So is it twice a day or three times for prayer?
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Show me where in my posting on Reply #11 i used Code 19?
Blah Blah Blah
That was to show same nonsense and digit flipping can be used for anything. You can run away like you did on that bismillah thread where I showed you how easy it is and the 1/19 probability. I don’t care if you respond or not although don’t come here post conjecture and call it analysis. nope
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"Information Only"
I just want to respond to other link provided by Brother Wakas
http//submission.org/Where_can_we_find_Salah.htmlIn this link, "submission.org" said the salat's rakaat of 24434 was preserved by God and mathematically coded by Code-19
But this claim i think has no merit because the sequence of 43244 will give the same resultThe counter-argument can be seen in this link
https//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/the_code_19_(P1203).html
It is very convincing I suppose, at least for me alone!Note
This is my last post in this thread
Just sharing my current views and beliefs on the number of salat in the Quran
Sorry for any inconvenience, if any
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I just want to respond to other link provided by Brother Wakas
http//submission.org/Where_can_we_find_Salah.htmlIn this link, "submission.org" said the salat's rakaat of 24434 was preserved by God and mathematically coded by Code-19
But this claim i think has no merit because the sequence of 43244 will give the same resultFive daily, with 17 rakaat, are taken from hadith and tradition.
Fajr (Dawn prayer) 2 rak‘āt
Dhuhr (Midday prayer) 4 rak‘āt
Asr (Afternoon prayer) 4 rak‘āt
Maghrib (Evening prayer) 3 rak‘āt
Isha (Night prayer) 4 rak‘ātAlso, you forgot to mention the rest.
All digits add up to 17 and are multiples of 19.11267 11438
11951 12293
12464 12635
13148 13319
13661 13832
14174 14345
14516 15371
15542 15713
16226 17252
17423 19133
21185 21356
21527 22382
22553 22724
23237 23921
24263 24434
25118 25631
26144 26315
27341 27512
29222 31274
31445 31616
32129 32471
32642 32813
33155 33326
34181 34352
34523 36233
38114 39311
41192 41363
41534 42218
42731 43244
43415 44441
44612 45125
46151 46322
51281 51452
51623 52136
53162 53333
55214 56411
58121 61541
61712 62225
63251 63422
65132 71117
72143 72314
73511 75221
82232 84113The rest is all predictable flipping of digits by the infatuated.
Salaam
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Hi Bajram,
If you are human and not a robot AI confusedTell us if you observe salat or not
Is salat a ritual practice as sunni/shia did
How many rakaat for each salat you perform
Are you satisfied with your salat!Thank you!
Hi Bajram,
Sorry for the above posting
I did that because I feel like I am having a conversation with a robot, not a human!But anyway, I hope you don't mind answering all the questions I put forward
At least I know who you are ... quranist, sunni, etc. and your stance about salat
sunThanks in advance!
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Hi Bajram,
Sorry for the above posting
I did that because I feel like I am having a conversation with a robot, not a human!But anyway, I hope you don't mind answering all the questions I put forward
At least I know who you are ... quranist, sunni, etc. and your stance about salat
sunThanks in advance!
I do salat about 50 times a day, and like Thomas Jefferson — “I am of a sect (robot) by myself, as far as I know.”
Salaam
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peace shukri,
When using numerology one has to be careful they are being objective thus checking corroborating Quranic evidence such as linguistic, timing coherence, practicality, logic etc is essential. Some of the points mentioned in the article have nothing to do with linguistic issues for example, but I guess it is much easier to paint them all under linguistic and ignore themhttps//mypercept.co.uk/articles/problems-5-salat-Quran.html
e.g.
20) B, C, D.
It should be noted that according to the 5 salat daily view, a salat called "Dhuhr" and a salat called "Asr" are claimed to be due from noon onwards, however according to 2458 it was common practice for believers within their households to discard their clothes at/from noon (likely due to the heat*), and this period of undress is described as "private parts/times" (3awrat) for us. During these private times others are asked to seek our permission in order to mingle with us. Thus, questions arise when is salat meant to be offered in this private time of undress? Do believers uphold the alleged Dhuhr/Asr salat privately? Can they uphold them naked? Do they uphold Dhuhr, then undress, then re-dress and uphold Asr, then undress etc - is this what is being suggested?
It could be argued that we are meant to apply some sort of common sense, for example, when noon arrives, one would uphold both these salat immediately or soon after, then go to their homes (or if already in the home) and discard their garments, but unfortunately for such an explanation 2458 states at/from noon. Perhaps some might accept this explanation. Of course, some advocates of 5 salat daily argue for the alleged "Dhuhr" and "Asr" time periods to extend well into the afternoon and even until start of sunset.If you wish to base your practice on numerology primarily that is of course up to you.
