**Try This If You Don't Believe Jinns Are Physical Beings**
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peace,
So for those who believe JNN to be other than separate distinct beings, you advise them to go against al quran's advice and practice superstition/magic?
No thanks.
Perhaps you can set up a camera and perform these acts yourself and present the evidence to us once done.
Good luck.
Wakas
Contacting Jinns I believe is not PROHIBITED in the Quran unless you provide me with the verse and I will rightfully take back what I say. This topic is only for people that interpret Jinns from Quran to be NON BEINGS i.e EMOTIONS. You can interpret Quran however you want but I believe with experience you will be able to KNOW that they ARE BEINGS that live with HUMANS.
PEACE
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this is pretty interesting .. i was always fascinated by the world of Jinns !!
this method would drain a lot out of the perso ... the person needs time n energy .. oh yeah .. the baths thing ? the person can get out of the room right to go to his bathroom ? -
I've read up on this stuff before and the procedure above I believe is to contact a powerfull King Jinn. There are other methods and products I believe where you can contact jinns without this 40 day ritual. I guess the reason its time consuming and takes energy is because you have to get your body in tune to the different astral level where jinns reside.
PEACE
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Peace 2-Pac,
The ritual you've described here, I believe, is a strong example of the power of suggestion. The diet, the isolation, the darkness, the focus of thought, are all designed to fertilize the mind for an altered state of consciousness, and perhaps make the leap into the parallel. In the parallel, the power of the soul is displayed in it's ability to manifest what it desires. If you want to see a big scary "jinn", then that's what you'll see. One can do this same exercise and summon a dragon, or a pixie, or a unicorn.
The universe is a plasma of energy with no distinct beings. It is simply a pattern of frequency, shapeless and formless. The only real "existence" in the universe as we know it is thought.
The idea of fighting with a Jinn in the physical sense is hallucinogenic, as is their existence as a seperate entity.
Peace,
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Peace 2-Pac,
The ritual you've described here, I believe, is a strong example of the power of suggestion. The diet, the isolation, the darkness, the focus of thought, are all designed to fertilize the mind for an altered state of consciousness, and perhaps make the leap into the parallel. In the parallel, the power of the soul is displayed in it's ability to manifest what it desires.
I agree with the part you can manifest what you desire.
If you want to see a big scary "jinn", then that's what you'll see. One can do this same exercise and summon a dragon, or a pixie, or a unicorn.
In the above example you DONT want to see a big scary jinn but just want to make contact to the 'other side.'
The universe is a plasma of energy with no distinct beings. It is simply a pattern of frequency, shapeless and formless. The only real "existence" in the universe as we know it is thought.
The idea of fighting with a Jinn in the physical sense is hallucinogenic, as is their existence as a seperate entity.
Peace,
TayYou said the only real "existence" in the universe as we know it is thought. The keyword in that sentence is AS WE KNOW. There are many things that we do NOT KNOW of YET as science discovers many wonderous things. Maybe one day they will discover different entities on a different astral plane and then you will HAVE to change your beliefs
PEACE
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Peace 2-Pac
In the above example you DONT want to see a big scary jinn but just want to make contact to the 'other side.'
The exercise you quoted repeatedly mentions how frightening and dangerous the journey is. This plants the seeds of fear, and hence, manifests a frightening outcome.
There are many things that we do NOT KNOW of YET as science discovers many wonderous things.
I agree. I also feel that science alone is extremely limited as a tool of understanding.
Maybe one day they will discover different entities on a different astral plane and then you will HAVE to change your beliefs
True indeed. But using this example of summoning a "jinn", please explain to me how a physical person can fight a non-physical being with a dagger.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace 2-Pac
The exercise you quoted repeatedly mentions how frightening and dangerous the journey is. This plants the seeds of fear, and hence, manifests a frightening outcome
This is someone elses journal of events. I guess everyone's experience will be different dependant on what type of jinn you end up summoning. Jut like there's different types of people there are different types of jinns.
True indeed. But using this example of summoning a "jinn", please explain to me how a physical person can fight a non-physical being with a dagger.
Peace,
TayLike I said this is some persons version of doing this and I've never heard of using a dagger before myself only using quranic verses. But I do agree myself a dagger will be useless but I think this person is experienced in doing this and possibly a dagger has been successful in frightening evil entities off for him and maybe with this ritual the Jinn is forced to expose himself into the physical realm and God knows best.
But there are different ways of contacting Jinns even without seeing them which does not involve long rituals like this but short rituals even possible in the normal daylight or semi light so its not about planting any seed of fright at all.
