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I think I've left sunni Islam and I'm a Submitter now. But I have a Question 🙏

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  • G Offline
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    good_logic
    wrote on last edited by
    #10

    Peace all.

    what is a messenger? No message = No messenger.
    Therefore messenger = message,. It is all about the message not the messenger.

    We can only choose what GOD s message Qoran, confirms. If we choose what is not confirmed by Qoran, then we disobey GOD.In that case, we have taken the messenger as authority.

    RK s message was GOD ALONE which means Qoran alone as the only source of redemption, not some words/opinions RK said that cannot be confirmed from Qoran.
    As a man RK had his own opinions as well like you and me and made mistakes like all humans do. He himself acknowledged this and insisted if Qoran does not say it ,do not follow it even if he said it.

    That is why each needs to check with Qoran. Obey GOD and obey the messenger does not mean obey the messenger and disobey GOD. It only means obey both if there is no contradiction or issue with Qoran/GOD S message. In that case one is obeying GOD and His message .
    Guidance is only from GOD and His message not from the messenger.
    It is about certainty of accountability and following the straight path in GOD s message. That is what all GOD s messengers have reminded about.
    GOD bless.
    Peace.

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      Emre_1974tr
      wrote on last edited by
      #11

      1- Rashad is not an envoy.

      2- Verses 128 and 129 of Surat al-Tawbah are included in the 19 system/miracle.

      https//bookdown.org/gokmenaltay19/Quran19/

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        exion
        wrote on last edited by
        #12

        I'm an ex-submitter, I no longer believe anything Rashad said. Wish I hadn't wasted my time frankly -\

        What are some of the reasons why you left? Just curious, appreciate if you shortly could explain

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          good_logic
          wrote on last edited by
          #13

          Peace Emre.

          What does Qoran say ? That is what really matters.
          Are not many ignoring verses about GOD sending messengers according to the time and place to Beni Adam?

          My study of Qoran confirms he was a messenger in a different time

          We have sent messengers before you , and we made them husbands with wives and children. No messenger can produce a miracle without God's authorization, and in accordance with a specific, predetermined time.(1974 ONWARDS)
          وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا رُسُلًا مِن قَبلِكَ وَجَعَلنا لَهُم أَزوٰجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَما كانَ لِرَسولٍ أَن يَأتِىَ بِـٔايَةٍ إِلّا بِإِذنِ اللَّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتابٌ
          God erases whatever He wills, and fixes. With Him is the original Master Record.( FALSE TRADITIONAL Islam IS BEING ERASED SLOWLY BUT SURELY)
          يَمحُوا اللَّهُ ما يَشاءُ وَيُثبِتُ وَعِندَهُ أُمُّ الكِتٰبِ
          Whether we show you what we promise them, or terminate your life before that, your sole mission is to deliver (the message). It is us who will call them to account.( GOD KNEW THE FATE OF RK)
          وَإِن ما نُرِيَنَّكَ بَعضَ الَّذى نَعِدُهُم أَو نَتَوَفَّيَنَّكَ فَإِنَّما عَلَيكَ البَلٰغُ وَعَلَينَا الحِسابُ
          Do they not see that every day on earth, brings them closer to the end, and that God decides their life span, irrevocably? He is the most efficient Reckoner.
          أَوَلَم يَرَوا أَنّا نَأتِى الأَرضَ نَنقُصُها مِن أَطرافِها وَاللَّهُ يَحكُمُ لا مُعَقِّبَ لِحُكمِهِ وَهُوَ سَريعُ الحِسابِ
          Others before them have schemed, but to God belongs the ultimate scheming. He knows what everyone is doing. The disbelievers will find out who the ultimate winners are.
          وَقَد مَكَرَ الَّذينَ مِن قَبلِهِم فَلِلَّهِ المَكرُ جَميعًا يَعلَمُ ما تَكسِبُ كُلُّ نَفسٍ وَسَيَعلَمُ الكُفّٰرُ لِمَن عُقبَى الدّارِ
          Those who disbelieved will say, "You are not a messenger!" Say, "God suffices as a witness between me and you, and those who possess knowledge of the scripture."
          وَيَقولُ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لَستَ مُرسَلًا قُل كَفىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهيدًا بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَمَن عِندَهُ عِلمُ الكِتٰبِ

          Others will have to check for themselves.
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

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            Emre_1974tr
            wrote on last edited by
            #14

            Peace Emre.

