What is life?

[shukri]

As mentioned, the creator creates every-thing, and not only human-being.

As per today's knowledge, the universe contains trillion of galaxies wherein each galaxies it contains billions of stars.
The sun is merely one star among quadrillion of other stars.
Earth is only one planet that circulate a star among quadrillion of other stars.

Within the lifetime of earth itself, this species called human only exist within a fraction of it's existence.
Some say 100,000 years prior now some others 200,000 years prior now, nonetheless it's a very small fraction of time in comparation of 4,5 Billion years of earth's age up until today.

And just like any other species on earth, there will be time when this human species will become extinct.
And earth will become extinct and sun will one day blew up to become supernova gas as it was once before.
Every-thing beside the infinite is finite, within the domain of space-time, it has a beginning and an ending.

Thus your question should be what is the purpose of creation?
Where in this species called human is merely one among quadri-quadrillion of 'temporary thing'.

Sorry!
I am just interested to know why humans are created by God on this tiny planet called "earth".

*That's okay if you don't want to answer this question!

Note
The purpose of our life (a.k.a. why we are created) is clearly stated in the Quran
5156 I did not create the jinns and the humans except to worship Me alone.
187 We have adorned everything on earth, in order to test them, and thus distinguish those among them who work righteousness.
672 The One who created death and life for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better. He is the Almighty, the Forgiving.

Which is commonly referred as 'reincarnation' or 'reincarnating as human again on earth' to be exact.
But with a different 'avatar' or 'character' and 'context'.
The memory will then be covered with a 'veil', thus you cannot (easily) recalled what you've experienced before.
Yet the 'veil' is actually semi-permeable and can be penetrated.

This video might be interesting for you, a gentleman who recalled a fragment of memory of living in ancient egypt as a person named "Moshe".
https//youtu.be/PToR6DjjdmU?t=2436

At last I know you believe in reincarnation
And no place called paradise or hell after we die.

Bro Jafar,
Thank for your valuable time to entertain my curiosity
Now I have a better picture of your belief
And indeed this is a fresh knowledge for me.
And it's my pleasure to know a kind man like you.

So long brother!

Just for a note
I belief in Quran is solely based on these verses
7430 Upon it is nineteen.
7435 It is one of the great ones.
7436 A warning to mortals.
7437 For any among you who wishes to advance or regress.

Ends
Thank you.

[jkhan]

228 "And of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening book "

I initiated this topic stating 'what is life' ... Well it seems like life has reincarnated for many. . Good job bro Jafer. Speculations is also a kind of a religion in which many people are much happier than the absolute truth of the Creator..
If one chooses your speculations and live and die.. No harm.. Coz you don't teach cruality.. Do you? So not a bad choice.. Peaceful.. Isn't it? But after death if what God and His Messengers spoke were true then you become a big liar...

So in a nutshell.. The one who had chosen your path has to reply to God coz it is against God's genuine path.. Your path is Satans deception..
But.. If there is no God or gods or any super forces after death or for that matter NO LIFE AT ALL AFTER DEATH, then Jafer's path or Shukri's path or any path for that matter has no effect on us... Just chill..
So.. Why would any intelligent person choose a fragile option like yours while witnessing this massive creations ? Or why would one choose your path which has no promises(positive or negative) from any supernatural power?

How many times we have discussed this topic in the past bro Jafer.. Haven't we? You not gonna answer, I know... Lol.. But you will vanish for extended period and reincarnate again with a veil . .. Keep doing.. ... Shall I tell you a secret? Don't worry! there will be people on this earth who love your path as well.. Coz... Otherwise from where majority will get formed for Satan to dupe?.. So.. You have your party.. Just fortify them..

Thank you..

[Jafar]

I am just interested to know why humans are created by God on this tiny planet called "earth".

Like mentioned, every thing is created by the same creator and every thing is created for a purpose.
You need to dive down to each individual as each individual has their own unique purpose.

There is a way for you to better understand this, since you're a creator yourself, each of us are.
Write a novel, create characters and device a realm and storyline for them.

And then asked yourself, what's the purpose of you creating character A, character B and C and so on.
And you will understand that each character that you've created have their own unique purpose.

At last I know you believe in reincarnation
And no place called paradise or hell after we die.

As mentioned incarnation as what?
There are many realms to experience, and not only two.

Although simplified the type of realms can be either
A. Learning experiencing unconditional love.
B. Fostering your own ego, pride, hatred.

