide, learn what is Scientific Method, see what logical fallacies if any I have made in my little video I sent you, and find the mistakes or arabic or science in it. You're not offering me anything helpful to improve my research or adding on to it, what you're doing is trying to strip away what I already have proven. All I want is that you disprove it. Simple.
I am not obliged to answer you about anything until you can ask a question that makes any sense. You yourself are limiting God's Universe by assuming that God made seven heavens and nothing else. It's you who are the problem, not me. I am open to Samawaat to mean objects of our Universe and beyond. All I am saying is that Quran makes it very clear that seven heavens is seven bodies of classical antiquity. This is not only based on 7115, 7116 but also 675, 676, 677 and 678. And even 41-9 to 12.
If you give a one liner answer again, please don't care to answer. Just forget it that we even had a conversation. I don't want to listen rattling of baseless arguments because then I rather ignore such people as a waste of time. If you can refute me with a detailed reply from what I have pointed out in my video, then you're welcome to answer.
What use is saying Salam or Peace be upon you etc. when we just want no Peace and just want to argue just for the sake of arguing. Only because we have a keyboard. Have something substantial that helps? Or want to make me feel myself stupid only?
Salam Alekum!
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Welcome to the forum.
I have few questions if you do not mind.
Have you got a team in mind that you are inviting ?Are you looking to start from scratch with the basics of the Arabic roots and meanings of the letters? What is the source you are going to suggest to use for this?
What is the criteria of knowledge/qualification you are looking for in people to have them join you?
Are you vetting alone or with a panel?
Have you got a place and a venue for the project? Or online?
Thanks .
GOD bless you.
Peace.Salam Alekum,
Good questions, thanks for your message.
Have you got a team in mind that you are inviting ?
Yes, sort of. I want people who have a good grip on Quranic Arabic. Others that have Scientific backgrounds, especially critical thinkers in the field of Astronomy, Medicine, Biology, Chemistry. Furthermore, people who have special interests in Quran and think out of the box. Remember, we can't let go off all the research and struggles of previous generations too. We must keep ourself in between. In between the creative, critical and out of the box thinking along with previous interpretations that are valid and sound already.
Are you looking to start from scratch with the basics of the Arabic roots and meanings of the letters? What is the source you are going to suggest to use for this?
Yes, from scratch. I think a few sites like quran.com, quranexplorer.com, quran-wiki.com, ejtaal.net, free-minds.org, zaytuna institute, bayinnah institute are great places to start for gathering research material. We can also contact a few previous translators like Dr. Mustafa Khattab etc. who wrote 'The Clear Quran' who might help in our cause.
What is the criteria of knowledge/qualification you are looking for in people to have them join you?
University Students with Islamic Studies, Alam Courses, Mufti Courses or Quranic Arabic Courses. College and University Students with Science Degree, Ph. D. or Postgraduate Diplomas in Cosmology, Astronomy, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, LLB, Political Sciences, Islamic Studies, Comparative Religion etc. We can do this in first phase of the project, by contacting such talent from LinkedIn.
Are you vetting alone or with a panel?
Currently alone. But may include partners later based on their interests.
Have you got a place and a venue for the project? Or online?
Online. Skype Conference Calls. Zoom Meeting Calls. Asana for Project Management. Evernote for Document Sharing. Github for Developers. We'll set time and schedule meetings. The first meeting we can have once we have at least 3 individuals with passion for such a project.
Let me know what you think?
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Salam Alekum,
Good questions, thanks for your message.
Have you got a team in mind that you are inviting ?
Yes, sort of. I want people who have a good grip on Quranic Arabic. Others that have Scientific backgrounds, especially critical thinkers in the field of Astronomy, Medicine, Biology, Chemistry. Furthermore, people who have special interests in Quran and think out of the box. Remember, we can't let go off all the research and struggles of previous generations too. We must keep ourself in between. In between the creative, critical and out of the box thinking along with previous interpretations that are valid and sound already.
