The Supposed Quran Chronological Error: "Mary, sister of Aaron" - Refuted!

exion

In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

Peace be upon you all

Introduction

Before delving into this topic, it's important to acknowledge that it can be perplexing and may lead some individuals to question or even leave Islam. However, through careful examination and research, one can conclude that there are no chronological errors involved. I hold the belief that within the Qur'an, certain aspects are deliberately left open to interpretation, providing what could be viewed as "easy exits" for those with malicious intent or those seeking justification to stray from the path of Islam. This particular topic falls into that category.

In this article, I aim to demonstrate that there are valid arguments suggesting the absence of error, and that this serves as one of the avenues through which individuals may choose to depart from Islam, should they so desire. God has not made the Qur'an in such a way that when somebody reads it, that he cannot find what seemingly looks like errors (be it in history, science, or anything else). He has made it so that it apparently all is accurate, but left minor issues open to interpretation.

We can conclude the following

The name of Mary's father is completely unknown in both history and the canonical Gospels. He is only mentioned as "Joachim" (a Greek name!) in the gospel of James, and this is an apocrypha (a gospel rejected by all Christians). Thus, his name remains unknown. The Qur'an can make any claim and it would still be valid from a historical and Christian perspective.
If Mary had any siblings is also unknown, both from the canonical Gospels and apocrypha. The Qur'an can even here make any claim and it would still be valid from a historical and Christian perspective.
There is no mention of any Miriam (Moses and Aaron's sister) related to Amram found in the earliest fragments of the Torah. It can be argued that she was a daughter of Amram was a later fabrication concocted by the Masoretes to make it look like the Qur'an contains a chronological mistake. I haven't researched all of the manuscripts (before the 6th century), but I have looked at the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus and the chapters that mention Miriam as Amram's daughter are not present in these codexes, which would have made it very easy for them to fabricate whatever they so desired. I am a strong believer in that the Masoretes were fierce opponents of Islam and did what they did only to discredit Islam and justify the entire Bible, I have proven this through countless posts here on Reddit.
The Qur'an does not conflate the stories or eras of Mary with that of Moses and Aaron. It rather does the exact opposite.

Let's begin the response.

Did the Qur'an think Mary and Jesus were from the same era as Moses and Aaron?

The straightforward response to this is negative. To substantiate this assertion, we would need to present a verse that unequivocally indicates such a notion prior to the revelation of Surah 3 (Al-Imran), as any post-Surah 3 content could be interpreted as an attempt to rectify an earlier error. In Surah 287, God states

"And indeed, We gave Moses the book, and We caused to follow after him messengers. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the spirit of holiness. So is it that every time a messenger comes to you with what does not meet your desires, you become arrogant and a party you deny and a party you kill?" (287)

The phrase "We gave Moses the book, and We caused to follow after him messengers" explicitly indicates that the author of the Qur'an was aware of a succession of messengers between Moses and Jesus. The mention of Moses and Jesus in this context, along with the specific reference to a lineage of messengers between them, serves the sole purpose (and I genuinely believe this) of providing a clear response to the contention of chronological error raised in Surah 1928, "O sister of Aaron."

In other words, why would the Qur'an be stating that there was a line of messengers sent between Moses and Jesus if not for this exact purpose?

Does Sura 3 narrate the stories of Moses and Aaron?

It does not, it does mention them by name but it also mentions Abraham and others by name, while it does not narrate any of their stories. If the author of the Qur'an really conflated the eras of Mary with that of Moses/Aaron, then why are their stories not narrated in this chapter? Why would an entire chapter be named after "Amram" the father of Moses and Aaron, yet fail to narrate their stories? Because it's not about Amram or Moses and Aaron. It's about Mary and her family (and father, whose name was 'Imran).

"House of Abraham" and "House of 'Imran" - Abraham and Amram? no!

This is one of the concerns that they raise against the Qur'an when it comes to this topic Why are Moses and Aaron omitted in 333

"God did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people-" (333)

And then they say "So did God mention the family of Abraham and 'Imran, Mary's father, and omitted Amram and hence omitted Moses and Aaron?"....

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Does anyone else have more gems to add? I'd highly appreciate if y'all could get a little involved so we could completely solidify this rebuttal .

Miriam is called "Sister of Aaron" in the Old Testament. Why specifically "... of Aaron" even confused the rabbis and they've suggested a few various interpretations. But it is still a bit strange that Mary also is called the same way in the Qur'an even though it is crystal clear that the Qur'an doesn't conflate their time periods. Would be great if someone could perhaps share some light on this issue.

Salam! / Your bro, Exion.

Emre_1974tr

No, the Koran gives the chronology perfectly.

Mary is the sister of Aaron and Moses.

Jesus is the nephew of Aaron and Moses.

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612492.msg442619#msg442619

good_logic

So where do you place David and Solomon?
They came at least a century after Moses
Surely they were before Jesus. In fact Solomon built the temple.
Zacharia brought up Meriem the mother of Jesus.
Zacharia was a priest in the temple after the Jews came back from exile to the promised land a second time.
Hence Jesus was at the same time as Zacharia the priest,
All these are history facts . Qoran clarifies this for us as well.
The sister of Aaron in Qoran just means from the same family of priests.

