Questions on Ritual Salah
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Brother jkhan.
Where do you get "Junub" definition from?
Where do you get meet up to read/study Qoran in the verse?
I read your explanation and I have no idea what "The Salat" really means done in a group from your take.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Seek guidance as you always do... Open your door and let Allah's guidance reach you... No more comments..
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JKhan,
Quranic Salat Ritual Salat as we practice.
I think its more of "learning session" where one spends time individually or in group learn from the good morals of the world.
And i think the ritual part also comes in, as people those times assigned specific times to do this.
These can be mostly in mosques but also individually at houses.
The primary purpose of Salat i think is learning, so the act of preparing for the session comes in, being attentive(not lazy) and Aqimus salat, is to always give top priority to Salat(learning).
The times of revealing of the Quran, the learning process may be primitive and people now follows only the ritual mode and left or lost the ultimate aim of the practice.
In learning there needs a teacher, so the prophet or the book(kitab)/verses acts as one.
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Salam everyone...
Would you ever leave your ritual prayer incocompleted, that too for trivial and meaningless reason..? No... conventional Muslims not do so as far as I know cuz not allowed in their religion.. So let's explore chapter 62 where Salat is mentioned.. ...
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" O you who have believed, when you are called for the Salah from a day of the gathering, so proceed towards remembrance of Allah and leave the trading. That is better for you, if you only knew.6210
" So when the Salah is concluded / accomplished, scatter in the land /area and seek from the bounty of Allah, and remember Allah much in order that you may succeed."6211
"But when they sighted transaction and distraction/ amusement, they hurried towards it and left you (Singular) standing. Say, "What is with Allah is better than the distraction / amusement and of the transaction, and Allah is the better in providers."Okay.. First of all Salah here is Session for Quran revealing / questioning etc on A day of any of the gathering which prevailed in that society (be it weekly fair, harvest festival day or new year or spring celebration day or days like Haj/debate what ever common and usual to that community where so many amusement and distraction and trading taking place) .. On such days also Quran revelation takes place and to be conveyed by the Messenger..
So when one another on such a day called towards Salah, Allah rightly said 'hasten to remembrance of Allah'.. cuz Quran revelation session is full of guidance and knowledge so that one can remember His Lord a lot while listening to what is revealed and discussed or questioned in the session.. Of course one can remember Allah being at his business place or at home in various reflections and no need to leave trading but they didnt have the complete Quran yet so they are to approach to seek the truth of Allah which is revealed in the Session.. They are not like us, Quran within the touch of finger tip.. No writren pages.. Not much scope to re-check unless refer to fellow believers or no particular order of Quran etc unless they attend the session... Salah to be guarded if they were believers.. That's why God says that's better for you if you know..6210..lets see..
So when the Salah /session for connection through revelation is concluded, go seek your material pleasure but still remember Allah.. Well.. Don't just leave what you heard in the session there itself but reflect upon it and thus remember Allah always .. Remembering Allah not necessarily mean thinking of Allah but acting upon Allah's path.. What to remember Allah if no path of Allah is to follow.. Further note, it is not stated when you conclude salah but it stated when the Salah is concluded.. So no salah alone.. It means session is not in your hand to conclude.. It should be concluded by the one who leading it (The Messenger)... But note carefully 6211 ..Salah is not concluded at all... Revelation and questioning and discussion going on but there were people who left Salah /Connection Session towards transactions, etc which they sighted in the spot while they were on the session/Salah .. But Allah instructs the Messenger to TELL them that what is with Allah is better than these transaction and amusement.. How?? Yes if you attend and acknowledge fully the session and follow the path of Allah so in the hereafter there are better than these amusements ...
If it is prayer Allah would have worded in different way.. Like... You cannot leave Prayer until you complete the prayer instead of saying what is with Allah is better.. Got it? If it is a ritual salah people themselves won't leave the prayer like that ... And note.. When they left the Messenger / the leader of the salah, he was STANDING.. So this Salah/revelation session was in standing position... If they left him in seated position we can deduce at least they left as soon as the prayer is over like people do mostly in Masjeds..It's so obvious Salah / Quran revelation session with questions etc took place at dawn and dusk and additionally on gathering days at any time ...
Salah was completed and Quran was successfully revealed. Message conveyed.. Messenger did his job...
