I think I've left sunni Islam and I'm a Submitter now. But I have a Question 🙏
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I can't take it anymore. Sunnis are very dogmatic and they're destroying the religion of Allah! They will rather defend a fabricated Hadith within Sahih Bukhari than to defend the honor of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). I just can't see how that would be the truth. The entire world is laughing at them and accusing our prophet of pedophilia, all because of their rigidness and partisanship to some ancient Hadith scholars...
However, I am very afraid right now because I've watched some videos about the proofs for Rashad Khalifa's messengership (i.e. that he was a messenger of God) and the evidences they enumerated were kinda convincing tbh. His name appears in 2 places in the Qur'an and in the exact middle of these two verses, Allah placed this verse
"And Yūsuf had already come to you earlier with clear signs, but you remained in suspicion about what he brought to you - until when he died, you said, ‘Allah will never send a messenger after him.’ That is how Allah lets go astray anyone who crosses limits and lives in doubt, -" 4034
And so many more signs that I'm kind of a bit amazed. Why would Allah even allow him to discover these secrets of His Book? Didn't God literally say that He only Reveals the secrets to his chosen messengers? Their arguments are very compelling. I want to ask you guys what you know about Rashad, do you consider him a messenger of God? Or was he just lucky and discovered the miracle of 19 and found a way to utilize it to his benefit? Any asnswers would be highly appreciated )
Btw this is the video I was watching https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDkEZoUyXE
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Peace exion.
Qoran has reminded our generation and the future generations.. This has been done as stated in its verses when it was sent down
"They say How come no proof/miracle came to him, say the future belongs to GOD, So wait I am waiting also with you., The reminder came through RK, that Qoran alone- message- is to be followed, and GOD alone is the sole authority and source of salvation. i.e Qoran is the ultimate and ever living messenger
Here are some verses from Qoran that cannot be ignored
Those who possess no knowledge say, "If only God could speak to us, or some miracle could come to us!" Others before them have uttered similar utterances; their minds are similar. We do manifest the miracles for those who have attained certainty.
And remind, for the reminder benefits the believers.
Therefore, you shall remind; perhaps the reminder will benefit.
The reverent will take heed.
The wicked will avoid it.What is the reminder?
The Qoran's Common Denominator(19 guardians of hell do not make sense?!!!)
Over it is nineteen.
We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
Absolutely, (I swear) by the moon.
And the night as it passes.
And the morning as it shines.One of the Great Miracles
This is one of the great miracles.
A warning to the human race.
For those among you who wish to advance, or regressAbsolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.*
The perfect preservation is a process that can only be achieved by putting the miracle into application. Some are in the state of denial, believing/ thinking that the preservation is complete per 159.
The Ultimate Miracle
The Qoran's Mathematical Code.
When we abrogate any miracle, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better miracle, or at least an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?
( Surely you do not think this "ayatin" in here means verse/s?!!!)
*2106 The Quran's mathematical miracle is perpetual & greater than previous miracles (3445, 7435). Like the Qoran itself, it confirms, consummates, and supersedes all previous miracles.Indeed, it is a glorious Quran.
In a preserved master tablet.The System
We did not send before you any messenger, nor a prophet, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. God then nullifies what the devil has done. God perfects His revelations. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.- *2252 Throughout this worldly test, Satan is allowed to present his point of view . This allows the people to make a choice between God's evidence and Satan's evidence. Satan's evidence is invariably based on lies. This system explains the fact that the devil's agents continuously come up with the most absurd lies, insults and accusations against every messenger (see 633-34, 830, 1776-77, 2770).
Those before them disbelieved, and even though they did not see one-tenth* of (the miracle) we have given to this generation, when they disbelieved My messengers, how severe was My retribution!
*3445 The great miracles given to Moses and Jesus were limited in time and place; they were witnessed by a few people who happened to exist in that place at that time. But the mathematical miracle of the Qoran is perpetual (see 7430-35)
It's God's supreme plan to bless our generation and the generations to come, until the end of the world, with the divine, verifiable and a mathematical built-in structure within the Qoran's Arabic text. God s letters and words prove beyond doubt its divine authorship and authenticity.