GOD bless.
Peace.

Emre_1974tr

So where do you place David and Solomon?
They came at least a century after Moses
Surely they were before Jesus. In fact Solomon built the temple.
Zacharia brought up Meriem the mother of Jesus.
Zacharia was a priest in the temple after the Jews came back from exile to the promised land a second time.
Hence Jesus was at the same time as Zacharia the priest,
All these are history facts . Qoran clarifies this for us as well.
The sister of Aaron in Qoran just means from the same family of priests.

GOD bless.
Peace.

Zechariah or any other prophet was not a priest.

Prophets David and Solomon came after Moses and Jesus.

Only the Quran gives the true history.

Say "We believe in Allah and in that which has been sent down to us, and in that which was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and his descendants, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which was given to the other Prophets. We are only those who submit to Him/Allah."

Notice that in this verse, the name of Prophet Jesus is mentioned right after Moses...

384 Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."

Again,
Notice that in this verse, the name of Prophet Jesus is mentioned right after Moses...

4163 We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.

Here Solomon and David come after Jesus in chronology, or even last.

Notice that Jesus is not talking about confirming the Zabur given to the Prophet David. Because the Zabur had not yet come.

Peace

Bajram_Hoxhaj

Here Solomon and David come after Jesus in chronology, or even last.

nope study carefully before littering every thread.

287
and hath assuredly gave we of Musa the writ (book)
and sent we of from after him with the messengers
and gave we of Isa son Maryam the evidence

2246-253 from after Musa …
and slew David Jaluta (Goliath) …
and gave we of Isa son Maryam the evidence

4163 indeed we inspires we of to you like inspires we of towards Noah
and the prophets from after him
and inspires we of towards Ibrahym
and Ismail
and Isaac
and Yakub
and the tribes
and Isa
and Ayyub
and Yunus
and Aaron
and Suleiman
and gave we of Dawood psalm of

683-86
and those case ours gave we its Ibrahym …
and bequeath we of to him Isaac
and Yakub each of guide we of
and Noah of guide we of from before
and of progeny his Dawood
and Suleiman
and Ayyub
and Yusuf
and Musa
and Aaron
and like such we compensate those good doers
and Zakariyya
and Yahya
and Isa
and Elias each among the righteous
and Ismail
and Elisha
and Yunus
and Lut of
and each of bounty we of over the worlds inhabitants

Emre_1974tr

Zechariah or any other prophet was not a priest.

Prophets David and Solomon came after Moses and Jesus.

Only the Quran gives the true history.

Say "We believe in Allah and in that which has been sent down to us, and in that which was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and his descendants, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which was given to the other Prophets. We are only those who submit to Him/Allah."

Notice that in this verse, the name of Prophet Jesus is mentioned right after Moses...

384 Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."

Again,
Notice that in this verse, the name of Prophet Jesus is mentioned right after Moses...

4163 We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.

Here Solomon and David come after Jesus in chronology, or even last.

Notice that Jesus is not talking about confirming the Zabur given to the Prophet David. Because the Zabur had not yet come.

Peace

Stories such as Osiris and Horus were derived and invented after the prophet Jesus/Isa/Joshua.

347 She said "My Lord, how can I have a son when no human being has been with me?" He said "It is thus that God creates what He wills, when He decrees a command, He merely says to it 'Be,' and it is."

348 He teaches him the book and the Wisdom, the Torah and the Injeel.

The Zabur actually came after the Torah and the Gospel, and therefore are not mentioned in the verses about the life of Jesus.

hawk99

Peace,

Again, like the age of Noah, which one of you intellectual giants will win the contest. yes

Yusuf Ali 37 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

God bless

peace

good_logic

Peace Emre.
No. you are not consistent with your explanation.
Jesus mentioned straight after Moses has nothing to do with chronological order
GOD often groups prophets in no particular order of who came first or last.

If we follow your explanation we end up with this anomaly in Surah 21. GOD is listing many prophets , but Jesus does not come after Moses. Actually Jesus along with his mother are mentioned last.2190.

Sorry I do not share your understanding.. Nowhere in Qoran does GOD say or even indicate that Jesus came next straight after Moses. The only indication is that Moses came before Jesus.
As for Zabur came after the Gospel of Jesus ,that is your assumption or state the verse/s that clarify this for you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Bajram_Hoxhaj

As for Zabur came after the Gospel of Jesus ,that is your assumption or state the verse/s that clarify this for you.

His every post is assumption arguing with himself and never answering any questions.

Yusuf Ali 37 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical.

What is “from after” that is not clear?

2246-253 from after Musa ...
and slew David Goliath ...
and gave we of Isa son Maryam the evidence

We know Christianity began circa 50 CE
https//www.earlychristianwritings.com/

We know Iron Age began circa 1200 BCE
1755 and gave we of David psalm of
3410 and made we of to him the iron

This refers to the sister of Musa
2811 and said she to sister his, “follow him”

This refers to a title years later
1927-28 …
O Maryam! hath assuredly came thou thing of bewilderment
O sister Aaron! not kāna father your elder evil and not kānat mother your unchaste of

Emre_1974tr

Peace,

) Again, like the age of Noah, which one of you intellectual giants will win the contest. yes

Yusuf Ali 37 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

God bless

peace

The verse does not say that others are figurative. He says that all the verses are in the plain first meaning. But it says that some verses have secondary and tertiary meanings besides their obvious primary meaning. Those who have diseases in their hearts try to accept the symbolic meaning by denying the obvious first meaning.