PEACE
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Peace 2-Pac,
I guess everyone's experience will be different dependant on what type of jinn you end up summoning.
or what type of "jinn" you end up creating.
I do agree myself a dagger will be useless but I think this person is experienced in doing this and possibly a dagger has been successful in frightening evil entities off for him and maybe with this ritual the Jinn is forced to expose himself into the physical realm
No offense, 2-Pac, but it sounds like you're doing a lot of apologizing for this person you quoted. If one manifests a "jinn" in his altered state, and manifests the concept that a dagger will defeat the "jinn", then that will be the outcome.
One of my very good friends used to participate in lucid dreaming on a regular basis. He would re-create characters that used to haunt his dreams. He killed them one by one in his lucid state. But there was on character that just wouldn't die. It was a cross-breed of Freddie and Jason. This was the one character he was most afraid of as a child, and the one he was most fearful of facing. He ended up fighting this thing in his dream, and the moster jabbed him in the calf with his claws. When he woke up, he still had the pain in his calf. And the pain remained for a few months. No B.S.
The human spirit is far more capable then we are aware. We get glimpses now and then, and life is full of examples of this power. From phantom limbs to sponataneous healing, from superhuman strength to unexplainable intuition. There are many, many facets to the human consciousness.
Peace,
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Peace 2-Pac,
or what type of "jinn" you end up creating.
Summoning or creating it doesn't make a difference. It's just people have difficulties believing in stuff like this exists and whether our own consciousness brings these beings to life is debatable but I believe they can exist in another astral plane.
No offense, 2-Pac, but it sounds like you're doing a lot of apologizing for this person you quoted. If one manifests a "jinn" in his altered state, and manifests the concept that a dagger will defeat the "jinn", then that will be the outcome.
I'm not defending anyone just bringing ideas to the table so to speak.
The human spirit is far more capable then we are aware. We get glimpses now and then, and life is full of examples of this power. From phantom limbs to sponataneous healing, from superhuman strength to unexplainable intuition. There are many, many facets to the human consciousness.
Peace,
TayI know of lucid dreaming and out of body experience and astral projection etc. It's true you say that the human spirit is far more capable than we are aware. I just wanted to post this topic to show that Jinns can be summoned and whether its just our consciousness creating these or not is debatable but people learn/develop many skills with having contact to the other astral realm so in my opinion I doubt its our own wishful mind creating something we want to see that isn't there.
PEACE
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Peace 2-Pac,
You stated
I just wanted to post this topic to show that Jinns can be summoned and whether its just our consciousness creating these or not is debatable
That's fair enough. I hope I haven't discouraged you. As always, debates such as these help to refine our understandings. I'm always open to new concepts so long as the concepts maintain a certain consistency with the universe.
Even the unexplainable can be placed in the proper context of the unknown, but some things just do not fit. For example, werewolves do not fit the context of the universe, but Bigfoot certainly does. Catch my drift?
people learn/develop many skills with having contact to the other astral realm so in my opinion I doubt its our own wishful mind creating something we want to see that isn't there.
But if we want to see it, then it is there. That's part of the magnificence of consciousness. If you close your eyes and think of the color blue, you're gonna see the color blue. Does that color blue exist when you see it or does it not exist?
Overall, one must ask, if jinn exist in a parallel dimension, what are they doing there? Do they have societies, families, etc.? Why is it that eating right and focusing, and performing a ritual can pull them out of their world and into ours, completely against their will? Is this not unfair? And where did the recipe for this incantation come from?
To me, jinn is one of the most confusing topics in the Qur'an. At certain points, it seems jinn are simply emotions. At other points, they are a race. They are made from fire, or have a fiery temperment. At the same time, some submit to God while others do not, and still some are caught in between.
Surah 72 depicts them as nomads. But check out 3440-41
3440 One Day He will gather them all together, and say to the angels, "Was it you that these men used to worship?"
3441 They will say, "Glory to Thee! our (tie) is with Thee - as Protector - not with them. Nay, but they worshipped the Jinns most of them believed in them."Does that make any sense to you? Do you know of anyone who worships invisible beings that we call "jinn"? I certainly don't. However, this was made out to be important enough to include in the Qur'an, which means masses of people will have worshipped the jinn.
Now look at how it is explained in QXP...
3441 They will answer, "Glory is Yours! You are our Master, not them. Nay, they used to worship the invisible guises of their selfish desire. Most of them were believers therein.? (Jinns = Hidden from sight. Generally this term in the Qur?an applies to nomads rarely appearing in townships. It is also used to describe rebellious desire, emotions and fiery temperament like Satan 6101, 1850, 37158, 5515).
