Is polygamy Quranic
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Many traditional Muslims say all men are naturally polygamous and they can have a second wife even without the first wife knowing because he doesn't need her permission to get married again.
Is there Quranic proof that this is wrong? Also, I know some Quranists don't even believe Muhammad had multiple wives. What is the evidence for this? -
Good evening,
Quran permits polygamy but with sets specific conditions that must be met for it to be allowed. In Surah An-Nisa, Verse 3, the Quran explains
<But the problem of orphans (or those left alone in the society) is not solved simply by taking care of their property – it has other implications as well. For instance, if a situation arises, out of a war or otherwise – where a large number of men die, leaving behind widows and orphans, or you have a large number of marriageable women who cannot find husbands (4/127) and they cannot marry outside your circle; so if you cannot find an equitable solution to this problem then permission is hereby given to you to relax the Law of monogamy and those amongst you who can afford it and can treat all justly can marry two or three or four women of their liking. But if you fear that you cannot do justice, then only one or the female captives who are already in your charge. This will relieve you from the burden of a large family.> Refhttps//www.parwez.tv/Abid_Audio_Refrences/Mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/s4.htmSo the essence here is that you must do justice in all maters, and God knows that it is quite not possible , hence verse 4129 explains.
<Permission to marry more than one wife was given subject to the condition that you hold the balance evenly amongst the wives (4/3). Allah knows that it will not be possible for you to hold this balance absolutely evenly, however keen you may be to do so. Justice will be secured if you do not incline towards one wife in such a way that another is left, as it were, suspended. If you observe fairness and be mindful of Allah’s Laws you will secure protection and nurture from Him. >The above verse may hint that a man must consult with his existing wife or wives and come to a friendly understanding before marrying another woman.
As for the Quranist perspective on Muhammad's marriages, Quranists reject the idea that hadiths or other sources outside of the Quran are valid sources of Islamic law and practice. Some Quranists argue that the Quran does not explicitly mention Muhammad's multiple marriages, and therefore, they believe that he did not engage in them. However, other scholars argue that the Quranic verses referring to "your wives" and "the wives of the Prophet" (Surah Al-Ahzab, Verse 2 imply that Muhammad did indeed have multiple wives. Ultimately, this is a matter of interpretation and debate among Muslims.
It's important to acknowledge that in today's fast-paced society, with the prevalence of social media and endless daily responsibilities, it can be quite challenging for a man to maintain healthy, committed relationships with multiple women in the context of marriage. As a result, some men may resort to keeping a mistress, also known as a "kept woman", as a way to satisfy their desires or escape the difficulties of their current marriage. However, it's crucial to recognize that this behavior is not in alignment with Islamic values and principles. Islam places great emphasis on the sanctity of marriage and the importance of treating all partners with justice and kindness. Instead of resorting to illicit affairs, it's crucial for individuals to work towards building healthy, fulfilling relationships based on honesty, trust, and mutual respect.
To the person who started this thread, I can understand how certain questions and statements can be interpreted in a negative light and undermine the respect and value of women. It's important to recognize and acknowledge the inherent worth and dignity of every human being, regardless of gender. Women, like men, are individuals with their own unique experiences, perspectives, and contributions to society. It's essential to treat women with respect, equality, and fairness, and to recognize their rights to self-determination and agency.
Women are the embodiment of beauty and grace, and their mere presence in the world adds richness and depth to life. Without women, the world would be dull and monotonous, lacking the warmth and liveliness that only they can bring. Therefore, women are a source of inspiration, hope, and love, and their contributions to society should be recognized and celebrated, not just being looked at from having them as wives only. -
Many traditional Muslims say all men are naturally polygamous and they can have a second wife even without the first wife knowing because he doesn't need her permission to get married again.
Is there Quranic proof that this is wrong? Also, I know some Quranists don't even believe Muhammad had multiple wives. What is the evidence for this?Peace Sister...
Let me stick to your Question... Quran is clear many people in the past had more than one wife legally.. Be she free woman or not they all women... Needless to bring the verses..everyone knows..