These methods are like saying "this is metaphorical" to a verse you don't like and deny it in a masked way. And then you try to show the symbolic meaning of the verse as the primary meaning. This cruelty is practised by many people.

Emre_1974tr

Peace Emre.
.
Peace.

In our previous discussion with you, these were the verses that I showed as counter-examples to the verse you gave as examples. So I showed your inconsistency. When you brought up the same subject again, I gave verse examples again. And leave aside the belief in priests that comes from your Christian background. The messengers were never priests.

According to the Quran, Jesus is the nephew of Moses and Aaron.

And Joshua in the false Torah is actually Jesus.

Peace

good_logic

Brother Emre.

Mary ,the mother of Jesus was brought up by Zaccariah. Who was he? Which generation? Did he exist during the same time as Moses and Aaron?

God has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram (as messengers) to the people.
إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصطَفىٰ ءادَمَ وَنوحًا وَءالَ إِبرٰهيمَ وَءالَ عِمرٰنَ عَلَى العٰلَمينَ
They belong to the same progeny. God is Hearer, Omniscient.
ذُرِّيَّةً بَعضُها مِن بَعضٍ وَاللَّهُ سَميعٌ عَليمٌ
The wife of Amram said, "My Lord, I have dedicated (the baby) in my belly to You, totally, so accept from me. You are Hearer, Omniscient."
إِذ قالَتِ امرَأَتُ عِمرٰنَ رَبِّ إِنّى نَذَرتُ لَكَ ما فى بَطنى مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّل مِنّى إِنَّكَ أَنتَ السَّميعُ العَليمُ
When she gave birth to her, she said, "My Lord, I have given birth to a girl" - God was fully aware of what she bore - "The male is not the same as the female. I have named her Mary, and I invoke Your protection for her and her descendants from the rejected devil."
فَلَمّا وَضَعَتها قالَت رَبِّ إِنّى وَضَعتُها أُنثىٰ وَاللَّهُ أَعلَمُ بِما وَضَعَت وَلَيسَ الذَّكَرُ كَالأُنثىٰ وَإِنّى سَمَّيتُها مَريَمَ وَإِنّى أُعيذُها بِكَ وَذُرِّيَّتَها مِنَ الشَّيطٰنِ الرَّجيمِ
Her Lord accepted her a gracious acceptance, and brought her up a gracious upbringing, under the guardianship of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah entered her sanctuary he found provisions with her. He would ask, "Mary, where did you get this from?" She would say, "It is from God. God provides for whomever He chooses, without limits."
فَتَقَبَّلَها رَبُّها بِقَبولٍ حَسَنٍ وَأَنبَتَها نَباتًا حَسَنًا وَكَفَّلَها زَكَرِيّا كُلَّما دَخَلَ عَلَيها زَكَرِيَّا المِحرابَ وَجَدَ عِندَها رِزقًا قالَ يٰمَريَمُ أَنّىٰ لَكِ هٰذا قالَت هُوَ مِن عِندِ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَرزُقُ مَن يَشاءُ بِغَيرِ حِسابٍ
The Birth of Yahia
That is when Zachariah implored his Lord "My Lord, grant me such a good child; You are the Hearer of the prayers."
هُنالِكَ دَعا زَكَرِيّا رَبَّهُ قالَ رَبِّ هَب لى مِن لَدُنكَ ذُرِّيَّةً طَيِّبَةً إِنَّكَ سَميعُ الدُّعاءِ
The angels called him when he was praying in the sanctuary "God gives you good news of Yahia; a believer in the word of God, honorable, moral, and a righteous prophet."
فَنادَتهُ المَلٰئِكَةُ وَهُوَ قائِمٌ يُصَلّى فِى المِحرابِ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يُبَشِّرُكَ بِيَحيىٰ مُصَدِّقًا بِكَلِمَةٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَسَيِّدًا وَحَصورًا وَنَبِيًّا مِنَ الصّٰلِحينَ
He said, "How can I have a boy, when I am so old, and my wife is sterile?" He said, "God does whatever He wills."
قالَ رَبِّ أَنّىٰ يَكونُ لى غُلٰمٌ وَقَد بَلَغَنِىَ الكِبَرُ وَامرَأَتى عاقِرٌ قالَ كَذٰلِكَ اللَّهُ يَفعَلُ ما يَشاءُ
He said, "My Lord, give me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three days, except through signals. Commemorate your Lord frequently; and meditate night and day."
قالَ رَبِّ اجعَل لى ءايَةً قالَ ءايَتُكَ أَلّا تُكَلِّمَ النّاسَ ثَلٰثَةَ أَيّامٍ إِلّا رَمزًا وَاذكُر رَبَّكَ كَثيرًا وَسَبِّح بِالعَشِىِّ وَالإِبكٰرِ

Mary and Jesus, like Zaccariah and Yahia existed during the same generation and time. No mention of Aaron and Moses in this story.

