**Try This If You Don't Believe Jinns Are Physical Beings**
-
Hello People!
Moderators could you please leave this topic here until people have read it and then by all means move it to the Jinn section plzzzz
The point of this topic is that members on here believe Jinns to be emotions, thoughts etc and NOT physical/spiritual beings on a different astral plane. I have read about different summoning procedures to encounter Jinns and I just want your opinions on this.
The following is an extract from a website on a general description of summoning Jinn and if you don't believe Jinns are physical then why not try it for yourself. The following passages are in brief but if you want specific instructions or methods of contacting Jinns then I can post that up too
Fasting
One has to go through a period of fasting from sunrise to sunset for
numerous days. Upon breaking the fast, you are allowed only to eat
vegetarian prepared meals that have been prepared by yourself. No
food that had a soul may be eaten. This rule needs to be followed
for a successful evocation. The reason why a vegetarian diet is
required is because the body needs to be de-toxified of any
spiritual impurities. This also helps in meditation and the
invocation of Angelic assistance. Without the invocation of Angelic
assistance, the operator's life is exposed to great danger without
question. If you look at various medieval grimoires, you will see a
similar fasting regime which attributes to the same principle.Retreat (Chilla)
The operator has to retreat into isolation. This basically means you
need to shut yourself into a room where no one is allowed. This can
range from a few days to a full 40 day retreat for complex Jinn
evocations. The room is thoroughly cleaned with no furniture etc.
Constantly incense is burned and rose water is sprinkled in the four
corners. This room becomes the operator's temple where he/she prays
and meditates. Ultimately it is here in this room that the Jinn is
called. The operator can open a window for ventilation. Once into
the spiritual retreat there is minimul sleep. Around the clock
various mantras are recited and constant forgiveness is asked from
the Divine. If one has to sleep then this has to be done while in a
sitting position. Clothing must be clean always while in retreat and
Holy washes are performed numerous times during the day. Again
various incense attributes to various types of evocation. To summon
a normal Jinn you would use a particular type of incense but for a
Jinn King it would be completely different.Lunar Calender
Jinn evocation is done on selected months of the Arabic lunar
calender. Certain months are not suitable for evocation especially
the month of Ramadan which is the Holy Month of Muslims. To try and
summon a Jinn in the Holy Month of Ramadan is sucidal. Muslim Jinns
like Muslim humans also fast and pray, and to be summoned at this
time leads to grave danger with even the possibility of loss of
life. Also, an evocation is prohibited on a Thursday night as again
for Muslim Jinns and humans, Thursday night is a special night for
prayers leading upto to the Friday Prayer. I can speak from
experience as I was present in a similar situation and I am just
about here to tell my tale.The Actual Night of The Ritual
All Jinn evocation is done a night and in complete darkness. Jinn as
a rule do not like any light and thus the room needs to be in pitch
black with curtains closed. No light should enter the room what so
ever. The operator must erect a circle of protection. The circle can
be drawn with chalk on the ground but due to modern day carpeting
the circle may also be sketched on canvas and then placed on the
ground. Selected Koranic Verses are written around the circle
perimiter. Various amulets of protection are also written within the
circle. The amulets are in the form of Kameas (squares with numbers
in Arabic). Magical diagrams and Angelic scripts are also written
in various positions within the circle. Incense is burnt within the
circle of protection, the censor is positioned towards the east.The operator enters the circle of protection and using a dagger,
recites various mantras and closes the circle by tracing the outer
perimeter. The outter perimiter is sprinkled with iron fillings as
Jinn fear iron. The operator inscribes various symbols on his/her
forehead and arms for added protection. For the final protection
phase, the operator wears a protective vest inscribed with Koranic
Verses. The only weapon that is needed if the circle is broken is
the dagger. Operator may utilise the dagger in defense if attacked.A prayer mat is placed on a chair and in turn the chair is
positioned in the eastern side of the room outside the circle. The
chair is placed there for the Jinn to sit on if the Jinn wishes.