Are you looking to start from scratch with the basics of the Arabic roots and meanings of the letters? What is the source you are going to suggest to use for this?
Yes, from scratch. I think a few sites like quran.com, quranexplorer.com, quran-wiki.com, ejtaal.net, free-minds.org, zaytuna institute, bayinnah institute are great places to start for gathering research material. We can also contact a few previous translators like Dr. Mustafa Khattab etc. who wrote 'The Clear Quran' who might help in our cause.
What is the criteria of knowledge/qualification you are looking for in people to have them join you?
University Students with Islamic Studies, Alam Courses, Mufti Courses or Quranic Arabic Courses. College and University Students with Science Degree, Ph. D. or Postgraduate Diplomas in Cosmology, Astronomy, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, LLB, Political Sciences, Islamic Studies, Comparative Religion etc. We can do this in first phase of the project, by contacting such talent from LinkedIn.
Are you vetting alone or with a panel?
Currently alone. But may include partners later based on their interests.
Have you got a place and a venue for the project? Or online?
Online. Skype Conference Calls. Zoom Meeting Calls. Asana for Project Management. Evernote for Document Sharing. Github for Developers. We'll set time and schedule meetings. The first meeting we can have once we have at least 3 individuals with passion for such a project.
Let me know what you think?
Salam...
Good to see immense passion to do something. Be positive in your tough journey.. May Allah bless if your intention is nothing other than the truth...
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There are three types of occurrences in Quran related to root word s-m-w-t
Sama - Sky, Atmosphere etc.
Saba Samawaat - Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity
Samawaat - Planets, Stars, Clusters, Universe or UniversesSamawaat - means any of the bodies of Universe including far reaches of our Universe and beyond. I
am not saying that Universe is limited in just these seven heavens. It is you who is assuming God only made seven heavens in total. Where in Quran it is said that 'I God, created seven heavens and that's all there is?' Where?
Saba Samawaat is Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity.
109 السما
9 والسما
1 سما
1 وىاسما
120 total (feminine sing.)182 السموت
3 والسموت
5 سموت
190 total (feminine plural)context is your friend where you get classical antiquity meanings?
Here's why. 7115 mentions 'Saba Samawaat' i.e. Seven Heavens and in next verse 716 mentions Sun and Moon.
Let's assume God doesn't mean 'Saba Samwaat' to mean Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity. Why would he then say in 7116 ''And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?'
Why would God continue to verse 716 in this fashion? How is Moon and Sun significant for Seven Multiverses, Seven Layers of Observable Universe and Seven Layers of Atmosphere?
7115 الم did not تروا see (realize) ye of كىف how خلق creation الله the God سبع seven سموت samāwātin (feminine pl.) طبقا superimposed of (thing that matches in form)
7116 وجعل and made القمر the moon (masculine) فىهن in them (feminine pl.) نورا light of وجعل and made الشمس the sun (feminine) سرجا radiant lamp of
I explained you already in my first reply as well that Samawaat is often used for stars, clusters, galaxies already in Quran. Why do you want to insist then God mentioning 'Saba Samawaat' is what God has created altogether and nothing else? It is your assumption based on previous belief you had. What this has to do with what actually is?
Where does in Quran it is said that God created seven heavens only. Tell me one verse where it is said so.
Furthermore, what keeps you away from the clarity in my video that speaks of how age of these seven bodies of classical antiquity as well as Age of Earth match perfectly with Science? Simple question to you.
What did God mean to say when he said he created seven heavens in layers? Do you think He's talking about layers beyond observable Universe? If you believe this based on Hadiths then note that even those Hadiths are all Zai'f as pointed out in my video.
What good purpose it is to reply to you continuously if you are not even open to look at the possibility, let alone accept it? You're not pointing me any mistakes in my video, all you're doing is continuing to rattle on with what you previously believed. Why not you continue to believe what you already believe and leave me alone then if you're not ready to even address specifics and clear proofs in my video.