Moses and Aaron were from the same lineage and existed before that.
Mary was a sister from the same lineage. It is irrelevant whether Aaron and Moses were priests or messengers. They were descendants from the same family . That is all "sister of Aaron" points to and means.

But keep insisting on your error of mixing up the generations if you wish.
It does not matter to me , I am just pointing out to you that the guardian of Mary Zaccariah was from a different generation than Moses and Aaron. Hence Mary too.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Emre_1974tr

Brother Emre.

Brother Good Logic,

You continue in your false belief and insistence on confusing generations

I did not say that Mary did not live in the time of Zechariah. There is nothing here that confirms your belief.

The false Bible has taught you history and chronology wrongly. You can't get rid of your Christian past.

These people lived much further back in time than you've been told. And they lived in the same age as Moses and Aaron. After all, Mary is the sister of Moses and Aaron. Jesus is their nephew.

In the Qur'an, one verse does not have to mention the other persons. You should read the whole book and evaluate the whole book in its entirety.

David and Solomon lived after them.

Peace

jkhan

Peace...

One straight forward answer from me according to Quran is MARYAM is SISTER of HARUN who is BROTHER of MUSA.. If anyone not in a position to accept this glaring proof of Quran they have two reasons as under..
1..... Harun means not a name and Sister Here means not biological sister....
2.... Harun is not that Harun.. Lol I mean Harun here is not Musa's brother but just another Harun by same name..

Well.. all these they can accept but they can't accept Maryam was Sister of Prophet Harun.. Cuz.. Cuz.. They are indoctrinated to think Musa was 1000 years before Mohamed and Isa was 500 plus years before as Gregory and Hijri calendar indicates.. Well.. Let them be in their own perception... But Allah will guide who seeks..

Additionally... Notice the fact that

1.... Zakaria lived with Maryam while she was most probably an (orphan) little girl ... And at the same time Zakaria was very old...

2... Seriously note that this same Zakaria made a suplication to Allah after seeing Maryam for himself also his own child.. And stated about YAQUB... now don't tell me that this YAQUB is also not the Prophet Yaqub who is grandson of Ibrahim... Question is why did Zakaria took the name of YAQUB ... verse 196
"Who will inherit me and inherit from the family of Yaqub and make him, my Lord, pleasing "
Yes.. Above is Prophet Zakaria's statement ... Why would Zakaria take the name of Yaqub who according to historical analysis lived thousands of years before Zakaria... Nope.. Yaqub is not more than grand father of Zakaria...All are very close-by...

3.... Note well... Maryam was under Zakrias custody when she was a little girl... But when Musa was hidden in a box and let it float in a river Musa's sister was too a little girl but matured enough to go up to Pharoa family and inform them shrewdly as instructed to show a feeding mother.. So that girl cannot possibly be Maryam since Maryam is under custody of Zakaria but that girl was with her mother that is to say with the mother of Musa and not under anyone's custody.. .. It's obvious ... So it seems AALA imran had at least four children.. Formost well and truly Harun then that sister and then Musa and very late Maryam and she became an orphan ... And Maryam's mother really wanted her last child also to serve for Allah's service probably like her male children Harun and Musa.. But she didn't mind Maryam being a female..
Allah knows the best.. But QURAN verse Maryam being called Sister of Harun cannot be taken lightly and neglect just cuz history states otherwise ...

Yes many Messengers would have come after Musa.. Cuz it is for Bani Israel.. It's mercy.. How many they killed we don't know.. But Isa is not far from Musa save few decades. Even prophet Mohamed not far from Isa...
Addressing Bani Israels in Quran has a valid reason.. And addressing people of the scripture also has a valid reason... This prophet Mohamed didn't come to Mecca but to where Banee Israels and people of the book were and where Ummis also lived.. That's my take..

@emere..
Zabur... Well you have no proof to say Zabur came after Isa.. Perhaps it is.. First of all.. We don't know what Zabur is.. Is it really a book..? Three times mentioned in entire Quran.. But can't deduce that it is book though it seems.. What was given to Dawood cannot be considered as scripture.. It could be anything.. Even if Zabur means a scripture, Quran or Injeel or Torah doesn't need to confirm it.. Cuz.. Torah came to banee Israel and surrounding people so did Injeel and Quran also came to this same people banee Israel and people of previous scriptures and for Ummis and Allah made it a guidance for all anyway... Just Cuz QURAN doesn't confirm Zabur, you can't say it came later.. Significant point though, Quran doesn't confirm any other scriptures but only Torah and Injeel.. Similarly injeel confirms only Torah which came before it.. Cuz these books confirms, since it was revealed to Banee Israel and people of the scripture and Ummis... No need to confirm any other book which is not relevant to that area.. I don't see any connection of Dawood and Sulaiman and Ayyub etc etc with Banee Israel.. Injeel doesnt need to confirm a book which was revealed to some other region and about which people of the book and banee Israel has no idea..
The reason Quran confirms Torah and Injeel is cuz it is relevant to that people and area..
So don't think Zabur has any connection here.. Yes.. Dawood and Sulaiman could be after or before Isa but not where they lived and not relevant with Banee Israel.. If any glaring proof Sulaiman also of banee Israel pls substantiate..

