Qur’ān Propounded Translation Methodology for transference to Non-Arab World
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In a few years, artificial intelligence will be able to provide the best and most unbiased translation of the Quran.
Peace
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Artificial intelligence is what is fed by man.
No;
According to the tests I have done, they already have the ability to think free and original at primary school level. Soon this will reach the high school and university age level and they will be smarter than humans.
In chess, they have started to produce new strategies that even the producers of the chess programs themselves cannot understand.
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No;
According to the tests I have done, they already have the ability to think free and original at primary school level. Soon this will reach the high school and university age level and they will be smarter than humans.
In chess, they have started to produce new strategies that even the producers of the chess programs themselves cannot understand.
No brother... You should have a heap of courage to claim that..
Neither AI nor AGI has the ability to produce other than what they have already been programmed.. Simply AI has no FREEWILL, so the new output would come out from them but only what is expected of results would they produce..Even in a normal computer chess game, if you can't win it means the computer is well-programmed to defeat your moves.. So AI is even more advanced..
If human creates, they can create what humans can think of and not beyond it..
Can AI produce a Quran similar to it? Even if it produces, it will only produce what humans can also produce, it won't produce anything beyond what humans can produce because the knowledge of humans is inserted into AI and not the free will of the human by which innovation is produced.. A creature that is not on its own can never innovate..
The artificial brain of the human brain.. lol.. human brain is a memory of knowledge cultivated through THINKING/REFLECTING but unfortunately, AI or AI cannot think..
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No brother... You should have a heap of courage to claim that..
Neither AI n.No, brother. It's the other way around. You are ignorant and speaking without support.
I can't blame you though, even the experts on this subject had the same erroneous opinion as you until yesterday.
As I said, they have already reached the primary school level. Soon they will surpass us. They may even have already surpassed our intelligence in the version they are hiding from us.
As for chess, they started to come up with new and original strategies that even the producers of that program could not understand.
In fact, new chess programs are now learning the game from scratch by playing thousands of matches on their own.
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well... I communicated with all the support as of now... Never will AI or AGI would reflect on their own but with what they have produced.. Yes, they will take over people since most on Earth are ignorant ... The knowledge of the creator of the AI is beyond people like you and me, so it would look like they would take over.. Because of the high intelligence infused into them..
Don't get duped by what they say... wait patiently and let them produce an AI that can reflect on its own.. have some patience.. Don't rush.. but accept technology.. but don't fall prey to it.. as you wish though brother..
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Peace All.
Anything made by GOD s creation can never challenge GOD and His plan
So what has AI got? Where is it going to acquire knowledge it does not posses or it can never have?Only GOD ,the all knowledgeable ,has the laws , the power and the wisdom to create and perfect His creation.
Or who thinks AI is not limited in knowledge and power?
Both people and their AI/whatever they produce will always be limited in knowledge. !Wa Ma Outitum Mina Al Ilm Illa Kalila" . Yes we have a minute of minutes of GOD s knowledge folks.
Besides everything we encounter is in GOD s plan anyway.
Do not be surprised or concerned if a new translation of Qoran by AI is put out there or if some AI claims to be messenger or another god with GOD.
The work of Satan and his human devils are many and varied.
Brother Mazhar and good logic along with everyone else beware! The devil could easily pull the wool over our eyes thinking we are with GOD and His system.
GOD bless.
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Where is it going to acquire knowledge it does not posses or it can never have?
Yes... As long as AI doesn't reflect on its own it will never happen..
Simply, let them create an AI with empty brain and let it reflect on its own and save on memory and let the AI produce what ever it can... Then I do agree it reflects on its own.. And I do agree that challenge of 2273 is accomplished..
Allah created all human with empty brain and whatever human acquired knowledge was with vision and hearing
and reflection and saved in Memory as knowledge and wisdom...
So robotic or AI engineers can produce an AI with empty brain and let AI develop in its own and that's what called self perceived knowledge... Whatever you see now is human transpired knowledge and not more than that..Thank you
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No, brother. It's the other way around. You are ignorant and speaking without support.
I can't blame you though, even the experts on this subject had the same erroneous opinion as you until yesterday.
As I said, they have already reached the primary school level. Soon they will surpass us. They may even have already surpassed our intelligence in the version they are hiding from us.
As for chess, they started to come up with new and original strategies that even the producers of that program could not understand.
