The Quran a failed book written by Men
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Bro Bajram,
Please, give a straightforward answer to my question
Whether (a), (b), (c), (d) or (e) or any combination of them!For example
If you ask me the same question
I will say that i'm belong to (c) and (d)
AND full stop!Note
If you choose not to answer my question, it's okay brother!Salam.
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Bro Bajram,
Please, give a straightforward answer to my question
Whether (a), (b), (c), (d) or (e) or any combination of them!For example
If you ask me the same question
I will say that i'm belong to (c) and (d)
AND full stop!Note
If you choose not to answer my question, it's okay brother!Salam.
Salaam shukri,
There’s no "abc 123." I appreciate the believers from the time of revelation or the time of Mehmed Fetihler Sultani (a slightly embellished TV series I'm watching, set during the time when my great-grandfathers were imams). They and I believe there are nineteen controllers, entities, or forces over the abyss or hellfire. That’s it.
Now, I pose a question to you, which others have also avoided as you avoid answering my previous questions, if you had lived during the time of revelation or the Ottoman period 1,000 years later, would you have been a believer then—or even now? Or would you require a code of sorts that could align with everything ever written, as I’ve shown you?
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Bro Bajram,
Please, give a straightforward answer to my question
Whether (a), (b), (c), (d) or (e) or any combination of them!For example
If you ask me the same question
I will say that i'm belong to (c) and (d)
AND full stop!Note
If you choose not to answer my question, it's okay brother!Salam.
Hey Shukri,
This nipple sucker doesn't know to differentiate between singular and plural. 'Over it is 19' is absolutely right.
but he is right on the matter you guys discussing. for that, I salute him.
You belong to group C or D, and the rest of the believers belong to group A or B just because they don't believe your false messenger, who introduced fancy structures to elevate himself to a Messenger and follow him.
Ask yourself, is this the only verse that convinces you and increases your faith, and does the rest of the Quran not teach you anything to get convinced and increase your faith?
Come on man! where are you lost?Let me modify my thread.
You said a week or so ago that you were agnostic and a disbeliever and this number magic turned you to believe in Al Quran and God. Lemme put that this way.
according to verse 74'31 disbelievers will go far away from this temptation of the verse but you turned toward faith as you claim. Allah's verse states disbelievers would sink into deep disbelief hearing this verse and how come you turned into a believer with 19? It points out that Allah is wrong. It should only increase the faith of believers of any ethnicity it states.
How was it possible for a disbeliever to get faith thru this verse while it states otherwise?
You didn't get the verse right, but you embraced the shit of your fancy messenger.
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Hey Shukri,
This nipple sucker doesn't know to differentiate between singular and plural. 'Over it is 19' is absolutely right.
nineteen morons (masculine) تِسْعةَ عَشرَ بليداً
you don't say "is" nineteen morons you moron!
اللعنة عليك مصاصة الديكاللعنة (al-la‘nah) — "Curse"
عليك (‘alayk) — "upon you"
مصاصة (miṣṣāṣah) — "sucker"
الديك (al-dīk) — "the rooster" or, in slang, it can mean "d***"In other words, using 19 characters fk off you c***sucker!
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Salaam shukri,
There’s no "abc 123." I appreciate the believers from the time of revelation or the time of Mehmed Fetihler Sultani (a slightly embellished TV series I'm watching, set during the time when my great-grandfathers were imams). They and I believe there are nineteen controllers, entities, or forces over the abyss or hellfire. That’s it.
Now, I pose a question to you, which others have also avoided as you avoid answering my previous questions, if you had lived during the time of revelation or the Ottoman period 1,000 years later, would you have been a believer then—or even now? Or would you require a code of sorts that could align with everything ever written, as I’ve shown you?
My simple answer
2141 That was a community from the past. They are responsible for what they earned, and you are responsible for what you earned. You are not answerable for anything they did.AND for you, the wisdom of verses 7430-37 is still hidden as a mystery, i suppose!
But for me, the wisdom of "the nineteen" is the greatest sign/proof that the God exists and the Quran is the word of GodThank you God for your guidance and mercy on me
AND chosen me to be blessed with the wisdom of miracles-19
All praise be to God!Salam!
Ends.
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According to verse 74'31 disbelievers will go far away from this temptation of the verse but you turned toward faith as you claim. Allah's verse states disbelievers would sink into deep disbelief hearing this verse and how come you turned into a believer with 19? It points out that Allah is wrong. It should only increase the faith of believers of any ethnicity it states.
You're wrong!