Regarding your wording of WITHOUT KNOWING TO WIFE and WITHOUT PERMISSION...
for marriage there need no permission from anyone... Only the acceptance of the woman you gonna marry and let her make her family understand and kind of acceptance.. So things go smoothly.. (believer or disbelivers subject I don't touch here)So ... Existing wife's permission is far from reality... Quran never says a single word... One man would go far region and found a woman and got married and came back home but live separately... No need permission ...
second point without leting know the existing wife ... Yes.. It is up to the person... If you are so loyal you can inform... Even you don't inform no issue as long as marriage took place legally.. Otherwise it will end up illegal relationship... Ensure you are legally married otherwise first wife may complain he has extra marital.. Lol
All above I explained in the past era context.. Not now...
Now there is law in every country you live.. Just abide by that first... God's law is not applicable if there is a law in the country you live...that doesn't mean we go agaisnt god.. Excellent example is Yousuf and his brother theft... Or Ibrahim breaking idols.. We shouldn't go against law of a nation even it is night or wrong.. But law is placed so abide by it.. Unless law says don't worship one God... I don't see such law anywhere.. Even they say.. You can hide and do so.. But you don't violate and harm anyone by worshipping God alone.. I don't mean to say Ibrahim did a wrong thing.. But in the sight of law it is wrong.. So don't expect God to save you by doing such aggression to other people like God saved Ibrahim ...So most of the law says one wife at a time legally... To marry another divorce certificate is mandatory.. Having any other wife while having one already is betrayal to existing wife and against human law.. So abide by it... By doing so you don't even violate God's basic law.. Be satisfied with one.. Also every country allows divorce.. So.. Not against God's law... to practice God's law there is no hamper in the world.
There must have been various reason why God allowed polygamy and it did benefit it seems.. No need to dig on that... Leave the polygamy away even finding a single honest partner is kind of hefty task nowadays.. Lol.. At least in my case.. ... Anyway I won't marry...
God says... "If you don't find means for marriage..." So it definitely indicates marriage needs means... That's for sure.. So... Who can have polygamy if they don't have means for one first...
I would like to end with this note.. God says don't marry two sisters at the same time but if you have already God forgives and you may keep... So literal polygamy allowed.
So in a nutshell.. If polygamy is allowed in your country and if you are able then marrying more than one is no harm at all. . Not agaisnt Quran ... But if you are restricted in your country don't keep illegal relationship ..thats really hefty violation agaisnt God's law applicable all time any country... Your country's law may not punish but God will for sure...Note just leave the so called Quranist aside and what they say but accept what QURAN says... Why bother about so called Quranist say, just bother about what QURAN says NOT what Quranist say... Ensure that pls if you like guidance from Quran.. Thank you... Hope your country one for one..
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Peace sister.
Qoranic proof is subjective to how it is interpreted by the reader or follower of interpretations of others.There will be those who say to you Qoran allows up to four wives and there will be others who say marry only one.What is your view? Or double check each interpretation of others before you go with any if you are not sure.You need to be satisfied .i.e to find your own proof.
For me Qoran is saying first of all that there is freedom of choice to follow it or not, then the advice is to follow the best path that is indicated to us in it.
Weighing the statement in Qoran ,that is saying to us in clear Arabic that does not need interpretations by others for us or all interpretations agree with each others for "We can never be just with marrying more than one woman no matter how hard we try."
So the best way is to marry only one.. This will give a better harmony for the one set family - one mother, father and the set of children from both=Of course GOD allowed past marriages to exist and allows exception under certain conditions and knows that different traditions and way of life exist . So GOD made it easy to do things legally and with transparency because adultery is forbidden.
For the individual , Qoran says that marriage is an oath, i.e each one can agree terms with their partner. You can have your term with the husband that you want a husband that can only marry you . You are entitled to agree for marriage or refuse if he disagrees with you since it is a commitment for life.
Nowadays this is easier to do in the majority of the world we live in.
You choose sister and the best choice according to Qoran is marry only one.
GOD bless you.
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peace,
Some criteria/guidance for marriage
https//misconceptions-about-islam.com/misconception.php?id=40Determining mutual attraction/compatibility
Ascertaining whether the potential partner is of similar beliefs/faith
Discussion of and agreeing to the level of dower and other terms (if any)
Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contract
If male, capable of providing for the family/household
To have physically matured / post-puberty
To have the marriage contract/oaths witnessed
If the marriage is unsuccessful, one should also be capable of undertaking divorce proceedings, e.g. separation period, arbitration, discussion of settlement etc .For example the wife could state, as one of her conditions, that her husband that one wife only / monogamy.
