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I think I've left sunni Islam and I'm a Submitter now. But I have a Question 🙏

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    good_logic
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    Peace I nuni
    Are you brother Noon? If not, ignore.

    What have the Guardians of hell s number got to do with 7431?
    The number 19 is over the revelation -feminine also- This is what makes those that come across the numerical composition of Qoran different categories.
    For example you clearly deny as you are entitled to do. But numerical composition pf Qoran is a fact.
    Also, the first verse of the whole revelation is composed of 19 letters-( Not 11 or 17 or 29 ...)
    May be it is your task to oppose Keep going , I am not objecting.

    Why do you ignore some verses? like 4610 ,541-2...etc
    468
    When they say, "He fabricated this," say, "If I fabricated this, then you cannot protect me from God. He is fully aware of everything you scheme. He suffices as a witness between me and you. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful."
    أَم يَقولونَ افتَرىٰهُ قُل إِنِ افتَرَيتُهُ فَلا تَملِكونَ لى مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيـًٔا هُوَ أَعلَمُ بِما تُفيضونَ فيهِ كَفىٰ بِهِ شَهيدًا بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَهُوَ الغَفورُ الرَّحيمُ

    Similarly, and check this, previous scripture -Torah- was also numerically composed
    469
    Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner."
    قُل ما كُنتُ بِدعًا مِنَ الرُّسُلِ وَما أَدرى ما يُفعَلُ بى وَلا بِكُم إِن أَتَّبِعُ إِلّا ما يوحىٰ إِلَىَّ وَما أَنا۠ إِلّا نَذيرٌ مُبينٌ
    4610
    Say, "What if it is from God and you disbelieved in it? A witness from the Children of Israel has borne witness to a similar phenomenon,* and he has believed, while you have turned arrogant. Surely, God does not guide ...."
    قُل أَرَءَيتُم إِن كانَ مِن عِندِ اللَّهِ وَكَفَرتُم بِهِ وَشَهِدَ شاهِدٌ مِن بَنى إِسرٰءيلَ عَلىٰ مِثلِهِ فَـٔامَنَ وَاستَكبَرتُم إِنَّ اللَّهَ لا يَهدِى القَومَ الظّٰلِمينَ

    This is about Rabbi Judah the Pious.

    • This witness , Rabbi Judah the Pious (11th Century A.D.), who discovered the same 19-based mathematical code in intact fragments of the scripture(Torah)
      http//whoisourcreator.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/rabbi-judah-pious-witnesses.html
      4611
      Those who disbelieved said about those who believed, "If it were anything good, they would not have accepted it before us." Because they were not guided to it, they said, "This is an old fabrication!"
      وَقالَ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لِلَّذينَ ءامَنوا لَو كانَ خَيرًا ما سَبَقونا إِلَيهِ وَإِذ لَم يَهتَدوا بِهِ فَسَيَقولونَ هٰذا إِفكٌ قَديمٌ

    Brother, you are free to believe what you like.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace

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      l-nuni
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      Peace good logic

      7430-31 nineteen angels guarding hell
      Nor is it over revelation, you can’t read

      There are 29 words in the first chapter
      Likewise all verses 6236 letter counts
      ~1/11 * 6236 are multiple of 11
      ~1/19 * 6236 are multiple of 19
      ~1/29 * 6236 are multiple of 29

      468-11 has nothing to do with nineteen
      Torah has nothing to do with nineteen
      Rabbi Judah the Pious — don’t care

      Much prefer listening to Rabbi Tovia
      https//m.youtube.com/@ToviaSinger1

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        good_logic
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        Peace I nuni
        And context is ignored in 7431?.
        We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
        وَما جَعَلنا أَصحٰبَ النّارِ إِلّا مَلٰئِكَةً وَما جَعَلنا عِدَّتَهُم إِلّا فِتنَةً لِلَّذينَ كَفَروا لِيَستَيقِنَ الَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ وَيَزدادَ الَّذينَ ءامَنوا إيمٰنًا وَلا يَرتابَ الَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ وَالمُؤمِنونَ وَلِيَقولَ الَّذينَ فى قُلوبِهِم مَرَضٌ وَالكٰفِرونَ ماذا أَرادَ اللَّهُ بِهٰذا مَثَلًا كَذٰلِكَ يُضِلُّ اللَّهُ مَن يَشاءُ وَيَهدى مَن يَشاءُ وَما يَعلَمُ جُنودَ رَبِّكَ إِلّا هُوَ وَما هِىَ إِلّا ذِكرىٰ لِلبَشَرِ

        Is this not about "The reminder/message/ i.e Qoran revelation?

