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    Shabir
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    I found this book online, which talks about many different topics of Islam and Islamic rituals in a different perspective. The writer explains the meanings of many Q’uranic words from the Quran itself with logical explanations and examples. Though it makes sense to me much of what he/she has written, it is fascinating that I haven’t heard those from a Muslim scholar. Though, I am not religious, I like the way he has used his analytical skills. Please have a read. I like to hear your opinions.
    https//thequrantheuntoldtruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/The-book.pdf

    Thank you.

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      good_logic
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      Peace Shabir.
      I agree with many things said in this book. The author takes a path similar to many pioneers and believers seeking the guidance from the creator and sustainer of life.

      This ,for me, is spot on and defines why people deviate from the truth when they take on a religion of traditional Islam ,then try to fit Qoran into it by following Hadiths, quote
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      When I say ‘religionists’, I mean the ruling elites along
      with the priesthood from the bygone era who committed the
      false doctrine of ritualism and dogmatism to the quran. This
      false doctrine of ritualism and dogmatism were then carried on
      throughout history and inherited by the present generation of
      ruling elites and the priesthood, who now act as the gatekeepers
      of the Quranic interpretation. The quran is for the whole
      mankind; no single race or community has the permission or the
      authority to be its guardians in interpretation. The mankind
      should feel at ease to treat the quran as a gift from the creator
      and invoke HIS guidance in learning and understanding it with
      an open mind, perchance they may be awakened.
      It is a big mistake to treat the quran as a religious book,

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      as the religious orthodoxies would want us to believe. Contrary
      to this belief, there is nothing religious about the quran at all. In
      fact, it strongly condemns all religious rites, rituals, dogmas and
      practices as idolization. It is equally a big mistake to assume that
      we need to believe in a religion to serve God and to follow HIS
      scriptures.
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      Believing in the quran and following it doesn’t make one
      belonging to any religion, but blind following does. Similarly,
      ‘islam’ is not a religion, but the proper noun Islam is. (Note the
      capitalizing). The word ‘islam’ is an attribute, not a proper noun,
      title nor a badge of honour. Therefore, no one has the exclusive
      right to use it as identification.
      As long as you understand this and are comfortable in using this
      Arabic word ‘islam’, you will have no dispute in agreeing that all
      the prophets including Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Jesus &
      Mohamed were all following the same ‘deen’ called ‘al islam’(the
      peacefulness) for self-actualization and salvation. The islam is
      for all of mankind and therefore the quran is for all of mankind
      as well. This is exactly what allah says in the quran.
      The disputes between the religious factions of Judaism,
      Christianity and Islam stem from the assumption that the 3
      respective prophets that they revere, brought in 3 different religions.

      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

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        Shabir
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        Thank you for the response. Yes, it makes a lot of sense. I like the way he has defined 'muslim', 'islam' and many other terms. It makes much sense now that all previous prophets were following the same 'islam' and they were all muslimoon. None of them invented any religion, but followed the same 'deen'.

        Any opinions on 'the declaration of faith' topic?

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          good_logic
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          Peace Shabir.

          Thank you.
          It seems the link you gave is not available anymore.Wonder why?
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

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            Shabir
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            I can't find it as well, but I downloaded the pdf copy earlier.

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              Shabir
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              Oh, I found it. Looks like the pdf link has been changed. It's on his website https//thequrantheuntoldtruths.com/
              Then you have to scroll down and click the 'Download' button.

              Salam

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                hawk99
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                Peace good logic,

                You make good points. There is only one creator and one deen. May our journey continue.

                It makes much sense now that all previous prophets were following the same 'islam' and they were all muslimoon. None of them invented any religion, but followed the same 'deen'.

                True!

                God bless you both

                peace

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                  Thank you Shabir for sorting that link.
                  Thanks brother hawk99.

