Opposition to Rajm (Stoning to Death): Analysis and Refutation
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Firstly we should reflect on a strange and striking thing regards grammar rules
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Feminine participle is mentioned first and masculine later. This is exception to the normal rule of sequencing male and female. Why?
Answer of GPT o1
"Linguistic Emphasis In Arabic, standard grammatical rules place masculine before feminine. However, deviations often serve to emphasize or highlight certain aspects. By placing the feminine first, the text might be underscoring a shift in focus, giving primacy to women or feminine qualities in that context.
Thematic Significance This reversal could symbolize equality or even priority in certain divine decrees or societal roles, especially if the verse deals with ethics, responsibilities, or spiritual matters.
Cultural Reflection It may challenge prevailing social norms where masculine dominance is assumed. The text might deliberately reverse the expected order to signal a break from convention, promoting inclusivity or balance.
Ultimately, the exact reason likely depends on the broader thematic context of the passage in question. This shift could serve as a subtle rhetorical device to reshape readers' perceptions about gender roles in the situation being discussed."
GPT o1
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Answer of GPT o1
"Linguistic Emphasis In Arabic, standard grammatical rules place masculine before feminine. However, deviations often serve to emphasize or highlight certain aspects. By placing the feminine first, the text might be underscoring a shift in focus, giving primacy to women or feminine qualities in that context.
Thematic Significance This reversal could symbolize equality or even priority in certain divine decrees or societal roles, especially if the verse deals with ethics, responsibilities, or spiritual matters.
Cultural Reflection It may challenge prevailing social norms where masculine dominance is assumed. The text might deliberately reverse the expected order to signal a break from convention, promoting inclusivity or balance.
Ultimately, the exact reason likely depends on the broader thematic context of the passage in question. This shift could serve as a subtle rhetorical device to reshape readers' perceptions about gender roles in the situation being discussed."
GPT o1
Your GPT is fantastic.
Issue is linguistic and ground reality. The Root ز ن ى is only applicable when a woman has desired intercourse with a man outside the fold of Nikah. Intercourse can be done with a woman forcefully also. In that case it will not be Zina but rape and punishment could extend to capital one.
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Your GPT is fantastic.
laugh Mira Murati et al (she’s moved on recently to another AI startup) — I like the reference to HAL in 2001 A Space Odyssey. No danger since AI cannot pre-conceptualize; if a new variable is encountered it becomes delusional. The danger is pushing political and ideological isms.
https//time.com/6252404/mira-murati-chatgpt-openai-interview/
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I find his arguments void and unconvincing. Critique and comment welcomed
Muslims are often faced with the difficulty of people in the “modern” world pressuring them to change their viewpoints to conform better with what is socially accepted by society. Many of these people (not just non-Muslims, but Muslims as well) see the prescribed punishments of Allah as barbaric practices that should be done away with. They even say that society has advanced so we have moved away from needing such punishments. They seek to deny the very punishments that Allah has instated as most assuredly the best forms of punishment! One such punishment that is disparaged by these critics is the punishment of stoning the adulterers. In an effort to nullify the punishment, they bring up arguments about the hadiths that mention stoning or how it is not mentioned in the Qur’an. However, they fail to note that the hadiths that mention stoning were reported by the very same people who transmitted the Qur’an to us; you cannot deny one without denying the other! This article will dissect these many flawed arguments, and prove without a doubt that the punishment of stoning is supported by the Qur’an and has not been abrogated.
https//www.academia.edu/3656477/Opposition_to_Rajm_Stoning_to_Death_Analysis_and_Refutation
Salaam
Why isn't stoning mentioned? Did a goat eat the verses? Likewise, many of the Hadith are Ḍaʿīf (weak), and anyone could have injected themselves into the chain of narrators, especially 100+ years later when these began to proliferate for political legitimacy, etc. It's similar to the below hearsay, "God said so, obey!"
1 Samuel 152-3 "Thus says the Lord of hosts, 'I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"
Numbers 3117 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him."
Deuteronomy 36 "We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children."
Joshua 621 "They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys."
https//sunnah.com/bulugh/10/11
Sa'id bin Sa'd bin 'Ubadah (RAA) narrated, 'A small weak man was staying in our tribe, and he committed adultery with one of their slave-women. Sa'd mentioned this to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and thereupon he said, "Flog him (according to) the prescribed penalty." The people then said, 'O Messenger of Allah! He is too weak to bear it.' The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) then said, "Get a stalk of the raceme of a palm tree with a hundred twigs and strike him just once." So, they did. Related by Ahmad, An-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah with a good chain of narrators.