Our duty is to read the Quran and pursue what is revealed and establish Salah / Connection and bringforth Zakah /purity and do righteous good deeds like the true believers were in the past .
For that only God communicated to them and for us and for all through His book . -
Jkhan, Your perspective on Salah as primarily a means of establishing a connection to God, rather than strictly the ritual prayer as commonly practiced, is thought-provoking and highlights the importance of intention and the spiritual connection in worship. It's a reminder that the essence of worship in Islam is to remember Allah and to establish a personal connection with the Divine, I do get that and concur.
However I have some clarifications please.
Regarding Conventional Ritual Prayer If someone performs the conventional ritual prayer (Salah) with deep reflection, sincerity, and a heartfelt intention to connect with God, this in itself aligns with the Quranic emphasis on remembering Allah and seeking closeness to Him. The Quran encourages Muslims to establish prayer (Salah) as a means of remembrance and guidance (Quran 2014). When performed with understanding and contemplation, the physical actions of Salah—such as ruku (bowing) and sujud (prostration)—can deeply enhance a believer's spiritual connection to God. This does not go against the Quran; rather, it fulfills the purpose of Salah as a multifaceted act of worship, combining physical, verbal, and spiritual devotion. Your thoughts for such folks?
Support for This View The understanding of Salah varies among Muslims, including those who identify with the Quranist perspective, which emphasizes a direct engagement with the Quranic text. Some Quranists may interpret Salah more broadly as a form of spiritual connection beyond the ritual prayer, while others might still adhere to the conventional practice of Salah at prescribed times, seeing it as both a Quranic mandate and a means of spiritual connection. The diversity within the Quranist and broader Muslim community means there isn't a monolithic view on this matter. Each individual's understanding and practice of Salah are influenced by their interpretation of the Quran, their spiritual journey, and their engagement with Islamic tradition. I mean I know personally a couple of Quranists who hold this view? In that what us your view on this? or you feel they are not guided?
In conclusion, the beauty of Islam lies in its capacity to accommodate a wide range of sincere approaches to connecting with God. Whether through the traditional ritual prayers or other forms of remembrance and reflection, what's most important is the sincerity of the believer's intention and their personal relationship with Allah. As the Quran states, "Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you" (Quran 4913). This emphasizes that piety and closeness to Allah are ultimately measured by one's righteousness and sincerity, not merely by the outward form of one's worship.
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Peace...
I don't like to talk about others Fusion but I herald the message of Allah in my understanding and definitely point out commonly what is practiced by those who follow falsehood.. Don't I have the right to do it? Of course I have..Let me address your concern of if someone performs ritual Salah with utmost connection and truly, wouldn't that Salah? ... I know 90 % of those who go to Masjed is just going to pray for various of their reason and 10 % of those who goes to pray to Lord but none of these people can get connected to Allah by doing a 5 to 10 minute rituals... Connection should be permanent and never to disconnected... First understand somehow what connection is... You can't go and get connected to Allah in magrib Salah and leave and get connected on isha Salah... What's the point here... Such Salah won't desist our immoralities and evils... The real connection alone can do... Hilarious part is when someone is making a dua for his needs are more connected to Allah than ritual salah.. It's empty... Nothing other than physical movements and words or silence..
Well there is no such thing and It won't happen.. If anyone says it is then it's a lie.
1....Number one reason God has not commanded and doing what God had not commanded to as rituals is sheer waste.. Do you get connection?2.... Night prayers imam recites Quran while standing mostly quickly or set of chapters in first two raka in rotation and never touch entire Quran daily basis ... Other rakat silent.. Those who know Arabic perhaps would be listening but no one concentrates other than listening to beautiful recitations and his voice.. .. Moreover, They are not allowed to take verses in their own way.. Cuz QURAN should not be understood like that without hadith.. They should follow scholars.. .. So you went all the way to masjed to hear couple of simple chapters being recited in beautiful tone by which imam is so proud of while you can read and reflect on your own since complete Quran is with you.. Do you get connection?
3... Day time prayers are absolutely silent and more quicker and not like night time prayers and those in rows won't hear any Quranic verse... But they just parrot what they know from Quran verses mostly small chapters even Arabs and if imam leaves to ruku they leave what they parrotting.. .. .. Do you get connection?