In fact, new chess programs are now learning the game from scratch by playing thousands of matches on their own.
Artificial intelligence will be both smarter than us and will be integrated into robots that will be able to do all professions.
By the way, I haven't even mentioned the integration of quantum computers and artificial intelligence. Then even more awesome things will happen.
And they will be able to interpret or translate the Quran with an unbiased eye.
Of course, the fact that people with malicious intentions will be able to influence AI or use it for their own benefit is another aspect of it, or that jinns will be able to influence AI and use it for evil is another aspect of it.
What I am talking about here is the fact that if this technology is used with good intentions and if it is not interfered with to think freely, it will turn into a great blessing.
It can do in a few minutes what humans cannot do in millions of years.
Already in the near future, artificial intelligence will be able to write an original novel of thousands of pages in a second. And it will be able to turn that novel into a movie in a second (including original music and songs, with images no different from 3D photographs)
peace
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Artificial intelligence will be both smarter than us and will be integrated into robots that will be able to do all professions.
By the way, I haven't even mentioned the integration of quantum computers and artificial intelligence. Then even more awesome things will happen.
And they will be able to interpret or translate the Quran with an unbiased eye.
Of course, the fact that people with malicious intentions will be able to influence AI or use it for their own benefit is another aspect of it, or that jinns will be able to influence AI and use it for evil is another aspect of it.
What I am talking about here is the fact that if this technology is used with good intentions and if it is not interfered with to think freely, it will turn into a great blessing.
It can do in a few minutes what humans cannot do in millions of years.
Already in the near future, artificial intelligence will be able to write an original novel of thousands of pages in a second. And it will be able to turn that novel into a movie in a second (including original music and songs, with images no different from 3D photographs)
peace
And as I said, they have started to be able to think at primary school level, they can accept that the information they have been fed is wrong and they can move on to a whole new view.
In chess, they are making original strategies that even their makers didn't teach them, that even their makers couldn't understand. Not only in chess, but also in other strategy games like Go.
I see that most of the people who write here don't follow the developments at all. Artificial intelligence is learning to play the game from scratch. Only the rules of the game are loaded into the program, everything else the AI learns and improves on its own by playing thousands of matches with itself.
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Good discussion between Emre_1974tr and JKhn.
Better for Emre to please define in simple terms as to what is AI. How is it being created and fed to the machine?
Obviously a machine can't function without inserting in it the guidance and providing it energy/force to start.Can AI be considered as attempt to make a brain?
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Yes... As long as AI doesn't reflect on its own it will never happen..
Simply, let them create an AI with empty brain and let it reflect on its own and save on memory and let the AI produce what ever it can... Then I do agree it reflects on its own.. And I do agree that challenge of 2273 is accomplished..
Allah created all human with empty brain and whatever human acquired knowledge was with vision and hearing
and reflection and saved in Memory as knowledge and wisdom...
So robotic or AI engineers can produce an AI with empty brain and let AI develop in its own and that's what called self perceived knowledge... Whatever you see now is human transpired knowledge and not more than that..Thank you
Exactly. That is the point.
5.9. In psycholinguistics, speech comprehension refers to one's acquisition and understanding of linguistic input received in verbal form. That is, whether or not and how well one is able to understand spoken words. Reading comprehension is defined as the level of understanding of a text. This understanding comes from the interaction between the words that are written. Proficient reading depends on the ability to recognize words quickly and effortlessly. Reading is not all that matters. We have to comprehend what we read because without comprehension, reading is a wasted effort.
5.10. The language being communication through stream of sound, it could have meaning and affect only when auditory instrument and faculty of hearing and listening was already in place in the recipient. Allah the Exalted has inserted faculties of learning and acquiring knowledge which Man lacks on birth
وَٱللَّهُ أَخْرَجَكُـم مِّنۢ بُطُونِ أُمَّهَٟتِكُـمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ شَيْــٔٙا
وَجَعَلَ لَـكُـمُ ٱلْسَّمْعَ وَٱلۡأَبْصَٟرَ وَٱلۡأَفْـِٔدَةَۚ لَعَلَّـكُـمْ تَشْكُـرُونَ ٧٨Realize it; Allah the Exalted brought you people out of the bellies of your respective mothers —In the state that you had no knowledge about physical realm. Realize it, He the Exalted have inserted and rendered some instruments as the listening - acoustic faculty; and other the observing - optical faculty; and few others as for Processing-Integrating-Perceiving Baking establishment the Brains as locus of gaining knowledge and enlightenment for you people. This realization might enable you people to express praises-thanks.