I was glancing through a few hadith and found these two interesting...
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 806
Narrated Abu Huraira
A man came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque, and he called him, saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse.'" The Prophet turned his face to the other side, but that man repeated his statement four times, and after he bore witness against himself four times, the Prophet called him, saying, "Are you mad?" The man said, "No." The Prophet said, "Are you married?" The man said, "Yes." Then the Prophet said, 'Take him away and stone him to death." Jabir bin 'Abdullah said I was among the ones who participated in stoning him and we stoned him at the Musalla. When the stones troubled him, he fled, but we over took him at Al-Harra and stoned him to death.Volume 8, Book 82, Number 812
Narrated Anas bin Malik
While I was with the Prophet a man came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed a legally punishable sin; please inflict the legal punishment on me'.' The Prophet did not ask him what he had done. Then the time for the prayer became due and the man offered prayer along with the Prophet , and when the Prophet had finished his prayer, the man again got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed a legally punishable sin; please inflict the punishment on me according to Allah's Laws." The Prophet said, "Haven't you prayed with us?' He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Allah has forgiven your sin." or said, "....your legally punishable sin."Easy to see which hadith above echoes Qur'an and which is the distorted version.
Who knows they could both be fake; although that last one sort of makes sense to me.
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By the way, for all the numerology folks
The timestamp of Nun de Plume’s post
7/31/2007 0254087 31 2007 025408
Hadith Volume 8, Book 82, Number 812
7 31 2007 025408 8 82 812 = 19 x 384842475021520148
7 31 2007 = 20
025408 = 19
8 82 812 = 29
digit total = 68384842475021520148
38484 = 27
2475021 = 21
520148 = 20
digit total = 68681 Nūn Wa Al-Qalami Wa Mā Yasţurūna
Cool
Salaam
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Answer of GPT o1
"Linguistic Emphasis In Arabic, standard grammatical rules place masculine before feminine. However, deviations often serve to emphasize or highlight certain aspects. By placing the feminine first, the text might be underscoring a shift in focus, giving primacy to women or feminine qualities in that context.
Thematic Significance This reversal could symbolize equality or even priority in certain divine decrees or societal roles, especially if the verse deals with ethics, responsibilities, or spiritual matters.
Cultural Reflection It may challenge prevailing social norms where masculine dominance is assumed. The text might deliberately reverse the expected order to signal a break from convention, promoting inclusivity or balance.
Ultimately, the exact reason likely depends on the broader thematic context of the passage in question. This shift could serve as a subtle rhetorical device to reshape readers' perceptions about gender roles in the situation being discussed."
GPT o1
Bro your use of AI is very nice
Please can you show me the prompt and data you inluted to get that answer. I want to learn
God bless you
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Firstly we should reflect on a strange and striking thing regards grammar rules
https//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/024.%20An%20Noor/24.02.gif
Feminine participle is mentioned first and masculine later. This is exception to the normal rule of sequencing male and female. Why?
Salam bro,
I did not get you well. What are you really trying to say. I didn't understand your post
God bless all
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Salaam
Why isn't stoning mentioned? Did a goat eat the verses? Likewise, many of the Hadith are Ḍaʿīf (weak), and anyone could have injected themselves into the chain of narrators, especially 100+ years later when these began to proliferate for political legitimacy, etc. It's similar to the below hearsay, "God said so, obey!"
1 Samuel 152-3 "Thus says the Lord of hosts, 'I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"
Numbers 3117 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him."
Deuteronomy 36 "We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children."
Joshua 621 "They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys."
https//sunnah.com/bulugh/10/11
Sa'id bin Sa'd bin 'Ubadah (RAA) narrated, 'A small weak man was staying in our tribe, and he committed adultery with one of their slave-women. Sa'd mentioned this to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and thereupon he said, "Flog him (according to) the prescribed penalty." The people then said, 'O Messenger of Allah! He is too weak to bear it.' The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) then said, "Get a stalk of the raceme of a palm tree with a hundred twigs and strike him just once." So, they did. Related by Ahmad, An-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah with a good chain of narrators.
Salam bro,
Very nice comment
God bless
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Bro your use of AI is very nice
Please can you show me the prompt and data you inluted to get that answer. I want to learn
God bless you
I conveyed Mazhar's question exactly to the AI. And I also said, "Answer carefully, taking your time to think deeply and thoroughly".
Peace
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I conveyed Mazhar's question exactly to the AI. And I also said, "Answer carefully, taking your time to think deeply and thoroughly".
Peace
This is excellent. Some basic rules need to be fed about word order of Arabic to make it think deeply and thoroughly.