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Salam Wakas
For your information
I observe 3 salat per day i.e. fajr, Al-Wustha and Isha
And the time is as follows ...
Fajr prayer starts when Fajr appear and ends at sunrise
Al-Wustha prayer begins when the sun starts to decline from its highest point in the sky which is at noon and ends at sunset.
Isha Prayer starts as soon as the sun has set and ends when all light has disappeared from the night sky.Note
The name for Isha prayer in the Quran is equivalent to maghrib prayer in sunni practice
i.e. the timeframe for the Isha prayer is equivalent to maghrib prayer for sunniMy comment on private time in verse 2458
The time for the wustha prayer is quite long compared to the other two prayers
For example the time period is around 6 hours in my country
With this long flexible time, especially at noon time, people can do anything they like including discarding their clothes, etc.
And that's why I think the Quran instructs us to get permission during noon time a.k.a. at relaxing time after morning work.
Moreover we should know that verse 2458 just focused on private time NOT salat prayer itself
And the time for the middle the salat (al-salat al-Wustha) is not confined to "noon" time alone but including afternoon (asr) time stated in verse 1031!
And that is the reason i think why the middle the salat (al-salat al-Wustha) is not named as noon prayer!My comment on "numerology"
I believe al-Quran is mathematically composed based on this verse
111 A.L.R. This is a scripture whose verses have been perfected/tightened, then elucidated. It comes from a Most Wise, Most Cognizant.Where the digit of quranic verses can be used as a "tool" to solve any important issue such as the number of salat stated in verse 2238
This method is normally used by "messenger" Rashad Khalifa in many occasions such as ... http//quranix.org/appendix/final/37#~text=Contrary%20to%20common%20belief%2C%20the,to%205%2B38%20%3D%2043.Since i believe Rashad Khalifa was a messenger of covenant in verse 381
And he instead believe in 5 daily prayer with rakaat 24434
I need very concrete evidence if i decide not to follow his teaching
And that is the main reason why I do mathematical analysis
Just to prove to myself that the number of salat in the Quran is merely three times per day, not five!And if you refer to my posting #3
Rashad reminded us to follow the Quran alone, not him per se! ... Link https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606178.0
OR in other words, he is not infallible and on some occasions can make mistakes!
Furthermore, I should provide my concrete proof before God in the hereafter if i choose not to follow messenger teaching
That's a gross sin to deny God's messenger without solid reason/proof.AND my stance will change accordingly if i come across new proof which is better than the proof i had now!
3918 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.May my Lord forgive me if I'm wrong!
All Praise be to GodImportant Note
Brother Wakas,
My posting on reply #13 was not meant to debunk your finding
But to give an input based on mathematical analysis as a comparisonAND the main purpose is just to prove to myself that the number of salat in the Quran is three times per day and my reference article below has merit.
https//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/number_of_salat_(P1200).htmlEnds.
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Hey buddies,
Rituals are not amal/works for which you would gain recompense. Don't waste time in doing them be it salat or fasting etc., All these are inventions of ritualistic religions and not from Allah. You may think it is from Allah by looking at certain verses but they are not. That's how they got deviated and invented and don't follow them.
salah is interaction and salawath is interactions.
2458 Salat al Isha = Interaction of the Isha period/late twilight.
salat al Fajr = interaction of the dawn.They are family interactions beginning time and end time, so take permission if you want to interact at times not normally interacting. So simple. It's all about interaction and connection. When it comes to interaction with Allah, it is salat with Al Quran.
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They are family interactions beginning time and end time, so take permission if you want to interact at times not normally interacting. So simple. It's all about interaction and connection. When it comes to interaction with Allah, it is salat with Al Quran.
How interaction/salat is done with the Quran
I am quite new to this concept!Thank you.
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صَّلَوٰةَ = INTERACTION, الصَّلَوَاتِ = INTERACTIONS, الصَّلَاةَ = CONNECTION, صَلَاتِ = CONNECTIONS, and verb forms are connect / interact.
If you are good at distinguishing the meaning of INTERACTION, perhaps you will realize that you are already involved in the interaction of life. Without interaction, there is no life and thus we are created as a communal creature.
Aqim As Salah Wa athu Zaka = Uphold INTERACTION and render PURITY. No human being can render purity without INTERACTION in life. If you happen to corrupt the INTERACTION, then you won’t bring/render PURITY.