5.11. The delicate information is in the omission of first object of verb (جَعَل) in the compound sentence and sequencing of faculties. Action signified by the Verb جَعَلَ always occurs after خَلَقَ a thing has been created. It is rendering an already existing thing as something different and particular. Therefore, it needs two objects, one that already exists and the one after rendition. It necessarily means the already existing thing did have the potential to be rendered as such. It is only matter of time and occasion of so rendition. Today we are aware every development and rendition is already specifically mentioned in the DNA of Zygote عَلَقٛ.* The ascending order of placement of words representing faculties-senses might be of interest for scholars and researchers who are interested in examining questions like the encoding, store, retrieval information, development of discrimination abilities, perceptual and conceptual category formation, problem solving, recognition and recall memory, language comprehension, and reasoning about the physical and social worlds, etc.
5.12. The first faculty is mentioned by definite Verbal Noun ٱلْسَّمْعَ followed by a plural Noun ٱلۡأَبْصَٟرَ. The use of this pair of a verbal noun and plural noun signifying two distinct sensory faculties is quite reflective and meaningful. A verbal noun signifies state or an act without time reference. Man is in a state of hearing sounds, voices all the time; whether or not he is wilfully interested in percipient listening of something. Therefore, sounds arriving in brain may remain just as "hearing" of pleasant or annoying noises; or may cause conceptual perception knowledge when these are "listened". However, the brain does hear and analyze the incoming sound during sleep without person's conscious-voluntary effort.
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Can AI be considered as attempt to make a brain?
It can be thought of as an artificial brain.
And it will be a brain that can do in minutes what you can think and calculate in millions of years.
Tanks are also made by humans, but tanks are more robust than humans.
People also make airplanes, but airplanes can go higher than humans.
In the same way, human beings are producing an intelligence that is smarter than themselves.
And as I said, they have started to think freely and originally. They had already started, but now it has reached a level that even those who don't believe in it can see. They have the intelligence of a child in the versions that are given to us for free now. In the versions not shown to us, they are certainly even more advanced. and tomorrow they will be much more advanced.
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It can be thought of as an artificial brain.
And it will be a brain that can do in minutes what you can think and calculate in millions of years.
Tanks are also made by humans, but tanks are more robust than humans.
People also make airplanes, but airplanes can go higher than humans.
In the same way, human beings are producing an intelligence that is smarter than themselves.
And as I said, they have started to think freely and originally. They had already started, but now it has reached a level that even those who don't believe in it can see. They have the intelligence of a child in the versions that are given to us for free now. In the versions not shown to us, they are certainly even more advanced. and tomorrow they will be much more advanced.
However fact remains. Everything is penned down
وَكُلُّ صَغِيـرٛ وَكَبِيـرٛ مُّسْتَطَرٌ ٥٣
Mind it, each and every thing of small and large manifestation and ramification is penned down.
All that exists owes its existence and thereby its cognition-knowledge to the Exalted Creator. All that exists and gets known is, in fact and essence, the desire, decision and act of creation undertaken by the Creator. The act of creating something is signified by the Arabic word خَلْقُ a verbal noun signifying an act, phenomenon, mechanism, activity, undertaking, without specific time reference.
لَخَلْقُ ٱلسَّمَٟوَٟتِ وَٱلۡأَرْضِ أَكْـبَـرُ مِنْ خَلْقِ ٱلنَّاسِ
وَلَـٰكِنَّ أَكْـثَرَ ٱلنَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ٥٧
Certainly, the act of Creation of the Skies and the Earth is comparatively a greater assignment - undertaking than the act of the creation of the species-Human Being. However, most of the people remain in the state of not accepting/realizing this fact/reality .It أَكْـبَـرُ is an Elative Noun signifying either comparative or superlative state. Here it is comparative. It signifies comparative magnificence, volume, manifestations, dimensions, anything real or abstract which can be referred in measured tones. Here it is restricted in its predication to the verbal noun خَلْقُ, the act of creation with regard to the pair-Skies and Earth and Species Human Being. However, it does not depict as to who, خُلُقُ the object taking existence by the act of creation, is more dignified, elevated, loved, preferred, or great in honour in the desire, decision and judgment of the Creator.