People sometimes refer to realm type A as "paradise" while B as "hell".

But isn't it also "incarnating into realm type A or B"?
Thus I don't see any conflict here.

Yes it's also possible to "incarnating" into in between realm, such as human on earth where there's an ample opportunity of both A and B.
Before finally decisively made up one's mind, love? or pride and hatred?

Yet all of those realms are created by the Creator.
And as mentioned, none of those realms are eternal or infinite.

Again I do not ask you or anyone to believe, I recommend you or anyone to seek.

The key to answer what happened after that figure that you saw in the mirror dies lies in what happened before that figure that you saw in the mirror was born.

The answer lies inside of you, once you uncovered it you will not believe but KNOW.
When you need to refer to a book or external sources then you are believing (in a book or an external source) but do not know.

[jkhan]

Like mentioned, every thing is created by the same creator and every thing is created for a purpose.
You need to dive down to each individual as each individual has their own unique purpose.

There is a way for you to better understand this, since you're a creator yourself, each of us are.
Write a novel, create characters and device a realm and storyline for them.

And then asked yourself, what's the purpose of you creating character A, character B and C and so on.
And you will understand that each character that you've created have their own unique purpose.

As mentioned incarnation as what?
There are many realms to experience, and not only two.

Although simplified the type of realms can be either
A. Learning experiencing unconditional love.
B. Fostering your own ego, pride, hatred.

People sometimes refer to realm type A as "paradise" while B as "hell".

But isn't it also "incarnating into realm type A or B"?
Thus I don't see any conflict here.

Yes it's also possible to "incarnating" into in between realm, such as human on earth where there's an ample opportunity of both A and B.
Before finally decisively made up one's mind, love? or pride and hatred?

Yet all of those realms are created by the Creator.
And as mentioned, none of those realms are eternal or infinite.

Again I do not ask you or anyone to believe, I recommend you or anyone to seek.

The key to answer what happened after that figure that you saw in the mirror dies lies in what happened before that figure that you saw in the mirror was born.

The answer lies inside of you, once you uncovered it you will not believe but KNOW.
When you need to refer to a book or external sources then you are believing (in a book or an external source) but do not know.

How unfortunate your thoughts are... You deluded and deceiving others in your own error.. How can one teach another while he is lost the path. You say God created everything, but hilariously never communicated to human through messengers to herald the Truth of His.. Isn't it? But unfortunately saying God communicates to people like Neal Welch, you etc.. So.. God just for pass time communicates with certain people but never communicated to herald His message.. And God's communication has become piece of joke to you.. So Quran is just political agenda and Neal Walsh communication is much meaningful... Do you see funny side of it? So God talks to you, though Quran is invention copied from some human fabrication? So.. What you are telling is truth and not what Quran says? Do you know the definition of truth and speculation?

Did God create this massive Earth and heavens and kept silent forever. Just talking to some people on the earth personally.. So is that all? So is that why God created all things?
Or is it easy for you to say since you never see God, so talk about God whatever comes to mind..?

Don't you understand every human is inbuilt with what is good and he is craving for justice for himself?

Never forget Satan talks to human and Satan is god of many millions of people and you are one of them... Coz SATAN can only talk against God and not For.. So indeed you are communicating unfortunately with Satan..

That's why God's says.. Didnt I tell you not to Ibada (serve) SATAN?

Red highlighted.. well.. Speculations will never become truth.. Belief is not truth either.. Convincing state is truth.. God's book has written truth and let all knowledgeable apply their senses .so they become from belief to KNOW .. That's how God has written His book to reflect using intellect and decide.. If anyone feels whatever written nonsensical in Quran, can leave it.. No worries.. Note.. Even one chooses the book or his own speculation, but truth is one, and there is no second truth for truth.. If Quran is political agenda then it is also a speculation of another human being like Jafer or Neal.. Isn't it.. So let those intelligent decide quran is speculation or Glorious words of the Creator. .. No compulsion.. Whoever chooses right path is benefited

[shukri]

(For Information Only)

I have searched some articles on Neale Donald Walsch
And found this interesting christianity website
https//www.gotquestions.org/conversations-with-God.html
(Is the Conversations with God series biblically sound?)