Arrahman has rendered us an immaculate book, so read and explore in order that you interact with your Lord. Whatever you learn through the book, transfer them into your actions in order for your interactions to be positive.
2238-239 Sustain upon the interactions (al salawat) and the astuteness/sharpness (al wasat) of the interaction (al salat) and, uphold to Allah/the Savior consistently; While that, you bothered then delve/research or endeavor upon, then when you are confident so, concentrate of Allah/the Savior as what He distinguished you what not you were discerning.
Interaction and Connection have notable differences.
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صَّلَوٰةَ = INTERACTION, الصَّلَوَاتِ = INTERACTIONS, الصَّلَاةَ = CONNECTION, صَلَاتِ = CONNECTIONS, and verb forms are connect / interact.
If you are good at distinguishing the meaning of INTERACTION, perhaps you will realize that you are already involved in the interaction of life. Without interaction, there is no life and thus we are created as a communal creature.
Aqim As Salah Wa athu Zaka = Uphold INTERACTION and render PURITY. No human being can render purity without INTERACTION in life. If you happen to corrupt the INTERACTION, then you won’t bring/render PURITY.
Arrahman has rendered us an immaculate book, so read and explore in order that you interact with your Lord. Whatever you learn through the book, transfer them into your actions in order for your interactions to be positive.
2238-239 Sustain upon the interactions (al salawat) and the astuteness/sharpness (al wasat) of the interaction (al salat) and, uphold to Allah/the Savior consistently; While that, you bothered then delve/research or endeavor upon, then when you are confident so, concentrate of Allah/the Savior as what He distinguished you what not you were discerning.
Interaction and Connection have notable differences.
So, you mean salat is a time to interact with God by reading and exploring the Quran!
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So, you mean salat is a time to interact with God by reading and exploring the Quran!
Am i correct to say that!Hey Bruh, Sukry.
Please don’t ask me every question as if I am your guide. Your guide is Allah/The Savior. Rely on Allah alone for guidance, but don’t adhere to falsehood through the Quran. Whether you follow falsehood from the Quran or outside of it, it won’t change the fact that falsehood remains falsehood. Having said that, there is no TIME for Sala, i.e. for INTERACTION or CONNECTION. There was TIME for Sala when they were not aware of the guidance, i.e. when people were in ignorance without messages of Allah. For instance, when the Al Quran was in the process of revealing, faithful folks had to attend salah whenever the Messenger called for sala i.e. for interaction and the Messenger’s interaction was revealing/reciting/streaming only verses of Allah. The Messenger was not in a position to reach every individual to interact with, so he was compelled to assign a TIME for INTERACTION so it was the duty of the faithful lovely people to attend and get to know what the Quran was to offer for them through interaction. But as of now, you have the completed Al Quran and the Messenger left it for us.Your CONNECTION with Allah is your reflection and your occupation of mind about Him and His creations and your admiration of your Lord through such reflections.
Your INTERACTION with Allah is first to communicate with Him and get to know what your duty is and then your reciprocal actions according to His instructions and commands. By and large, your life is full of interactions and make them astute and be constant in all positive manner. For you to perform better and apt INTERACTIONs in life, then read and understand Al Quran in its true sense. That’s your communication with Allah. Without knowing Allah’s instructions through His verses, your interactions in life may falter, so purity (zaka) would not reach you unless otherwise, your interactions tallied naturally with Allah’s instructions through His direct guidance.
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Hey Bruh, Sukry.
Please don’t ask me every question as if I am your guide. Your guide is Allah/The Savior. Rely on Allah alone for guidance, but don’t adhere to falsehood through the Quran. Whether you follow falsehood from the Quran or outside of it, it won’t change the fact that falsehood remains falsehood. Having said that, there is no TIME for Sala, i.e. for INTERACTION or CONNECTION. There was TIME for Sala when they were not aware of the guidance, i.e. when people were in ignorance without messages of Allah. For instance, when the Al Quran was in the process of revealing, faithful folks had to attend salah whenever the Messenger called for sala i.e. for interaction and the Messenger’s interaction was revealing/reciting/streaming only verses of Allah. The Messenger was not in a position to reach every individual to interact with, so he was compelled to assign a TIME for INTERACTION so it was the duty of the faithful lovely people to attend and get to know what the Quran was to offer for them through interaction. But as of now, you have the completed Al Quran and the Messenger left it for us.Your CONNECTION with Allah is your reflection and your occupation of mind about Him and His creations and your admiration of your Lord through such reflections.