During my agnostic/atheist I was in concordance with objective (a) of verse 7431
viz. to disturb/test the disbelievers (agnostic/atheist)NOT objective (e)
viz. to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?"Thanks.
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My simple answer
2141 That was a community from the past. They are responsible for what they earned, and you are responsible for what you earned. You are not answerable for anything they did.AND for you, the wisdom of verses 7430-37 is still hidden as a mystery, i suppose!
But for me, the wisdom of "the nineteen" is the greatest sign/proof that the God exists and the Quran is the word of GodThank you God for your guidance and mercy on me
AND chosen me to be blessed with the wisdom of miracles-19
All praise be to God!Salam!
Ends.
Salaam shukri, to clarify on numbers and groups.
تِسْعَ (Tis‘a) refers specifically to the number nine.
Example تِسْعَ كُتُبٍ (tis‘a kutubin) means "nine books."In verses 17101 and 2712, تِسْعَ (Tis‘a) refers to nine signs.
In verse 2748, تِسْعَةَ (Tis‘atu) refers to a group of nine (m/p).In verse 7430, عَلَيْهَا تِسْعَةَ عَشَرَ (ʿalayhā tisʿatu ʿashara) refers to a masculine plural group.
Translates to "Over it are nineteen," indicating nineteen controllers guarding the hellfire.Btw, since it was mentioned ماري كان لديها حمل صغير ("Mary had a little lamb"
19 letters
5 19 1750 = 19 x 27325001 40120010 251 4 4 251 255 50 1234 1234
2 20150 71 3 7 322 74 70 123 567
3 3041051 50 5 12 372 55 31 12345 89101112
4 84030 78 3 15 450 81 38 123 131415
5 90100010200 1300 4 19 1750 1304 290 1234 16171819= 19 x 73747373816548690818 42754801801060563880 64603690714070021606 05532827659532813626 84796044226727976056 91480164811346847368 95790158115355270022 5795969272201
= 29 x 48317244914290521570 69391077042074162542 49223107709218290017 76038749156245636514 14176718631304536037 28900797635020348276 21379758765232763118 2418048833511
… and numerous others flipping above columns
Take care and all the best!
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nineteen morons (masculine) تِسْعةَ عَشرَ بليداً
you don't say "is" nineteen morons you moron!
اللعنة عليك مصاصة الديكاللعنة (al-la‘nah) — "Curse"
عليك (‘alayk) — "upon you"
مصاصة (miṣṣāṣah) — "sucker"
الديك (al-dīk) — "the rooster" or, in slang, it can mean "d***"In other words, using 19 characters fk off you c***sucker!
Ooh baby! this is fun after work.
I want to take a leak. Open your nasty mouth. How was it? Pure Arabic distillery. Made in Dubai.
Not satisfied? OK. Sck my blls then you will discover a 9" miracle. You can become a messenger for 9. Pure Arabic miracle. rotfl
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BH and JJ, why are you both even discussing Qoran, especially thinking you are correcting beliefs and mistakes of others ?
First, mind your language and heed a basic etiquette from Qoran . i.e avoid using bad and disrespectful words and converse amicably and with respect.
Of course it is your choice.
But what is your aim here? There is no benefit or need for this kind of posts that repel honest truth seekers!
May the Lord guide you both.
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Salam bro Shukri,
Did you try to contact those two disbelievers Al Fadi and Jay Smith? Instead of people fighting here, they should be fighting Al Fadi and Jay Smith to show how wrong they are in the Quran.
I have some books it was written by Pazuzu. It discusses
"Arabia The Untold Story" A Summary
This book aims to challenge widely accepted historical narratives, particularly those concerning the geographical locations of events described in the Quran and the Bible. The central argument is that a significant historical distortion has occurred, largely due to the influence of the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, which the authors argue contains deliberate mistranslations and fabrications to advance political agendas.
Key Claims
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Egypt Was Never Called "Miṣr" by Arabs The sources assert that during the time of Prophet Muhammad (P) and the early period of Islamic expansion, the Arabs knew Egypt as "al-Qibt," derived from the Greek and Roman names for the region. "Miṣr," according to the sources, was initially the name of the Arab military encampment near the Roman fort of Babylon in the Nile Delta. This camp evolved into the city of al-Fusṭāṭ and, as its prominence grew, the name "Miṣr" came to be associated with it. However, a later misinterpretation mistakenly applied this name to the entire country, creating confusion and obscuring the original name "al-Qibt."