Or do others have a better explanation for these verses and other verses like{4610, 541-2, 4413...etc}?
But of course the choice is there believe or do not believe!
Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.
Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor shall you conceal the truth, knowingly.
Say, "O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion beyond the truth, and do not follow the opinions of people who have gone astray, and have misled multitudes of people; they are far astray from the right path."
They want to put out God's light with their mouths, but God insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers.
But of course believing the message and following the straight path is the ultimate aim to unite all the believers.
GOD bless you.
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I want to ask you guys what you know about Rashad, do you consider him a messenger of God? Or was he just lucky and discovered the miracle of 19 and found a way to utilize it to his benefit? Any asnswers would be highly appreciated )
predictable garbage for the ignorant; one of dumbest things on the net
1/19 (5%) pick any parameter 18/19 (95%) hidden/unreported failures
peace!
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Peace all.
It should be about what the Qoran says ,not about Rashad or what he said .If Rashad said his own statements/hadith/opinions... and Qoran does not confirm it, then it should be discarded.
If one believes Qoran s message is from GOD ,then what does GOD say?Once one does the research ,checking with Qoran, that is what GOD will hold us responsible and accountable for.
Or can we hide anything from GOD?
Each one has the choice to accept only what they deduce from their own study and check of Qoran.After all ,Qoran is our living messenger ,with it GOD guides or misguides
O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you to proclaim for you many things you have concealed in the scripture, and to pardon many other transgressions you have committed. A beacon has come to you from God, and a profound scripture.
يٰأَهلَ الكِتٰبِ قَد جاءَكُم رَسولُنا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُم كَثيرًا مِمّا كُنتُم تُخفونَ مِنَ الكِتٰبِ وَيَعفوا عَن كَثيرٍ قَد جاءَكُم مِنَ اللَّهِ نورٌ وَكِتٰبٌ مُبينٌ
With it, God guides those who seek His approval. He guides them to the paths of peace, leads them out of darkness into the light by His leave, and guides them in a straight path.
يَهدى بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضوٰنَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلٰمِ وَيُخرِجُهُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ بِإِذنِهِ وَيَهديهِم إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍThe prophet has been and gone ,but Qoran remains, Rashad has been and gone and the same Qoran still remains. Any new messenger will only be able to confirm Qoran not give his own "Hadith".
Follow Qoran with a sincere heart and ask GOD for guidance and persevere.
GOD will settle our differences anyway. No worries.
GOD bless you all.
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I'm an ex-submitter, I no longer believe anything Rashad said. Wish I hadn't wasted my time frankly -\
peace, Jane what freed you from infatuation?
The Qoran's Common Denominator(19 guardians of hell do not make sense?!!!)
Over it is nineteen.
peace, why propagate erroneous deceptive mistranslation?
666 عَلَيْهَا مَلَائِكَةٌ
alayhā/over it (feminine hellfire) malā'ikatun/(are) controllers (masculine)7430 عَلَيْهَا تِسْعَةَ عَشَرَ
alayhā/over it (feminine hellfire) tisata ashara/(are) nineteen (masculine)nineteen masculine تِسْعَةَ عَشَرَ
nineteen feminine تِسْعَ عَشْرةَlikewise, it's no more a common denominator than 7, 11, or 29 etc.
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Peace I nuni
Are you brother Noon? If not, ignore.What have the Guardians of hell s number got to do with 7431?
The number 19 is over the revelation -feminine also- This is what makes those that come across the numerical composition of Qoran different categories.
For example you clearly deny as you are entitled to do. But numerical composition pf Qoran is a fact.
Also, the first verse of the whole revelation is composed of 19 letters-( Not 11 or 17 or 29 ...)
May be it is your task to oppose Keep going , I am not objecting.Why do you ignore some verses? like 4610 ,541-2...etc
468
When they say, "He fabricated this," say, "If I fabricated this, then you cannot protect me from God. He is fully aware of everything you scheme. He suffices as a witness between me and you. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful."
