What is life?
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Salam.
By looking at the topic itself, you might have got a hint what I am up to. Yes! From where and for what reason rituals instituted in people's life from very ancient times date back to Nuh while Allah created us for none other reason but to Ibada (serve) Him following His path alone. Don't Ibada (serve) Satan..
Subsequently, No ritual Shahada, No Ritual Sala/Prayer, No fasting every year in hunger, No Ritual Zakath mandatory only to their own Muslims, No Ritual Haj every year pelting stones and sticks.
So, then what is Deen/ Islam (System)? What we have to do in life of we don't do anything of the above? Where do we belong to or which group we belong to or are we all alone? Never. Let me explain..
God's System is so natural very much inate to human. Anyone on this earth who surrender to His Creator alone knowingly then he has got the grip of God's path.. After all fundamental point of God is "DON'T ASSOCIATE ANYTHING WITH HIM." This is where the journey begins.
1541 .... This path leads straight on to ME (reflect Sirath then Alayyi and Musthaqeem)
Have you ever wondered and questioned when God says in His book Follow My path and also says Don't follow the path of Satan. Similarly, God says Ibada (serve) Me, don't Ibada (serve) Satan. Ponder.
To follow God's path thus to serve Him human had Messengers throughout and God revealed messages and books and we have a Quran now... So logically when did Satan reveal his messages and books and his messnsgers for us to take his path and follow?
Literally no book of Satan. Is there? Then why God says don't serve (Ibada) Satan and don't follow Satan.. We don't even see Satan and there is no any satan written book literally and Satan doesn't claim any book that it is from him either.. then how?
Let me explain about God's Messengers and books later. But let me explain God's inspiration and Satan's whisper/inspiration.
This is why no human cannot escape from God's humiliation on the day of judgement regardless where and when he lived. Both God and Satan has connection with us. Communicating to us. God inspires to do good and follow His path which is inbuilt in human heart. Yes it does happen within every person in this Earth. God does communicate. But Satan does communicate as well, but natural instinct given and placed in the heart of human is good and not evil(absolutely good). That's why every human loves good for himself at least. Doesn't he? Yes we do love good for the self, undeniable. But doing good to self alone won't make us human. But Satan inspires to do that is evil against what was genuinely taught to human. Every time men wants to be good with his natural instinct Satan inspires choose his path by tempting with attractions. Human chooses against his nature. Then follows the path which is nowhere written or revealed and given to human.So one would ponder at this point, if everything is so naturally in built in human, and human is responsible for choosing Satan's inspiration then why we need Messengers and God's written communication? Yes.. None other reason except to convince human heart and to be a witness that God did indeed communicated to us naturally/spiritually and physically. Why God Himself says His book guides to those who are concious. Coz conciousness already inbuilt in human heart but human prefer Satan's inspiration leaving his own conciousness ..
So, if not rituals, then how to live? Follow your natural instinct which is always good. That's undeniable. Evil is not your natural instinct. It is against your natural instinct. Reflect deep. Coz I can't bring every example of life here, but think basic points. For example. Do you like anyone hurt you physically, do you like anyone hurt you mentally, do you like anyone take your wealth by stealing or unfairly, do you like anyone aggressive at you, do you like anyone killing your children, do you like anyone mocking at you, etc etc. Do you like in a nutshell any EVIL fall on you from others? Then imagine why you want to do any of such evils to another person? Isn't this truth of life? Look at the opposite side as well.. Don't you like all the good things happen to you? Doesn't that sums up that we are created with good and our natural instincts are based on good but good. So from where evils creeps in? Yes when you choose agaisnt Naturallly built in pattern. So God has guided everyone with basic of basics. Messengers only came to remind and to let us maintain and to cultivate our natural instinct by not choosing evil path
On top of that to let us know what we don't know.If you reflect deep with what I have written, you will God willing get the better picture of your life and the path of God as white as snow.
In a nutshell, live a well disciplined life in which only good comprises of natural life and obey the Creator and remember the Creator and magnify Him since you have been guided.. That's all you have to do in life. Beyond that all rituals...
Thank you for reading..
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Life on earth is about discernment.
Discernment between two polar opposite.
Good-evil, light-darkness, love-hatred, humility-pride, compassion-revenge, acceptance-judgement etc..
Which shall be a crossroad for your future journey.The creator creates everything, origination point of everything, destination point of everything and is in everything.
Thus it is not in conflict with anything.Metaphorically, in similar manner as Tolkien is not in conflict with Sauron as Sauron is only a character among many others in Lord Of The Rings universe which was created by Tolkien.