Fresh flowers, specially roses of various colours are placed next to
the chair in a vase. Rose petals are also thrown outside the circle
in vast quantities. The operator starts reciting the mantras in
complete darkness. The mantras are repeated in 1000s of cycles again
and again. A piece of small cloth soaked in mustard oil with Kamea
inscriptions is burnt on the censor. Without question, the room will
be filled with various presences. Although it is completely dark,
the operator will be able to see these as most of them will be
crowded around the circle, howling and shouting to the operator to
stop the ritual. They will try and break into the circle but the
will, faith and courage of the operator needs to be strong and
he/she must not stop the recitation of the mantras until the full
cycle is completed. This is the ultimate test of courage. The dagger
at this point is clutched in the hands incase there is a breach. The
whole room will be in complete pandemonium. If the circle is broken
then be prepared to have a physical fight.Once the cycle of repetition is completed, the howling stops and a
tall bodily figure can be seen either standing or sitting on the
chair. The figure glows in brilliant yellow/red light and it is
recommended not to look directly at it as severe damage can be done
to the eyes because of the intensity of the light. The Jinn will not
be a happy one as it has been forced to come against its wishes. Be
prepared to face an angry Jinn at this point. After making peace
usually the Jinn calms down for you to have a conversation etc.
Sometimes if you are unlucky you might find a Jinn which is
extremely stubborn and violent natured that won't give up without a
struggle. Again in this situation, one recites various mantras for
constraints. This can take minutes to several hours depending upon
the resistance. A conversation takes place and finally the Jinn is
asked for a secret name which it reluctantly gives to the operator
so when this name is whispered it arrives instantaneously for future
evocations. Once the objective is met, the Jinn is released and
thanked for its arrival. It is then asked to depart peacfully. The
Jinn may not want to leave thus poweful mantras for banishing is
performed. Once the Jinn leaves the room comes back to its normal
state. The operator does not leave the circle until a closing ritual
is performed for his/her safety. The entire ritual from start to
finish can last upto several hours and is extremely energy draining.
The mental and physical stress is so demanding, for days afterwards
the operator feels he/she is sufferring from severe bodily aches and
pains. Before retiring to bed and whilst leaving the house for the
next 21 days, various mantras are recited for the operator's
protection. If the operator forgets to do this then they may be open
for a Jinn attack whick can lead to ultimate death in worst
scenarios. People that involve themselves in Jinn evocation have
their lives changed completely. There is no turning back. You have
to follow strict rules as a slight deviation and you are subject to
serious injuries.PEACE
-
peace,
So for those who believe JNN to be other than separate distinct beings, you advise them to go against al quran's advice and practice superstition/magic?
No thanks.
Perhaps you can set up a camera and perform these acts yourself and present the evidence to us once done.
Good luck.
Wakas
-
peace,
So for those who believe JNN to be other than separate distinct beings, you advise them to go against al quran's advice and practice superstition/magic?
No thanks.
Perhaps you can set up a camera and perform these acts yourself and present the evidence to us once done.
Good luck.
Wakas
Contacting Jinns I believe is not PROHIBITED in the Quran unless you provide me with the verse and I will rightfully take back what I say. This topic is only for people that interpret Jinns from Quran to be NON BEINGS i.e EMOTIONS. You can interpret Quran however you want but I believe with experience you will be able to KNOW that they ARE BEINGS that live with HUMANS.
PEACE
-
this is pretty interesting .. i was always fascinated by the world of Jinns !!
this method would drain a lot out of the perso ... the person needs time n energy .. oh yeah .. the baths thing ? the person can get out of the room right to go to his bathroom ? -
I've read up on this stuff before and the procedure above I believe is to contact a powerfull King Jinn. There are other methods and products I believe where you can contact jinns without this 40 day ritual. I guess the reason its time consuming and takes energy is because you have to get your body in tune to the different astral level where jinns reside.