Since the article is not too long, just a few paragraphs, I just copy paste here

The book that started it all, Conversations with God, Book 1 An Uncommon Dialogue, spent over two and a half years on the New York Times Best Sellers List, and in 2006 a movie based on the book was released. Conversations with God, or CwG, is the brainchild of Neale Donald Walsch. In 1995, Walsch released the first book in the series, followed by eight more books, all written as dialogues between Walsch and “God.” The basic premise of the series is that God is “speaking” to everyone all the time and that Walsch began listening. He wrote Book 1 while struggling with thoughts of suicide and questions over the meaning of life.

Walsch claims divine inspiration for Conversations with God, saying that God literally spoke to him (“over my right shoulder”), and he wrote down what he heard as if taking dictation. However, in an April 7, 2000, interview on CNN’s Larry King Live, Walsch admitted that he couldn’t be sure that it was God speaking and that the books could have been the product of his own subconscious.

To be continued ...

[shukri]

In Conversations with God, Walsch says a voice told him that God is everything and everything is God. Therefore, we humans are “God.” Everyone around you is simply “you” in a different form, and we are all “God". Here, Walsch is repeating one of Satan’s original lies, “You will be as God” (Genesis 35).

Walsch also claims in the Conversations with God series that all life is eternal. Death is “the great illusion.” There is no judgment, no punishment, and no hell, for there is no reason for any of that—there is no sin. After death, a person goes to a different level of existence in order to “continue the evolution of the human soul.” This teaching in Conversations with God is in direct conflict with Hebrews 927 and many other passages of Scripture that teach the reality of judgment after death.

To be continued ...

[Jafar]

But unfortunately saying God communicates to people like Neal Welch, you etc.. So..
God just communicates with certain people but never communicated to herald His message..
Just talking to some people on the earth personally..

Is not what you state above is the idea that is being proposed by religion?
The creator only talk to selected few elite?
And the non-elite will then need to pay absolute obedience (we hear and we obey, samina wa atona, 2451) to the selected few elite?

Otherwise the Creator will punish those who do not obey the chosen elite?
Thus the dogma of 'salvation' was born?
Salvation from punishment.
Absurdly, punishment from all-loving Creator?

More than that, the above religion furtherly stated that God has stopped talking, even to the 'selected few' with their "No more revelation" dogma. So you need to fully believe in the book that the religion has compiled and in any statement that they proposed.

I stated the opposite of such statement.
The creator talk to each and everyone of us, yes to you too jkhan.
The creator uses every-thing to talk to you as the creator creates every-thing.

Mr Walsch also deliver the same message, which is in opposition to what religion teaches, specifically Christianity and Christianity 2.0 (Islam) religion.
An interview with Walsch, where the interviewer clearly hold the above religion mindset.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjAno8FwOPY

More than that even Jesus deliver the same message, in opposition to the above religion.
"Seek and you shall find, ask and it shall be given"
Matt 77

Never forget Satan talks to human and Satan is god of many millions of people and you are one of them...

Now let's dwelve into this "Satan" figure that you very often mentioned.

First one need to know his or should I say their characteristic, the Quran has stated correctly that

1. He is part of creation, just like you and me and everything else. Specifically he evolved from "Genie" or also commonly called "Nature Spirit". Thus his domain and working area is only on earth.
2. He's among those who took the negative path.
3. Anywhere in this universe, the negative path has these characteristic of #pride, #anger, #ego-centricity, #control, #conquer

Those who had ego-centricity, insecurity, pride are usually the one who asked to be worshipped and obeyed.
And issuing threat of punishment (spreading fear) for those who did not obey and/or worship.

Just like the mafia, emperor, king, caliph even some nation leader of today, Kim Jong Un might be a good example of today. Their other modus operandi beside coercion through fear, is they operate through lies and manipulation.

Yes they have certain advantage in comparation to (most) human is that they can see human but human cannot see them through their physical eyes. But all that they can do is to whisper and imbued certain idea / suggestion, telepathically, which the human commonly mistaken as his/her own idea.

Their suggestions are actually easily distinguishable because it revolves around, #pride, #greed, #fear, #insecurity, #envy, #hatred, #anger, #control, #conquer, #harm, commonly ego-centered.
As such that those who then follow the suggested idea will also reflect such characteristics.
Thus you or anyone else should not fear them as they are easily recognizable and 'spreading fear' is among their objective in the first place.

Those who took the negative path (human, genie or any other form) also have their role to play in this universe.
In similar manner as Sauron have role to play in Lord Of The Rings universe and Darth Sidious in Star Wars universe.
Yet it's a path that lead to dead end.

The Creator is so loving and compassionate that he always have "his arm open" (metaphor) to those who want to return to the path of unconditional love.