            According to my study of the Quran, Rashad is not a messenger.

            He was a man who had both great faults and extraordinarily good service.

            Peace

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              l-nuni
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              #15

              484
              He the one descends the serenity in hearts those believers
              liyazdādū/to increased they of imānāan/faith of with faith theirs
              and to God soldiers (angels) the skies (celestial realms) and the land
              and kāna/be (is) the God knower of wisdom of

              peace good logic

              what did it mean at the time of revelation?
              what caused people to believe 1400 years?

              likewise your translation 7430-31 is imprecise

              7430 alayhā/over it (feminine hellfire) (are) nineteen (masculine)

              7431

              1. and not made we companions the fire (feminine) except angels (masculine)

              2. and not made we tally theirs except trial for the ones kafarū/reject they of
                -- liyastayqina/to they influence the ones given they the book (divine writ)

              3. and yazdāda/they increase the ones believes they of imānāan/faith of
                (notice difference in 484 liyazdādū/to increased they of imānāan/faith of)

              4. and not they doubt the ones given they of the book and those believing

              5. and to speaketh the ones in hearts theirs illness and the rejecting
                -- what hath intends the God in this similitude of (19 guards?)

              6. like such misguided the God whom willed of and guided whom willed of

              7. and not knoweth soldiers (controllers/angels) lord your except he

              8. and not it is except reminder to the mortal (hellfire/abyss awaits)

              Essentially, the pagans and others expressed skepticism and mockery regarding the placement of nineteen guards over hellfire, aimed at influencing the believers. However, this strategy backfired, as it not only failed to weaken their faith but, in fact, bolstered it—in the past and continuing into the present.

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                good_logic
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                #16

                Peace I nuni

                what did it mean at the time of revelation?
                Well
                What does this verse mean to you now?
                يَومَ نَطوِى السَّماءَ كَطَىِّ السِّجِلِّ لِلكُتُبِ كَما بَدَأنا أَوَّلَ خَلقٍ نُعيدُهُ وَعدًا عَلَينا إِنّا كُنّا فٰعِلينَ
                Qoran is for many generations till the end times." Likulli Ajalin Kitab"
                The future belongs to GOD so wait ,we are all waiting. The specific determined time to unveil 19 has come to our generation now.

                what caused people to believe 1400 years?
                Again
                What caused people before that to believe in Moses, or Jesus ?
                This specific time requires more sophisticated Science and Mathematics advances. GOD is forever prepared for all generations.

                But this is common to all the generations old and new
                If they turn away, then say, "I have warned you sufficiently, and I have no idea how soon or late (the retribution) will come to you.
                فَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَقُل ءاذَنتُكُم عَلىٰ سَواءٍ وَإِن أَدرى أَقَريبٌ أَم بَعيدٌ ما توعَدونَ
                "He is fully aware of your public utterances, and He is fully aware of everything you conceal.
                إِنَّهُ يَعلَمُ الجَهرَ مِنَ القَولِ وَيَعلَمُ ما تَكتُمونَ
                "For all that I know, this world is a test for you, and a temporary enjoyment."
                وَإِن أَدرى لَعَلَّهُ فِتنَةٌ لَكُم وَمَتٰعٌ إِلىٰ حينٍ
                Say, "My Lord, Your judgment is the absolute justice. Our Lord is the Most Gracious; only His help is sought in the face of your claims."
                قٰلَ رَبِّ احكُم بِالحَقِّ وَرَبُّنَا الرَّحمٰنُ المُستَعانُ عَلىٰ ما تَصِفونَ

                Brother, if you believe you have GOD s message, just follow it and you have nothing to worry about.
                GOD wants us to follow His message , if we do that with a sincere heart, we are following what all the prophets and messengers and believers have followed and what all future messengers and believers will follow.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  good_logic
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #17

                  Brother Emre, let us both keep studying Qoran, Then apply GOD s message to our life.
                  That is the most important, useful and fruitful business
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

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                    good_logic
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                    #18

                    Peace All.

                    This common misunderstanding of "religion" has plagued all the generations.
                    There is no conversion to any religious sect. There is only GOD s religion of " Islam/submission to GOD Alone".
                    There is no need to join a sect called "submitters" or "sunnis" or ...any sect.