                  I can understand how people easily adapt to the "devil s systems/religions." I find GOD s words describing the humans opposing His system very true and accurate

                  They swore by God, solemnly, that if Aayats/signs/... came to them, they would surely believe. Say, "Aayats come only from God." For all you know, if any sign did come to them, they would continue to disbelieve.
                  وَأَقسَموا بِاللَّهِ جَهدَ أَيمٰنِهِم لَئِن جاءَتهُم ءايَةٌ لَيُؤمِنُنَّ بِها قُل إِنَّمَا الـٔايٰتُ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَما يُشعِرُكُم أَنَّها إِذا جاءَت لا يُؤمِنونَ
                  We control their minds and their hearts. Thus, since their decision is to disbelieve, we leave them in their transgressions, blundering.
                  وَنُقَلِّبُ أَفـِٔدَتَهُم وَأَبصٰرَهُم كَما لَم يُؤمِنوا بِهِ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَنَذَرُهُم فى طُغيٰنِهِم يَعمَهونَ

                  Of course this is a Consequence of our Own bad Decision if we refuse to submit for our own good

                  Even if we sent down the angels to them; even if the dead spoke to them; even if we summoned every sign before them; they cannot believe unless God wills it. Indeed, most of them are ignorant.
                  وَلَو أَنَّنا نَزَّلنا إِلَيهِمُ المَلٰئِكَةَ وَكَلَّمَهُمُ المَوتىٰ وَحَشَرنا عَلَيهِم كُلَّ شَىءٍ قُبُلًا ما كانوا لِيُؤمِنوا إِلّا أَن يَشاءَ اللَّهُ وَلٰكِنَّ أَكثَرَهُم يَجهَلونَ

                  Fabrications by men s systems and religions are lies by the Prophets/messengers Enemies

                  We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
                  وَكَذٰلِكَ جَعَلنا لِكُلِّ نَبِىٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيٰطينَ الإِنسِ وَالجِنِّ يوحى بَعضُهُم إِلىٰ بَعضٍ زُخرُفَ القَولِ غُرورًا وَلَو شاءَ رَبُّكَ ما فَعَلوهُ فَذَرهُم وَما يَفتَرونَ
                  This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.*
                  وَلِتَصغىٰ إِلَيهِ أَفـِٔدَةُ الَّذينَ لا يُؤمِنونَ بِالـٔاخِرَةِ وَلِيَرضَوهُ وَلِيَقتَرِفوا ما هُم مُقتَرِفونَ

                  It is ominous and dangerous to ignore GOD Alone and follow others

                  Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
                  أَفَغَيرَ اللَّهِ أَبتَغى حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذى أَنزَلَ إِلَيكُمُ الكِتٰبَ مُفَصَّلًا وَالَّذينَ ءاتَينٰهُمُ الكِتٰبَ يَعلَمونَ أَنَّهُ مُنَزَّلٌ مِن رَبِّكَ بِالحَقِّ فَلا تَكونَنَّ مِنَ المُمتَرينَ
                  The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
                  وَتَمَّت كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ صِدقًا وَعَدلًا لا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمٰتِهِ وَهُوَ السَّميعُ العَليمُ
                  If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of God. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.
                  وَإِن تُطِع أَكثَرَ مَن فِى الأَرضِ يُضِلّوكَ عَن سَبيلِ اللَّهِ إِن يَتَّبِعونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِن هُم إِلّا يَخرُصونَ
                  Your Lord is fully aware of those who stray off His path, and He is fully aware of those who are guided.
                  إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعلَمُ مَن يَضِلُّ عَن سَبيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعلَمُ بِالمُهتَدينَ

                  May the Lord guides us.
                  GOD bless you both.
                  Peace.

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                    Shabir
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                    Peace to you both, hawk99, and good logic,

                    Thank you for your input. I am so glad I found this book. The praise it to God. It opened up greater possibilities and lessened the burden of religion and the supplementary materials attached to that religion.

                    I realized that Allah's book (Q'uran) is a very practical and easy guide for anyone who wishes to follow it without any supplemental materials. There is no religion attached to it, and the prophet did not introduce any religion either. No rituals, no dogmas. It is about consenting to God's guidance in the Q'uran to become a true believer. Definitely a good read. Can't wait for the physical copy of the book. )

                    Peace

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                      hawk99
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                      Peace,

                      What has happened since the beginning of time is that Satan has stood between
                      mankind and the sustainer. So, humankind must be aware that Satan is set to
                      mislead, misdirect and lie using different means such as hadith, scholars, preachers,
                      translations, and other false authorities to take us away from the path. What we must know always,
                      and at all times is that we must be on the lookout for Satan and his crew.

                      said, "Because You have put me in error, I will surely sit in wait for them on Your straight path.