That's like asking me, Why Quran says, 'We have adorned the worldly heaven with decoration of planets.' (Quran 376) mentions planets for decoration of sky? Planets are so few in number, how can they decorate the sky? Go ask God. Don't ask me this.
'We have adorned the worldly heaven with decoration of stars' (Quran 4112)
You should ask God why he did that not me. He should have only revealed 4112 and leave out 376. Right?
So why shouldn't I just shut up instead and don't speak to you. I don't see the point of Muslims now that have nothing Scientific in their arsenal and don't even question others like Students but always want to be a Teacher to everyone.
You're saying stuff like it is difficult to have conversation with you unless you continue with xyz verse. Why can't you yourself open your eyes wide, learn what is Scientific Method, see what logical fallacies if any I have made in my little video I sent you, and find the mistakes or arabic or science in it. You're not offering me anything helpful to improve my research or adding on to it, what you're doing is trying to strip away what I already have proven. All I want is that you disprove it. Simple.
again, only asked you to translate exactly the first six words in 63?
وهو الله فى السموت وفى الارضsimple question, right? btw, you write too much need to focus one word at a time.
I am not obliged to answer you about anything until you can ask a question that makes any sense. You yourself are limiting God's Universe by assuming that God made seven heavens and nothing else. It's you who are the problem, not me. I am open to Samawaat to mean objects of our Universe and beyond. All I am saying is that Quran makes it very clear that seven heavens is seven bodies of classical antiquity. This is not only based on 7115, 7116 but also 675, 676, 677 and 678. And even 41-9 to 12.
where am I assuming, quote me?
again, "heaven/s" is a biblical poets term, why you keep using it?If you give a one liner answer again, please don't care to answer. Just forget it that we even had a conversation. I don't want to listen rattling of baseless arguments because then I rather ignore such people as a waste of time. If you can refute me with a detailed reply from what I have pointed out in my video, then you're welcome to answer.
again, all over the place need focus one word at a time.
What use is saying Salam or Peace be upon you etc. when we just want no Peace and just want to argue just for the sake of arguing. Only because we have a keyboard. Have something substantial that helps? Or want to make me feel myself stupid only?
Salam Alekum!
654 سلم salam/peace علىكم alaykum/upon you (pl.)
1947 سلم salam/peace علىك alayka/upon you (sing.)again, you keep addressing me with plural "kum" (3+)?
again, if you want to do a translation; need to be precise!
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109 السما
9 والسما
1 سما
1 وىاسما
120 total (feminine sing.)182 السموت
3 والسموت
5 سموت
190 total (feminine plural)context is your friend where you get classical antiquity meanings?
7115 الم did not تروا see (realize) ye of كىف how خلق creation الله the God سبع seven سموت samāwātin (feminine pl.) طبقا superimposed of (thing that matches in form)
7116 وجعل and made القمر the moon (masculine) فىهن in them (feminine pl.) نورا light of وجعل and made الشمس the sun (feminine) سرجا radiant lamp of
again, only asked you to translate exactly the first six words in 63?
وهو الله فى السموت وفى الارضsimple question, right? btw, you write too much need to focus one word at a time.
where am I assuming, quote me?
again, "heaven/s" is a biblical poets term, why you keep using it?again, all over the place need focus one word at a time.
654 سلم salam/peace علىكم alaykum/upon you (pl.)
1947 سلم salam/peace علىك alayka/upon you (sing.)again, you keep addressing me with plural "kum" (3+)?
again, if you want to do a translation; need to be precise!
again, you assume; quote where I made you feel stupid?Salam Alayka,
The verse you mentioned, will be translated into
And He is God in the heavens and on earth.
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Salam...
Good to see immense passion to do something. Be positive in your tough journey.. May Allah bless if your intention is nothing other than the truth...
I will be always there in places where truth is...Would you like to be a part of my journey. I would be happy if you can introduce yourself. We all must play some part, however small. What you think?
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Salam Alayka,
The verse you mentioned, will be translated into
And He is God in the heavens and on earth.