                    Submission is the religion of GOD. No conversion needed or joining some human groups needed.
                    Submission is to GOD Alone. All believers belong to one group, one congregation.
                    Every prophet and messenger came with this message.

                    In fact ,there is no other religion of GOD that requires intermediaries or partners.
                    One can believe by submitting to GOD and following His message direct.
                    .
                    One can socialise and study with fellow believers , that is another subject and matter that is separate , like helping one another and caring for one another.
                    GOD bless you all.
                    Peace.

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                      Jane
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                      #19

                      I left because I had enough of the narcissism, evasiveness and hypocrisy both of him and the Submitters. Their American-centeredness was also annoying. It felt like a cult, albeit one I couldn't really be part of being from Europe. They have replaced Mohammad hadith with Rashad hadith. I don't believe anymore that there is a 19 code in the Koran, I believe he cherry-picked data.

                      I also no longer believe that the present day Koran is the original revelation, I think the original was probably a lot smaller and a lot of nonsense has been added to it from Syriac Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Arab paganism; ergo a real messenger would give us the real Koran back not confirm a corrupted one.

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                        Jane
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #20

                        Peace All.

                        This common misunderstanding of "religion" has plagued all the generations.
                        There is no conversion to any religious sect. There is only GOD s religion of " Islam/submission to GOD Alone".

                        Yes this is probably it. bravo

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                          l-nuni
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                          #21

                          According to my study of the Quran

                          In summary In verse 11, there is no spouse, while in verse 12, there is a spouse, verse 176 tells how to make a taksim when there are only brothers/sisters.

                          since the moderation here sucks! answer questions coward/spammer!

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                          father, 3+ sisters
                          father, 3+ sons

                          mother, 1 brother
                          mother, 1 daughter
                          mother, 1 sister
                          mother, 1 son
                          mother, 2 brothers
                          mother, 2 daughters
                          mother, 2 sisters
                          mother, 2 sons
                          mother, 3+ brothers
                          mother, 3+ daughters
                          mother, 3+ sisters
                          mother, 3+ sons
                          mother, father

                          continued...

                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife

                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                          1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                          father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                          father, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, wife
                          father, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, wife
                          mother, father, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, wife
                          mother, father, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife

                          1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                          1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                          1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                          1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, wife
                          1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife

                          father, 1 daughter, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, wife
                          father, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          father, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                          father, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                          father, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                          father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 son, wife
                          father, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, wife
                          father, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife

                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, wife
                          mother, 1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, 1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, wife
                          mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, wife
                          mother, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 3+ sons, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, wife
                          mother, father, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, father, 1 son, wife
                          mother, father, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, wife
                          mother, father, 2 sisters, wife
                          mother, father, 2 sons, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ sisters, wife
                          mother, father, 3+ sons, wife

                          1 daughter, 1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 sister, wife
                          1 daughter, 1 son, wife
                          1 daughter, 2 brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 2 sisters, wife
                          1 daughter, 2 sons, wife
                          1 daughter, 3+ brothers, wife
                          1 daughter, 3+ sisters, wife
                          1 daughter, 3+ sons, wife
                          1 sister, 1 brother, wife
                          1 sister, 2 brothers, wife
                          1 sister, 3+ brothers, wife
                          1 son, 1 brother, wife
                          1 son, 1 sister, wife
                          1 son, 2 brothers, wife
                          1 son, 2 sisters, wife
                          1 son, 3+ brothers, wife
                          1 son, 3+ sisters, wife
                          2 daughters, 1 brother, wife
                          2 daughters, 1 sister, wife
                          2 daughters, 1 son, wife
                          2 sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          2 sons, 1 brother, wife
                          2 sons, 1 sister, wife
                          3+ daughters, 1 brother, wife
                          3+ daughters, 1 sister, wife
                          3+ daughters, 1 son, wife
                          3+ sisters, 1 brother, wife
                          3+ sons, 1 brother, wife
                          3+ sons, 1 sister, wife

                          father, 1 brother, wife
                          father, 1 daughter, wife
                          father, 1 sister, wife
                          father, 1 son, wife
                          father, 2 brothers, wife
                          father, 2 daughters, wife
                          father, 2 sisters, wife
                          father, 2 sons, wife
                          father, 3+ brothers, wife
                          father, 3+ daughters, wife
                          father, 3+ sisters, wife
                          father, 3+ sons, wife

