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    centi50
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    Salam to all,

    Can anyone tell me what is men's Awrah and women's Awrah as per the Quran.

    God bless all

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      Bajram_Hoxhaj
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      Salam to all,

      Can anyone tell me what is men's Awrah and women's Awrah as per the Quran.

      God bless all

      If going by the Qur'an, both men and women should cover their private parts, and women should also cover their breasts.

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        centi50
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        If going by the Qur'an, both men and women should cover their private parts, and women should also cover their breasts.

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        Salam bro,

        So a woman can show her thighs and men show their chest. And both men and woman can wear tights that shows her the outline of her body and Aman wear tight t-shirts to show his physique.

        I know a woman is required to cover her chest and guard her private parts and not to walk In way as to attract attention

        But I have a don't understand what constitute Awrah and zinnathuna.

        As per my understanding I take zinnathuna as all extra stuff that can make a woman more beautiful. This can be makeup and ornaments.

        What is your understanding brother.

        I welcome your understanding and understanding from other members here

        God bless you all

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          jkhan
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          Salam to all,

          Can anyone tell me what is men's Awrah and women's Awrah as per the Quran.

          God bless all

          salam Centi again..

          Hey, why don't you bring Quran verses and explain whatever you take..
          Let's see what you have understood so far rather than asking what is Awra as per Quran.. you might have read the Quran verses relevant to what you refer.. right..
          thank you, lovely brother..

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            Bajram_Hoxhaj
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            Salam bro,

            So a woman can show her thighs and men show their chest. And both men and woman can wear tights that shows her the outline of her body and Aman wear tight t-shirts to show his physique.

            I know a woman is required to cover her chest and guard her private parts and not to walk In way as to attract attention

            But I have a don't understand what constitute Awrah and zinnathuna.

            As per my understanding I take zinnathuna as all extra stuff that can make a woman more beautiful. This can be makeup and ornaments.

            What is your understanding brother.

            I welcome your understanding and understanding from other members here

            God bless you all

            Salaam,

            731 O offspring Adam take ye of (Zīnatakum) adornment yours near every gathering place

            2430 say to those believers (males)
            lower they of from eye sights theirs
            and guarded they of intimate parts theirs

            2431 and say to those believers (females)
            lower they from eye sights (gazes) theirs
            and guarded they (Furūjahunna) intimate parts theirs
            and not divulged they (Zīnatahunna) adornment theirs except what apparent from it
            and to striketh they (Bikhumurihinna) with cover (any cover) theirs over breasts theirs
            and not divulged they (Zīnatahunna) adornment ('boobs&#39 theirs except to husbands theirs
            or fathers theirs
            or fathers husbands theirs
            or sons theirs
            or sons of husbands theirs
            or brothers theirs
            or sons brothers theirs
            or sons sisters theirs
            or womenfolk (female relatives, etc.) theirs
            or what entrust right hands theirs
            or the attendants other than holders the desires (arousal) among the menfolk
            or the young (prepuberty) the ones not cognizant they of on nakedness the womenfolk
            and not striketh they with feet theirs to maketh known what concealed they from (Zīnatihinna) adornment theirs
            and turn (repent) ye of towards الله altogether of you those believing perhaps you succeeding

            Example breastfeeding allowed with close family only.

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              centi50
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              Salaam,

              731 O offspring Adam take ye of (Zīnatakum) adornment yours near every gathering place

              2430 say to those believers (males)
              lower they of from eye sights theirs
              and guarded they of intimate parts theirs

              2431 and say to those believers (females)
              lower they from eye sights (gazes) theirs
              and guarded they (Furūjahunna) intimate parts theirs
              and not divulged they (Zīnatahunna) adornment theirs except what apparent from it
              and to striketh they (Bikhumurihinna) with cover (any cover) theirs over breasts theirs
              and not divulged they (Zīnatahunna) adornment ('boobs&#39 theirs except to husbands theirs
              or fathers theirs
              or fathers husbands theirs
              or sons theirs
              or sons of husbands theirs
              or brothers theirs
              or sons brothers theirs
              or sons sisters theirs
              or womenfolk (female relatives, etc.) theirs
              or what entrust right hands theirs
              or the attendants other than holders the desires (arousal) among the menfolk
              or the young (prepuberty) the ones not cognizant they of on nakedness the womenfolk
              and not striketh they with feet theirs to maketh known what concealed they from (Zīnatihinna) adornment theirs
              and turn (repent) ye of towards الله altogether of you those believing perhaps you succeeding

              Example breastfeeding allowed with close family only.