Your INTERACTION with Allah is first to communicate with Him and get to know what your duty is and then your reciprocal actions according to His instructions and commands. By and large, your life is full of interactions and make them astute and be constant in all positive manner. For you to perform better and apt INTERACTIONs in life, then read and understand Al Quran in its true sense. That’s your communication with Allah. Without knowing Allah’s instructions through His verses, your interactions in life may falter, so purity (zaka) would not reach you unless otherwise, your interactions tallied naturally with Allah’s instructions through His direct guidance.
Now it is quite obvious to me that salat is related to INTERACTION or CONNECTION
And there is no FIX TIME for salat nowadays as the complete Quran is available with us now
So the verse 4103 (mentioning salat at specific times) is not applicable at present time!4103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salats are decreed for the believers at specific times.
Another question sir
Muhammad takes ablution (56) before salat (INTERACTION or CONNECTION) during his time
Do you do the same thing when you interact and make connections with people!Sorry brother for the follow-up question
Indeed, I am very keen to know how you practise your salat
Hope i can learn something new from you!Thank you very much.
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Now it is quite obvious to me that salat is related to INTERACTION or CONNECTION
And there is no FIX TIME for salat nowadays as the complete Quran is available with us now
So the verse 4103 (mentioning salat at specific times) is not applicable at present time!4103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salats are decreed for the believers at specific times.
Another question sir
Muhammad takes ablution (56) before salat (INTERACTION or CONNECTION) during his time
Do you do the same thing when you interact and make connections with people!Sorry brother for the follow-up question
Indeed, I am very keen to know how you practise your salat
Hope i can learn something new from you!Thank you very much.
I want to modify above Reply as follow
Now it is quite obvious to me that salat is related to INTERACTION or CONNECTION
And there is no TIME for salat nowadays as the complete Quran is available with us now
So the verse 4103 (mentioning salat at specific times) is not applicable at present time!4103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salats are decreed for the believers at specific times.
Another question sir
Muhammad takes ablution (56) before salat (INTERACTION or CONNECTION)
Do this ablution is important if Mohammad's salat is just revealing/reciting/streaming the Quranic verses to his people?56 O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. God does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.
Sorry brother for the follow-up question
Indeed, I am very keen to know how you practise your salat
Hope i can learn something new from you!Thank you very much.
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I just had a glance at your previous posting and misunderstood some of your points!
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I want to modify above Reply as follow
Now it is quite obvious to me that salat is related to INTERACTION or CONNECTION
And there is no TIME for salat nowadays as the complete Quran is available with us now
So the verse 4103 (mentioning salat at specific times) is not applicable at present time!4103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salats are decreed for the believers at specific times.
Another question sir
Muhammad takes ablution (56) before salat (INTERACTION or CONNECTION)
Do this ablution is important if Mohammad's salat is just revealing/reciting/streaming the Quranic verses to his people?Sorry brother for the follow-up question
Indeed, I am very keen to know how you practise your salat
Hope i can learn something new from you!Thank you very much.
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I just had a glance at your previous posting and misunderstood some of your points!
Sorry for that!Hey, Sukry Hi again,
I went through your reply and relevant concerns. It is pretty obvious you are practicing rituals and I am not here to blame you.
Be clean physically and mentally as much as you can unless your work or job is against physical cleanliness daily. For your kind info as you emphasized, I don't wash faces etcetera and ritually reciting verses of Al Quran and I am not crazy to perform such an act.
Bruh, in the book of My Lord there are no rituals and that's beyond doubt for me. -
Haj practiced in Mecca and in its surroundings in modern days is not part of Allah's command. The below is what I understood of Haj. Far from rituals tbh.
So Al Haj is betaking (in the Awakening) and Al Umra is Introspection. Haj al bayt to be precise Betaking in the Awakening.2196 And fulfill the Betaking in the Awakening (al-Haj) and the introspection (al umra) for Allah/The Savior. So, you have been confined to what is facilitated in the induction (Alhady), and don’t relieve your despairs until accomplishing the induction into its dissolution. Then whoever became among you in dejection and irritation in him from his despair, so then expiation in rehabilitation or assurance or state of cleanliness, so then when you regained and then whoever took benefit of the introspection into the Betaking of Awakening then whatever facilitated through the induction. But whoever does not find, so rehabilitation for three days during the Awakening and seven when you return. This is ten in full; That is to one who is not involving his occupiers in the Sanctuary of the Forbidden. And be conscientious to Allah/The Savior and, discern that Allah/The Savior is firm of the consequences.
