Other Wahi than the quran ?
-
Peace be upon you JM,
This new thread has been created.
-
My friend put the following as proof as Prophet received other wahi than Quran. I could'nt anwser him, I would appreciate any reply from this forum.
Quoted below is his proof
"We know Quran is not revealed in the current order as we see it. It was revealed in different parts and they were ordered in the current order by the instruction of Prophet. Did he order it according to his own wish or did he receive any revelation from God on how to order this ? Even those who do not accept that God send other revelation than Quran, indirectly accept this revelation because they accept the current order of the Quran."
-
Peace
Idolfree1, You're saying that what we know today as the "Quran" was just inspiration? I'm confused.
Was Muhammad the last messenger?
Did God tell him word for word what is in the 'Quran' today?
If not, how did he know about Abraham and Solomon and everyone?
And what would you define as 'inspiration?' -
Peace be upon you Pheonix1,
Idolfree1, You're saying that what we know today as the "Quran" was just inspiration? I'm confused.
I am saying that the truthful story(hadith) is The God's proclamation(quran). It is a message intiuited by those who reach that level of striving. A human made it there (it appears) and wrote the 114 chapters.
Was Muhammad the last messenger?
No one can prove nor disprove the exsistence of such an individual, therefore it is logical to look at "muhammad" as a description of ANYONE who follows this character of "hamd". Anyone who delivers the message is a messenger.
Did God tell him word for word what is in the 'Quran' today?
I was not a witness to how it was inspired.
If not, how did he know about Abraham and Solomon and everyone?
Abraham and solomon are descriptions, characteristics that we must learn. The same "stories" have been given in the past , with different names. In ancient times, Auset(Isis) had a virgin birth of Heru(Horus). Ausar (Osirus) was ressurected from the dead, etc. These are all metaphorical stories. The names are descrip[tions and help is tie things in.
And what would you define as 'inspiration?'
The truth intuited, not learning from outside sources, but from within. Everything we "know" in life was originally intuited by someone, there was always a first.
-
Peace Badar,
I missed this thread. What is Wahi? If it is revealation, what does it mean? Thanks.
Badar
It means instructions other than Qur'an like this unanswered example (i.e. place verse at end of chapter xx)...
My friend put the following as proof as Prophet received other wahi than Quran. I could'nt anwser him, I would appreciate any reply from this forum.
Quoted below is his proof
"We know Quran is not revealed in the current order as we see it. It was revealed in different parts and they were ordered in the current order by the instruction of Prophet. Did he order it according to his own wish or did he receive any revelation from God on how to order this ? Even those who do not accept that God send other revelation than Quran, indirectly accept this revelation because they accept the current order of the Quran."
The traditions are all over the place -- nothing when ch 1 was revealed; some believe it was 1st since everything starts by God's name, others that ch 96 or part of it was first; then why call it ch. 96 and not ch 1? Likewise according to some ch 110 was last, others the last verse was ch 4176, others believe the last part in verse 53 "this day today I completed for you your religion..." was last, while others believe it was revealed all at once during a night in Ramadan.
37 He is who descended on you The Book, from it perfected verses, they are he Book's mother, and others obscure, so but those who in their hearts/minds deviation from truth, so they follow what resembled from it, asking the treason and asking its explanation, and none knows its interpretation except God. And the affirmed in the knowledge, they say "We believe with it, all (is) from at our Lord, and none remember except of the pure minds/intelligence."
-
"The only duty of the messenger is to deliver God's message" 599 (and various other places)
6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds
6944 Had he attributed anything falsely to Us
6945 We would have seized him by the right
6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line
6947 None of you would be able to prevent it6949 We know that some of you are deniers
6950 That it is a distress for the rejecters/disbelievers
6951 It is the absolute truth619 Say, "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say, "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Quran that I may warn you with it and whomever it reaches. Do you bear witness that along with God are other gods?" Say, "I do not bear witness!" Say, "He is only One god, and I am innocent of your setting up partners (to him)!"
-
Salamun alaykum
I think it depends on our definitions of what "wahi" is , and if wahi means inpiration , everyone would have received 'inspirations' at some stage in their lives such as inpirations to do with "Art and Creativity" , unless we restrict the meaning of "wahi" to Qur'an only then other inspirations cannot be called 'wahi' . Cheers
Almarh0m
-
I know there are so many historical/hadith explanations of the word. But what I mean, can we leave all those connotation aside and look at literal meanings of this word. After all it was/is a word in the language of a nation amongst whom nobody before, claimed that angles were descended to him/her with a divine message. So what was their understanding of this word.
Badar
-
Peace,
Quote ? O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
God has already given the law, regarding the cancellation of oaths. And God is your Lord, and He is the Knowledgeable, the Wise.
And when the prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to some of his wives, then one of them spread it, and God revealed it to him, he recognized part of it and denied part. So when he informed her, she said ?Who informed you of this?? He said ?I was informed by the Knowledgeable, the Expert.?Where is the verse where God informs the prophet??
There is no need for a verse because the God may have shown the truth in a dream or use another means.
The prophet Muhammad did not receive wahi other than the Quran. This is my thinking. Please read the following verse for the rationale.
843 - GOD made them appear in your dream (O Muhammad) fewer in number. Had He made them appear more numerous, you would have failed, and you would have disputed among yourselves. But GOD saved the situation. He is Knower of the innermost thoughts.