Sauron are among those who took the dark path, while there are other characters who took the light path as the opposite.
Yet each character will have it's unique path, no multiple characters took the same exact path.Similarly, this Satan character took the dark path.
The path of pride, hatred, envy, conquer/control, ego/self centered.
But as mentioned this character is not 'in conflict' with it's creator / author.
It exist for a purpose, just like everything else on this universe.
It can function on showing how the light path looks like, it's the opposite of the above characteristics.The dark path is a path that eventually lead to 'dead end' so to speak.
But it is among a valid path back to the creator, thus at one point this Satan or anyone else (human or non human) who took the dark path will need to make a transformative U turn.This is the game of this universe, with it's trillion of galaxies, quadrillion of stars and multiple dimension within.
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Life on earth is about discernment.
Discernment between two polar opposite.
Good-evil, light-darkness, love-hatred, humility-pride, compassion-revenge, acceptance-judgement etc..
Which shall be a crossroad for your future journey.What is our future journey?
reincarnation! -
What is our future journey?
reincarnation!The question will be "as what?"
If simplified; it can be either- learning, experiencing and expressing unconditional love?
- learning, experiencing and expressing pride and hatred?
Yet both path will merged at one point.
Every character that you assumed role in and experiencing with, at any point in space/time, is virtual / temporary.
As space/time are virtual by itself.I died to the mineral state and became a plant,
I died to the vegetal state and reached animality,
I died to the animal state and became a man,
Then what should I fear? I have never become less from dying.
At the next charge (forward) I will die to human nature,
So that I may lift up (my) head and wings among the angels,
And I must (also) jump from the river of (the state of) the angel,
Everything perishes except His Face,
Once again I will become sacrificed from (the state of) the angel,
I will become that which cannot come into the imagination,
Then I will become non-existent; non-existence says to me (in tones) like an organ.
Truly, to Him is our return.
-- Jalalaldin Muhammad Rumi, Masnavi -
Every character that you assumed role in and experiencing with, at any point in space/time, is virtual / temporary.
As space/time are virtual by itself.I died to the mineral state and became a plant,
I died to the vegetal state and reached animality,
I died to the animal state and became a man,
Then what should I fear? I have never become less from dying.
At the next charge (forward) I will die to human nature,
So that I may lift up (my) head and wings among the angels,
And I must (also) jump from the river of (the state of) the angel,
Everything perishes except His Face,
Once again I will become sacrificed from (the state of) the angel,
I will become that which cannot come into the imagination,
Then I will become non-existent; non-existence says to me (in tones) like an organ.
Truly, to Him is our return.
-- Jalalaldin Muhammad Rumi, MasnaviI don't get you!
Say, if you as a good person dies what will happen to you?
What is the difference between you and the evil one in the hereafter?OR
Do we just vanish after this worldly life?Just for curiosity!
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I don't get you!
Say, if you as a good person dies what will happen to you?
What is the difference between you and the evil one in the hereafter?OR
Do we just vanish after this worldly life?Just for curiosity!
Salaam Shukri,
Just curious, so you don't believe in last day?Peace
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I'm just asking bro Jafar about his belief
Btw, I'm a Quran follower
Before that I was an atheist/agnosticSalaam.
Oh okay, I just saw your message regarding reincarnation, and just wondering how it works with the Last day and The Gathering day..
I heard some Quranist people believe in reincarnation, but I still don't understand how it works.
Peace
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Life is loving GOD our creator the most and seeking His approval by following His commands /instructions /message.
If we love God the most, the number one priority in our lives should be to please GOD.No one or nothing else should take priority before GOD. Otherwise we may fall into idol worship without realizing.
Yet, some people set up idols to rival GOD, and love them as if they are GOD. Those who believe LOVE GOD the most…. (2165)
We know that GOD is watching over us and knows what we are trying to do. GOD is not pleased by our mere utterances, but by our actual intentions or actions to carry out His commandments. When pleasing GOD through our righteousness becomes the most important aspect of our life, GOD promises us that wonderful things will happen in our lives
GOD promises those among you who believe and lead righteous life, that He will make them LIKE sovereigns on earth, as He did for those before them, and will establish for them the religion He has chosen for them, and will substitute peace and security for them in place of fear. All this because they serve/follow Me alone, without setting up any idols besides Me. Those who disbelieve after this are the truly wicked" (2455).