                      Ayat is so important because it reminds us that Satan will use any means
                      necessary to pull us away from the guidance that our protector has sent in the Quran.

                      God bless

                      peace

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                        Bajram_Hoxhaj
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                        Salaam,

                        Whoever wrote that article is a head case and wrong on almost every other topic. For instance, when he talks about cancer—if you believe you can be cured, it’s all up to you, blah blah. He should visit a cancer hospital, especially to see the kids, and then understand what faith really is.

                        It's these types who carelessly post ideas that pop into their heads until they’re tested and squeal like piglets.

                        I saw this verse on a show I was watching.

                        2156 Al-Ladhīna 'Idhā 'Aşābathum Muşībatun Qālū 'Innā Lillāhi Wa 'Innā 'Ilayhi Rāji`ūna

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                          good_logic
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                          Peace BH.

                          Do you think a human can be faultless?
                          By definition the human has doubt, ego, guess work due to lack of knowledge and contradictions.

                          Pioneers should be self critical and hungry for learning and improving their souls, but they still have the same faults , however they challenge others with ideas that need reflections and push the limit of knowledge for themselves and others.

                          So who is saying here that the bloke is perfect and everything he says is sound?

                          We are simply saying he gets some of it right.

                          Now, here is what constructive criticism of anything should entail
                          1-counter, with good etiquette, any faults by a version with strength and better knowledge.
                          2- leave for others to take the best.
                          3- move on to improve our own life and knowledge.

                          GOD is very much aware of all of us.
                          Your point is taken though. flaws exist in all humans works.
                          GOD s trial is both for individuals and with each other.
                          GOD bless you.
                          Peace.

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                            Shabir
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                            Yes, Satan is definitely something to watch out for. It is also a good idea to re-think our beliefs and make sure whether they are aligned with the Q'uran.

                            Good logic mentioned about 'pioneers of this subject'. Could you please mention a few of them and their works, if you remember? Thank you.

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                              good_logic
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                              Peace Shabir.

                              Starting with the prophet, Ali and some companions who were loyal to GOD Alone- Of course before that one can mention many prophets starting at Noah and down the line to Muhammed -and many believers with them.

                              Recent pioneers of Qoran are too many , I can mention few like Mohammad Asad, Rashad Khalifa, and few others that follow in their footsteps and adopt Quran alone and GOD Alone attitude/way.
                              However compared to all other folks in religions and without religion ,these are very few- minority of minorities-

                              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvq3fvsMwc

                              A simple search on the net will highlight countless pioneers. Only GOD knows the true from the false. We can listen to all words and choose what is best and agrees with GOD s scripture.

                              So the message is to always check with GOD s message.
                              And the best way is to study GOD s message ourselves relying on GOD Alone for the best explanations/interpretations and our own faculties which we are responsible for at GOFD s.

                              GOD bless you.
                              Peace

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                                Dear Bajram,

                                Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation. You have not heard about it because it is NOT in the mainstream news and Google. Cancer is a trillion-dollar industry with Chemo and radiation. The cancer industry (ie the BIG pharma) don’t want to jeopardize that industry with a cheap and easy solution to heal cancer. They don't care about the suffering of people in the hospitals you have mentioned, as long as they can make money off of you. Therefore, they spend a lot of money (yes, billions of dollars) bribing the mainstream media and online media (ie Google) to suppress and censor any information about natural healing. This is the same for all other major diseases as well. Just because we have not heard about it, doesn’t mean alternate modalities don't exist. There are so many holistic and naturopath doctors who have cured different types of cancers, even end-state cases. If you watch 'The Truth About Cancer’ (TTAC) documentary series created by Ty and Charlene Bollinger, you will hear from many of the holistic and naturopath doctors and their patients how they healed cancer COMPLETELY. It is also not limited to those healing modalities as well. Many people have even healed their cancer by meditation. If you don’t want to believe me, then watch the ‘Source’ documentary by Dr Joe Dispenza here https//sourcethefilm.org/. YOU WOULD NEVER HERE THESE ON THE MAINSTREAM.

                                Does the mention of 'Cancer healing' that you found in the book make you question the contents of the book? Did you find any other flaws? I am curious.

                                Peace.

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                                  Shabir
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                                  Salam Good logic,

                                  I have heard of Rashad Kalifana and GA Parwez. And also Aidid Safar.