If He is the God in the Heavens and on Earth then literally it means Earth is separate from Heavens (if anyone take Samawati as Universe)... "He is the God in the Universe and on Earth" is a ridiculous statement even anyone agree or not it doesn't matter... All knowledgeable people can reflect it won't make sense if Earth is not separate from Universe...
Sorry for off topic..
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Salam Alayka,
The verse you mentioned, will be translated into
And He is God in the heavens and on earth.
ok if like to use heavens whatever it means then be consistent
الْقُمُر the moon (masculine) root ق م ر
كَوْكَب cosmic objects (masculine) root ك و ك ب
نَجْم star (masculine) root ن ج م
عُطَارِد mercury (masculine) root ط ر د
اَلْمِرِّيخ mars (masculine) root م ر خ
الْمُشْتَرِي jupiter (masculine) root ش ر ي
زُحَل saturn (masculine) root ز ح ل
الزُّهَرَة venus (feminine) root ز ه ر
الشَّمْس the sun (feminine) root ش م س
سَمَآء samā/sky (feminine) root س م و
sky/skies i.e., everything above and beyond (celestial realms)https//ak.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5837156/preview/stock-footage--k-incredible-night-sky-stars-panorama-time-lapse-over-sand-dunes-in-the-death-valley-desert.webm
we look back at the past 13.8 billion years ago (uncertain)
if over 14 billion light can never reach us due to expansionsome estimate that all we currently see i.e., the billions of galaxies, etc., is like an atom compared to the actual size of the universe and likewise each point including "us" is literally at the center!
peace and take care
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/6/verse/3/manuscripts/163/page/45v
https//i.postimg.cc/TPk53x09/ch5v116-ch6v6.jpg
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If He is the God in the Heavens and on Earth then literally it means Earth is separate from Heavens (if anyone take Samawati as Universe)... "He is the God in the Universe and on Earth" is a ridiculous statement even anyone agree or not it doesn't matter... All knowledgeable people can reflect it won't make sense if Earth is not separate from Universe...
Sorry for off topic..
No Sir, it is not ridiculous statement. Let's say I say to you, 'You're a President of your country and your city'. Would that be wrong? These type of phrases are used for emphasis or specifying something. For example, 'I like all Burgers, including Big Mac'.
No problem for off-topic. Regardless of what Samawaat mean, Universe or the celestial bodies in Universe, doesn't negate the facts as laid down in my video. All I am saying in my video is that we have been wrong about certain things like Saba Samawaat, Ad-Dunia, Mislahunna, Yawm as translators are not God, but feeble human beings like us and we should treat them like humans, not God. To err is to be human.
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ok if like to use heavens whatever it means then be consistent
الْقُمُر the moon (masculine) root ق م ر
كَوْكَب cosmic objects (masculine) root ك و ك ب
نَجْم star (masculine) root ن ج م
عُطَارِد mercury (masculine) root ط ر د
اَلْمِرِّيخ mars (masculine) root م ر خ
الْمُشْتَرِي jupiter (masculine) root ش ر ي
زُحَل saturn (masculine) root ز ح ل
الزُّهَرَة venus (feminine) root ز ه ر
الشَّمْس the sun (feminine) root ش م س
سَمَآء samā/sky (feminine) root س م و
sky/skies i.e., everything above and beyond (celestial realms)https//ak.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5837156/preview/stock-footage--k-incredible-night-sky-stars-panorama-time-lapse-over-sand-dunes-in-the-death-valley-desert.webm
we look back at the past 13.8 billion years ago (uncertain)
if over 14 billion light can never reach us due to expansionsome estimate that all we currently see i.e., the billions of galaxies, etc., is like an atom compared to the actual size of the universe and likewise each point including "us" is literally at the center!
peace and take care
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/6/verse/3/manuscripts/163/page/45v
https//i.postimg.cc/TPk53x09/ch5v116-ch6v6.jpg
Salam,
With due respect. You're wrong Sir. Science doesn't work based on your understanding of it. Scientists didn't calculate the age of the universe to be 13.8 billion years based on the circumference of the Observable Universe which is 93 billion light years. Type in Google 'what is diameter of the observable universe'. According to your assumption, the radius of the Observable Universe shouldn't be more than 13.8 billion light-years but this is not so.