This Islam No. 2 with all inventions of hadith would have come 1500 years before but not QURAN.. Quran came soon after Injeel ie just within few decades ... Banee Israel is proof for that.. Centuries old people cannot be called banee Israel forever.. Nonsense..

Emre_1974tr

Peace...

One straight forward answer from me according to Quran is MARYAM is SISTER of HARUN who is BROTHER of MUSA.. If anyone not

Peace Jkhan;

The Qur'an confirms all the holy books, including the books revealed to Abraham and other prophets. In short, it confirms all the previous ones. And these old books are no longer available.

2136 Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."

4163 We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Zabur. ((David, Solomon and Zabur are mentioned in the last place, i.e. closest to us in time)

Bajram_Hoxhaj

One straight forward answer from me according to Quran is MARYAM is SISTER of HARUN who is BROTHER of MUSA..

((David, Solomon and Zabur are mentioned in the last place, i.e. closest to us in time)

The main issue on this site, among the most ignorant online, is users' laziness and struggle to read or comprehend, not to mention their writing resembling preteen girls' texting.

Likewise, ask why 'they,' not Allah, called her by name and then by title?

1927-28 qālū (said they)
O Maryam! hath assuredly came thou thing of bewilderment
O sister Aaron! not kāna father your elder evil
and not kānat (f) mother your unchaste (immoral) of

What's not clear Min Ba`di, i.e., 'from after,' which denotes chronology?

287
and hath assuredly gave we of Musa the writ (book)
and sent we of from after him with the messengers
and gave we of Isa son Maryam the evidence

2246-253 from after Musa …
and slew David Goliath …
and gave we of Isa son Maryam the evidence

Why hard to comprehend this is a list of those inspired?

4163 indeed we inspires we of to you like inspires we of towards Noah
and the prophets from after him
and inspires we of towards Ibrahym
and Ismail
and Isaac
and Yakub
and the tribes
and Isa
and Ayyub
and Yunus
and Aaron
and Suleiman
and gave we of Dawood psalm of

Why hard to comprehend this is a list of those guided?

683-86
and those case ours gave we its Ibrahym …
and bequeath we of to him Isaac
and Yakub each of guide we of
and Noah of guide we of from before
and of progeny his Dawood
and Suleiman
and Ayyub
and Yusuf
and Musa
and Aaron
and like such we compensate those good doers
and Zakariyya
and Yahya
and Isa
and Elias each among the righteous
and Ismail
and Elisha
and Yunus
and Lut of
and each of bounty we of over the worlds inhabitants

hawk99

The verse does not say that others are figurative. He says that all the verses are in the plain first meaning. But it says that some verses have secondary and tertiary meanings besides their obvious primary meaning. Those who have diseases in their hearts try to accept the symbolic meaning by denying the obvious first meaning.

These methods are like saying "this is metaphorical" to a verse you don't like and deny it in a masked way. And then you try to show the symbolic meaning of the verse as the primary meaning. This cruelty is practiced by many people.

Peace,

You are entitled to your interpretation of the verse as it suits you my brother.
The verse is given as a guideline to disseminate which verses are for our daily lives
and stories from which we can draw knowledge wisdom and understanding.

God bless you

peace

Emre_1974tr

Peace,

You are entitled to your interpretation of the verse as it suits you my brother.
The verse is given as a guideline to disseminate which verses are for our daily lives
and stories from which we can draw knowledge wisdom and understanding.

God bless you

peace

Peace Hawk; I also have an article on this subject;

The Qur'an is not a book of symbols

The Qur'an repeatedly emphasizes that it contains clear verses

Surah al-Ma'idah 15 O People of the Book! Our Messenger has come to you. He makes clear to you much of what you have hidden from the Book, and passes over much of it. Verily, there has come to you a light from Allah and a clear Book.

Surah Yusuf Surah 1 Elif, Lâm, Râ. These are the verses of that clear and illuminated Book.

Surah Shu'ara 2 Here are the verses of the Book that make the truth clear to you.

The Qur'an is not a book of secrets and symbols, but a clear book that everyone can understand and that contains one-to-one real information. And this applies to all its verses. That's why we can read it directly and as the only source without the need for intermediaries, so-called holy people and so on.

The Qur'an is also the sole explanatory source of the Qur'an. If you read the book in its entirety and in its first clear meaning, you will see that the necessary details are given

Surah Al-Baqarah 242 This is how Allah explains His signs to you, in the hope that you may use your minds.

Surat al-An'am 46 Say "Imagine, if Allah were to take away your hearing and your eyes and seal your hearts, which god besides Allah will restore them to you?" See how We explain the verses in various ways, yet they turn away!

Surah Al-Nur 18 Allah explains the verses to you in detail. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

Surat al-Baqarah 118 Those who lack knowledge said "What if Allah had spoken to us, or a sign had come to us?" And those before them said as they said, and their hearts were alike, and We have explained the verses well for those who want to know the truth clearly.

THE APOCALYPSE

It is for us to collect it and recite it.
So when We recite it, you watch its recitation.
Then it will be for us to explain it.