PEACE
-
Peace 2-Pac,
The ritual you've described here, I believe, is a strong example of the power of suggestion. The diet, the isolation, the darkness, the focus of thought, are all designed to fertilize the mind for an altered state of consciousness, and perhaps make the leap into the parallel. In the parallel, the power of the soul is displayed in it's ability to manifest what it desires. If you want to see a big scary "jinn", then that's what you'll see. One can do this same exercise and summon a dragon, or a pixie, or a unicorn.
The universe is a plasma of energy with no distinct beings. It is simply a pattern of frequency, shapeless and formless. The only real "existence" in the universe as we know it is thought.
The idea of fighting with a Jinn in the physical sense is hallucinogenic, as is their existence as a seperate entity.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace 2-Pac,
The ritual you've described here, I believe, is a strong example of the power of suggestion. The diet, the isolation, the darkness, the focus of thought, are all designed to fertilize the mind for an altered state of consciousness, and perhaps make the leap into the parallel. In the parallel, the power of the soul is displayed in it's ability to manifest what it desires.
I agree with the part you can manifest what you desire.
If you want to see a big scary "jinn", then that's what you'll see. One can do this same exercise and summon a dragon, or a pixie, or a unicorn.
In the above example you DONT want to see a big scary jinn but just want to make contact to the 'other side.'
The universe is a plasma of energy with no distinct beings. It is simply a pattern of frequency, shapeless and formless. The only real "existence" in the universe as we know it is thought.
The idea of fighting with a Jinn in the physical sense is hallucinogenic, as is their existence as a seperate entity.
Peace,
TayYou said the only real "existence" in the universe as we know it is thought. The keyword in that sentence is AS WE KNOW. There are many things that we do NOT KNOW of YET as science discovers many wonderous things. Maybe one day they will discover different entities on a different astral plane and then you will HAVE to change your beliefs
PEACE
-
Peace 2-Pac
In the above example you DONT want to see a big scary jinn but just want to make contact to the 'other side.'
The exercise you quoted repeatedly mentions how frightening and dangerous the journey is. This plants the seeds of fear, and hence, manifests a frightening outcome.
There are many things that we do NOT KNOW of YET as science discovers many wonderous things.
I agree. I also feel that science alone is extremely limited as a tool of understanding.
Maybe one day they will discover different entities on a different astral plane and then you will HAVE to change your beliefs
True indeed. But using this example of summoning a "jinn", please explain to me how a physical person can fight a non-physical being with a dagger.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace 2-Pac
The exercise you quoted repeatedly mentions how frightening and dangerous the journey is. This plants the seeds of fear, and hence, manifests a frightening outcome
This is someone elses journal of events. I guess everyone's experience will be different dependant on what type of jinn you end up summoning. Jut like there's different types of people there are different types of jinns.
True indeed. But using this example of summoning a "jinn", please explain to me how a physical person can fight a non-physical being with a dagger.
Peace,
TayLike I said this is some persons version of doing this and I've never heard of using a dagger before myself only using quranic verses. But I do agree myself a dagger will be useless but I think this person is experienced in doing this and possibly a dagger has been successful in frightening evil entities off for him and maybe with this ritual the Jinn is forced to expose himself into the physical realm and God knows best.
But there are different ways of contacting Jinns even without seeing them which does not involve long rituals like this but short rituals even possible in the normal daylight or semi light so its not about planting any seed of fright at all.
PEACE
-
Peace 2-Pac,
I guess everyone's experience will be different dependant on what type of jinn you end up summoning.
or what type of "jinn" you end up creating.
I do agree myself a dagger will be useless but I think this person is experienced in doing this and possibly a dagger has been successful in frightening evil entities off for him and maybe with this ritual the Jinn is forced to expose himself into the physical realm
No offense, 2-Pac, but it sounds like you're doing a lot of apologizing for this person you quoted. If one manifests a "jinn" in his altered state, and manifests the concept that a dagger will defeat the "jinn", then that will be the outcome.