Scientists haven't spent whole their lives clowning on these things and reply to people like us who don't understand it better than them. It is indeed 13.8 billion years old, based of Cosmic Background Radiation, The amount of Hydrogen, Helium in the visible celestial bodies like stars, clutters, supernovae, pulsars, quasar etc. Thirdly, the doppler red-shift of stars. The oldest stars are used just to verify this doppler red-shift with already known shifts.
Remember, how some people made videos about 'James Webb Telescope' telling about even older stars to say that we can now reject theory of Big Bang. They probably did this just to increase their view counts. Even if we discover older stars, wouldn't disprove the age of the Unvierse or the theory of Big Bang. You know why? We already know there are stars beyond the 'Observable Universe'. This doesn't do an inch worth of good to disprove Big Bang. Scientists already laugh at such videos. You have to do an unbiased research and see NASA's take on it. See this link https//bigthink.com/hard-science/big-bang-jwst-james-webb/ Also see this discussion https//www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-for-the-James-Webb-Telescope-to-change-the-age-of-the-universe-drastically-or-not
To understand all this, you need a Science Degree in Cosmology or an interest in reading about the Subject.
And yes, the Universe is far bigger than what we see i.e. the Observable Universe. But that doesn't change the age of the Universe. To understand this you need to know that space also expanded along with the stars, resulting in far more distances than the speed it takes light to reach us for this universe to be this huge. Furthermore, we or any place in the Observable Universe are at the center because we don't know in which direction the Unobservable Universe (that we cannot see) is bigger. It is like asking a fish in the pond within a river whether we are at the center of the river or the edges of that pond are at the center of the river. We just don't know how bigger is the Unobservable Universe. Again, if this all interests you, go read a book on the subject. I have!
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Thanks for your answers..
Yes any project done with good intentions to seek the truth using a scientific method and our GOD given faculties to analyse and compare findings is worth pursuing..
A clean start must be done with an open mind. If any project is approached by closed minds ,division and failure will be the outcome.Best of luck to those who seek to do jobs for the sake of GOD and to pass on the message of peace and success for the benefit to all their fellow humans.
GOD bless you.
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No Sir, it is not ridiculous statement. Let's say I say to you, 'You're a President of your country and your city'. Would that be wrong? These type of phrases are used for emphasis or specifying something. For example, 'I like all Burgers, including Big Mac'.
No problem for off-topic. Regardless of what Samawaat mean, Universe or the celestial bodies in Universe, doesn't negate the facts as laid down in my video. All I am saying in my video is that we have been wrong about certain things like Saba Samawaat, Ad-Dunia, Mislahunna, Yawm as translators are not God, but feeble human beings like us and we should treat them like humans, not God. To err is to be human.
Salam
Remember God's statement is never ridiculous... Just read carefully what I wrote.
Your example of phrases are meaningless with the verses of God... Your phrases are fine.. I know but not comparable with verse of God...
So funny.. You don't get it or you are stuck somewhere...
You have given phrases of Possession and preference...
I love my all teachers and English teacher... Possession. President calling your country and someone's city is possession. You liking all burgers and a specific burger is preference. These examples has nothing to do with " He is the God of samawathi and Ard... No possession no preference..
He is the who called Sama and Ard and they both came willingly... Just reflect...
Even if anyone says I love my parents and my mother. No harm it has meaning. Preference is obvious to mother over father... In God's statement no possession no preference...
Don't rush to answer. Just ponder.If God's statement is like this " He is the God of Samawathi and its Earth(Ard) then We can think differently... Yes earth is inside samawathi... But no God didn't say so.
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Salam
Remember God's statement is never ridiculous... Just read carefully what I wrote.
Your example of phrases are meaningless with the verses of God... Your phrases are fine.. I know but not comparable with verse of God...