أَم يَقولونَ افتَرىٰهُ قُل إِنِ افتَرَيتُهُ فَلا تَملِكونَ لى مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيـًٔا هُوَ أَعلَمُ بِما تُفيضونَ فيهِ كَفىٰ بِهِ شَهيدًا بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَهُوَ الغَفورُ الرَّحيمُSimilarly, and check this, previous scripture -Torah- was also numerically composed
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Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner."
قُل ما كُنتُ بِدعًا مِنَ الرُّسُلِ وَما أَدرى ما يُفعَلُ بى وَلا بِكُم إِن أَتَّبِعُ إِلّا ما يوحىٰ إِلَىَّ وَما أَنا۠ إِلّا نَذيرٌ مُبينٌ
4610
Say, "What if it is from God and you disbelieved in it? A witness from the Children of Israel has borne witness to a similar phenomenon,* and he has believed, while you have turned arrogant. Surely, God does not guide ...."
قُل أَرَءَيتُم إِن كانَ مِن عِندِ اللَّهِ وَكَفَرتُم بِهِ وَشَهِدَ شاهِدٌ مِن بَنى إِسرٰءيلَ عَلىٰ مِثلِهِ فَـٔامَنَ وَاستَكبَرتُم إِنَّ اللَّهَ لا يَهدِى القَومَ الظّٰلِمينَThis is about Rabbi Judah the Pious.
- This witness , Rabbi Judah the Pious (11th Century A.D.), who discovered the same 19-based mathematical code in intact fragments of the scripture(Torah)
http//whoisourcreator.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/rabbi-judah-pious-witnesses.html
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Those who disbelieved said about those who believed, "If it were anything good, they would not have accepted it before us." Because they were not guided to it, they said, "This is an old fabrication!"
وَقالَ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لِلَّذينَ ءامَنوا لَو كانَ خَيرًا ما سَبَقونا إِلَيهِ وَإِذ لَم يَهتَدوا بِهِ فَسَيَقولونَ هٰذا إِفكٌ قَديمٌ
Brother, you are free to believe what you like.
GOD bless you.
Peace - This witness , Rabbi Judah the Pious (11th Century A.D.), who discovered the same 19-based mathematical code in intact fragments of the scripture(Torah)
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Peace good logic
7430-31 nineteen angels guarding hell
Nor is it over revelation, you can’t readThere are 29 words in the first chapter
Likewise all verses 6236 letter counts
~1/11 * 6236 are multiple of 11
~1/19 * 6236 are multiple of 19
~1/29 * 6236 are multiple of 29468-11 has nothing to do with nineteen
Torah has nothing to do with nineteen
Rabbi Judah the Pious — don’t careMuch prefer listening to Rabbi Tovia
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Peace I nuni
And context is ignored in 7431?.
We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
وَما جَعَلنا أَصحٰبَ النّارِ إِلّا مَلٰئِكَةً وَما جَعَلنا عِدَّتَهُم إِلّا فِتنَةً لِلَّذينَ كَفَروا لِيَستَيقِنَ الَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ وَيَزدادَ الَّذينَ ءامَنوا إيمٰنًا وَلا يَرتابَ الَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ وَالمُؤمِنونَ وَلِيَقولَ الَّذينَ فى قُلوبِهِم مَرَضٌ وَالكٰفِرونَ ماذا أَرادَ اللَّهُ بِهٰذا مَثَلًا كَذٰلِكَ يُضِلُّ اللَّهُ مَن يَشاءُ وَيَهدى مَن يَشاءُ وَما يَعلَمُ جُنودَ رَبِّكَ إِلّا هُوَ وَما هِىَ إِلّا ذِكرىٰ لِلبَشَرِIs this not about "The reminder/message/ i.e Qoran revelation?
So according to you, the group of 19 Angels /guardians of hell are strengthening your faith and convincing the Jews and Christians that Qoran is divine?
And according to me, code/Mathematical composition/interlock of the Qoran is strengthening my faith and convincing some Jews and Christians that Qoran is divine.
And I have no idea how these Angels are doing these to anyone,, but I can witness and see the number composition clearly doing these to various folks.
So, to you your context and to me my context.
GOD bless you brother .
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Peace all.
what is a messenger? No message = No messenger.