                                  You are right We should read/learn everything and see whether those information are aligned with the teachings of the Q'uran. I will watch the video you sent.

                                  Thanks

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                                    Shabir
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                                    Dear Bajram,

                                    Where is Cancer healing mentioned in the book?

                                    Peace.

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                                      Dear Bajram,

                                      Cancer is not an incurable disease as most people believe. There are many natural healing modalities to cure cancer without any side-effects other than chemotherapy and radiation. You have not heard about it because it is NOT in the mainstream news and Google.

                                      Salaam, that's false and misleading. There isn't much I haven't looked into on the subject. Millions of people are diagnosed every year. They’re not all ignorant, and depending on the type—for example, if it's metastatic, especially to the brain where drugs can’t penetrate the blood-brain barrier—the options are lasers, whole brain radiation, etc. In such cases, the prognosis is often dire, with only weeks to months to live. You might as well make a will and say your goodbyes.

                                      Likewise, if you're going to post on a subject, do the research—especially on the Qur’an, as the consequences of spreading false information are even more serious. Most people don’t realize this and casually post whatever ideas come to mind. When corrected, they walk away and repeat their mistakes out of pride, like an ostrich fiercely protecting its egg simply because it's theirs.

                                      The latest advancements involve CAR T cells, which are grown and reintroduced into the body. These cells not only attack but can also inspire more cells to join the battle, as if they’re saying, 'Let’s go, team! These are the enemy!'

                                      This link discusses how immune-suppressing molecules from tumor cells can disrupt CAR T cells, essentially acting like 'killer brakes.'
                                      https//www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/research/car-t-cells

                                      Does the mention of 'Cancer healing' that you found in the book make you question the contents of the book? Did you find any other flaws? I am curious.

                                      The book you're referring to, like the article, has numerous errors—too many to discuss, most of which have already been addressed in this forum. The issue is this if you're going to write an article, why not first run it by a forum like Free Minds and defend it by answering questions? Anyone can write an article, as some do on this site, but when questioned, they run away like cowards and keep spamming the same garbage without responding. They're infatuated with their obsession, seeking attention. It's all about self-idolization.

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                                        Dear Bajram,

                                        If you think you can't heal cancer, it is true (for you) - it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. However, there are so many different modalities exist whether you want to accept them or not. I am only giving hope to people who think outside the box.

                                        You are also accusing me of an Article. I am confused as I never wrote one in this forum.

                                        This is a forum where people openly talk/discuss different topics. As Good Logic mentioned no one is faultless and I don't claim myself either. We have to learn to take responsibility for our actions/beliefs and not blame others for posting or writing a book. If you don't agree with something, counter it with facts/evidence, and move on, without accusing people. However, I am still interested in hearing from you a few other flaws in the book that we are discussing about.

                                        Peace.

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                                          Dear Bajram,

                                          If you think you can't heal cancer, it is true (for you) - it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. However, there are so many different modalities exist whether you want to accept them or not. I am only giving hope to people who think outside the box.

                                          You are also accusing me of an Article. I am confused as I never wrote one in this forum.

                                          This is a forum where people openly talk/discuss different topics. As Good Logic mentioned no one is faultless and I don't claim myself either. We have to learn to take responsibility for our actions/beliefs and not blame others for posting or writing a book. If you don't agree with something, counter it with facts/evidence, and move on, without accusing people. However, I am still interested in hearing from you a few other flaws in the book that we are discussing about.

                                          Peace.

                                          This shows you're unfamiliar with the subject, or the Qur’an, which matters little when catastrophe strikes, whether from disease, accidents, a falling object like a tree during a storm, or if a missile hits someone in the head.

                                          Globally, approximately 2.3 million women are diagnosed with breast cancer each year. That’s just one type, and around 400,000 children and adolescents are diagnosed annually worldwide.

                                          See 2156, 3145, 3134, 3942, 4526, etc.

                                          It’s unclear which book you're referring to. My original reply was about the article on the Academia page you posted.

                                          It contains numerous errors, such as comments on cancer, fasting—or not fasting—during Ramadan, or wiping oneself with clean soil before marriage, among other nonsense. It’s pointless to discuss these with you since you're not the author, and I don’t want to waste time on irrelevant links.

                                          Salaam

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