A subject or expression that is explained in one Surah can be explained in the same Surah, or it can be explained in other Surahs. Therefore, as we have said, it is essential to read the book in its entirety.

In fact, if all the verses of the Qur'an did not have the first clear meaning, there would be no religion at all. Then everyone would be able to form a religion according to their own minds. People would believe in the verses they like and call the verses they don't like "symbolic" and practice masked denial. And they would try to present the verse they declared symbolic as a religion by attributing meanings of their own invention to it. In other words, there would be no book, everyone would see what they wanted to see in the verses and establish their own religion, and intermediaries and clerics would be needed to interpret the book.

But thank God, our Lord has sent His book in a way that is easy and clear for everyone to understand. What is described in the verses is the exact truth and the Quran is complete in the field of religion.

By the way, let me answer 2 things that those who try to object to this issue try to put forward

There are those who try to claim that some verses do not have clear meanings, citing the use of colloquial expressions in the Qur'an as an example. But in fact, these idioms are also used in clear dictionary meanings, and again, they are clear that even a small child can understand them easily and the same as everyone else. For example, when we say "the sun borning/rises", everyone understands that this means that it is daytime. Again, there is no symbol or secret. Or expressions such as "the hand of Allah", "clinging to the rope of Allah" are also in the primary, dictionary meaning.

Or the phrase "to be darkened in the face" again has a clear dictionary meaning.

Apart from that, if the Qur'an is going to explain something by comparing it to something else, it makes that clear, and it gives what it is comparing it to. With expressions such as "This is like that, this is like the example of that", the Qur'an not only shows that it is making a comparison, but also explains what it is comparing what to what.

In one verse, after saying, "Do you know what a steep slope is?", he says, "That slope is freeing slaves", explaining that he likens freeing slaves to a slope. If he is making a simile, he explains it

MUNICIPALITY

But he was not thrown on the steep slope.
How do you know what a steep slope is?
It is to untie a captive neck (to free a slave).

14, 15, 16. Or feeding an orphan who is close to him on a day of severe hunger, or a poor person who is crawling on the ground.

Let us give examples of verses where such analogies are used

Surah Al-Baqarah 74 Then after that your hearts hardened again, and it is like a stone, perhaps even harder, and there are some stones from which rivers gush forth, and there are some stones which split open and water comes out of them, and there are some which fall down for fear of Allah, and Allah is not heedless of what you do.

Surah Yunus Surah 27 And those who do evil will be recompensed in proportion to their evil deeds. But their faces will be covered with humiliation. There is no one to save them from Allah. It is as if their faces are covered with darkness from the parts of the night. These are the companions of the Fire. They will abide in it forever.

Surah Al-Hajj 31 And as believers, associating no partners with Allah He who associates partners with Allah is as if he had fallen from the sky and the birds snatch him up, or as if the wind had blown him away.

Or do you think that most of them hear and reason and think? They are like animals, even more bewildered than animals in their way.

Here, too, it is clearly explained exactly what is likened to what. So again there is no unknown, no secret-symbol. The verse gives one-to-one information. Their interpretation does not change from person to person, because again the verses are clearly given in the first sense.

Now let us come to the verse that those who try to attribute symbolic meanings to the verses and try to shape the religion the way they want it to be, try to present as a basis

ALI IMIRAN

7- He has revealed this Book to you. Some of its verses are clear (muhkam), which are the essence of the Book. Others have a similar meaning (mutashabih). Those whose hearts are diseased go after those with similar meanings in order to mislead people and give them different meanings. No one knows their true meaning, except God and those with deep knowledge who say, "We believe in it, it is from our Lord." None take admonition except those who have understanding and wisdom.

Those who want to interpret the verses as they please claim that this verse means that parts of the Book are symbolic.

But in reality, it does not say that some of the verses are metaphorical and some are symbolic, that is, you can believe in what you want and disbelieve in what you want, or that you can accept the verse where it suits you and say "no, it is symbolic" where it does not suit you. THIS VERSE ALSO SAYS THAT ALL VERSES HAVE A CLEAR AND PRIMARY MEANING, BUT THAT SOME VERSES HAVE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY MEANINGS BESIDES THEIR PRIMARY AND OBVIOUS MEANINGS, AND THAT UNBELIEVERS WILL DENY THE OBVIOUS MEANING OF THE VERSES AND GO AFTER THESE SYMBOLIC MEANINGS.

Otherwise, if it were as the symbolists say, there would be no source at all, and everyone would go after their own fabrications.

All verses have the first clear meaning. First we accept this and consider the book as a whole. Then we will do some mental gymnastics on whether some verses have other secondary or tertiary meanings besides this clear first meaning. But first of all, we must have faith in the first clear meaning of those verses too. Otherwise, only Allah knows which verse has other meanings besides its original meaning and what those meanings are. People can only do mental gymnastics with imprecise statements such as "this verse may also have this meaning".

Unfortunately, many people today have the disease of denying the clear meaning of verses and attributing representative meanings to them in order to have their values and teachings confirmed by the book. This is nothing but an indirect or masked denial of the teaching of the Qur'an. Some people try to distort the plain meaning of clear verses by attributing symbolic meanings to paradise and hell, or to angels or jinns. Again, in this way, they may try to make things that are there in the verses appear to be absent and things that are not there appear to be there. In fact, this is how every book and every doctrine is validated. Because once something is said to be symbolic, it can be taken in any direction.