So funny.. You don't get it or you are stuck somewhere...
You have given phrases of Possession and preference...
I love my all teachers and English teacher... Possession. President calling your country and someone's city is possession. You liking all burgers and a specific burger is preference. These examples has nothing to do with " He is the God of samawathi and Ard... No possession no preference..
He is the who called Sama and Ard and they both came willingly... Just reflect...
Even if anyone says I love my parents and my mother. No harm it has meaning. Preference is obvious to mother over father... In God's statement no possession no preference...
Don't rush to answer. Just ponder.If God's statement is like this " He is the God of Samawathi and its Earth(Ard) then We can think differently... Yes earth is inside samawathi... But no God didn't say so.
OK I admit that I am wrong about translating this verse. Can you give me a correction translation? Remember, I am not arabic expert. I am a Science expert though. And this topic is about the video I posted and facts in it. I appreciate if you can speak on that subject. I would also appreciate your correct translation for the verse in question though.
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Thanks for your answers..
Yes any project done with good intentions to seek the truth using a scientific method and our GOD given faculties to analyse and compare findings is worth pursuing..
A clean start must be done with an open mind. If any project is approached by closed minds ,division and failure will be the outcome.Best of luck to those who seek to do jobs for the sake of GOD and to pass on the message of peace and success for the benefit to all their fellow humans.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Let's then have a conversation going. You are very motivating person. I like this in you a lot. Maybe all I need is motivation from you. Let's have a skype call. Add me on Skype, my id is salman.newsoftwares You can give me some advises too. We'll go open minded on the topic. We'll give people respect along the way in our journey. I really need motivation and some information on how we can find supportive people. BTW, do you have contact of the team behind free-minds.org?
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OK I admit that I am wrong about translating this verse. Can you give me a correction translation? Remember, I am not arabic expert. I am a Science expert though. And this topic is about the video I posted and facts in it. I appreciate if you can speak on that subject. I would also appreciate your correct translation for the verse in question though.
Okay brother...
In verse No 0603 I don't see anything wrong in translation of many a translation... It is not the translation that is important but understanding and guidance and truth behind the verse...
Do Arabs or those who are well versed in Arabic need translation of Quran? Does that mean they got the meaning of Samawathi? Wrong assumption. .
God has created and it will remain as truth and whatwver God didnt create won't become truth even how much people try...
On that Day The earth will be in His Fist and the entire samawathi will be rolled in His hand...
So it is not translation like Heavens / Skies would matter but truth what He created..
He claimed God of Alamin or God of east and west and God of etc etc... Coz He has created and He claims the ownership and Calls Himself so.. If He didn't create He is not God of anything.. He is God for us coz He created ..He is not God of something hypothetical assumptions..
So translation is fine and original Arabic texts also fine.. But go hunt guidance and understanding and verify within self what exactly God has created so that you will get what samawathi is... -
Peace Salman.
Thank you.
Let me give you some details of my journey since 2010 to clarify for you where I am and the tasks I am doing now .
I am still in my study period of Qoran. I am at the moment in a project with few others comparing and analysing our understanding which started few years after my own study of Qoran.
I basically started on my own before that and wrestled with GOD and His words for more than six years . I felt Qoran was challenging me to bring all the knowledge I have plus any other knowledge available out there to check it out.
Then I realised through this period that GOD and Qoran go together. I cannot understand one without the other.I had to start again ,this time looking at the Arabic origin and roots and try to get closer to the meaning of these.
Now I am working on a project with some friends that live in Europe, North Africa, and America. We are meeting every now and then in various places and comparing our understanding from the start to the end of Qoran. Still on study mode . All of us are only carrying on our study together . This project may take some time. We have no idea how long since we need to go over our work until we finish or when GOD wills.
I am not ready to translate for others what I still lack knowledge about.
I feel I cannot do justice to any other task and must stay with this one along with my other life duties for now. I hope to move on to other projects if this one finishes .
So I apologise if I refuse other tasks for now .