Further info, polygamy in certain context only
https//misconceptions-about-islam.com/misconception.php?id=31To summarise, The Quran was revealed to a society where polygamy was commonplace and men could have many wives (e.g. more than four for example). By setting an upper limit, citing a moral restriction on polygamy and limiting the situations in which it is allowed would result in reducing polygamy significantly.
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Polygamy isnt allowed. See
2432 And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.We also have
4129 And you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive. So do not incline completely and leave another hanging. And if you amend and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.Back in the sunni days, mullahs told me “be equal” basically stood for just feeding the wives. They vehemently opposed the idea of one lady feeling left out.
Many traditional Muslims say all men are naturally polygamous
Nope. Only some but that doesn’t automatically make polygamy halal for them.
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Polygamy isnt allowed. See
2432 And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.We also have
4129 And you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive. So do not incline completely and leave another hanging. And if you amend and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.Back in the sunni days, mullahs told me “be equal” basically stood for just feeding the wives. They vehemently opposed the idea of one lady feeling left out.
Nope. Only some but that doesn’t automatically make polygamy halal for them.
Peace Sister... Hope you are doing well...
I think it is little hefty to rush on this topic and say polygamy is not allowed...Yes... If one takes the verse 2432 in one angle we may end up yes polygamy is not allowed.. Apart from all other verses which is manifested that polygamy were practiced and never discouraged by Allah ..
When it comes to this particular verse, it doesn't literally mean never marry widow or divorced, If one marry only unmarried... Encouragment here is manifest... Why not prioritise those who not at all married in life rather than who have already married in life..
So when Allah says by this verse marry those who never married or single doesn't directly give us a criteria that people are not allowed to marry multiple women.. Is it?
On top of that if we take the verse in this manner, suppose one man is married already has a wife (free or not free) but marrying another woman who is single.. So.. Marry those who are single doesn't mean literally polygamy is not allowed... Well don't misunderstand me.. I am not polygamous and not even married and happy being single out of destiny... So I am not supporting but trying to stand with Quran and not even trying to belittle women and their feelings..Further, marry those who are single doesn't mean both party should be single.. Isn't it?
For me by verses like those guard their chastity except with wife/spouse and those ma malakat aymanakum clearly indicates that polygamy were practicedced and never discouraged by Allah and never made it forbidden . For men I mean..
Further to that, if God states not to marry teo biological sisters at a time, then the question is what about two women at a time who are not biological sisters? Of God said two women at time by this verse then seal for polygamy.. Unless if anyone argues that the word doesn't state biological sisters but just sisters in faith then perhaps polygamy is not allowed..
Anyway... This won't lead us to hell fire as long as we are married to one... But we better grasp what God's law is.. So we don't blame who are polygamous..But time elapsed and women are in abundance and men are in abundance.. So why not be happy with one in life as God's natural system...
Mainly slaves and those ma malakath aymanakum people benefited by polygamy for sure... Coz they were also human being with feelings...But be satisfied with one.. As rightly said by father in law of prophet Musa, would you marry ONE of my daughters... Just One... One for one is wonderful family... Polygamy is but great help for other women.. Nothing else.. Did Ibrahim have two wives at a time? Seems like had two wives but two at a time no clue..
Thank you..
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Polygamy isnt allowed. See
2432 And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.We also have
4129 And you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive. So do not incline completely and leave another hanging. And if you amend and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.Back in the sunni days, mullahs told me “be equal” basically stood for just feeding the wives. They vehemently opposed the idea of one lady feeling left out.
Nope. Only some but that doesn’t automatically make polygamy halal for them.
2432
Could be saying prioritize marrying off those who aren't married yet. Parents finding a suitable partner for them. Like how that man wanted to marry off one of his daughters to Moses. 2827. I think the verb for marriage is the same.4129
Could be saying a man can't love all wives equally and it's not his fault but he shouldn't completely neglect one. And since it's saying not to leave one hanging, doesn't that show polygamy is allowed?I have also heard traditional Muslims say that because 43 says "marry two, three or four but if you fear you won't be just then marry only one", it shows polygamy is recommended because it first says marry multiple women only one if fear won't be just.
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Peace Sister... Hope you are doing well...
I think it is little hefty to rush on this topic and say polygamy is not allowed...Trust me, I’m serious.
Yes... If one takes the verse 2432 in one angle we may end up yes polygamy is not allowed.. Apart from all other verses which is manifested that polygamy were practiced and never discouraged by Allah ..