[shukri]

According to the author of Conversations with God, there is no right way to live or one way to come to God. There are many ways, and all of them are equally valid. All the gods of various religions are really the same “God.” Of course, the One True God disagrees with Walsch “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God’” (Isaiah 446).

Walsch insists in Book 1 of Conversations with God that words cannot communicate truth. Instead, truth comes as each individual consults his or her own feelings. Everyone is right, and no one is wrong; contradictory “truths” are not a problem in Walsch’s faulty logic. It’s interesting for a man who has given the world nearly 3,000 pages of words to state that words cannot communicate truth. What, then, is he communicating?

Ends.

[Jafar]

@shukri
Yes the so-called "holy book" (any holy book) is a mixture of truth and falsehood.
That's why religion asked one to 'believe' and never consult his/her own intuition.
Because the creator speaks through your intuition.
That's the reason why 'silencing the egoic mind' might enable your intuition to be more clearly be heard.

[jkhan]

Is not what you state above is the idea that is being proposed by religion?
The creator only talk to selected few elite?
And the non-elite will then need to pay absolute obedience (we hear and we obey, samina wa atona, 2451) to the selected few elite?

Otherwise the Creator will punish those who do not obey the chosen elite?
Thus the dogma of 'salvation' was born?
Salvation from punishment.
Absurdly, punishment from all-loving Creator?

More than that, the above religion furtherly stated that God has stopped talking, even to the 'selected few' with their "No more revelation" dogma. So you need to fully believe in the book that the religion has compiled and in any statement that they proposed.

I stated the opposite of such statement.
The creator talk to each and everyone of us, yes to you too jkhan.
The creator uses every-thing to talk to you as the creator creates every-thing.

Mr Walsch also deliver the same message, which is in opposition to what religion teaches, specifically Christianity and Christianity 2.0 (Islam) religion.
An interview with Walsch, where the interviewer clearly hold the above religion mindset.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjAno8FwOPY

More than that even Jesus deliver the same message, in opposition to the above religion.
"Seek and you shall find, ask and it shall be given"
Matt 77

Now let's dwelve into this "Satan" figure that you very often mentioned.

First one need to know his or should I say their characteristic, the Quran has stated correctly that

1. He is part of creation, just like you and me and everything else. Specifically he evolved from "Genie" or also commonly called "Nature Spirit". Thus his domain and working area is only on earth.
2. He's among those who took the negative path.
3. Anywhere in this universe, the negative path has these characteristic of #pride, #anger, #ego-centricity, #control, #conquer

Those who had ego-centricity, insecurity, pride are usually the one who asked to be worshipped and obeyed.
And issuing threat of punishment (spreading fear) for those who did not obey and/or worship.

Just like the mafia, emperor, king, caliph even some nation leader of today, Kim Jong Un might be a good example of today. Their other modus operandi beside coercion through fear, is they operate through lies and manipulation.

Yes they have certain advantage in comparation to (most) human is that they can see human but human cannot see them through their physical eyes. But all that they can do is to whisper and imbued certain idea / suggestion, telepathically, which the human commonly mistaken as his/her own idea.

Their suggestions are actually easily distinguishable because it revolves around, #pride, #greed, #fear, #insecurity, #envy, #hatred, #anger, #control, #conquer, #harm, commonly ego-centered.
As such that those who then follow the suggested idea will also reflect such characteristics.
Thus you or anyone else should not fear them as they are easily recognizable and 'spreading fear' is among their objective in the first place.

Those who took the negative path (human, genie or any other form) also have their role to play in this universe.
In similar manner as Sauron have role to play in Lord Of The Rings universe and Darth Sidious in Star Wars universe.
Yet it's a path that lead to dead end.

The Creator is so loving and compassionate that he always have "his arm open" (metaphor) to those who want to return to the path of unconditional love.

It is not one man show brother Jafeer...

God has a way to herald His messages from the day He placed human on Earth... As the book teaches us three modes.. He has chosen His way of sending through a Malak angel and deliver it to a chosen human being in their own language over a long period of time... Thus He has covered all ancient cities... He confirms that in Quran that He did it... People of the past is witness to it and God has recorded it as proof.. In that series God ended His Heralding writen guidance to human being with Quran... So now we live in modern era and everyone can reach this book if anyone is seriously looking God in their life.. Those who don't believe in God would never reach even God's name is written in the sky..
Other two ways of God's communication is extremely personal... It is inspiration directly and communication verbally directly.. I don't bother about it... If one Saya God inspired me, I don't mind whatever... Nothing to do with me.. Even God inspires me I am sure. That's between every individual and God. . But no one can reach God without God's guidance or Gods true gifted knowledge or God's written book.. Nothing new now... All well cleared from anceint time to Quran...
But God keep sending His Messengers with existing Messages and some of the Ghaibs be disclosed to talk to hearts of people... It's ever happening...