              Salam bro,

              Correct me if am wrong in understanding. Adornment is boobs? Or what constitute zinathunna?

              and not divulged they (Zīnatahunna) adornment ('boobs&#39 theirs except to husbands theirs
              or fathers theirs
              or fathers husbands theirs
              or sons theirs
              or sons of husbands theirs
              or brothers theirs
              or sons brothers theirs
              or sons sisters theirs
              or womenfolk (female relatives, etc.) theirs
              or what entrust right hands theirs
              or the attendants other than holders the desires (arousal) among the menfolk

              So they can display their boobs to their fathers and those mentioned above?

              Please make me understand

              God bless

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                jkhan
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                Peace… Centi 50 and others who are interested in...

                My comprehensive understanding as of now… first of all no way a woman can show her breast to anyone in day-to-day life ….
                Zinath is used in many places and depends on the context of verses… Though the core meaning is not anything else it is like splendor… what splendor is the concern for you when it comes to a woman… fair enough call.. Every creature has its splendor be it moving creatures or not.. The Woman is created like any other creature with her natural splendors and does not necessarily she should subdue them… for example, a normal woman may have a natural smile, laughter, sumptuous way of talking, walking style, beautiful expressions, body shape and so on that are naturally inbuilt with her and she wants to live with it.. But these are splendors or simply beauties of her which makes her a complete womanly splendor by nature and these do attract the attention and subject to admiration of others. But Allah doesn’t want such characteristics to be exposed to anyone other than those mentioned in the list.. So, in public, she has to redefine her characteristics restricting herself (unnecessary physical exposure, expressions and behaviors, etc.) within a frame that could unnecessarily bring forth attention and admiration or evil thoughts for others. If she behaves identically and maintains all her natural characteristics which she used to with her family background that won’t help her in a broader sense since everyone’s vision of her is not the same as hearts are evil for most people. But she is not blamed for what naturally exposed her even after her confinement intentionally..
                In a nutshell, don’t try to behave to draw the attention of others save what is on the list.. for the family splendors of a woman that is pleasing to the heart and eyes so she can be natural, and no need to please the public similarly..

                My understanding is subjected to constructive criticism but logically that’s what Allah has explained in the Quran in one phrase (La Yobeedu Zinathhunna/ don’t reveal your splendors).. I remain with that understanding..
                Now one would wonder, what a woman should typically wear is it as traditional Muslims do wear.. No.. but a modest dress and that’s what sounds from the Quran.. her dress choice is one of the SPLENDORS (ZINATH) but it depends on her choice and whether it attracts the attention and admiration and evil thoughts of others unnecessarily and if that’s the main reason she opted to wear them as well.. That’s the difference in intention.. Zinath is free for human beings to use.. Zinath is of Allah’s blessings.. but how to use is what matters.. More than dress code, a woman can attract especially men in many ways as I explained above… So she is not free to expose her splendors..
                But note well, Allah has not given that much weight to these simple instructions and is not subjected to punishment.. Allah looks at the hearts of people i.e. intention… Allah has recommended that women benefit indirectly but depending on diverse societies and social acceptances its strength of benefit.. But Allah’s recommendations always help if we use them as believers especially..

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                  Bajram_Hoxhaj
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                  Salam bro,

                  Correct me if am wrong in understanding. Adornment is boobs? Or what constitute zinathunna?

                  Salaam

                  It depends on usage

                  731 Zīnatakum (clothes theirs, etc)
                  732 Zīnata (gifts, etc)
                  2431
                  and guarded they intimate parts theirs (genitalia)
                  and not divulged they Zīnatahunna (genitalia) except what apparent from it

                  and to striketh they with cover theirs over boobs theirs
                  and not divulged they Zīnatahunna (boobs theirs)

                  2879 Zīnatihi (adornment his), obviously he wasn't displaying his boobs.

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