How would you respond to Sunnis about this matter
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So as we know, the hadith seem to predict certain events of the future, and the symbolism of the one eye which seems to reflect Dajal etc. There are hadith about there being very tall buildings in the end times and if I remember correctly, homosexuality being prevalent, etc.
I mean, these obviously do seem to describe the 21st century....we don't believe in hadith because we believe that God never gave us the command to follow them plus it never literally states to follow hadith books.
But how can these hadith predictions seem so accurate?
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So Hadiths are accurate in predicting the future?
Nostradamus is probably more accurate in his predictions than Hadiths some will say.
Science has also been accurate in its predictions of the future.
In most cases of all these predictions there are always probability scales and most are general . A lot of predictions in all three are also fails, it just happens that if something comes true , we highlight it.Some things have been happening in history and the trends are similar. So predictions have been accurate even though it was a guess and a shot in the dark.
In general most educated guesses may succeed, but they are not a certainty at the time.The bottom line remains that man s predictions are built on man s knowledge. They can never be trusted fully before they happen. There are always doubts about them. They do not serve the purpose of reassurance in the generations they serve. They are the future and each generation live in the present mostly.
Te the generation that catches up with an accurate prediction it cannot do anything about it most of the time. And it will just be a case of " I told you so" and nothing else. i.e too late.
Having said that, Hadiths are still men s words and not GOD s words. Even if they are right they are a separate thing and cannot replace or partner GOD s words for salvation.
Two different authors and authority. Replacing or taking them as equal to GODs words is taking on a different god/authority for our salvation.
So just like any other men s book, they are a mixture of hit and miss and we should just take the best from all men s books for our daily life and nothing for our spiritual life.There is only one religious book for every generation GOD s scripture. Men s books cannot be used for GOD s religion.
GOD bless.
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peace,
There is a saying "throw enough mud at the wall, some of it will stick".
https//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/throw_enough_mud_at_the_wall,_some_of_it_will_stick
They simply cherry pick and highlight the things that seem to have come true, and hide/ignore the things that seem untrue.
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It's important to note that while some hadith may appear to predict future events, they should not be taken as literal or precise prophecies. Hadith should be understood in their proper context, as a collection of sayings, actions, and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his companions. They were transmitted orally and written down much later, and as with any historical document, they may contain errors or inaccuracies.
Furthermore, some hadith may have been subject to interpretation and contextualization by scholars and commentators over time, which may have influenced how they are understood and applied.
Regarding the specific examples you mentioned, it's worth noting that tall buildings and homosexuality have been present throughout history, and are not unique to the modern era. While some hadith may appear to describe contemporary society, it's important to exercise caution in interpreting them and not jump to conclusions without considering their historical and social context.
Ultimately, Muslims believe that the Quran is the primary source of guidance and should be the basis for religious practices and beliefs, and that hadith should be studied and understood in light of Quranic teachings and principles if you really want to go that path.Quran should be the basis of your understanding as that is the true hadith.
Thanks
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Peace
So as we know, the hadith seem to predict certain events of the future, and the symbolism of the one eye which seems to reflect Dajal etc. There are hadith about there being very tall buildings in the end times and if I remember correctly, homosexuality being prevalent, etc.
I mean, these obviously do seem to describe the 21st century....we don't believe in hadith because we believe that God never gave us the command to follow them plus it never literally states to follow hadith books.
But how can these hadith predictions seem so accurate?
peace,
similar to numerology show few, hide vast majority of failures (see min 400 below)Best And most beautiful Recitation Surah Yousuf Ayat (101) Qari Saeed Noor
https//youtu.be/9EQeOzKqiIE
12111 لقد hath assuredly كان be (is) فى in قصصهم story theirs عبره lesson لاولى for owners الالبب the comprehension ما not كان be حدىثا narration of ىفترى fabricated ولكن and however تصدىق confirmation الذى the one بىن between (was) ىدىه before it وتفصىل and clarification كل every شى thing وهدى and guidance ورحمه and mercy لقوم for folk ىومنون they believing
12111 Laqad Kāna Fī Qaşaşihim `Ibratun Li'wlī Al-'Albābi Mā Kāna Ĥadīthāan Yuftará Wa Lakin Taşdīqa Al-Ladhī Bayna Yadayhi Wa Tafşīla Kulli Shay'in Wa Hudáan Wa Raĥmatan Liqawmin Yu'uminūna
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Peace
So as we know, the hadith seem to predict certain events of the future, and the symbolism of the one eye which seems to reflect Dajal etc. There are hadith about there being very tall buildings in the end times and if I remember correctly, homosexuality being prevalent, etc.
I mean, these obviously do seem to describe the 21st century....we don't believe in hadith because we believe that God never gave us the command to follow them plus it never literally states to follow hadith books.
But how can these hadith predictions seem so accurate?
Just read all the HOUR verses in Quran and reflect who has knowledge of the hour and it's signs... Just don't get blinded by their fabricated fancy sayings...
The expert knows which knew is gem and which one is just a stone though both look identical... Satan is good at duping people in various ways.. May Allah save believers from all inventions that are attractive to listen...Hadith When would the Last Hour come? Thereupon Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) kept quiet for a while. Then looked at a young boy in his presence belonging to the tribe of Azd Shanu'a and he said If this boy lives he would not grow very old till the Last Hour would come to you. Anas said that this young boy was of our age during those days.