Thus if we live a GOD-centric life by making GOD a priority, we reap the benefits, not only in the Hereafter, but in this life as well. We don’t have to neglect this life to achieve our goal of pleasing GOD; we just need to be conscious of what our real priority is in all aspects of our lives. Then trust in GOD and act on it.
“Use the provisions bestowed upon you by GOD to seek the abode of the Hereafter, without neglecting your share in this world. Be charitable, as GOD has been charitable towards you. Do not keep on corrupting the earth. GOD does not love the corruptors.” (2877)
GOD bless you all.
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Life on earth is about discernment.
Discernment between two polar opposite.
Good-evil, light-darkness, love-hatred, humility-pride, compassion-revenge, acceptance-judgement etc..
Which shall be a crossroad for your future journey.Hi Mysterious man,
"Two polar opposite" are being created by GOD to differentiate between Him (the Oneness) and His creations (all in pairs) ... No issue on that.
5149 And of everything We created a pair, perhaps you may remember.
4312 He is the One who created all kinds, in pairs, and He created for you ships and livestock to ride.BUT
My question or my curiosity isWhat will happen to you and me when we pass away?
Will the good and the evil person go to the same destination/fate after they die?
And what destination/fate it is!
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Will we vanish into thin air after this worldly life?
And no existence anymore!Note I'm repeatedly asking you the same question because I am very enthusiastic to know your belief about the upcoming journey of our soul after we die.
Please kindly spare your time to answer my curiosity.
I'm begging you! hail
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"Two polar opposite" are being created by GOD to differentiate between Him (the Oneness) and His creations (all in pairs) ... No issue on that.
The two polar opposite are created to "DIFFERENTIATE" one and the other.
While the Creator is infinite thus encompasses all.
Infinite means has no border on any dimension.
As even dimension itself is part of creation.
And that include space/time dimension.That's also the reason on "WHY" there is only one Creator.
Understanding of such concept shall no longer require one to 'believe' on there's only one Creator.
Because he has understood on WHY there's only one Creator.My question or my curiosity is
What will happen to you and me when we pass away?
Will the good and the evil person go to the same destination/fate after they die?
And what destination/fate it is!
OR
Will we vanish into thin air after this worldly life?
And no existence anymore!What will happened to jafar and shukri when this forum became offline tomorrow and never again reappeared on the internet?
The existence of jafar and shukri depends on the existence of this forum as it's "realm" or "dimension".
Once the forum ceases to exist, so does jafar and shukri.
What remains might be the data / memory about jafar and shukri up to the point of end of the forum existence.
Yet jafar and shukri is merely a forum avatar, it dies along with the forum.Yet the consciousness behind jafar and shukri lingers on isn't it?
Continuing it's journey of experiencing.
But it might not identify itself as jafar and / or shukri anymore.While the ultimate destination for the journey is the same for everyone and everything because it's also the ultimate source / starting point of everyone and everything.
Thus the answer of "what is the ultimate destination" is the same to the answer of "what is the ultimate source/starting point".Borrowing the word from Rumi's poem
Then I will become non-existent; non-existence says to me (in tones) like an organ.
Truly, to Him is our return.Or in the word of Neale Donald Walsch
"Eventually everyone will realize that there's only one person in the room". -
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Bro Jafar,
Many thanks for your explanation
Very interesting indeed!But everything in this world needs some kind of evidence to substantiate our claim
I believe you must have solid proof to support your belief
Please share with us, if any!Thank you.
You're welcome...
Unlike many other people, please bear in mind that I'm not trying or asking for anyone to 'believe'.
Thus the reason why I never used any 'spreading threat or fear' technique to make other 'believe'.I'm recommending for you or anyone to SEEK.
Because only through the act of seeking, that you must start by yourself, you will find the answer.
And the answer will not came from me or any other external sources, but from within your own self.And due to guaranteed uniqueness of experience that one shall experienced, the answer given to one soul will not be regarded as a 'convincing answer' by another. As each have their own unique context and experience. Thus unique angle to seek answer of.
Jesus did that, Muhammad did that, Rumi did that, Neale Walsh did that, and many other soul that will be too many to mentioned them one by one. Each with their own distinctively unique way and context.
The Creator is not 'far away' and impossible/illogical to be 'far away' as it has no boundary.
All you need to do is ask.
Borrowing words from Jesus
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And due to guaranteed uniqueness of experience that one shall experienced, the answer given to one soul will not be regarded as a 'convincing answer' by another. As each have their own unique context and experience. Thus unique angle to seek answer of.