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"Pharaoh" Is Not an Ancient Egyptian Title The authors challenge the widely held belief that "Pharaoh" was a title used to designate the rulers of Ancient Egypt. They point to the lack of any archaeological evidence to support this claim. Inscriptions, papyrus documents, and royal cartouches all reveal numerous titles used for Egyptian kings, but none resemble "Pharaoh." The authors argue that the term "pr-aa" ("Great House", sometimes suggested as the origin of "Pharaoh," actually referred to the seat of government, not the ruler. They cite expert opinions from prominent Egyptologists, including Ashraf ‘Izzat and Professor Zāhi Ḥawwās, who confirm the absence of "Pharaoh" in Ancient Egyptian records.
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The Septuagint Deliberately Misrepresented History The sources accuse the Septuagint translators of deliberately replacing the Hebrew term "Mtzrim" with the Greek "Aigypto" (Egypt) when translating the Exodus narrative. This substitution, they argue, was a politically motivated act designed to elevate the status of the Ptolemaic dynasty and the Jewish community in Alexandria by connecting them to pivotal biblical events. This fabrication, the sources claim, has had a lasting impact on perceptions of history, creating a false association between the Israelites and Egypt that persists to this day.
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The Quranic "Miṣr" Is Not Egypt The sources argue that the "Miṣr" mentioned in the Quranic accounts of prophets Joseph (Yūsuf) and Moses (Mūsa) is not Ancient Egypt. They point to several factors to support this claim, including
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Description of Miṣr as a trade citadel The Quranic narrative suggests a walled and fortified trade station or a central hub for travellers, which aligns with the original meaning of the term "Miṣr" as understood in Arabic.
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Emphasis on rain-fed agriculture The story of Joseph features a drought that impacts the region's agriculture, a scenario unlikely in Ancient Egypt, which relied on the Nile's annual floods for irrigation.
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The Israelites inheriting the land after Far‘awn's demise The Quran indicates that the Israelites became successors in the land where Far‘awn ruled, a claim not supported by any historical evidence related to Ancient Egypt.
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Arabic names for Far‘awn and his wife in Islamic traditions The sources point to the use of distinctly Arabic names for Far‘awn and his wife in some Islamic traditions as further evidence that these figures were not associated with Ancient Egypt.
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The Significance of "Ṭūr" and "Yamm" The authors differentiate between "Ṭūr," specifically "Ṭūr Seenā’" mentioned in the Quran, and the commonly known Mount Sinai in the Sinai Peninsula. They highlight verses that suggest "Ṭūr" is located in a fertile region with abundant water sources, unlike the arid Sinai. They also emphasize the distinct meanings of the Quranic terms "baḥr" and "yamm," arguing that "yamm" refers to a flowing stream of water, not a sea. They use this interpretation to challenge the traditional narrative of the Red Sea crossing, proposing instead that Far‘awn drowned in an inland stream located in the mountainous region of ancient Yemen.
The book ultimately encourages a reassessment of widely accepted historical narratives, advocating for a critical reading of both the Quran and the Bible, free from preconceived notions and traditional interpretations. It urges readers to question established authorities and to engage in independent research, using reason and evidence to uncover the truth about history.
You can give me your email and I will send the books to you. It's an eye-opener
God bless all
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Salam bro Shukri,
Did you try to contact those two disbelievers Al Fadi and Jay Smith? Instead of people fighting here, they should be fighting Al Fadi and Jay Smith to show how wrong they are in the Quran.
I have some books it was written by Pazuzu. It discusses
"Arabia The Untold Story" A Summary
This book aims to challenge widely accepted historical narratives, particularly those concerning the geographical locations of events described in the Quran and the Bible. The central argument is that a significant historical distortion has occurred, largely due to the influence of the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, which the authors argue contains deliberate mistranslations and fabrications to advance political agendas.
Key Claims
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Egypt Was Never Called "Miṣr" by Arabs The sources assert that during the time of Prophet Muhammad (P) and the early period of Islamic expansion, the Arabs knew Egypt as "al-Qibt," derived from the Greek and Roman names for the region. "Miṣr," according to the sources, was initially the name of the Arab military encampment near the Roman fort of Babylon in the Nile Delta. This camp evolved into the city of al-Fusṭāṭ and, as its prominence grew, the name "Miṣr" came to be associated with it. However, a later misinterpretation mistakenly applied this name to the entire country, creating confusion and obscuring the original name "al-Qibt."