Therefore messenger = message,. It is all about the message not the messenger.We can only choose what GOD s message Qoran, confirms. If we choose what is not confirmed by Qoran, then we disobey GOD.In that case, we have taken the messenger as authority.
RK s message was GOD ALONE which means Qoran alone as the only source of redemption, not some words/opinions RK said that cannot be confirmed from Qoran.
As a man RK had his own opinions as well like you and me and made mistakes like all humans do. He himself acknowledged this and insisted if Qoran does not say it ,do not follow it even if he said it.That is why each needs to check with Qoran. Obey GOD and obey the messenger does not mean obey the messenger and disobey GOD. It only means obey both if there is no contradiction or issue with Qoran/GOD S message. In that case one is obeying GOD and His message .
Guidance is only from GOD and His message not from the messenger.
It is about certainty of accountability and following the straight path in GOD s message. That is what all GOD s messengers have reminded about.
GOD bless.
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1- Rashad is not an envoy.
2- Verses 128 and 129 of Surat al-Tawbah are included in the 19 system/miracle.
https//bookdown.org/gokmenaltay19/Quran19/
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Peace Emre.
What does Qoran say ? That is what really matters.
Are not many ignoring verses about GOD sending messengers according to the time and place to Beni Adam?My study of Qoran confirms he was a messenger in a different time
We have sent messengers before you , and we made them husbands with wives and children. No messenger can produce a miracle without God's authorization, and in accordance with a specific, predetermined time.(1974 ONWARDS)
وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا رُسُلًا مِن قَبلِكَ وَجَعَلنا لَهُم أَزوٰجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَما كانَ لِرَسولٍ أَن يَأتِىَ بِـٔايَةٍ إِلّا بِإِذنِ اللَّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتابٌ
God erases whatever He wills, and fixes. With Him is the original Master Record.( FALSE TRADITIONAL Islam IS BEING ERASED SLOWLY BUT SURELY)
يَمحُوا اللَّهُ ما يَشاءُ وَيُثبِتُ وَعِندَهُ أُمُّ الكِتٰبِ
Whether we show you what we promise them, or terminate your life before that, your sole mission is to deliver (the message). It is us who will call them to account.( GOD KNEW THE FATE OF RK)
وَإِن ما نُرِيَنَّكَ بَعضَ الَّذى نَعِدُهُم أَو نَتَوَفَّيَنَّكَ فَإِنَّما عَلَيكَ البَلٰغُ وَعَلَينَا الحِسابُ
Do they not see that every day on earth, brings them closer to the end, and that God decides their life span, irrevocably? He is the most efficient Reckoner.
أَوَلَم يَرَوا أَنّا نَأتِى الأَرضَ نَنقُصُها مِن أَطرافِها وَاللَّهُ يَحكُمُ لا مُعَقِّبَ لِحُكمِهِ وَهُوَ سَريعُ الحِسابِ
Others before them have schemed, but to God belongs the ultimate scheming. He knows what everyone is doing. The disbelievers will find out who the ultimate winners are.
وَقَد مَكَرَ الَّذينَ مِن قَبلِهِم فَلِلَّهِ المَكرُ جَميعًا يَعلَمُ ما تَكسِبُ كُلُّ نَفسٍ وَسَيَعلَمُ الكُفّٰرُ لِمَن عُقبَى الدّارِ
Those who disbelieved will say, "You are not a messenger!" Say, "God suffices as a witness between me and you, and those who possess knowledge of the scripture."
وَيَقولُ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لَستَ مُرسَلًا قُل كَفىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهيدًا بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَمَن عِندَهُ عِلمُ الكِتٰبِOthers will have to check for themselves.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Emre.
According to my study of the Quran, Rashad is not a messenger.
He was a man who had both great faults and extraordinarily good service.