        So according to you, the group of 19 Angels /guardians of hell are strengthening your faith and convincing the Jews and Christians that Qoran is divine?

        And according to me, code/Mathematical composition/interlock of the Qoran is strengthening my faith and convincing some Jews and Christians that Qoran is divine.

        And I have no idea how these Angels are doing these to anyone,, but I can witness and see the number composition clearly doing these to various folks.
        So, to you your context and to me my context.
        GOD bless you brother .
        Peace.

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          Peace all.

          what is a messenger? No message = No messenger.
          Therefore messenger = message,. It is all about the message not the messenger.

          We can only choose what GOD s message Qoran, confirms. If we choose what is not confirmed by Qoran, then we disobey GOD.In that case, we have taken the messenger as authority.

          RK s message was GOD ALONE which means Qoran alone as the only source of redemption, not some words/opinions RK said that cannot be confirmed from Qoran.
          As a man RK had his own opinions as well like you and me and made mistakes like all humans do. He himself acknowledged this and insisted if Qoran does not say it ,do not follow it even if he said it.

          That is why each needs to check with Qoran. Obey GOD and obey the messenger does not mean obey the messenger and disobey GOD. It only means obey both if there is no contradiction or issue with Qoran/GOD S message. In that case one is obeying GOD and His message .
          Guidance is only from GOD and His message not from the messenger.
          It is about certainty of accountability and following the straight path in GOD s message. That is what all GOD s messengers have reminded about.
          GOD bless.
          Peace.

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            Emre_1974tr
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            #11

            1- Rashad is not an envoy.

            2- Verses 128 and 129 of Surat al-Tawbah are included in the 19 system/miracle.

            https//bookdown.org/gokmenaltay19/Quran19/

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              exion
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              I'm an ex-submitter, I no longer believe anything Rashad said. Wish I hadn't wasted my time frankly -\

              What are some of the reasons why you left? Just curious, appreciate if you shortly could explain

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                good_logic
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                Peace Emre.

                What does Qoran say ? That is what really matters.
                Are not many ignoring verses about GOD sending messengers according to the time and place to Beni Adam?

                My study of Qoran confirms he was a messenger in a different time

                We have sent messengers before you , and we made them husbands with wives and children. No messenger can produce a miracle without God's authorization, and in accordance with a specific, predetermined time.(1974 ONWARDS)
                وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا رُسُلًا مِن قَبلِكَ وَجَعَلنا لَهُم أَزوٰجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَما كانَ لِرَسولٍ أَن يَأتِىَ بِـٔايَةٍ إِلّا بِإِذنِ اللَّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتابٌ
                God erases whatever He wills, and fixes. With Him is the original Master Record.( FALSE TRADITIONAL Islam IS BEING ERASED SLOWLY BUT SURELY)
                يَمحُوا اللَّهُ ما يَشاءُ وَيُثبِتُ وَعِندَهُ أُمُّ الكِتٰبِ
                Whether we show you what we promise them, or terminate your life before that, your sole mission is to deliver (the message). It is us who will call them to account.( GOD KNEW THE FATE OF RK)
                وَإِن ما نُرِيَنَّكَ بَعضَ الَّذى نَعِدُهُم أَو نَتَوَفَّيَنَّكَ فَإِنَّما عَلَيكَ البَلٰغُ وَعَلَينَا الحِسابُ
                Do they not see that every day on earth, brings them closer to the end, and that God decides their life span, irrevocably? He is the most efficient Reckoner.
                أَوَلَم يَرَوا أَنّا نَأتِى الأَرضَ نَنقُصُها مِن أَطرافِها وَاللَّهُ يَحكُمُ لا مُعَقِّبَ لِحُكمِهِ وَهُوَ سَريعُ الحِسابِ
                Others before them have schemed, but to God belongs the ultimate scheming. He knows what everyone is doing. The disbelievers will find out who the ultimate winners are.
                وَقَد مَكَرَ الَّذينَ مِن قَبلِهِم فَلِلَّهِ المَكرُ جَميعًا يَعلَمُ ما تَكسِبُ كُلُّ نَفسٍ وَسَيَعلَمُ الكُفّٰرُ لِمَن عُقبَى الدّارِ
                Those who disbelieved will say, "You are not a messenger!" Say, "God suffices as a witness between me and you, and those who possess knowledge of the scripture."
                وَيَقولُ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لَستَ مُرسَلًا قُل كَفىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهيدًا بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَمَن عِندَهُ عِلمُ الكِتٰبِ

                Others will have to check for themselves.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  Peace Emre.