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"Pharaoh" Is Not an Ancient Egyptian Title The authors challenge the widely held belief that "Pharaoh" was a title used to designate the rulers of Ancient Egypt. They point to the lack of any archaeological evidence to support this claim. Inscriptions, papyrus documents, and royal cartouches all reveal numerous titles used for Egyptian kings, but none resemble "Pharaoh." The authors argue that the term "pr-aa" ("Great House", sometimes suggested as the origin of "Pharaoh," actually referred to the seat of government, not the ruler. They cite expert opinions from prominent Egyptologists, including Ashraf ‘Izzat and Professor Zāhi Ḥawwās, who confirm the absence of "Pharaoh" in Ancient Egyptian records.
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The Septuagint Deliberately Misrepresented History The sources accuse the Septuagint translators of deliberately replacing the Hebrew term "Mtzrim" with the Greek "Aigypto" (Egypt) when translating the Exodus narrative. This substitution, they argue, was a politically motivated act designed to elevate the status of the Ptolemaic dynasty and the Jewish community in Alexandria by connecting them to pivotal biblical events. This fabrication, the sources claim, has had a lasting impact on perceptions of history, creating a false association between the Israelites and Egypt that persists to this day.
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The Quranic "Miṣr" Is Not Egypt The sources argue that the "Miṣr" mentioned in the Quranic accounts of prophets Joseph (Yūsuf) and Moses (Mūsa) is not Ancient Egypt. They point to several factors to support this claim, including
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Description of Miṣr as a trade citadel The Quranic narrative suggests a walled and fortified trade station or a central hub for travellers, which aligns with the original meaning of the term "Miṣr" as understood in Arabic.
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Emphasis on rain-fed agriculture The story of Joseph features a drought that impacts the region's agriculture, a scenario unlikely in Ancient Egypt, which relied on the Nile's annual floods for irrigation.
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The Israelites inheriting the land after Far‘awn's demise The Quran indicates that the Israelites became successors in the land where Far‘awn ruled, a claim not supported by any historical evidence related to Ancient Egypt.
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Arabic names for Far‘awn and his wife in Islamic traditions The sources point to the use of distinctly Arabic names for Far‘awn and his wife in some Islamic traditions as further evidence that these figures were not associated with Ancient Egypt.
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The Significance of "Ṭūr" and "Yamm" The authors differentiate between "Ṭūr," specifically "Ṭūr Seenā’" mentioned in the Quran, and the commonly known Mount Sinai in the Sinai Peninsula. They highlight verses that suggest "Ṭūr" is located in a fertile region with abundant water sources, unlike the arid Sinai. They also emphasize the distinct meanings of the Quranic terms "baḥr" and "yamm," arguing that "yamm" refers to a flowing stream of water, not a sea. They use this interpretation to challenge the traditional narrative of the Red Sea crossing, proposing instead that Far‘awn drowned in an inland stream located in the mountainous region of ancient Yemen.
The book ultimately encourages a reassessment of widely accepted historical narratives, advocating for a critical reading of both the Quran and the Bible, free from preconceived notions and traditional interpretations. It urges readers to question established authorities and to engage in independent research, using reason and evidence to uncover the truth about history.
You can give me your email and I will send the books to you. It's an eye-opener
God bless all
Hey worthless centi50 rotfl
Before knowing Mutashabihath verses, first, clear your doubts about Muhkamath verses. You can't obtain an MBA before elementary school. rotfl
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Hey worthless centi50 rotfl
Before knowing Mutashabihath verses, first, clear your doubts about Muhkamath verses. You can't obtain an MBA before elementary school. rotfl
just trusting any fools on the internet leaving aside Al Quran.Salam you are the last person I would lisen to. You foul mouth everyone here. So am not communicating with you
God bless
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Salam Mazhar why don't you do a rebuttal
Since your expertise in linguistics forensics as say
God bless all
Salamun alaika; 12 days back I commented on the video
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We are today in Forensic Linguistics era. Gentleman why don't you carry out forensic check of the documents you have in your hand?Just open it and you will find the first direction to people like you is to carry out forensic test.
It is worldwide assumption that the concept of Forensic Linguistics was introduced for the first time by the linguistic professor Jan Svartvik (196 in his book “The Evans Statements A Case for Forensic Linguistics”. Earlier the word "forensic" was used by Frederick A. Philbrick in the title of his book on legal English; Language and the Law the Semantics of Forensic English.
They both relate to criminal justice. It is legal linguistics, or language and the law. It can be construed as a branch of Forensic science, also known as criminalistics that involves the collection and analysis of evidence.
The primary objective of Forensic linguistics is linguistic evidence in legal proceedings. It is all about identification of whether what is attributed to a given individual to have said/spoken or wrote is factually his speech or authorship. Reliance is placed on analysis of idiolect, or particular patterns of language use; vocabulary, collocations, pronunciation, spelling, and grammar.