Neale Walsh I understand he had a conversation with god in-person, if I'm not mistaken
For you personally, what unique experience/proof is given to you?
Can you elaborate further!The Creator is not 'far away' and impossible/illogical to be 'far away' as it has no boundary.
All you need to do is ask.
Borrowing words from Jesus
Seek and you shall find, ask and it shall be given.Yes, I also do the same thing
Pray and sometime do meditation to seek the basic answer for this lifeAt last I found an article on Code 19
Now I fully believe that God exists and Al-Quran is a God message to humanity
And all the answers are there for our guidance and salvation.Thank you.
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Neale Walsh I understand he had a conversation with god in-person, if I'm not mistaken
The 'person' is himself, he talk with himself, the technique that he used was commonly called as "Automatic Writings". As such the term "The creator can be found within".
For you personally, what unique experience/proof is given to you?
Can you elaborate further!Nearly all of my inquiries got answered.
The creator uses every-thing (and every one) to deliver an answer.
The reason is obvious, because the creator creates every-thing (and every one), thus is in everything and everyone.Some example
- The reason why there's only one creator, got the answer from Jewish Rabbi.
- The answer to "what is islam", got the answer from the gospel and self help book.
- The answer to "what is space", got the answer from a paper about quantum physics.
Some other 'answers' came even from Billboard Ad or as menial as clock or other household scenery.
Yes, I also do the same thing Pray and sometime do meditation to seek the basic answer for this life
Yes meditation is advisable, basically empty your mind.
As only when the egoic mind is silent, the inspiration will become clearer, without narcissistic tendency and noise from an egoic mind.Now I fully believe that God exists and Al-Quran is a God message to humanity
As mentioned the creator creates every-thing, thus every-event, every-one and even every-place is a message.
And all the answers are there for our guidance and salvation.
You should then try to ask Salvation from what?
Are you in danger of some kind?
From whom? From God?The answer that I got for the above question is
Such construct is a lie, originated from religion, wherein religion try to put itself as a 'solution' to a 'problem' that actually doesn't exist in order to gain control over the masses through fear.The religion of Islam copied it from the religion of Christianity, where in "human" are deemed to be born sinful, because their ancestor ate an apple which makes the creator angry.
Thus the creator, by default, will punished and torture human's soul when they die.
Until Jesus came along as "savior", thus to avoid the danger of being punished by the creator one need to accept Jesus as their savior. Yet since Jesus is no longer around, the only solution to receive "salvation" from "an angry God" is to join a religion which worship Jesus, as nobody goes to God except through Jesus. Thus the conception of "True Religion" is born, only "true religion" will bring salvation (from an angry God).The religion of Islam copied the same concept and then just change Jesus with Muhammad, Gospel/Bible with Quran and so on... yet at the very core it's an exact copy of the religion of Christianity. As both was invented by a 'political authority' (emperor/caliph) with the same goal, controlling the masses through fear.
Among the many 'sign' that inspired me for such answer is when I encountered and observed how the Mafia operate. The modus operandi is called "Racketeering". The objective is the same.
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Bro Jafar,
Thanks for your elaboration
But I have some more question if you don't mindAccording to your belief
(1) What is the purpose of this life?
(2) How about our deeds, is there any accountability for it? If the answer is "yes", what is the consequence?Your belief is quite new for me
Sorry, if a lot of questions arise in this conversation!Thanks for your time.
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According to your belief
(1) What is the purpose of this life?What's the purpose of your existence in this forum?
The answer will varied depending those being asked, and all of that answer is 'equally true', for each perspective.
And the answer will also change, over time, for each perspective.(2) How about our deeds, is there any accountability for it? If the answer is "yes", what is the consequence?
Every deeds, thoughts, feelings/emotion have an effect.
Thus the statement
Every good things that you do, you're doing it to your own soul, every bad things that you do, you're doing it to your own soul.It then beg the additional question what is soul? isn't it?
And then what is good? and what is bad?The creator has wonderfully created the universe with 'mirror principle'.
Also known as "what goes around comes around" principle.In some part of the world this is named as "the principle of karma" or "the principle of action".
It is the mechanism to learn 'what is good' and 'what is bad'.But there is one thing that will stop the effect or so-called 'consequences'.
It's the act of acceptance and forgiveness.
Both are among many expression of "unconditional love".
Thus the statement "In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of karma". -
What's the purpose of your existence in this forum?
The answer will varied depending those being asked, and all of that answer is 'equally true', for each perspective.