Peace
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He the one descends the serenity in hearts those believers
liyazdādū/to increased they of imānāan/faith of with faith theirs
and to God soldiers (angels) the skies (celestial realms) and the land
and kāna/be (is) the God knower of wisdom ofpeace good logic
what did it mean at the time of revelation?
what caused people to believe 1400 years?likewise your translation 7430-31 is imprecise
7430 alayhā/over it (feminine hellfire) (are) nineteen (masculine)
7431
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and not made we companions the fire (feminine) except angels (masculine)
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and not made we tally theirs except trial for the ones kafarū/reject they of
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and yazdāda/they increase the ones believes they of imānāan/faith of
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and not they doubt the ones given they of the book and those believing
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and to speaketh the ones in hearts theirs illness and the rejecting
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like such misguided the God whom willed of and guided whom willed of
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and not knoweth soldiers (controllers/angels) lord your except he
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and not it is except reminder to the mortal (hellfire/abyss awaits)
Essentially, the pagans and others expressed skepticism and mockery regarding the placement of nineteen guards over hellfire, aimed at influencing the believers. However, this strategy backfired, as it not only failed to weaken their faith but, in fact, bolstered it—in the past and continuing into the present.
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Peace I nuni
what did it mean at the time of revelation?
Well
What does this verse mean to you now?
يَومَ نَطوِى السَّماءَ كَطَىِّ السِّجِلِّ لِلكُتُبِ كَما بَدَأنا أَوَّلَ خَلقٍ نُعيدُهُ وَعدًا عَلَينا إِنّا كُنّا فٰعِلينَ
Qoran is for many generations till the end times." Likulli Ajalin Kitab"
The future belongs to GOD so wait ,we are all waiting. The specific determined time to unveil 19 has come to our generation now.what caused people to believe 1400 years?
Again
What caused people before that to believe in Moses, or Jesus ?
This specific time requires more sophisticated Science and Mathematics advances. GOD is forever prepared for all generations.But this is common to all the generations old and new
If they turn away, then say, "I have warned you sufficiently, and I have no idea how soon or late (the retribution) will come to you.
فَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَقُل ءاذَنتُكُم عَلىٰ سَواءٍ وَإِن أَدرى أَقَريبٌ أَم بَعيدٌ ما توعَدونَ
"He is fully aware of your public utterances, and He is fully aware of everything you conceal.
إِنَّهُ يَعلَمُ الجَهرَ مِنَ القَولِ وَيَعلَمُ ما تَكتُمونَ
"For all that I know, this world is a test for you, and a temporary enjoyment."
وَإِن أَدرى لَعَلَّهُ فِتنَةٌ لَكُم وَمَتٰعٌ إِلىٰ حينٍ
Say, "My Lord, Your judgment is the absolute justice. Our Lord is the Most Gracious; only His help is sought in the face of your claims."
قٰلَ رَبِّ احكُم بِالحَقِّ وَرَبُّنَا الرَّحمٰنُ المُستَعانُ عَلىٰ ما تَصِفونَBrother, if you believe you have GOD s message, just follow it and you have nothing to worry about.
GOD wants us to follow His message , if we do that with a sincere heart, we are following what all the prophets and messengers and believers have followed and what all future messengers and believers will follow.
GOD bless you.
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Brother Emre, let us both keep studying Qoran, Then apply GOD s message to our life.
That is the most important, useful and fruitful business
GOD bless you.
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Peace All.
This common misunderstanding of "religion" has plagued all the generations.
There is no conversion to any religious sect. There is only GOD s religion of " Islam/submission to GOD Alone".
There is no need to join a sect called "submitters" or "sunnis" or ...any sect.Submission is the religion of GOD. No conversion needed or joining some human groups needed.
Submission is to GOD Alone. All believers belong to one group, one congregation.
Every prophet and messenger came with this message.In fact ,there is no other religion of GOD that requires intermediaries or partners.
One can believe by submitting to GOD and following His message direct.
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One can socialise and study with fellow believers , that is another subject and matter that is separate , like helping one another and caring for one another.
GOD bless you all.
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I left because I had enough of the narcissism, evasiveness and hypocrisy both of him and the Submitters. Their American-centeredness was also annoying. It felt like a cult, albeit one I couldn't really be part of being from Europe. They have replaced Mohammad hadith with Rashad hadith. I don't believe anymore that there is a 19 code in the Koran, I believe he cherry-picked data.
I also no longer believe that the present day Koran is the original revelation, I think the original was probably a lot smaller and a lot of nonsense has been added to it from Syriac Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Arab paganism; ergo a real messenger would give us the real Koran back not confirm a corrupted one.