Therefore, we will read the Qur'an, which is the clear and only religious source, in its clear-first meaning and in its entirety. Then the true Islam in the Qur'an will be easily revealed, and the understanding of religion will not vary from person to person.

Greetings and love.

(My Turkish article translated with machine)

http//emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kuran-bir-semboller-kitab-degildir.html

Emre_1974tr

By the way, let me move my main article on the subject here

Jesus was the nephew of Prophets Moses and Aaron

And the Joshua of the False Torah is actually Jesus himself.

As the title of my article indicates, Prophet Jesus lived in a much older period than is believed, and as stated in the verses of the Qur'an, he was the nephew of Prophets Moses and Aaron. In other words, they lived in the same period. Of course, if Jesus lived a very long life, it means that he continued his adventure in the world for a long time after them.

As it is known, there is a Mary mentioned in the altered Torah we have, and her father's name is Imran, and her brothers' names are Moses and Aaron.

https//tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miryam

In the Qur'an, Mary is the daughter of Imran. We also see that in one verse she is addressed as "O sister of Aaron"

"O sister of Aaron! Your father was not an evil person. Nor was your mother unchaste." (19/2

Although this expression can also mean "descendant of Aaron". But here we are told that Mary was really Aaron's sister.

And in the false Torah on the market, Jesus, the nephew of Moses, is also mentioned. But his name is more commonly known as Joshua

https//tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye%C5%9Fu

"Joshua (or Joshua) (Hebrew יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Yehoshua; Greek Ἰησοῦς same as Jesus; Latin Josue or Jesus; Arabic يشع بن نون Joshua ibn Nun),"

As Wikipedia says, Joshua is already clearly spelt and read as "Jesus" in Greek and Latin.

In other words, there was no separate person named Joshua, as Christians and Jews think.

Joshua is Jesus himself.

Of course, as I mentioned, Jesus may have been a very long-lived person, and although he lived during the time of Moses, he may have continued his journey in the world life for a long time after him. In this case, it means that he was a guest in the world for centuries, just like Prophet Noah.

And Maryam is, of course, the sister of Aaron and Moses.

"O sister of Aaron! Your father was not an evil person. Nor was your mother unchaste." (Surah Maryam 2.

Ali Imran 50 "I am the verifier of that which is before me from the Torah, and I will make lawful for you some of what has been forbidden to you, and I have brought you a sign from your Lord. So beware of Allah and obey me."

What Jesus was referring to here were the prohibitions in the real Torah. That is to say, things that were actually lawful were made unlawful for the time being, and this punishment should be directed only against the guilty community. Those prohibitions were probably only a temporary punishment for one generation because of the sins of the Jews. And here Jesus must be giving good news that his children and grandchildren will not have to suffer the same punishment for the offence committed by that community. After all, why should the special prohibitions given to punish that Jewish community be applied for centuries to their descendants or to other communities who later became believers? That is why shortly after the Torah was presented to mankind, Jesus transmitted the Gospel to mankind and announced that these punitive prohibitions were no longer in force (Of course, we are talking about the original, not the fake Gospels, i.e. hadith books, that are now on the market).

Surah Al-Anam 146 We have forbidden to the Jews all hoofed animals, and We have also forbidden them the fat of cattle and sheep, except the fat of the backs and intestines of cattle and sheep and the fat mixed with the bones. We did this to them as a punishment for their transgression. Surely We are the keepers of Our word.

These criminal prohibitions are, as I said, the prohibition in the Torah of clean things that are normally lawful only for the guilty community. However, their future children and grandchildren are not guilty of any offence in this matter, nor are those who converted to the religion later on, or those from other societies. In this context, it seems plausible that after the Torah came the Gospel, or after Moses came Jesus with a new book, and that there were no such centuries between them.

And if this is the case, then shortly after these prohibitions, during his prophethood, Prophet Jesus announced that these prohibitions were abolished and that all clean blessings were now lawful for the Jews as well, in line with the statement in the verse (Ali Imran 50.)...

By the way, after researching foreign sources, some people have realised that the prophet Joshua could actually be Jesus.

http//www.eliyah.com/nameson.htm

Some of the researchers who recognise Jesus and Joshua as the same person also claim that he was the famous ruler Tutankhamun.

When we analyse whether there is a connection between Jesus and Moses in today's false Gospels (which are actually books of hadith), we can see the following

Matthew Chapter 17 Jesus' appearance changes

(Mar 92-13; Luke 928-36)

"After six days Jesus went up on a high mountain, taking with Him only Peter and James and James' brother John. 2. There, before their eyes, Jesus' appearance changed. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became white as light. 3. At that moment Moses and Elijah appeared to the disciples. They were talking to Jesus".

Of course, let us remind you again that the books called Gospels, Psalms or Torah that are currently on the market are human-written books of hadith. That is, they are not the real ones.