And the answer will also change, over time, for each perspective.I mean the purpose of life according to God's perspective (not human's perspective) when He first created human beings!
Every deeds, thoughts, feelings/emotion have an effect.
Thus the statement
Every good things that you do, you're doing it to your own soul, every bad things that you do, you're doing it to your own soul.It then beg the additional question what is soul? isn't it?
And then what is good? and what is bad?The creator has wonderfully created the universe with 'mirror principle'.
Also known as "what goes around comes around" principle.In some part of the world this is named as "the principle of karma" or "the principle of action".
It is the mechanism to learn 'what is good' and 'what is bad'.But there is one thing that will stop the effect or so-called 'consequences'.
It's the act of acceptance and forgiveness.
Both are among many expression of "unconditional love".
Thus the statement "In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of karma".I mean the consequences after we die
What happened to our soul especially for people who never receive their karma in this worldly life?
Is there any place equivalent to heaven and hell awaiting us!Thank you.
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I mean the purpose of life according to God's perspective (not human perspective) when He first created human beings!
As mentioned, the creator creates every-thing, and not only human-being.
As per today's knowledge, the universe contains trillion of galaxies wherein each galaxies it contains billions of stars.
The sun is merely one star among quadrillion of other stars.
Earth is only one planet that circulate a star among quadrillion of other stars.Within the lifetime of earth itself, this species called human only exist within a fraction of it's existence.
Some say 100,000 years prior now some others 200,000 years prior now, nonetheless it's a very small fraction of time in comparation of 4,5 Billion years of earth's age up until today.And just like any other species on earth, there will be time when this human species will become extinct.
And earth will become extinct and sun will one day blew up to become supernova gas as it was once before.
Every-thing beside the infinite is finite, within the domain of space-time, it has a beginning and an ending.Thus your question should be what is the purpose of creation?
Where in this species called human is merely one among quadri-quadrillion of 'temporary thing'.I mean the consequences after we die
What happened to our soul especially for people who never receive their karma in this worldly life?
Is there any place equivalent to heaven and hell awaiting us!As mentioned the 'law of action' is among the law that govern the universe.
Whatever one is aware or believe in it or not, it doesn't matter, it's automatically imposed.And every thoughts, emotion and action have an impact or effect towards the soul, throughout it's (finite) existence.
There is no such thing of any type of entities who 'did not receive the effect', as the effect is instantaneous.
Let's us zoom in to some example on your experience.
Observe how those who spread fear towards their surrounding are they not actually experiencing fear within him/her self?
Observe the effect of pride towards your own self?
And how it correlate with fear?
Observe the effect of hatred towards your own self?
Now transform fear, pride, hatred to it's polar opposite and see how it effects your own self?
The effect will also be opposite.Every thought, emotion and action leave an imprint towards one's soul.
Which then affect on how the soul sees it's environment.
Thus the saying "Haters always gonna hate"..Next you ask what happened when the physical human body has become dysfunctional.
I'll use a metaphor for this one, as it's similar.
I've answered before with metaphor of 'destruction of this web forum'.
As mentioned the consciousness behind the web forum avatar will linger on.
To which type of experience the consciousness will express itself next is purely dependent on it's "imprint" and "preference".
Those who love to express pride and hatred will join a forum or group which enable them to express those.
Those who love to express unconditional love will join a forum or group which enable them to express those.
End of metaphor.For example
Will a warmonger found a realm where war is impossible and everyone love each and other self found such realm to be 'desirable'?
A warmonger will definitely be attracted to a realm where there is a continuous conflict and war, where pride and hatred can be found in ample quantity.I've posted above the following
You wrote
What is our future journey?
reincarnation!I answered with
The question will be "as what?"
If simplified; it can be either- learning, experiencing and expressing unconditional love?
- learning, experiencing and expressing pride and hatred?
There are many realms to experience as many as there are stars in this universe. Quadri-Quadrillion in numbers. But the archetype or common pattern can be simplified with the above 2 options.
Yes one among those many realms are experiencing as human again on earth.
Which is commonly referred as 'reincarnation' or 'reincarnating as human again on earth' to be exact.
But with a different 'avatar' or 'character' and 'context'.
The memory will then be covered with a 'veil', thus you cannot (easily) recalled what you've experienced before.
Yet the 'veil' is actually semi-permeable and can be penetrated.This video might be interesting for you, a gentleman who recalled a fragment of memory of living in ancient egypt as a person named "Moshe".
https//youtu.be/PToR6DjjdmU?t=2436