                          mother, 1 brother, wife
                          mother, 1 daughter, wife
                          mother, 1 sister, wife
                          mother, 1 son, wife
                          mother, 2 brothers, wife
                          mother, 2 daughters, wife
                          mother, 2 sisters, wife
                          mother, 2 sons, wife
                          mother, 3+ brothers, wife
                          mother, 3+ daughters, wife
                          mother, 3+ sisters, wife
                          mother, 3+ sons, wife
                          mother, father, wife

                          1 brother, wife
                          1 daughter, wife
                          1 sister, wife
                          1 son, wife
                          2 brothers, wife
                          2 daughters, wife
                          2 sisters, wife
                          2 sons, wife
                          3+ brothers, wife
                          3+ daughters, wife
                          3+ sisters, wife
                          3+ sons, wife
                          father, wife
                          mother, wife

                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband

                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                          mother, father, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                          1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                          father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, husband
                          father, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          father, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, 1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, husband
                          mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, 1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, 2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, 3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, 3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 1 son, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, husband
                          mother, father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, husband
                          mother, father, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 2 brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 2 sisters, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 3+ brothers, husband
                          mother, father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, husband
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 2 daughters, 1 son, husband
                          mother, father, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 2 sons, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 2 sons, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 brother, husband
                          mother, father, 3+ sons, 1 sister, husband

                          1 daughter, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 2 brothers, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 2 sisters, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ brothers, husband
                          1 daughter, 1 son, 3+ sisters, husband
                          1 daughter, 2 sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                          1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 brother, husband
                          1 daughter, 2 sons, 1 sister, husband
                          1 daughter, 3+ sisters, 1 brothers, husband
                          1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 brother, husband
                          1 daughter, 3+ sons, 1 sister, husband
                          1 son, 1 brother, 1 daughter, husband
                          1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          1 son, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          1 son, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          1 son, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          1 son, 3+ sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          2 daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          2 daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          2 daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          2 sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          3+ daughters, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          3+ daughters, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          3+ sons, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband

                          father, 1 daughter, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 1 son, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sisters, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 2 sons, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ brothers, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sisters, husband
                          father, 1 daughter, 3+ sons, husband
                          father, 1 sister, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 sister, 2 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 sister, 3+ brothers, husband
                          father, 1 son, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 1 son, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 1 son, 2 brothers, husband
                          father, 1 son, 2 sisters, husband
                          father, 1 son, 3+ brothers, husband
                          father, 1 son, 3+ sisters, husband
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 2 daughters, 1 son, husband
                          father, 2 sisters, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 2 sons, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 2 sons, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 brother, husband
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 sister, husband
                          father, 3+ daughters, 1 son, husband
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                            good_logic
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                            Peace Jane.
                            Hope you are fine.
                            Let me also put it another way. There is no one or nothing that can guide us or save us except the one who created us.

                            GOD Alone idea does not require anyone to convert . GOD s religion has no other authority and is only overseen by GOD Alone.
                            Submission/Islam to GOD " true Islam" is done directly between you and GOD Alone.
                            Islam is a state of mind towards GOD the creator and has nothing to do with men s religions.

                            GOD s call to all humanity
                            When my servants ask about Me. I am near. I respond to the caller when they call Me. Let them respond to Me- My message- and believe in Me/believe Me that they may succeed- to redeem themselves-.

                            GOD s religion has only ever been one universal religion for all humans. Total loyalty and submission to Him Alone. Following His system- Commands /instructions. It is us humans who divide into religions and sects.
                            https//total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/?p=106
                            GOD bless you sister.
                            Peace.

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                              I can't take it anymore. Sunnis are very dogmatic and they're destroying the religion of Allah! They will rather defend a fabricated Hadith within Sahih Bukhari than to defend the honor of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). I just can't see how that would be the truth. The entire world is laughing at them and accusing our prophet of pedophilia, all because of their rigidness and partisanship to some ancient Hadith scholars...

                              The prominent thing about the "Religion Of Islam" is the accusation about the narcissistic nature of Muhammad.
                              I'm talking about "The Shahada" wherein allegedly Muhammad asked everyone to testify that he is the messenger of God, repeated at least 5 times daily.