The Qur'an already states that they hid their true books

Surah Al-An'am 91 They could not recognise Allah in a manner worthy of His glory. For they said, "Allah has not revealed anything to man". Say "Who sent down the Book which Moses brought to mankind as a light and a guide? And you bring forth that Book in scrolls, and you keep many of them hidden. You have been taught what neither you nor your fathers knew." Say, "Allah", then let them play in the mire in which they are mired.

Say "We believe in Allah and in that which has been sent down to us, and in that which was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and his descendants, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which was given to the other Prophets. We are only those who submit to Him/Allah."

Notice that in this verse, the name of Prophet Jesus is mentioned right after Moses...

Remember when We sent to them two men, but they denied them. Then We supported them with a third person. They had said "We are the messengers sent to you!" (Surah Yasin, verse 14).

There are examples of more than one messenger being sent in the same or nearby period and place...

In short, this means that we are faced with another miracle of the Qur'an and it provides us with the following information

1- The Qur'an shows that the 2 different Marys mentioned in the false Torah and Gospels in the market are actually the same person.

2- The Qur'an is the only one that has shown that the Prophets Joshua and Jesus, who are thought to be different people in the altered Torah and Gospels, are actually the same person (there is no separate name called Joshua anyway...).

In other words, although there is an excerpt from the life story of Jesus in the false Torah, not many people realise this because of the error of the name and the partial alteration of the story.

But thanks to the Qur'an, we have learnt this fact.

3- We understand from the Qur'anic verses that Prophet Jesus was the nephew of Prophets Moses and Aaron, and that he was born in a much older age than is known.

4- We can conclude that the time between the transmission of the true Torah and the Gospel to mankind was not as long as it is believed.

5- We can also reach the possibility that Prophet Jesus may have lived a very long life in our world, contrary to the general belief.

By the way, let us remember that all the prophets are currently living in the Hereafter Universe called the Lord's Floor (so Prophet Jesus, like all the other messengers, is already living in paradise)

http//emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html

Furthermore, the following verse suggests that Jesus may have married and had children on earth, just like the other prophets

-And We sent messengers before you, and We gave them wives and children, and no messenger can bring any miracle except by the permission of Allah. There is a writing for every period of time (Surat al-Rad, verse 3.

Of course, the birth of Prophet Jesus may also coincide with the period after the exodus of Moses and Aaron from Egypt with their people.

6- This explains the origin of legends dating back thousands of years before Christ, which overlap with the life of Jesus. Since Jesus was born in a much older age than is believed, characters with a life story similar to his have appeared from that time to the present day, but with different names. For example Osiris and Horus... In other words, the story of Jesus was not taken from them, as some people think, but on the contrary, since Jesus lived much earlier, their story was taken from the life of the prophet. But of course, unfortunately, they deified the prophet and turned him into a shirk legend which they worshipped, and Christianity is based on a modified pagan version of this story.

Speaking of the miracles of the Qur'an and ancient Egypt during the time of the Prophet Moses, let us share a new observation (a few people made this observation a few years ago)

2838 Whereupon Pharaoh said �O you nobles! I did not know that you could have any deity other than myselfWell, then, O Haman, kindle me a fire for clay, and then build me a lofty tower, that haply I may have a look at the god of Moses although, behold, I am convinced that he is of those who tell lies!"

From the verse, we understand that the rulers of the ancient Egyptian civilisation used baked clay in their important constructions.

And for centuries, researchers and geologists interested in this ancient Egyptian civilisation thought that the Egyptian pyramids were built by cutting limestone from a nearby quarry and transporting it up ramps. But today, electron microscopes have revealed that the upper blocks have chemistry found nowhere else in nature. These upper blocks were baked and then poured like modern cement, that is, they were not cut from existing limestone. In other words, it turned out that some of the stones that made up the pyramids were made of baked clay/mud. And nobody knew this until today, it was a construction technique that the pharaohs kept secret from other civilisations...

The mystery in the pyramids has recently been solved and this discovery confirmed the information given in verse 38 of Surah Kasas. In the ancient Egyptian civilisation, baked mud was indeed used in the construction of important structures.

https//www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html

https//www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/pyramids/pyramids-3-the-formula-the-invention-of-stone/

(My Turkish article translated with machine)

Peace

jkhan

Peace Jkhan;

The Qur'an confirms all the holy books, including the books revealed to Abraham and other prophets. In short, it confirms all the previous ones. And these old books are no longer available.

2136 Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."

4163 We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Zabur. ((David, Solomon and Zabur are mentioned in the last place, i.e. closest to us in time)

Salam.. Brother Emere..

Yes.. I do absolutely know we are to believe in all previous books as verse 2285 rightly states but Isa came and confirmed Torah and pointed out what they hid and similarly Quran came and confirmed both Torah and Injeel and pointed out most what they concealed.. Quran or injeel didn't come and address anyone one else and pointed out what they hid... You know what I mean and needless to extend to a debate..
I and you believe what is revealed to Nuh or people of Hud or salih Shoib Ibrahim Lut etc etc.. And needless to know what is written in them..just believe.. Just don't compare that to what is confirming .. Indeed Quran literally confirms the history of all messengers even they were mentioned it not..it's part of faith.. This confirmation is literally meant directly to people who held the scriptures of Torah and Injeel a d QURAN.. But I have no objection to your way of perceiving.. But truth is one.. Let's seek it..

Thank you...