A question regarding 11:114
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Salam Servant,
So the verse you have presented does not invalidate or nullify the requirement of a timed salat.
I didn't mean that, I was adressing the issue of two timed salaah per day, and this is according to my understanding of 2437 wrong. I think its more than twice per day.
Best regards,
sabo -
peace omar, all,
Please see the following thread in which a possible answer was given
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=971
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2437 Men who are not distracted by business or sale from remembering God, and observing the Salaah, and giving the Zakaah. They fear a Day when the hearts and sight shall be overturned.
I think, that this verse makes it clear, why the view of upholding Salaah twice a day is wrong. Simply becasue before sun rise and before sun set there is no time for trade/sale/business/commerce,etc... These activities are usually during the day-light
This statement makes no sense to me. Before sunset is still regarded as day-light as far as I'm aware.
In any case, my view is it should be done before & after the working day, and this is individual. It is an oration/reading (public or private).
http//mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/think-786/slw.htmWakas
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Salam Wakas,
my view is it should be done before & after the working day
Well, I don't agree with this statement because it contradicts 2437. 2437 implies that its also during the working hours of the day, which is the reason why work/business shouldn't distract us from salaah
Best regards,
sabo -
peace be upon you sabo,
Well, I don't agree with this statement because it contradicts 2437. 2437 implies that its also during the working hours of the day, which is the reason why work/business shouldn't distract us from salaah
Thats what I thought you meant, however your initial comment made no sense (to me). I can understand your thoughts but the following has to be considered
the previous sign mentions "morning & evening", not during the middle of the working day. This weakens your understanding. Unless one takes it as an idiomatic expression meaning "again & again" which is also plausible.
I do not think that every occurrence of salaah refers to the timed/regular oration/reading/salaah. Thus, for me, its an assumption to apply it in this sign, but I think its possible to do so.
Even if it is 2x per day, like I said "before & after the working day" it is still possible to be distracted by trade/sale from upholding the regular/timed slw. I can easily imagine a trader wishing to open earlier and capture the early business or stay open later for the same reason. This happens in the UK, in which the usual working day is 9am-5pm but some businesses open slightly earlier & later than this, for this very reason.
There are countries (mainly extreme North) in which the working day is not determined by the daylight hours, and an artificial "working day" is set.
For your understanding to work, you must also accept "giving the zakaah" is only done during the working hours of the day.
For these reasons, I personally wouldn't call 2437 "clear" in contradicting the 2x per day argument. Its a possibility.
I respect your opinion however.
Wakas
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in one of my dics i have read that anaa layli we atrafa nahari might denote continuity/persistence- an idiom meaning again and again or continous upholding of something and not literal times....
given the context of 11114 tarafayinehari wa zulafan minalayli might well mean the same...
there are other idioms in the book for example mornings and evenings ( bil guduwi wal asal or bil ashiyyi wal ibkar or bukratan we aseela )etc.)that mean again and again and not the times in literal sense
best wishes
Zlatan
Peace Zlatan, all
Indeed, we are to be straight all the day and some part of the night, not only at a specific moment for a limited period.
The VERB "aqimoo" in 11114 is the one defining the ACTION. And the action is "to keep straight" or "to straighten".
There is no praying in that verse nor any form of ritual. It's asking us to keep THE RELATION straight. One may ask, which relation is it?
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Peace all,
The salat is a timed Book for the believer. Tthe salat at dawn and at dusk is one of the aspect of the salat concept.
Innasalata kanat alal muminiina kitaban mawqoota dont have necessary to reffer to dawn and dusk...
imo it can mean, and i have heard it from mirgani hamad, a relatively good knower of arabic, a few years ago...
the(that,this, mentioned) salat has become prescribed to believers at certain point of time
more clearly ....
at certain point of the time(one day) the salat has become prescribed....
possible meaning in context
the(mentioned) commitement/duty/obligation/upholding of fighting (or hijra)has become duty of believers at certain point of time....
best wishes
Zlatan
excuse my poor english
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4100-103
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Peace,
We should keep the context in mind while deriving a meaning of a word.
Please, do also have a look at the different meanings of the 2 verbs "qada'" (to rule, decree, judge))and "aqa'ma" (to straighten).
"Mawqoutan" on the other hand can also mean "concordant / coherent" or "well-tuned" or maybe even "tunable capable of being tuned".
Just some observations.
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Peace,
4101 When you are traveling through the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the congregations of prayers (alssalati), if you fear that the rejecters of the Truth may attack you. Verily, the rejecters are an open enemy to you.
In 4103 O Messenger! When you are with them reffers to the believers not the disbelievers, the salat is a scheleded book only for the believers.
4103 So when you have finished/completed (qadaytumu) the salat, then remember God while standing, or sitting, or on your sides. And when you are once again secure, establish (aqeemoo) the congregations of Salat. Joining the congregations of Salat at the times appointed by the Central Authority is a duty unto believers.
The verb qada is also used in 2200, 4629
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When you have completed (qadaytum) your rites, then remember God as you remember your fathers or even greater. From among the people are those who Say ?Our Lord, give us from this world!?, but in the Hereafter he has no part.
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And We sent to you a small number of Jinn, in order to let them listen to the Quran. So when they arrived there, they said ?Pay attention.? Then, when it was finished(qudiya), they returned to their people, to warn them.
629 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! When the salat is announced on the Day of the Congregation, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and leave your commerce. That is for your own good if you use your knowledge to understand.
6210 And when the salat is ended (qudiyati), disperse freely in the land and seek of Allah?s Bounty. And remember Allah often so that you may prosper.
The salat is a schelded book could refer both to the salat on the Day of the Congregation and the salat at dawn and dusk, IMHO.
The goal is to remember the God during the salat and after it."and the remembrance of God is the greatest"
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Salut Mohamed,
Peace upon you,
Here are the occurences of the root "Q-D-Y".
http//www.irreduciblefifth.force9.co.uk/burhan/b.x.342.htm
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Thanks for the information, this verb has several meanings according the context.
In the light of 4100-103, 6210, 2200, to end/finish/complete/fulfill make more sence for me than to decree which is generally specific for the God and His judgement.
Here some examples which are similar than those about the salat
29.Then let them complete (lyaqdoo) their duties and fulfill their vows, and let them partake at the ancient sanctuary.
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He said ?It is then an agreement between me and you. Whichever period I fulfill (qadaytu), you will not be averse to either one. And God is entrusted over what we said.?
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So when Moses fulfilled (qada) his obligation, he was traveling with his family and he saw a fire from the slope of the mount. He said to his family ?Stay here. I have seen a fire. Perhaps I can bring to you news from there, or a portion of the fire to warm you.?
3323
- And you said to the one who was blessed by God, and blessed by you ?Keep your wife and reverence God,? and you hid inside yourself what God wished to proclaim. And you feared the people, while it was God you were supposed to fear. So when Zayd ended (qada) his relationship with his wife, We had you marry her, to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended (qadaw). And God's command is always done.
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