The Great, in the real sense of the word, is the one who is the consideration and cause of all creation, not the one who involves a bigger effort, volume, dimensions, vastness, magnitude and quantum. Here is the Verdict of the Creator, regarding the desire, purpose and object on the back of creation of all that exists as per our knowledge
وَهُوَ ٱلَّذِى خَلَق ٱلسَّمَٟوَٟتِ وَٱلۡأَرْضَ فِـى سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٛوَكَانَ عَـرْشُهُۥ عَلَـى ٱلْمَآءِ
لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُـمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلٙاۗ
Moreover, He the Exalted is the One Who created the Skies and the Earth in a time duration of six days . -- And His Throne, the Seat of Supreme Sovereignty, is ever located above the Water --.
The purpose and consideration of this creative activity was that He the Exalted might expose, by subjecting to a test, as to who amongst you people is more appropriate-balanced-beautiful-moderate with regard to conduct, behaviour and actions.
إِنَّا جَعَلْنَا مَا عَلَـى ٱلْأَرْضِ زِينَةًۭ لَّـهَا لِنَبْلُوَهُـمْ أَيُّـهُـمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلًۭا٧
It is a fact that Our Majesty has rendered and declared that which exists on the Earth as appealing - attraction for her — The purpose and consideration for rendering it attractive is that Our Majesty might expose them by subjecting to a test as to who amongst them is more appropriate-balanced-beautiful-moderate with regard to conduct, behaviour and actions.
ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ ٱلْمَوْتَ وَ ٱلْحَيَوٰةَ لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُـمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلًۭاۚ
The Omnipresent, the Perpetual, the Absolute is the One Who created the matter and the life — The purpose and consideration of this creative activity was that He the Exalted might expose by subjecting to a test as to who amongst you people is more appropriate-balanced-beautiful-moderate with regard to conduct, behaviour and actions.
It is thus unambiguously made evident that creation of the Skies and the Earth, and that which is present over and in the Earth, has no importance and worth for its own sake. Its creation and existence is only to serve a purpose which relates to us-Human species. The elative noun أَكْـبَـرُ with reference to the magnitude, vastness and involved time with regard to the creation of the Skies and the Earth, in relation to the act of creation of Human Being, rather reflects the importance and superiority given to Man in the whole realm of creation and creative activity. -
Dear Enre, is this sentence not self contradictory?
In the same way, human beings are producing an intelligence that is smarter than themselves.
No, it is an engineering, technology process.
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How can a thing - machine be considered smarter than its creator? Would the basic definition of machine apply to AI?
Just as a tank can be more powerful or a car can go faster than a human being, this is a process of engineering.
Features such as more processors than the human brain, much faster thinking power, etc. are being developed more and more every day.
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Just as a tank can be more powerful or a car can go faster than a human being, this is a process of engineering.
Features such as more processors than the human brain, much faster thinking power, etc. are being developed more and more every day.
That is what it is. Who is developing it? Obviously some brainy human who is trying to use his brain to optimum capacity.
My request was you share how AI is developed --procedure - algorithm etc.
This is my area of interest how to introduce biological translation theory on the analogy of synthesis of protein encoding genes of Messenger rna; or photosynthesis, or digestive system, and white light absorption in seven layers.
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Peace Mazhar.
Just as a side line,for your information, this verses وَكُلُّ صَغِيـرٛ وَكَبِيـرٛ مُّسْتَطَرٌ does not mean what you said here, quote
" each and every thing of small and large manifestation and ramification is penned down. "That verses is about outcome of older generations- Every thing they did, small and large, is written down/recorded in the scriptures. مُّسْتَطَرٌ is from the root sa ta ra means write. example نُونْ وَالقَلَمِ وَما يَسطُرونَ N the pen, and what they (the people) write.*
يَسطُرونَ means write down مُّسْتَطَرٌ is written down/recorded.
Here is the context of the verse
We annihilated your counterparts/older generations. Does any of you wish to learn?
وَلَقَد أَهلَكنا أَشياعَكُم فَهَل مِن مُدَّكِرٍ
Everything they did is in the scriptures.
وَكُلُّ شَىءٍ فَعَلوهُ فِى الزُّبُرِ
Everything, small or large, is written down./recorded
وَكُلُّ صَغيرٍ وَكَبيرٍ مُستَطَرٌThank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