                  According to my study of the Quran, Rashad is not a messenger.

                  He was a man who had both great faults and extraordinarily good service.

                  Peace

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                    484
                    He the one descends the serenity in hearts those believers
                    liyazdādū/to increased they of imānāan/faith of with faith theirs
                    and to God soldiers (angels) the skies (celestial realms) and the land
                    and kāna/be (is) the God knower of wisdom of

                    peace good logic

                    what did it mean at the time of revelation?
                    what caused people to believe 1400 years?

                    likewise your translation 7430-31 is imprecise

                    7430 alayhā/over it (feminine hellfire) (are) nineteen (masculine)

                    7431

                    1. and not made we companions the fire (feminine) except angels (masculine)

                    2. and not made we tally theirs except trial for the ones kafarū/reject they of
                      -- liyastayqina/to they influence the ones given they the book (divine writ)

                    3. and yazdāda/they increase the ones believes they of imānāan/faith of
                      (notice difference in 484 liyazdādū/to increased they of imānāan/faith of)

                    4. and not they doubt the ones given they of the book and those believing

                    5. and to speaketh the ones in hearts theirs illness and the rejecting
                      -- what hath intends the God in this similitude of (19 guards?)

                    6. like such misguided the God whom willed of and guided whom willed of

                    7. and not knoweth soldiers (controllers/angels) lord your except he

                    8. and not it is except reminder to the mortal (hellfire/abyss awaits)

                    Essentially, the pagans and others expressed skepticism and mockery regarding the placement of nineteen guards over hellfire, aimed at influencing the believers. However, this strategy backfired, as it not only failed to weaken their faith but, in fact, bolstered it—in the past and continuing into the present.

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                      Peace I nuni

                      what did it mean at the time of revelation?
                      Well
                      What does this verse mean to you now?
                      يَومَ نَطوِى السَّماءَ كَطَىِّ السِّجِلِّ لِلكُتُبِ كَما بَدَأنا أَوَّلَ خَلقٍ نُعيدُهُ وَعدًا عَلَينا إِنّا كُنّا فٰعِلينَ
                      Qoran is for many generations till the end times." Likulli Ajalin Kitab"
                      The future belongs to GOD so wait ,we are all waiting. The specific determined time to unveil 19 has come to our generation now.

                      what caused people to believe 1400 years?
                      Again
                      What caused people before that to believe in Moses, or Jesus ?
                      This specific time requires more sophisticated Science and Mathematics advances. GOD is forever prepared for all generations.

                      But this is common to all the generations old and new
                      If they turn away, then say, "I have warned you sufficiently, and I have no idea how soon or late (the retribution) will come to you.
                      فَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَقُل ءاذَنتُكُم عَلىٰ سَواءٍ وَإِن أَدرى أَقَريبٌ أَم بَعيدٌ ما توعَدونَ
                      "He is fully aware of your public utterances, and He is fully aware of everything you conceal.
                      إِنَّهُ يَعلَمُ الجَهرَ مِنَ القَولِ وَيَعلَمُ ما تَكتُمونَ
                      "For all that I know, this world is a test for you, and a temporary enjoyment."
                      وَإِن أَدرى لَعَلَّهُ فِتنَةٌ لَكُم وَمَتٰعٌ إِلىٰ حينٍ
                      Say, "My Lord, Your judgment is the absolute justice. Our Lord is the Most Gracious; only His help is sought in the face of your claims."
                      قٰلَ رَبِّ احكُم بِالحَقِّ وَرَبُّنَا الرَّحمٰنُ المُستَعانُ عَلىٰ ما تَصِفونَ

                      Brother, if you believe you have GOD s message, just follow it and you have nothing to worry about.
                      GOD wants us to follow His message , if we do that with a sincere heart, we are following what all the prophets and messengers and believers have followed and what all future messengers and believers will follow.
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

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                        good_logic
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                        Brother Emre, let us both keep studying Qoran, Then apply GOD s message to our life.
                        That is the most important, useful and fruitful business
                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

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                          good_logic
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                          Peace All.