What he instructs is what matters right? Then there is
3350 O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to marry her, only for you, excluding the believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.When it comes to this particular verse, it doesn't literally mean never marry widow or divorced, If one marry only unmarried... Encouragment here is manifest... Why not prioritise those who not at all married in life rather than who have already married in life..
Nah, they are considered single
And those who are taken in death among you and leave wives behind - they, wait four months and ten . And when they have fulfilled their term, then there is no blame upon you for what they do with themselves in an acceptable manner. And Allah is Acquainted with what you do. There is no blame upon you for that to which you allude concerning a proposal to women or for what you conceal within yourselves. Allah knows that you will have them in mind. But do not promise them secretly except for saying a proper saying. And do not determine to undertake a marriage contract until the decreed period reaches its end. And know that Allah knows what is within yourselves, so beware of Him. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing. 2234-235So when Allah says by this verse marry those who never married or single doesn't directly give us a criteria that people are not allowed to marry multiple women.. Is it?
On top of that if we take the verse in this manner, suppose one man is married already has a wife (free or not free) but marrying another woman who is single.. So.. Marry those who are single doesn't mean literally polygamy is not allowed...As we saw above, only Prophet was given the privilege. But the verse I am having trouble finding also mentions umm sons were married to their moms at the time. God told them to not divorce just because they became believer. In short, if someone married multiple women but later finds out that it isnt approved by God there is no need to divorce. We have one (inactive) brother here who practiced polygamy before coming to Quran alone. No one ever pointed finger at him for that. This community is very understanding.
Well don't misunderstand me.. I am not polygamous and not even married and happy being single out of destiny...
Don’t you dare calling it your destiny.
Further to that, if God states not to marry teo biological sisters at a time, then the question is what about two women at a time who are not biological sisters? Of God said two women at time by this verse then seal for polygamy.. Unless if anyone argues that the word doesn't state biological sisters but just sisters in faith then perhaps polygamy is not allowed..
Which verse?
Societies have this tendency to change here and there. That’s how polygamy gets in but God wouldn’t want families to break!4129
Could be saying a man can't love all wives equally and it's not his fault but he shouldn't completely neglect one. And since it's saying not to leave one hanging, doesn't that show polygamy is allowed?Its more like a warning. If one of these wives feels left behind she has the right to divorce as per the next verse.
I have also heard traditional Muslims say that because 43 says "marry two, three or four but if you fear you won't be just then marry only one", it shows polygamy is recommended because it first says marry multiple women only one if fear won't be just.
No, they intentionally misinterpreted the verse. Its been talked about before. The verse is about pairs of women. Also starting from 41 shows this is an administrative instruction. I mean its for the entire community and not for each man’s private life.
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2432
Could be saying prioritize marrying off those who aren't married yet. Parents finding a suitable partner for them. Like how that man wanted to marry off one of his daughters to Moses. 2827. I think the verb for marriage is the same.4129
Could be saying a man can't love all wives equally and it's not his fault but he shouldn't completely neglect one. And since it's saying not to leave one hanging, doesn't that show polygamy is allowed?I have also heard traditional Muslims say that because 43 says "marry two, three or four but if you fear you won't be just then marry only one", it shows polygamy is recommended because it first says marry multiple women only one if fear won't be just.
peace,
43 similar 4129 and 2432 leading alif to help via work sponsorship
womenfolk (fem pl.) cannot be twos (m) or threes (m) or fours (m)
forming groups of twos or threes or fours or communally to help43 وان and if خفتم fear you الا that not تقسطوا thou just ye of فى in الىتمى the orphans فانكحوا so help betroths via work sponsorship ye of ما what طاب moral لكم to you من among النسا the womenfolk (fem pl.) مثنى twosome (twos masculine) وثلث and triplet (threes masculine) وربع and quartette (fours masculine) فان so if خفتم fear you الا that not تعدلوا thou equitable ye of فوحده so unified او or ما what ملكت entrust اىمنكم right hands yours ذلك such ادنى minimal الا that not تعولوا thou oppress ye of
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Trust me, I’m serious. What he instructs is what matters right? Then there is
3350 O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to marry her, only for you, excluding the believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.Nah, they are considered single
And those who are taken in death among you and leave wives behind - they, wait four months and ten . And when they have fulfilled their term, then there is no blame upon you for what they do with themselves in an acceptable manner. And Allah is Acquainted with what you do. There is no blame upon you for that to which you allude concerning a proposal to women or for what you conceal within yourselves. Allah knows that you will have them in mind. But do not promise them secretly except for saying a proper saying. And do not determine to undertake a marriage contract until the decreed period reaches its end. And know that Allah knows what is within yourselves, so beware of Him. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing. 2234-235As we saw above, only Prophet was given the privilege. But the verse I am having trouble finding also mentions umm sons were married to their moms at the time. God told them to not divorce just because they became believer. In short, if someone married multiple women but later finds out that it isnt approved by God there is no need to divorce. We have one (inactive) brother here who practiced polygamy before coming to Quran alone. No one ever pointed finger at him for that. This community is very understanding. Don’t you dare calling it your destiny.