One of my very good friends used to participate in lucid dreaming on a regular basis. He would re-create characters that used to haunt his dreams. He killed them one by one in his lucid state. But there was on character that just wouldn't die. It was a cross-breed of Freddie and Jason. This was the one character he was most afraid of as a child, and the one he was most fearful of facing. He ended up fighting this thing in his dream, and the moster jabbed him in the calf with his claws. When he woke up, he still had the pain in his calf. And the pain remained for a few months. No B.S.
The human spirit is far more capable then we are aware. We get glimpses now and then, and life is full of examples of this power. From phantom limbs to sponataneous healing, from superhuman strength to unexplainable intuition. There are many, many facets to the human consciousness.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace 2-Pac,
or what type of "jinn" you end up creating.
Summoning or creating it doesn't make a difference. It's just people have difficulties believing in stuff like this exists and whether our own consciousness brings these beings to life is debatable but I believe they can exist in another astral plane.
No offense, 2-Pac, but it sounds like you're doing a lot of apologizing for this person you quoted. If one manifests a "jinn" in his altered state, and manifests the concept that a dagger will defeat the "jinn", then that will be the outcome.
I'm not defending anyone just bringing ideas to the table so to speak.
The human spirit is far more capable then we are aware. We get glimpses now and then, and life is full of examples of this power. From phantom limbs to sponataneous healing, from superhuman strength to unexplainable intuition. There are many, many facets to the human consciousness.
Peace,
TayI know of lucid dreaming and out of body experience and astral projection etc. It's true you say that the human spirit is far more capable than we are aware. I just wanted to post this topic to show that Jinns can be summoned and whether its just our consciousness creating these or not is debatable but people learn/develop many skills with having contact to the other astral realm so in my opinion I doubt its our own wishful mind creating something we want to see that isn't there.
PEACE
-
Peace 2-Pac,
You stated
I just wanted to post this topic to show that Jinns can be summoned and whether its just our consciousness creating these or not is debatable
That's fair enough. I hope I haven't discouraged you. As always, debates such as these help to refine our understandings. I'm always open to new concepts so long as the concepts maintain a certain consistency with the universe.
Even the unexplainable can be placed in the proper context of the unknown, but some things just do not fit. For example, werewolves do not fit the context of the universe, but Bigfoot certainly does. Catch my drift?
people learn/develop many skills with having contact to the other astral realm so in my opinion I doubt its our own wishful mind creating something we want to see that isn't there.
But if we want to see it, then it is there. That's part of the magnificence of consciousness. If you close your eyes and think of the color blue, you're gonna see the color blue. Does that color blue exist when you see it or does it not exist?
Overall, one must ask, if jinn exist in a parallel dimension, what are they doing there? Do they have societies, families, etc.? Why is it that eating right and focusing, and performing a ritual can pull them out of their world and into ours, completely against their will? Is this not unfair? And where did the recipe for this incantation come from?
To me, jinn is one of the most confusing topics in the Qur'an. At certain points, it seems jinn are simply emotions. At other points, they are a race. They are made from fire, or have a fiery temperment. At the same time, some submit to God while others do not, and still some are caught in between.
Surah 72 depicts them as nomads. But check out 3440-41
3440 One Day He will gather them all together, and say to the angels, "Was it you that these men used to worship?"
3441 They will say, "Glory to Thee! our (tie) is with Thee - as Protector - not with them. Nay, but they worshipped the Jinns most of them believed in them."Does that make any sense to you? Do you know of anyone who worships invisible beings that we call "jinn"? I certainly don't. However, this was made out to be important enough to include in the Qur'an, which means masses of people will have worshipped the jinn.
Now look at how it is explained in QXP...
3441 They will answer, "Glory is Yours! You are our Master, not them. Nay, they used to worship the invisible guises of their selfish desire. Most of them were believers therein.? (Jinns = Hidden from sight. Generally this term in the Qur?an applies to nomads rarely appearing in townships. It is also used to describe rebellious desire, emotions and fiery temperament like Satan 6101, 1850, 37158, 5515).