                          This common misunderstanding of "religion" has plagued all the generations.
                          There is no conversion to any religious sect. There is only GOD s religion of " Islam/submission to GOD Alone".
                          There is no need to join a sect called "submitters" or "sunnis" or ...any sect.

                          Submission is the religion of GOD. No conversion needed or joining some human groups needed.
                          Submission is to GOD Alone. All believers belong to one group, one congregation.
                          Every prophet and messenger came with this message.

                          In fact ,there is no other religion of GOD that requires intermediaries or partners.
                          One can believe by submitting to GOD and following His message direct.
                          .
                          One can socialise and study with fellow believers , that is another subject and matter that is separate , like helping one another and caring for one another.
                          GOD bless you all.
                          Peace.

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                            I left because I had enough of the narcissism, evasiveness and hypocrisy both of him and the Submitters. Their American-centeredness was also annoying. It felt like a cult, albeit one I couldn't really be part of being from Europe. They have replaced Mohammad hadith with Rashad hadith. I don't believe anymore that there is a 19 code in the Koran, I believe he cherry-picked data.

                            I also no longer believe that the present day Koran is the original revelation, I think the original was probably a lot smaller and a lot of nonsense has been added to it from Syriac Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Arab paganism; ergo a real messenger would give us the real Koran back not confirm a corrupted one.

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                              Peace All.

                              This common misunderstanding of "religion" has plagued all the generations.
                              There is no conversion to any religious sect. There is only GOD s religion of " Islam/submission to GOD Alone".

                              Yes this is probably it. bravo

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                                l-nuni
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                                According to my study of the Quran

                                In summary In verse 11, there is no spouse, while in verse 12, there is a spouse, verse 176 tells how to make a taksim when there are only brothers/sisters.

                                since the moderation here sucks! answer questions coward/spammer!

                                47 to the menfolk share from what left the parents and the nearest (relatives) being and for the womenfolk share from what left the parents and the nearest (relatives) being from what slight from it or large share of obligatory of

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                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters
                                mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                mother, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother
                                mother, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother
                                mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers
                                mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister
                                mother, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister
                                mother, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother

                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 2 sisters, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 2 sons, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 3+ sisters, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 sister
                                mother, father, 2 sons, 1 sister
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister
                                mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 sister
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 brothers
                                mother, father, 1 sister, 2 brothers
                                mother, father, 1 son, 2 brothers
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters
                                mother, father, 1 son, 2 sisters
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers
                                mother, father, 1 sister, 3+ brothers
                                mother, father, 1 son, 3+ brothers
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters
                                mother, father, 1 son, 3+ sisters
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons

                                1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers
                                1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters
                                1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers
                                1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother
                                1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister
                                1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers
                                1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother
                                1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister
                                1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter
                                1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers
                                1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers
                                1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother
                                1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother
                                2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother
                                2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother
                                2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother
                                2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother
                                2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister
                                2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother
                                3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister
                                3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother

                                father, 1 daughter, 1 brother
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 sister
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 brothers
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sons
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons
                                father, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                father, 1 sister, 2 brothers
                                father, 1 sister, 3+ brothers
                                father, 1 son, 1 brother
                                father, 1 son, 1 sister
                                father, 1 son, 2 brothers
                                father, 1 son, 2 sisters
                                father, 1 son, 3+ brothers
                                father, 1 son, 3+ sisters
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 brother
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 sister
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 son
                                father, 2 sisters, 1 brother
                                father, 2 sons, 1 brother
                                father, 2 sons, 1 sister
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 brother
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 son
                                father, 3+ sisters, 1 brother
                                father, 3+ sons, 1 brother
                                father, 3+ sons, 1 sister

                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 brother
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 brothers
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sisters
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons
                                mother, 1 sister, 1 brother
                                mother, 1 sister, 2 brothers
                                mother, 1 son, 1 brother
                                mother, 1 son, 1 sister
                                mother, 1 son, 2 brothers
                                mother, 1 son, 2 sisters
                                mother, 1 son, 3+ brothers
                                mother, 1 son, 3+ sisters
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 brother
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 sister
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 son
                                mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother
                                mother, 2 sons, 1 brother
                                mother, 2 sons, 1 sister
                                mother, 3+ brothers, 1 sister
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 brother
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 sister
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son
                                mother, 3+ sisters, 1 brother
                                mother, 3+ sons, 1 brother
                                mother, 3+ sons, 1 sister