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Hey, Sukry Hi again,
I went through your reply and relevant concerns. It is pretty obvious you are practicing rituals and I am not here to blame you.
Be clean physically and mentally as much as you can unless your work or job is against physical cleanliness daily. For your kind info as you emphasized, I don't wash faces etcetera and ritually reciting verses of Al Quran and I am not crazy to perform such an act.
Bruh, in the book of My Lord there are no rituals and that's beyond doubt for me.Yes, we had different view on salat
I think that's okay brother as long as we take verse 3918 as our guidance3918 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.
Thanks for your time
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Yes, we had different view on salat
I think that's okay brother as long as we take verse 3918 as our guidance3918 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.
Thanks for your time
So long!Hey, good morning!
Don't lose hope in you. You sound dejected.
Verse 3918 won't become fruitful that easily, you need to develop certain characteristics in you. First, intelligence should be applied precisely. Secondly, be honest, thirdly you need to pay much attention before stepping into what is just or rather as you translated the best, and for that, you need to step out from what you follow already without knowledge. When all these traits blend well, you can be satisfied with guidance that is flawless. hmm
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Greetings JinnJinn.
Qoran is amazing , never mind interpretations that differ if the person follows the straight path and peacefulness, they succeed..
Oh , your name reminds me of this surahSay, "I was inspired that a group of jinns listened, then said,
We have heard a wonderful Qoran.* قُل أوحِىَ إِلَىَّ أَنَّهُ استَمَعَ نَفَرٌ مِنَ الجِنِّ فَقالوا إِنّا سَمِعنا قُرءانًا عَجَبًا "It guides to righteousness, and we have believed in it; we will never set up any idols besides our Lord.
يَهدى إِلَى الرُّشدِ فَـٔامَنّا بِهِ وَلَن نُشرِكَ بِرَبِّنا أَحَدًا
"The Most High is our only Lord. He never had a mate, nor a son. وَأَنَّهُ تَعٰلىٰ جَدُّ رَبِّنا مَا اتَّخَذَ صٰحِبَةً وَلا وَلَدًا "It is the foolish among us who used to utter such nonsense about God.
وَأَنَّهُ كانَ يَقولُ سَفيهُنا عَلَى اللَّهِ شَطَطًا
"We thought that neither the humans, nor the jinns, could possibly utter lies about God. وَأَنّا ظَنَنّا أَن لَن تَقولَ الإِنسُ وَالجِنُّ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا "Human beings used to seek power through jinn beings, but they only afflicted them with a lot of adversity.
وَأَنَّهُ كانَ رِجالٌ مِنَ الإِنسِ يَعوذونَ بِرِجالٍ مِنَ الجِنِّ فَزادوهُم رَهَقًا
"They thought, just like you thought, that God would not send another (messenger). وَأَنَّهُم ظَنّوا كَما ظَنَنتُم أَن لَن يَبعَثَ اللَّهُ أَحَدًا ... "We have no idea if something bad is intended for the inhabitants of Earth, or if their Lord wills to redeem them.
وَأَنّا لا نَدرى أَشَرٌّ أُريدَ بِمَن فِى الأَرضِ أَم أَرادَ بِهِم رَبُّهُم رَشَدًا
"Some of us are righteous, and some are less than righteous; we follow various paths. وَأَنّا مِنَّا الصّٰلِحونَ وَمِنّا دونَ ذٰلِكَ كُنّا طَرائِقَ قِدَدًا "We knew full well that we can never run away from God on Earth; we can never run away and escape.
وَأَنّا ظَنَنّا أَن لَن نُعجِزَ اللَّهَ فِى الأَرضِ وَلَن نُعجِزَهُ هَرَبًا
"When we heard the guidance, we believed therein. Anyone who believes in his Lord will never fear any injustice, nor any affliction. وَأَنّا لَمّا سَمِعنَا الهُدىٰ ءامَنّا بِهِ فَمَن يُؤمِن بِرَبِّهِ فَلا يَخافُ بَخسًا وَلا رَهَقًا "Among us are the submitters, and among us are the compromisers.' " As for those who submitted, they are on the right path.
وَأَنّا مِنَّا المُسلِمونَ وَمِنَّا القٰسِطونَ فَمَن أَسلَمَ فَأُولٰئِكَ تَحَرَّوا رَشَدًاListen and enjoy ,if you prefer
https//www.youtube.com/shorts/59lG22oxhZA.Lessons from the past are many for us to reflect on and avoid the same mistakes like
https//www.youtube.com/shorts/NXvx2A6hgy4GOD bless you ,
