Natural and Artificial/manmade
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I tend to agree with Jkhan that you can not pick and choose what is to be applied under verse 37.
I had earlier provide the translation of this verse from GA Pervez in another thread which makes lot of sense to me
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Allah has sent down this Book to you, O Rasool! which includes verses of two kinds. The first kind consists of those verses which have definite meaning and constitute the foundation of Allah’s Laws. The second kind are figurative and explain abstract realities metaphorically. Those who tend to deviate from Allah’s Path, take the figurative verses in their literal sense thereby causing discord by interpreting these verses in their own way. Allah only knows the essence of the realities which these verses represent. Those who make a right approach to knowledge believe in the realities but can also form an idea of what they are and can perceive their significance. These are the people who are gifted with insight (74/31)The verses which are mentioned in this thread relating to Food may not have another meaning except the provision of Food itself. Question is should we take these verses on the face of literal translation as to how the food was provisioned? Its like I am producing a lot of food on the table but there is a whole process behind it which is cultivation of crops and etc etc. My only point was that there must be a logical/natural process by which the food was delivered which we may not be aware of as of yet. The concept of manna va salwa is mentioned in some hadith books which surprisingly favors a natural phenomenon.
https//www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/87966/manna-and-salwa
I want to thank both Hawk and Jkhan for their input as am in the phase of learning and I am giving my opinion and I agree with Jkhan, we are not debating but providing our opinions only.
I would like to touch upon similar concept which is angels. Many belief that angels are creatures created by God and at the time of Prophet and before most of the religious folks believe that have wings. (Look at the statue in Roman relics). Even in Bukhari it was reported that Prophet saw Gabrael wings covering the whole horizon. Fast forward and we know what science tells us about space(no air) and if these angels were to descend they would not need wings for that matter.
I believe the concept of angels and as such are the ones that come under 37 which is we believe as is. As we cant really comprehend what are angels or jinns or even Satan etc. This we believe without seeing.Thanks
Peace..
When you mention about wings of Malaika it promoted me write this..People take these two or three or four wings mentioned in Quran to various figurative meaning or they apply many of their opinions.. But God has used Wings ... Any way that is not the point i in fact wanted to say.. Angels malaika do descend from heaven and the climb again.. But they do shape shift... Whoever visited Ibrahim and went on to meet Lut were malaika but they came in the form of human being and I'm male shape.. So.. They were not naked.. They were modest looking human being.. So we can expect them be well dressed people... Upper garments, lower garments shoes etc.. Typical human dresses of that era... But not magic.. Real.. So from where they got their cloths.. Is it from earth or from where they came... So human dress attired by Angels... So not only natural but artificial also God created...
Again I want to say about wings.. I take them as literal coz they are not human and they do really require them for their duty purposes... They fly or float whatever.. They are created or specifically provided to thoae who are assigned on for everyone I don't know.. A bird can fly ita wings well spread and evwn without opening it.. I mean well closed and even they can float.. So.. Angels similarly may use when required and may not use when not required.. As you say their is no air in the space..
So shape shifting angels may need what they are equipped with.. We can't deduce it with science.. We don't know exactly how they look in their real figure.. -
Peace Fusion..
So it is not your statements... Fine...
Brothers and Sisters how inconsistent hadith is when you study Qyran deeply... Let me bring an evidence since my friend fusion brought a lady alleged to be the daughter of Prophet Muhammad...
Yes Hadith so say that Fatima is the youngest daughter of Mohamed and other two elder daughteres passed away in their childhood. Botg eldest daughter died even before Fatima was born... LolAnd prophet never had children other than from his first wife Kadija exception a son named Ibrahim to one of the other wives. So that's Hadith...
But Qurab says in chapter 33 .O prophet tell your wives and DAUGHTERS.... to lower their garments.... Do you get what it means. Plural daughters (not dual but 3 or more) ... And this chapter is one of the very latest chapters revealed according to tone of Quran ...
They always wanted lift the status of this Fatima like that if Maryam and the wife of King Pharoa but Allah never even mentioned about her...
Anyway.. Let the hadith be hadith and let us only concentrate Quran... That's worthy spending time.The mention of hadith was to point out the fact that your not alone in your understanding of the literal meaning of the verse 337 and historically people have had the same understanding as that of Food for Rizk in that context.
Coming back to the question of understanding verse 3359, it is general stated that Historical sources list 4 daughters for the Prophet. It is not clear whether all of them were his biological daughters, or only one (namely, Fatimah).
If he only had one biological daughter, the other 3 girls who are mentioned in some sources as his daughters would have been girls as adopted daughters.
Also, the Qur'an occasionally uses a plural form to indicate generality, not multiplicity. For instance, the verse of mubahilah instructs the Prophet to take "our selves" and "our women" (in the plural) to the meeting for mubahilah. -
The mention of hadith was to point out the fact that your not alone in your understanding of the literal meaning of the verse 337 and historically people have had the same understanding as that of Food for Rizk in that context.
Coming back to the question of understanding verse 3359, it is general stated that Historical sources list 4 daughters for the Prophet. It is not clear whether all of them were his biological daughters, or only one (namely, Fatimah).
If he only had one biological daughter, the other 3 girls who are mentioned in some sources as his daughters would have been girls as adopted daughters.
Also, the Qur'an occasionally uses a plural form to indicate generality, not multiplicity. For instance, the verse of mubahilah instructs the Prophet to take "our selves" and "our women" (in the plural) to the meeting for mubahilah.Yes bro.. The inconsistency is very clear within hadith itself.. Shia hadith differs to Sunni Hadith.. They say only Fatima was Mohamed's biological daughter.. And rest were Kadija's previous marriage.. But they died even before Fatima was born.. That's what Hadith states.. Except zainab she died at age of 30.. So God used not dual..
Go is very specific.. God cannot use your daughters if he doesn't have daughter.. Can God do? No.. Similarly can God say your wives of he had only one wife? God really meant it... Whatever.. I don't like to compare quran with hadith forum any given reason.. but the point is Mariam received provision/Rizq from Allah.. Yes Rizq appears in QURAN many a times.. But context of the verse it is clear it is food not wisdom.. Wisdom God used Hukm in Quran... -