That makes sense to me. Masses of people follow their desires with little or no regard for the consequences of these actions.
In ending, I'm still confused about the topic. But I don't believe that jinn are some sort of spiritual beings residing in another plane. It just doesn't make sense to me.
May peace be upon you,
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Peace 2-Pac,
That's fair enough. I hope I haven't discouraged you. As always, debates such as these help to refine our understandings. I'm always open to new concepts so long as the concepts maintain a certain consistency with the universe.
Not at all brother. I agree with debating we come to better understanding. Thats the whole reason of my post to see if any new concepts crop up and help me understand jinns better, whatever that term is.
Even the unexplainable can be placed in the proper context of the unknown, but some things just do not fit. For example, werewolves do not fit the context of the universe, but Bigfoot certainly does. Catch my drift?
Please could you elaborate on the werewolves and bigfoot concept. Im interested )
But if we want to see it, then it is there. That's part of the magnificence of consciousness. If you close your eyes and think of the color blue, you're gonna see the color blue. Does that color blue exist when you see it or does it not exist?
I completely agree. But we see things sometimes that we didnt ask to see. When we goto sleep our dreams are not controlled by us but I know what your going to say; lucid dreaming which I completely agree is true BUT not everyone can do that. I believe what we see in our non-physical realm DOES exist and is somewhat interconnected with our physical realm.
For example you said about your friend being attacked by a monster in his lucid dream and his injury was sustained even in the physical realm. Now whatever beings we see in our non-physical realm whether they have a conscious, like humans in this world is a BIG mystery to me and inshallah we will find out.
Does that make any sense to you? Do you know of anyone who worships invisible beings that we call "jinn"? I certainly don't. However, this was made out to be important enough to include in the Qur'an, which means masses of people will have worshipped the jinn.
If people can worship human beings like pop stars, money, children and ego as stated in the Quran then if people know of a non-physical beings then I'm sure the non-muslims will take them for being part of God and idolising them. That's my opinion anyway but the point of selfish desires could be possible as well. But if thats the case why would God say that He created Men & Jinn to worship me? ? All men have desires, why the need to differentiate between the two unless they were separate entities. Maybe someone who knows more Arabic can take a look at the word used for "Human" "Men" to find a clue or something. ?
PEACE
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Peace 2-Pac,
You asked,
Please could you elaborate on the werewolves and bigfoot concept. Im interested
Sure. The concept of a werewolf, although pretty cool, just doesn't fit into the context of the physical world. A man who becomes a savage carnivore because of the position of astral bodies, and then shifts back when the alignment unsets, doesn't make sense anatomically. I do feel that metaphorically, the idea of a werewolf is on the money. Perhaps that's why the legend has remained so popular.
As for bigfoot, I'd say that there certainly exists the evolutionary possibility of such a creature, as well as the possibility of it existing among us even now. There are many new creatures discovered every year. Some animals we know exist, yet we hardly have any footage or record of their existence. Some animals, like the giant squid, we can only find when they're dead. Other animals, like the snow leopard, are so elusive and live in such harsh climates, that we can only amass bits and pieces of info about them.
Bigfoot, in some shape or form, has been mentioned in many different cultures across the globe. Unfortunately, we don't have a single bone or turd from the beast. But you never know.
I believe what we see in our non-physical realm DOES exist and is somewhat interconnected with our physical realm.
Absolutely, but I think the difference is that what we see is deeper layers of "us".
why would God say that He created Men & Jinn to worship me? All men have desires, why the need to differentiate between the two unless they were separate entities.
This is, indeed, the heart of the matter, and the most confusing part for me. Perhaps we need to dig a lttle deeper.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace
This sounds scary so whether it is haram or not, no way am I doing it! &
I believe that jinns are physical beings anyway as I have seen magic happen, including black magic.God bless
o Really? how did it happen?
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Back in maldives, there are tons of sorcerers and black magicians...they get rid of jinns in possesed people in the atolls ;D
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Back in maldives, there are tons of sorcerers and black magicians...they get rid of jinns in possesed people in the atolls ;D
Peace
HAHA the funny thing is that they are paid to get people possessed then they are paid again to get the jinns or devils out
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why would you want to summon / communicate with potentially evil and malicious beings when one can pray to the Living God at any time?
loving God with all our heart and soul and might leaves not allowing ourselves to be fascinated or drawn away by anything other than Him. certainly not something evil or slippery that one has to go to elaborate means to "conjure".
that's witchcraft, and something God warns us about. why seek an audience with a jin when one can come into God's presence with only a word?