4... None Arabs even in night prayers they won't understand at all anything and even they understand, nothing is understood as it deserves.. . I mean to get the meaning.. Do you get connection?
Would this Method of Salah connect you with Allah... Instead.. Instead.. Stand or sit down in a place keep reading and beg for guidance and imagine how much effort one has to put up with to understand verses and when he understands them, only the CONNECTION enhances with Allah.. With the understanding he urges to follow the path of Allah.. Following path of Allah is indeed remembering of Allah. Nothing else..
Connection to the Lord only increase the Iman of a person... Lack of connection the weaker the iman.. Your ritual prayer won't increase iman ... Some conventional Muslims may have good connection to Allah but unfortunately they have other business too which is associating to Allah... That's why Allah says they never believed without associating.. Very unfortunate... Somehow they preferred Satans path too... God is judge ... Let's see on the day of Deen...
Salah and zaka ie Connection and purification is combined in many verses with intent my Allah.. True connection to Allah indeed purifies a soul..
Those who are connected knows it.. With that connection only he can even ask forgiveness of repent of supplicate or glorify...
Seek guidance of Allah and not worth of AllahThank you..
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Salam..
Below is conventional translation..
2241
those who, if We gave them authority in the land, establishes prayer and gave zakah and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong. And to Allah belongs the outcome of matters"So.. Can any conventional Muslim or Quran alone muslim who Ritually pray (salah) explaine the above verse with logic?
Did they in authority prayed or they let them pray others? Did those in authority gave zakah pr they made others pay zaka? Is that why they are given authority on land and if not believers won't ritually pray? Or not gave zaka? -
Salam..
Below is conventional translation..
2241
those who, if We gave them authority in the landSalaam,
710 and hath assuredly Makkannākum in the land …
for context see prior verse
2240 the ones evicted from their homes …
2241 the ones if Makkannāhum in the landEstablish/settle, as an example
The first mosque in China is believed to be the Huaisheng Mosque in Guangzhou, built during the Tang Dynasty.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huaisheng_Mosque
Şalāata is mainly spiritual with physical/symbolic aspects (not an exercise class).
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I don't like to laugh at Quran verses don't make me laugh at them cuz of the desperate translations to justify nothing...
2240 elaborates how cruel aggressive people were but those who help Allah is not the same..
2241 carries the tone, And when such helpers were MakkannaKum (establishED / settlED / AuthorizED ) //perfect verb// in the land (instead of cruel people) they AKAMU (establishED) Salah (bond/connection) and producED Zaka (purity) and everything in the verse are perfect verbs .. ie they did.. Finish.. Matter done...
It's not they built mosques in lands they forcibly capture and compelled people to pray and compelled people so they gave zaka (obligatory charity) which doesn't even exist in Quran ..
You know what it is in modern terms.. It's like a president says "once we came to power we established integrity / solidarity and produced transparency /purity and carried out / enjoined of good and prevented corruption / evil (isn't that common in mouths of dirty politicians) and that's what God said truly long back about a group of true rulers and not people of Muhamed even.. It's about past.. .. Not people who built mosques in China. Lol.. There is no moswues in Quran.. Don't mock verses ..Nowadays which bloody government establish integrity /solodarity and produce purity...? All gone..
Why Allah MakkannKum such rulers time and time again was to curb / check injustice where believers were living..Anyway.. May Allah you and all believers if we deserve and seek from Him
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مَكَّنَ (Makkana) in Arabic translates to 'to strengthen,' 'to empower,' or 'to enable' in English; likewise, it can also mean 'to establish' in certain contexts.
710 and hath assuredly Makkannākum in the land and made We of for you therein livelihood, little of what thou thanksgiving
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Brother jkhan.
I find your take on 56 confusing. What body odour?
It is asking to wash/wipe 4 items that have nothing to do with body odour.
For body odour one takes a bath/shower otherwise still body odour after 56!
Read the verse after it. It says it is about "hear and obey" What does this mean?
Does "O believers" addresses just a certain generation or all believers? How would one know this?Brother let us both keep studying Qoran and ask the Author to give us more knowledge.
Thank you for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Salam to all,
My question is why would Allah order a physical process for a spiritual process. I agree this has nothing to do with odour. If it is odour then we have to agree they are more parts of body that should be washed than legs and arms. God would have said wash your private parts or wash your armpits.
God bless