                              And since the shahada is a requirement to be a member of religion of Islam and Muhammad is said to be also a member, he will too then fall into the same obligation. And how would Muhammad's own shahada sounds like?
                              "I testify that I AM the messenger of God?"

                              Imagine how weird for let say, Lionel Messi asking everyone to testify that he is a world class footballer.
                              And 5 times a day he also state "I am a world class footballer".
                              Looks like Messi had a huge insecurity and ego issue. #mentalIllness

                              However, I am very afraid right now because I've watched some videos about the proofs for Rashad Khalifa's messengership

                              Why are you afraid?

                              Didn't God literally say that He only Reveals the secrets to his chosen messengers?

                              No..
                              The 'secret' of the universe can be known and revealed by anyone who seek and ask questions.
                              Including you..

                              Thus the reason why "Fear based Religion" (such as Islam, Judaism and Christianity) require anyone to "JUST OBEY AND BELIEVE" and never ever ask question. Those who dare to question the validity of their dogma and belief will be replied with a threat of punishment.

                              Fear based Religion, as the name implied, is using fear to gain control and obedience of the masses.

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                                Peace All.

                                Should GOD s words be valued ? Or is there no such a thing as laws and message from the creator of our world?
                                If one believes in the creator and His message, what should be the most logical thing to do?

                                GOD has given us- those who follow GOD alone and His word Alone- and them- those who follow footsteps of others- the answer here;

                                He decreed for you the same religion decreed for Noah, and what we inspired to you, and what we decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus "You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it." The idol worshipers will greatly resent what you invite them to do. God redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself only those who totally submit.
                                شَرَعَ لَكُم مِنَ الدّينِ ما وَصّىٰ بِهِ نوحًا وَالَّذى أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ وَما وَصَّينا بِهِ إِبرٰهيمَ وَموسىٰ وَعيسىٰ أَن أَقيمُوا الدّينَ وَلا تَتَفَرَّقوا فيهِ كَبُرَ عَلَى المُشرِكينَ ما تَدعوهُم إِلَيهِ اللَّهُ يَجتَبى إِلَيهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَيَهدى إِلَيهِ مَن يُنيبُ

                                Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.
                                وَما تَفَرَّقوا إِلّا مِن بَعدِ ما جاءَهُمُ العِلمُ بَغيًا بَينَهُم وَلَولا كَلِمَةٌ سَبَقَت مِن رَبِّكَ إِلىٰ أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى لَقُضِىَ بَينَهُم وَإِنَّ الَّذينَ أورِثُوا الكِتٰبَ مِن بَعدِهِم لَفى شَكٍّ مِنهُ مُريبٍ

                                Message to ALL THOSE WHO WANT MEN S WORDS FOR THEIR RELIGION

                                This is what you shall preach,- GOD s words/message- and steadfastly maintain what you are commanded to do, and do not follow their wishes. And proclaim "I believe in all the scriptures sent down by God. I was commanded to judge among you equitably - with GOD s scripture/words-. God is our Lord and your Lord. We have our deeds and you have your deeds. There is no argument between us and you. God will gather us all together; to Him is the ultimate destiny."
                                فَلِذٰلِكَ فَادعُ وَاستَقِم كَما أُمِرتَ وَلا تَتَّبِع أَهواءَهُم وَقُل ءامَنتُ بِما أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ مِن كِتٰبٍ وَأُمِرتُ لِأَعدِلَ بَينَكُمُ اللَّهُ رَبُّنا وَرَبُّكُم لَنا أَعمٰلُنا وَلَكُم أَعمٰلُكُم لا حُجَّةَ بَينَنا وَبَينَكُمُ اللَّهُ يَجمَعُ بَينَنا وَإِلَيهِ المَصيرُ

                                Define a scripture from GOD? Is it not GOD s words/instructions and commands? How can we possibly argue to follow men s words/laws/instructions?