That makes sense to me. Masses of people follow their desires with little or no regard for the consequences of these actions.
In ending, I'm still confused about the topic. But I don't believe that jinn are some sort of spiritual beings residing in another plane. It just doesn't make sense to me.
May peace be upon you,
Tay -
Peace 2-Pac,
That's fair enough. I hope I haven't discouraged you. As always, debates such as these help to refine our understandings. I'm always open to new concepts so long as the concepts maintain a certain consistency with the universe.
Not at all brother. I agree with debating we come to better understanding. Thats the whole reason of my post to see if any new concepts crop up and help me understand jinns better, whatever that term is.
Even the unexplainable can be placed in the proper context of the unknown, but some things just do not fit. For example, werewolves do not fit the context of the universe, but Bigfoot certainly does. Catch my drift?
Please could you elaborate on the werewolves and bigfoot concept. Im interested )
But if we want to see it, then it is there. That's part of the magnificence of consciousness. If you close your eyes and think of the color blue, you're gonna see the color blue. Does that color blue exist when you see it or does it not exist?
I completely agree. But we see things sometimes that we didnt ask to see. When we goto sleep our dreams are not controlled by us but I know what your going to say; lucid dreaming which I completely agree is true BUT not everyone can do that. I believe what we see in our non-physical realm DOES exist and is somewhat interconnected with our physical realm.
For example you said about your friend being attacked by a monster in his lucid dream and his injury was sustained even in the physical realm. Now whatever beings we see in our non-physical realm whether they have a conscious, like humans in this world is a BIG mystery to me and inshallah we will find out.
Does that make any sense to you? Do you know of anyone who worships invisible beings that we call "jinn"? I certainly don't. However, this was made out to be important enough to include in the Qur'an, which means masses of people will have worshipped the jinn.
If people can worship human beings like pop stars, money, children and ego as stated in the Quran then if people know of a non-physical beings then I'm sure the non-muslims will take them for being part of God and idolising them. That's my opinion anyway but the point of selfish desires could be possible as well. But if thats the case why would God say that He created Men & Jinn to worship me? ? All men have desires, why the need to differentiate between the two unless they were separate entities. Maybe someone who knows more Arabic can take a look at the word used for "Human" "Men" to find a clue or something. ?
PEACE
-
Peace 2-Pac,
You asked,
Please could you elaborate on the werewolves and bigfoot concept. Im interested
Sure. The concept of a werewolf, although pretty cool, just doesn't fit into the context of the physical world. A man who becomes a savage carnivore because of the position of astral bodies, and then shifts back when the alignment unsets, doesn't make sense anatomically. I do feel that metaphorically, the idea of a werewolf is on the money. Perhaps that's why the legend has remained so popular.
As for bigfoot, I'd say that there certainly exists the evolutionary possibility of such a creature, as well as the possibility of it existing among us even now. There are many new creatures discovered every year. Some animals we know exist, yet we hardly have any footage or record of their existence. Some animals, like the giant squid, we can only find when they're dead. Other animals, like the snow leopard, are so elusive and live in such harsh climates, that we can only amass bits and pieces of info about them.
Bigfoot, in some shape or form, has been mentioned in many different cultures across the globe. Unfortunately, we don't have a single bone or turd from the beast. But you never know.
I believe what we see in our non-physical realm DOES exist and is somewhat interconnected with our physical realm.
Absolutely, but I think the difference is that what we see is deeper layers of "us".
why would God say that He created Men & Jinn to worship me? All men have desires, why the need to differentiate between the two unless they were separate entities.
This is, indeed, the heart of the matter, and the most confusing part for me. Perhaps we need to dig a lttle deeper.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace
This sounds scary so whether it is haram or not, no way am I doing it! &
I believe that jinns are physical beings anyway as I have seen magic happen, including black magic.God bless
o Really? how did it happen?
-
Back in maldives, there are tons of sorcerers and black magicians...they get rid of jinns in possesed people in the atolls ;D