                                mother, father, 1 brother
                                mother, father, 1 daughter
                                mother, father, 1 sister
                                mother, father, 1 son
                                mother, father, 2 brothers
                                mother, father, 2 daughters
                                mother, father, 2 sisters
                                mother, father, 2 sons
                                mother, father, 3+ brothers
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters
                                mother, father, 3+ sisters
                                mother, father, 3+ sons

                                1 daughter, 1 brother
                                1 daughter, 1 sister
                                1 daughter, 1 son
                                1 daughter, 2 brothers
                                1 daughter, 2 sisters
                                1 daughter, 2 sons
                                1 daughter, 3+ brothers
                                1 daughter, 3+ sisters
                                1 daughter, 3+ sons
                                1 sister, 1 brother
                                1 sister, 2 brothers
                                1 sister, 3+ brothers
                                1 son, 1 brother
                                1 son, 1 sister
                                1 son, 2 brothers
                                1 son, 2 sisters
                                1 son, 3+ brothers
                                1 son, 3+ sisters
                                2 daughters, 1 brother
                                2 daughters, 1 sister
                                2 daughters, 1 son
                                2 sisters, 1 brother
                                2 sons, 1 brother
                                2 sons, 1 sister
                                3+ daughters, 1 brother
                                3+ daughters, 1 sister
                                3+ daughters, 1 son
                                3+ sisters, 1 brother
                                3+ sons, 1 brother
                                3+ sons, 1 sister

                                father, 1 brother
                                father, 1 son
                                father, 2 brothers
                                father, 2 daughters
                                father, 2 sisters
                                father, 2 sons
                                father, 3+ brothers
                                father, 3+ daughters
                                father, 3+ sisters
                                father, 3+ sons

                                mother, 1 brother
                                mother, 1 daughter
                                mother, 1 sister
                                mother, 1 son
                                mother, 2 brothers
                                mother, 2 daughters
                                mother, 2 sisters
                                mother, 2 sons
                                mother, 3+ brothers
                                mother, 3+ daughters
                                mother, 3+ sisters
                                mother, 3+ sons
                                mother, father

                                continued...

                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife

                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                                1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                                father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                                father, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, wife
                                father, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, wife
                                mother, father, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, wife
                                mother, father, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife

                                1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                                1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                                1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                                1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, wife
                                1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                                father, 1 daughter, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, wife
                                father, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                father, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                                father, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                                father, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                                father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 son, wife
                                father, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, wife
                                father, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife

                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, wife
                                mother, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, wife
                                mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, wife
                                mother, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, wife
                                mother, father, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, father, 1 son, wife
                                mother, father, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, wife
                                mother, father, 2 sisters, wife
                                mother, father, 2 sons, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ sisters, wife
                                mother, father, 3+ sons, wife

                                1 daughter, 1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 sister, wife
                                1 daughter, 1 son, wife
                                1 daughter, 2 brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 2 sisters, wife
                                1 daughter, 2 sons, wife
                                1 daughter, 3+ brothers, wife
                                1 daughter, 3+ sisters, wife
                                1 daughter, 3+ sons, wife
                                1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                                1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                                1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                                1 son, 1 brother, wife
                                1 son, 1 sister, wife
                                1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                                1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                                1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                                1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                                2 daughters, 1 brother, wife
                                2 daughters, 1 sister, wife
                                2 daughters, 1 son, wife
                                2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                                2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                                3+ daughters, 1 brother, wife
                                3+ daughters, 1 sister, wife
                                3+ daughters, 1 son, wife
                                3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                                3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                                3+ sons, 1 sister, wife

                                father, 1 brother, wife
                                father, 1 daughter, wife
                                father, 1 sister, wife
                                father, 1 son, wife
                                father, 2 brothers, wife
                                father, 2 daughters, wife
                                father, 2 sisters, wife
                                father, 2 sons, wife
                                father, 3+ brothers, wife
                                father, 3+ daughters, wife
                                father, 3+ sisters, wife
                                father, 3+ sons, wife