So don't say Neil Walsch is same as Messengers /Prophets.. You didn't live with them so you can belie them... Had you lived with Isa while performing those acts which God only could perform then your mouth would have been sealed without speach.. Well anyway... Guidance reach only to those who seek... Not for those who purchased misguidance at the expense of guidance.. So trade is done... Nothing else to purchase...

God is near to us.. He knows what is in our heart. . He knows every sects of us.. He is a watcher ever. He has not lost connection with His creations...

On the other hand you don't get Satans deception at all eventhough i explained A-Z... No point of elaborating further on that coz you have made a deal already with Satan.. It's hard to U turn now. Go read my first post of this topic. God is just and His messages are crystal clear. .whatever God heralds is full of mercy and generosity and well within the nature humanbeing is created.

[jkhan]

Yes the so-called "holy book" (any holy book) is a mixture of truth and falsehood.
That's why religion asked one to 'believe' and never consult his/her own intuition.
Because the creator speaks through your intuition.
That's the reason why 'silencing the egoic mind' might enable your intuition to be more clearly be heard.

And they will say "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!"

This is the biggest issue with you... You know what. Saying whatever comes to mouth as if God has no knowledge at all.
How do you say mixture of truth and falsehood... Why need mixture of truth? Isn't falsehood enough in the way of deception? Deception has no truth save falsehood? No need mixture of both... Satan never gives you mixture of both .He gives only falsehood. I repeat you only falsehood.

Quran never asked us to accept anything blindly away from intuition... Those who do so only end up in hell fire. Quran repeats at the end of many a verses to reflect .reflect reflect... It doesn't beg pls pls pls accept.. If one is honest and if he reflects and if he realizes then decide. No compulsion.. That's Quran's message to all. Those who said we hear we obey is their agreement coz they lived with the messenger and they must have a reason to do so. God doesn't ask everyone to do so...dont talk about intuition in that way as if you have never read this book. .. You can say whatever. But book doesn't say what you say.

[shukri]

@shukri
Yes the so-called "holy book" (any holy book) is a mixture of truth and falsehood.
That's why religion asked one to 'believe' and never consult his/her own intuition.
Because the creator speaks through your intuition.
That's the reason why 'silencing the egoic mind' might enable your intuition to be more clearly be heard.

I personally do not 100% believe in intuition
Because the source of intuition/inspiration is a "ghaib" (unseen)
Maybe from heaven or maybe it comes from the whisper of the evil
No certainty about that.

And that's why I take the Quran as my guidance
The only scripture on earth that can prove objectively it divinity to humanity

7430 Upon it is nineteen.
7435 It is one of the great ones.
7436 A warning to mortals.
7437 For any among you who wishes to advance or regress.

AND the challenge is there for the people in-doubt
223 If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one surah like these, and call upon your own witnesses against God, if you are truthful.
224 If you cannot do this and you can never do this then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

The proof of in-built miracle 19 in the Quran can be seen and verified by all of us right before our eyes
And not "ghaib" at all!

Glory be to Alllah!

Thank you.

[Jafar]

He has chosen His way of sending through a Malak angel and deliver it to a chosen human being in their own language over a long period of time...

Partly Disagree.
For a 'chosen' to exist, the 'unchosen' need to exist.

This is again the conception of "separation", that there is among the masses, a few elite who are chosen and the masses who are unchosen.

This is the foundation of Judaism religion, where a group of people claimed to be "chosen people" while the others (egyptians, phillisitenes, assyrians, the uncircumcised people) are deemed "unchosen".
This is actually a manifestation of pride and the foundation of pride.
(Uber Alles attitude, I'm / we're chosen while others are not)

I then state again, that every-one and every-thing are always receiving message from the Creator, as the Creator is within each of their own self.

As for 'language' I agree, the Creator always communicate towards every-thing in their own mean that they understand. Including to being who do not communicate by using spoken language.

Thus He has covered all ancient cities... He confirms that in Quran that He did it... People of the past is witness to it and God has recorded it as proof.. In that series God ended His Heralding writen guidance to human being with Quran... So now we live in modern era and everyone can reach this book if anyone is seriously looking God in their life..