Which verse?
Societies have this tendency to change here and there. That’s how polygamy gets in but God wouldn’t want families to break! Its more like a warning. If one of these wives feels left behind she has the right to divorce as per the next verse. No, they intentionally misinterpreted the verse. Its been talked about before. The verse is about pairs of women. Also starting from 41 shows this is an administrative instruction. I mean its for the entire community and not for each man’s private life.Peace...
I think I need to further study further I comment.. As of now I feel polygamy is allowed based certain verses and comparison....
Sometimes.. Yeah I wonder who knows prophet MOHAMED already married few women even before QURAN was revealed to him.. So.. Needless to divorce... But he was asked to marry the divorced wife of his fostered son.. Here God used prophet as role model or as an excellent example to his community that such marriage is allowed... Rather than just say by words that you can marry your non biological sons wives if they are divorced... No one would try to do so.. But God clearly used prophet as an indication here so perhaps people won't have kind of hesitancy. But prophet married multiple women for sure.. Let's keep it as only for prophet... But Quran never in words forbidden tgat men cannot marry more than one woman at a time. Allah has just mentioned forbidden list but not said one only...
Even in one verse God says this is only for prophet and about others we have explained clearly.. So we have no right to ask why only prophet.. One example as I said is absolutely role model..
Anyway... I like to listen from others also who seriously think from Quran that polygamy is not allowed... Perhaps I can learn something for my research... Since many a words are twisted from arabic itself there could be possibly people take it as polygamy is obvious in Quran and allowed even after Quran's instruction... Definitely thorough research to conclude...
Anyway.. One for one is practices 99% world's people... So.. Not a big deal... But for our guidance and not to speak a word againat God better we explore what exactly God has said... -
No, they intentionally misinterpreted the verse. Its been talked about before. The verse is about pairs of women. Also starting from 41 shows this is an administrative instruction. I mean its for the entire community and not for each man’s private life.
I dont really know what you mean, pairs of women? Why does that matter?
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The phrase "pairs of women" mentioned in the reply likely refers to the context of the verse 43 in which it is believed to have been revealed. Some scholars of Islam argue that the verse was revealed in the aftermath of the Battle of Uhud, in which many Muslim men were killed, leaving behind widows and orphans. In this context, the verse is understood to be addressing the issue of caring for and protecting these vulnerable members of society by allowing Muslim men to marry women who were in need of support and protection, in pairs or groups of two, three or four.
The argument that the verse is not recommending polygamy, but rather providing a solution to a specific social problem is a valid interpretation held by some scholars. However, there are also other scholars who interpret the verse as allowing polygamy in general, as long as certain conditions are met, such as treating all wives equally and fairly. The debate over the meaning and scope of the verse continues among Muslim scholars and communities.
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I researched and came to conclusion that 46 is more manifest when we replace the word Alnikah (marriage) with its real meaning of the age / state of emancipation (liberate from shackles of one's custody to society as a free person)..
If that befit then we can definitely look into the verse of 43 whether it says to marry two or three or four? CoZ marriage is never with FEAR...
according to 46 judge well whether the person is matured enough to be liberated to live on their own.. Age is immaterial perhaps.. And perhaps he might not know exact age of such.. But maturity and understanding and the ability to live on their own is the point to consider.. So.. I do extremely believe that verse 46 is all about emancipation and give their due properties in their name.. And you are free and they are liberated.. In addition to that verse 46 never stated release the property and marry them off.. But it only says release the property and have
Witness for doing that.. Perfect..
But when it comes to 43 if you fear probably mean that you can't just set free all at once. Just do one at a time ..Further I checked the synonyms of nikah and perfectly matched for emancipation..
Any comments
Note but marriage is different and marrying more than one is pretty obviously no harm.