                                mother, 1 brother, wife
                                mother, 1 daughter, wife
                                mother, 1 sister, wife
                                mother, 1 son, wife
                                mother, 2 brothers, wife
                                mother, 2 daughters, wife
                                mother, 2 sisters, wife
                                mother, 2 sons, wife
                                mother, 3+ brothers, wife
                                mother, 3+ daughters, wife
                                mother, 3+ sisters, wife
                                mother, 3+ sons, wife
                                mother, father, wife

                                1 brother, wife
                                1 daughter, wife
                                1 sister, wife
                                1 son, wife
                                2 brothers, wife
                                2 daughters, wife
                                2 sisters, wife
                                2 sons, wife
                                3+ brothers, wife
                                3+ daughters, wife
                                3+ sisters, wife
                                3+ sons, wife
                                father, wife
                                mother, wife

                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, husband
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, husband
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                                mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband

                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                                father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                                father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                                mother, father, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                                mother, father, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                                mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                                mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                                1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                                1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
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                                  good_logic
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                                  Peace Jane.
                                  Hope you are fine.
                                  Let me also put it another way. There is no one or nothing that can guide us or save us except the one who created us.

                                  GOD Alone idea does not require anyone to convert . GOD s religion has no other authority and is only overseen by GOD Alone.
                                  Submission/Islam to GOD " true Islam" is done directly between you and GOD Alone.
                                  Islam is a state of mind towards GOD the creator and has nothing to do with men s religions.

                                  GOD s call to all humanity
                                  When my servants ask about Me. I am near. I respond to the caller when they call Me. Let them respond to Me- My message- and believe in Me/believe Me that they may succeed- to redeem themselves-.

                                  GOD s religion has only ever been one universal religion for all humans. Total loyalty and submission to Him Alone. Following His system- Commands /instructions. It is us humans who divide into religions and sects.
                                  https//total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/?p=106
                                  GOD bless you sister.
                                  Peace.

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                                    I can't take it anymore. Sunnis are very dogmatic and they're destroying the religion of Allah! They will rather defend a fabricated Hadith within Sahih Bukhari than to defend the honor of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). I just can't see how that would be the truth. The entire world is laughing at them and accusing our prophet of pedophilia, all because of their rigidness and partisanship to some ancient Hadith scholars...

                                    The prominent thing about the "Religion Of Islam" is the accusation about the narcissistic nature of Muhammad.
                                    I'm talking about "The Shahada" wherein allegedly Muhammad asked everyone to testify that he is the messenger of God, repeated at least 5 times daily.

                                    And since the shahada is a requirement to be a member of religion of Islam and Muhammad is said to be also a member, he will too then fall into the same obligation. And how would Muhammad's own shahada sounds like?
                                    "I testify that I AM the messenger of God?"

                                    Imagine how weird for let say, Lionel Messi asking everyone to testify that he is a world class footballer.
                                    And 5 times a day he also state "I am a world class footballer".
                                    Looks like Messi had a huge insecurity and ego issue. #mentalIllness

                                    However, I am very afraid right now because I've watched some videos about the proofs for Rashad Khalifa's messengership

                                    Why are you afraid?

                                    Didn't God literally say that He only Reveals the secrets to his chosen messengers?

                                    No..
                                    The 'secret' of the universe can be known and revealed by anyone who seek and ask questions.
                                    Including you..

                                    Thus the reason why "Fear based Religion" (such as Islam, Judaism and Christianity) require anyone to "JUST OBEY AND BELIEVE" and never ever ask question. Those who dare to question the validity of their dogma and belief will be replied with a threat of punishment.

                                    Fear based Religion, as the name implied, is using fear to gain control and obedience of the masses.

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                                      Peace All.

                                      Should GOD s words be valued ? Or is there no such a thing as laws and message from the creator of our world?
                                      If one believes in the creator and His message, what should be the most logical thing to do?

                                      GOD has given us- those who follow GOD alone and His word Alone- and them- those who follow footsteps of others- the answer here;

                                      He decreed for you the same religion decreed for Noah, and what we inspired to you, and what we decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus "You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it." The idol worshipers will greatly resent what you invite them to do. God redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself only those who totally submit.
                                      شَرَعَ لَكُم مِنَ الدّينِ ما وَصّىٰ بِهِ نوحًا وَالَّذى أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ وَما وَصَّينا بِهِ إِبرٰهيمَ وَموسىٰ وَعيسىٰ أَن أَقيمُوا الدّينَ وَلا تَتَفَرَّقوا فيهِ كَبُرَ عَلَى المُشرِكينَ ما تَدعوهُم إِلَيهِ اللَّهُ يَجتَبى إِلَيهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَيَهدى إِلَيهِ مَن يُنيبُ