                                Those who argue about God, after receiving His message, their argument is nullified at their Lord. They have incurred condemnation, and have deserved a severe retribution.
                                وَالَّذينَ يُحاجّونَ فِى اللَّهِ مِن بَعدِ مَا استُجيبَ لَهُ حُجَّتُهُم داحِضَةٌ عِندَ رَبِّهِم وَعَلَيهِم غَضَبٌ وَلَهُم عَذابٌ شَديدٌ

                                God is the One who sent down the scripture, to deliver the truth and the law. For all that you know, the Hour (Day of Judgment) may be very close.
                                اللَّهُ الَّذى أَنزَلَ الكِتٰبَ بِالحَقِّ وَالميزانَ وَما يُدريكَ لَعَلَّ السّاعَةَ قَريبٌ

                                Definition of scripture = GOD s words/message from GOD Alone not others.
                                Or do they have others who deliver to us the truth and make for us the law?
                                All arguments to this nonsense is nullified at GOD.
                                The religion of GOD has only GOD as authority and only His words to be followed.
                                GOD bless you all.
                                Peace.

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                                  I am very afraid right now because I've watched some videos about the proofs for Rashad Khalifa's messengership (i.e. that he was a messenger of God) and the evidences they enumerated were kinda convincing tbh. His name appears in 2 places in the Qur'an and in the exact middle of these two verses, Allah placed this verse

                                  Salaam exion,

                                  Rashad was a false messenger who did not fit into the Qur'anic definition of a messenger
                                  https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611815.msg438046#msg438046

                                  19 miracle is stupid and was disproven by an Arabic linguist
                                  https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612464.msg442443#msg442443

                                  Rashad's race, character and teachings violated the Qur'anic definition of a messenger.

                                  Please focus on the Qur'an instead of blind following people. Learn Arabic and read the Qur'an in Arabic, it'll be much easier to not be fooled by conmen.

                                  Wish you well,

                                  Salaam

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                                    The prominent thing about the "Religion Of Islam" is the accusation about the narcissistic nature of Muhammad.
                                    I'm talking about "The Shahada" wherein allegedly Muhammad asked everyone to testify that he is the messenger of God, repeated at least 5 times daily.

                                    And since the shahada is a requirement to be a member of religion of Islam and Muhammad is said to be also a member, he will too then fall into the same obligation. And how would Muhammad's own shahada sounds like?
                                    "I testify that I AM the messenger of God?"

                                    LOL. Seriously though good point. bravo

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                                      Peace All.

                                      GOD created the human and made him a "Khalifa" on earth. This human is every individual living on earth the predetermined time that GOD has assigned for each.
                                      GOD offered the "Amana"- responsibility to choose freely and live peacefully with other humans to all.. GOD has not assigned any human above the other. Knowledge , good deeds and good morals elevate the human , the opposite brings the human down.

                                      Freedom of choice can only mean the following hierarchy
                                      1-GOD the creator/GOD s law/universal natural laws. The true sovereignty.
                                      2- human the viceroy/sub sovereign/ legislator/common law to live with others.
                                      3- Governments/leaders/monarch/groups chosen by the sub sovereigns/ contracted to rule and police and ...deal with the organisation and admin/health...etc.

                                      Now , what happened along the line of the generations, GOD s law and the sub sovereignty of individuals have been cast aside and the hierarchy has been turned upside down by religions of men and systems of dictators.

                                      GOD s system and the freedom of the humans have been hijacked by the opposition to GOD and His system and the few that ruled have been oppressing the subjects/masses and dividing the humans/racism... to keep their systems.

                                      Islam to GOD just means you are free from oppression of man and live as a sovereign on earth under GOD s system /free individual from all other systems.

                                      One may ask ,what does this mean?
                                      Well let us answer this by asking few more questions
                                      1- What is the freedom to choose?
                                      2-Can a human force another human to do things they have not both agreed on /contracted with each other to do?
                                      3- Can a leader/government act as a mafia and enforce rules and taxes that have not been agreed by those who put them there?
                                      4- What contracts have individuals signed and agreed to with their governments?
                                      5= Where is the obligation to honor something you have not agreed to or have a contract to do?

                                      So the law of justice/GOD s law says if you are forced to do things you have not agreed or promised /mutual agreement /contract. ,it is oppression and injustice.. i.e your freedom has been taken away from you.
                                      Are not most ,if not all, the world s government being unjust towards their subjects by forcing unjust laws and taxes?
                                      Islam to GOD will free the individual from tyranny and injustice. GOD is in no need , It is for our own good.

                                      This is true Islam to GOD.
                                      GOD bless you all.
                                      Peace

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