Hadith. We were sitting with the Prophet (ﷺ) when a man came to him whose clothes were intensely white and whose hair was intensely black; no signs of travel could be seen upon him, and none of us recognized him. He sat down facing the Prophet (ﷺ), with his knees touching his, and he put his hands on his thighs, and said 'O Muhammad, what is Islam?' He said 'To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that I am the Messenger of Allah, to establish regular prayer, to pay Zakat, to fast in Ramadan, and to perform Hajj to the House (the Ka'bah).' He said 'You have spoken the truth.' We were amazed by him He asked a question, then told him that he had spoken the truth. Then he said 'O Muhammad, what is Iman faith? He said 'To believe in Allah, His angels, His Messengers, His books, the Last day, and the Divine Decree (Qadar), both the good of it and the bad of it.' He said' You have spoken the truth.' We were amazed by him. He asked a question, then told him that he had spoken the truth. Then he said 'O Muhammad, what is Ihsan (right action, goodness, sincerity)? He said 'To worship Allah as if you see Him, for even though you do not see Him, He sees you.' He asked "When will the Hour be?' He said 'The one who is being asked about it does not know more than the one who is asking.' He asked 'Then what are its signs?' he said 'When the slave woman gives birth to her mistress' (Waki' said This means when non-Arabs will give birth to Arabs" 'and when you see barefoot, naked, destitute shepherds competing in constructing tall buildings.' The Prophet (ﷺ) met me three days later and asked me 'Do you know who that man was? I said" 'Allah and his Messenger know best.' He said 'That was Jibril, who came to you to teach you your religion.'"
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Think about it, If those events (the second coming of Jesus PBUH and Dajal etc) were so important, God would have mentioned them in the Quran. How could God ignore such important events? All these events are fabricated which are described in hadiths.
Good point!
@ Sarah the Quran is the only hadith.
فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ
.These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (456)
Have a blessed Ramadan
peace
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Good point!
@ Sarah the Quran is the only hadith.
فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ
.These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (456)
Have a blessed Ramadan
peace
That she is aware... If you notice her signature comments you can see the sane verse... But People do get confused certain times coz SATAN is ever in hunt to dupe... Only dusbeliiving people bend to Satan... Believers will soon realize when SATAN trying to deceive....
Anyways... God bless all true believers and save them from the grip of satanic tricks...
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symbolism of the one eye which seems to reflect Dajal etc
That’s eye of horus. Basically, the thing came from pagan religion of Egypt. That’s much older than Islam. He still has followers though. The dajjal character is made up. Sects use it to demonize diff groups.
There are hadith about there being very tall buildings in the end times
Nabateans already had tall buildings.
and if I remember correctly, homosexuality being prevalent, etc.
Its actually not as prevalent as it was before. Only the talk is.
But how can these hadith predictions seem so accurate?
Rather forced on current events esp at the time of war. Some groups mimic the hadiths to make them look real. ISIS is notorious for doing that. Agenda might be recruitment.
I’m not against the idea that humans can predict future but as I understand now, if everything already exists in God’s records then predictions are not set in stone. We can urge him to replace them with what we consider desirable or we can personally take action against them.
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First there's no need to respond to Sunnis about hadith because everybody are free to believe / assume anything that they wish. That's the core value of "Free Mind" anyway.
If you think "you need to prove the Sunnis / or anyone are wrong about hadith or quran or bible or whatever" you are actually still following the Sunnis or Sectarian mindset. Thus not much different than the Sunnis.So let's agree on those first.
And next I comment on each of your statement.
- Symbolism of the one eye
It pre-exist the Quran, Hadith or even Bible. The symbol can commonly be found within Ancient Egyptian culture, there's eye of horus and also eye of ra.
Within yogic philosophy; which also predate the quran, hadith or bible, there's a depiction about the third eye, which sits just between the eyebrow. It symbolize the 6th chakra, the Ajna Chakra, also correlated with the "Seat of the Soul", this chakra / energy center govern intuition, creation and imagination.
It's the reason why many Indians have a dot marking on their forehead between their eyebrow.
Such tradition also predate the Quran, Hadith or Bible.
https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Kullu_Himachal_Pradesh_India_Woman.jpg/340px-Kullu_Himachal_Pradesh_India_Woman.jpgIt's not a 'sign of evil / devil' as mostly portrayed by some people, especially Christians and Sunnis.
- Homosexuality being prevalent
Homosexuality never prevalent within the human population and not even today.
The rate was and is always consistent at below 5%.
The reason is simple, because homosexuality is not a constructive characteristic for breeding.
Thus any statement that homosexuality is prevalent today is definitely a falsehood.Yes today's society are generally more mature and more acceptable towards human sexual preference other than hetero-sexual. In the past this considered to be a "big sin" and those who has preference other than hetero must be punished with death penalty.
- Symbolism of the one eye
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Peace
So as we know, the hadith seem to predict certain events of the future, and the symbolism of the one eye which seems to reflect Dajal etc. There are hadith about there being very tall buildings in the end times and if I remember correctly, homosexuality being prevalent, etc.
I mean, these obviously do seem to describe the 21st century....we don't believe in hadith because we believe that God never gave us the command to follow them plus it never literally states to follow hadith books.
But how can these hadith predictions seem so accurate?
cathedrals are tall
the shocking hadith for me is the magnetic field flipping
it's happening as we speak, the magnetic poles have significantly moved since the 1800's and it is weaking at an accelerating pace