                                      Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.
                                      وَما تَفَرَّقوا إِلّا مِن بَعدِ ما جاءَهُمُ العِلمُ بَغيًا بَينَهُم وَلَولا كَلِمَةٌ سَبَقَت مِن رَبِّكَ إِلىٰ أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى لَقُضِىَ بَينَهُم وَإِنَّ الَّذينَ أورِثُوا الكِتٰبَ مِن بَعدِهِم لَفى شَكٍّ مِنهُ مُريبٍ

                                      Message to ALL THOSE WHO WANT MEN S WORDS FOR THEIR RELIGION

                                      This is what you shall preach,- GOD s words/message- and steadfastly maintain what you are commanded to do, and do not follow their wishes. And proclaim "I believe in all the scriptures sent down by God. I was commanded to judge among you equitably - with GOD s scripture/words-. God is our Lord and your Lord. We have our deeds and you have your deeds. There is no argument between us and you. God will gather us all together; to Him is the ultimate destiny."
                                      فَلِذٰلِكَ فَادعُ وَاستَقِم كَما أُمِرتَ وَلا تَتَّبِع أَهواءَهُم وَقُل ءامَنتُ بِما أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ مِن كِتٰبٍ وَأُمِرتُ لِأَعدِلَ بَينَكُمُ اللَّهُ رَبُّنا وَرَبُّكُم لَنا أَعمٰلُنا وَلَكُم أَعمٰلُكُم لا حُجَّةَ بَينَنا وَبَينَكُمُ اللَّهُ يَجمَعُ بَينَنا وَإِلَيهِ المَصيرُ

                                      Define a scripture from GOD? Is it not GOD s words/instructions and commands? How can we possibly argue to follow men s words/laws/instructions?

                                      Those who argue about God, after receiving His message, their argument is nullified at their Lord. They have incurred condemnation, and have deserved a severe retribution.
                                      وَالَّذينَ يُحاجّونَ فِى اللَّهِ مِن بَعدِ مَا استُجيبَ لَهُ حُجَّتُهُم داحِضَةٌ عِندَ رَبِّهِم وَعَلَيهِم غَضَبٌ وَلَهُم عَذابٌ شَديدٌ

                                      God is the One who sent down the scripture, to deliver the truth and the law. For all that you know, the Hour (Day of Judgment) may be very close.
                                      اللَّهُ الَّذى أَنزَلَ الكِتٰبَ بِالحَقِّ وَالميزانَ وَما يُدريكَ لَعَلَّ السّاعَةَ قَريبٌ

                                      Definition of scripture = GOD s words/message from GOD Alone not others.
                                      Or do they have others who deliver to us the truth and make for us the law?
                                      All arguments to this nonsense is nullified at GOD.
                                      The religion of GOD has only GOD as authority and only His words to be followed.
                                      GOD bless you all.
                                      Peace.

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                                        Euphoric
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                                        I am very afraid right now because I've watched some videos about the proofs for Rashad Khalifa's messengership (i.e. that he was a messenger of God) and the evidences they enumerated were kinda convincing tbh. His name appears in 2 places in the Qur'an and in the exact middle of these two verses, Allah placed this verse

                                        Salaam exion,

                                        Rashad was a false messenger who did not fit into the Qur'anic definition of a messenger
                                        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611815.msg438046#msg438046

                                        19 miracle is stupid and was disproven by an Arabic linguist
                                        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612464.msg442443#msg442443

                                        Rashad's race, character and teachings violated the Qur'anic definition of a messenger.

                                        Please focus on the Qur'an instead of blind following people. Learn Arabic and read the Qur'an in Arabic, it'll be much easier to not be fooled by conmen.

                                        Wish you well,

                                        Salaam

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                                          Jane
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                                          The prominent thing about the "Religion Of Islam" is the accusation about the narcissistic nature of Muhammad.
                                          I'm talking about "The Shahada" wherein allegedly Muhammad asked everyone to testify that he is the messenger of God, repeated at least 5 times daily.

                                          And since the shahada is a requirement to be a member of religion of Islam and Muhammad is said to be also a member, he will too then fall into the same obligation. And how would Muhammad's own shahada sounds like?
                                          "I testify that I AM the messenger of God?"

                                          LOL. Seriously though good point. bravo

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