Also for me, Qoran is an open book to all the generations. It has many understandings that are not contradictory along with some consistent and clear verses.
Every individual needs to take the task of studying by themselves first ,then GOD guides the process with His message along the time and place of each generation.
Qoran talks in general to all of us individually ,in communities and worldwide. GOD teaches and explains to seekers anywhere . Although it is an Arabic book, any sincere seeker will get GOD guidance if they seek it and connect to the creator.How long the process takes is up to GOD Alone according to HIS knowledge alone.
However I support and encourage every good work going on in our world to help humanity with a healthy and peaceful existence and to keep our connections with each other healthy and amicable and strengthen our connection with our Creator.
May the Lord bless you and help you.
Peace.
i.e I need to keep trust in GOD and trust GOD. I need to learn more at the moment, GOD willing.. -
Peace Salman.
Thank you.
Let me give you some details of my journey since 2010 to clarify for you where I am and the tasks I am doing now .
I am still in my study period of Qoran. I am at the moment in a project with few others comparing and analysing our understanding which started few years after my own study of Qoran.
I basically started on my own before that and wrestled with GOD and His words for more than six years . I felt Qoran was challenging me to bring all the knowledge I have plus any other knowledge available out there to check it out.
Then I realised through this period that GOD and Qoran go together. I cannot understand one without the other.I had to start again ,this time looking at the Arabic origin and roots and try to get closer to the meaning of these.
Now I am working on a project with some friends that live in Europe, North Africa, and America. We are meeting every now and then in various places and comparing our understanding from the start to the end of Qoran. Still on study mode . All of us are only carrying on our study together . This project may take some time. We have no idea how long since we need to go over our work until we finish or when GOD wills.
I am not ready to translate for others what I still lack knowledge about.
I feel I cannot do justice to any other task and must stay with this one along with my other life duties for now. I hope to move on to other projects if this one finishes .
So I apologise if I refuse other tasks for now .
Also for me, Qoran is an open book to all the generations. It has many understandings that are not contradictory along with some consistent and clear verses.
Every individual needs to take the task of studying by themselves first ,then GOD guides the process with His message along the time and place of each generation.
Qoran talks in general to all of us individually ,in communities and worldwide. GOD teaches and explains to seekers anywhere . Although it is an Arabic book, any sincere seeker will get GOD guidance if they seek it and connect to the creator.How long the process takes is up to GOD Alone according to HIS knowledge alone.
However I support and encourage every good work going on in our world to help humanity with a healthy and peaceful existence and to keep our connections with each other healthy and amicable and strengthen our connection with our Creator.
May the Lord bless you and help you.
Peace.
i.e I need to keep trust in GOD and trust GOD. I need to learn more at the moment, GOD willing..OK, you're welcome to help if you want in future.
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With due respect. You're wrong Sir. Science doesn't work based on your understanding of it.
peace!
which part is wrong, quote me? provide timeline what was created when?
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خلق creation السموت the skies والارض and the land فى in سته six اىام days (eras)72559 324 5038 خلقنا creation السموت the skies والارض and the land
وما and what بىنهما between them dual فى in سته six اىام days419 خلق creation الارض the land فى in ىومىن days two
4110 اقوتها sustenance its فى in اربعه group of four اىام days
4112 فقضهن so accomplish them سبع seven سموت skies فى in ىومىن days twoQuestion was the universe in existence 1, 2, 3, …, 13 billion years ago?
Dr. Lincoln Fermilab (miss visiting recommend bison nearby restaurant)https//miro.medium.com/max/640/1*XQgr4SBto0-xRu1D9ZaVQA.jpeg
What really happened at the Big Bang?
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdvSJyHvUUQuestion what does its "age" have to do with how long it took to create?
e.g., builder made the houses and the garage فى fi/in 6 days 14 years ago
i.e., فى fi/in/within <= less than/equal (the work began sometime in 200moreover, builder made the garage within 2 days
also, builder supplied the garage within 4 days
so he completed them seven houses within 2 daysQuestion how many days did the builder take to build houses and garage?