Disagree.
Even many people of today's is a witness to it.
The creator never ends it's communication with each being, not now not in the future.

I fully understand the motivation of those who made a claim that the communication has ended and then released an artifact (a book) that this is the "last message".
In which again, I'm in opposition of such view.

So don't say Neil Walsch is same as Messengers /Prophets.. You didn't live with them so you can belie them... Had you lived with Isa while performing those acts which God only could perform then your mouth would have been sealed without speach.. Well anyway...

I never said Walsch is the same as Jesus or Jesus is the same as Siddhartha.
Each have their own uniqueness.

But in terms of "communicating with the Creator" each being is the same, each being are capable.
Walsch/Jesus whomever is not higher than you and you are not higher than Jesus/Walsch or whomever.
Something which Jesus and Walsch also propagate.

Guidance reach only to those who seek...

I agree, if the "only" word is strike out.
What one need to do is just to seek and to ask.
And if they could silence their egoic mind, at least temporarily, the message will be clearer.

The message of egoic mind are among others only "we" are the guided, only "our religion" is the truest religion, only "our book" is the truest book, only "our people" is the chosen people, such message is a noise to the Creator's message, which always invites every one to the path of unconditional love.
Again as mentioned, such egoic mind message is a manifestation of pride.

God is near to us.. He knows what is in our heart.

Agree.
The creator is within every-thing as the creator is infinite and has no border / boundary.
From the perspective of the creator anywhere is here, anytime is now and anyone/anything is me.

On the other hand you don't get Satans deception at all eventhough i explained A-Z... No point of elaborating further on that coz you have made a deal already with Satan.. It's hard to U turn now. Go read my first post of this topic. God is just and His messages are crystal clear. .whatever God heralds is full of mercy and generosity and well within the nature humanbeing is created.

As mentioned, those who took the negative path have common characteristics.
Regardless of who they are. #pride #anger #hatred #envy #separation #fear

They do have their own purpose, is to show the opposite as such #humility #forgiveness #love #acceptance #unity can be recognized.
Through the help of darkness the light can be clearer to see and differentiate.

Thus, I would like to say thank you to you, as we have played our opposing role very well in this forum.
Which makes it clearer for the reader to see.

[jkhan]

Well Jafeer..
Everyone has freedom of speech... I am not bothered about readers.. I only speak to believers coz I love those who have chosen God's path...

Chosen and unchosen... rotfl..well you will never realize this... God gives whom He wills. . His choice.. You are no one to guide God's choice...
So funny chosen to exist unchosen should exist.. ... I wonder how mean some people's knowledge is... What exist is what exist... You will never understand this... Coz I have explained this topic in black and white. Nothing existed.. Not chosen not unchosen.. Just people existed. Then God chose.. So there came existence of chosen..so unchosen is not required to exist to have chosen... Are you really ludicrous or a nonsensical person nit even able to perceive a basic logic?

Anyway... Thank you ..in sha Allah future if required I will involve in debate but I realized how illiterate one should be to call one should exist others to none exist.. rotfl
Evil should exist for good to exist.. Trust me.. That's so hilarious rotfl

[Jafar]

I think now is appropriate to cite this story about a monk and a warlord from Zen tradition, it's about the contrast.

A village was warned that a vicious warlord and his soldiers were coming to destroy the town, so they all fled.
All except one old monk, that is, who stayed meditating in the temple.

When the warlord came in and saw him, he drew his sword, pointed it at his head and said angrily
“Hah! You stupid monk! Why you don't fled like everybody else?"
"Don't you know who I am? Don’t you know I can run you through without batting an eye?!”
The old monk looked up at him and calmly replied
“And don’t you know that I can be run through without batting an eye?”

[jkhan]

4120

He promises them and fills them with fancies, but there is nothing Satan promises them except delusion.

Is there any truthful factor in the above verse.. Satan has no truth what so ever. No mixture of truth and falsehood but mere deception ie falsehood..

So what else one who follows Satan, would promise to others except what his master(iblees) does.. So as a follower of Satan he keeps tempting others with his fancy words speculations .. Keep it up.. Coz you love it.. Fortify your satanic community... You are not cruel.. I do agree... Coz Satan is not cruel, but intelligent deceiver.. But you deluded as rightly said by our Lord.. What is the point of living in deception? That's the worst life ever..