Forensic stylistics is the discipline that subjects written or spoken material, or both, to scientific analysis for identifying plagiarism.
But that is not the whole truth. The first ever dispute about the authorship of written text relates to serial publication of the Book titled Qur’ān. Its publisher elevated Messenger Muhammad (Sal'lallaa'ho'alaih'wa'salam)1 claimed it is verbatim transcription of كَلَٟمُ ٱللَّهِ, the Speech - Parlance of Allah the Exalted. But certain elite and their coterie intelligentsia of Mecca disputed and alleged it is his personal authorship which he has diligently and purposely personally written and that he plagiarises. They told their tribesmen that he is of course intelligent educated person but has now become deluded.
A good author is obviously the one who knows the problems or irritating confusions of audience and tells them how to solve it. Since the first confusion feigned by the adamant elite was about authorship, that may have truly perplexed some general public, it is the first problem addressed at the very outset of Qur’ān. Strangely and amazingly the Grand Qur’ān firstly introducing it as unique book touches the question about its authorship and then asks to verify it (22 read with 223;103. And later expanded forensic analysis and comparison is proposed with reference to ten chapters in Ayah 1113. And still later by reference to entire Discourse in Ayah 5234.
They are asked, for resolving their perplexity if it is genuinely perceived about its authorship, to undertake bringing in some literary work created by a joint venture of all the Arabic knowing scholars that has some resemblance to it. Failing it, and emphasising this failure of creating a discourse in its semblance will persist in time-space, those are rebuked and warned to remain mindful of the heated and scorching Hell-Prison who are feigning confusion and propagate against its Divine Origin. It has also the value of a "challenge" which still stands in the present era of computer, corpus and forensic linguistic. Grand Qur’ān is the only in the list of revered books that prompted and asked and is still asking, since over 1400 years, for its forensic analysis for its questioned authorship and organization of intellectual property.
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Salam to all,
I would love to see someone having a go at Jaysmith on the Quran. People from this forum.
God bless ally
Baby girl wanna have fun at the expense of other's effort. Who is this bloody sucker Jaysmith to chase after him and kiss his as* and please him.
Hey worthless centi! Never will any hypocrite be satisfied with Haq of Allah. So don't go after their questions and answer. Answer questions of people who are perplexed and need a solution, perhaps they open their breast towards guidance.Go have fun with the balls of Jaysmith and his coward. Or let them float in their merry ride. Why you bother? You first of all a hypocrite and want to have fun. Suc*
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Peace centi50.
GOD has the best argument only for those who see,hear and ponder/search His signs.
Please do not expect those who have an inner arrogance and hard hearts to see ,hear or reflect on what GOD s message is saying to them.They will argue with falsehood thinking they are defeating the truth. I have tried to debate some folks in London, Hyde park and I came to a conclusion that some will never ever see , hear or reflect because they are set on their ways/systems/religions of their fathers.
They will clearly say that about you and will be adamant they have the truth.
Nobody can claim with certainty they have the truth about everything.My argument , from Qoran, was simple- Study Qoran- or any scripture you think comes from GOD- with a sincere heart all of it , ask for GOD s guidance -if you believe in GOD- and summarise GOD s message on how one should lead their life.
Answer these 3 basic questions to learn the basis of GOD s religion
1-What is submission to GOD/GOD s system?
2-What is a scripture and who is the authority and law maker?
3-How many religions did GOD send and does GOD contradict himself?By definition, if religions differ and people break into sects there must be misinterpretations and issues with the basics of GOD s one consistent message, their understanding/following... is causing these sects and different religions.
Just study and acquire knowledge of GOD s scripture/s- if one believes in GOD- it is futile to keep debating different people. Just state your views and advertise them.
The main effort of searching and learning is to help oneself to develop our own soul in readiness to meet our creator, not to debate others or concern ourselves with what they do.
I admire your character and attitude for learning. You are also kind and amicable ignoring those who insult and mock you and members here.
This is the best way to deal with those that have other agendas /motives
"The Ibad-those who reverence and value GOD- of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace.
وَعِبادُ الرَّحمٰنِ الَّذينَ يَمشونَ عَلَى الأَرضِ هَونًا وَإِذا خاطَبَهُمُ الجٰهِلونَ قالوا سَلٰمًاKeep ignoring insults and those who mock.
Eventually, when you do not take notice or answer by the same manner, they go away.
Take care.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
