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    peter_peterson
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    QURAN AND ALCOHOL

    I am new to this website, i find it very interesting and thought provoking. There are a lot of young people on this forum. I am getting the impression that they are very liberal in their thinking, sure they are definitely not traditionalists.
    Alcohol is mentioned in a number of places in this website, but to state alcohol is not forbidden is I think a bit strong to say the least. The following three ayats talk about alcohol. The three ayats came in the order i have listed them in, if you look at the last ayat, i believe it is a question that is asked of you to choose after the facts have been said.

    Any comments or views

    It is stated in the Qur??n ?They ask you regarding wine and gambling. Say, in both of them is major sin, and there is some benefit for men, but the sin of them is far greater than benefit ?
    (Surah Baqarah)

    There is little benefit but the potentiall of great/major sin.

    ?O Believers? do not approach Sal?h while intoxicated.? (Surah Nisaa)

    Miss salah or be intoxicated ?

    "O you who believe! Intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and arrows (for seeking help on decision) one an abomination of order that you may be successful.
    Shaytan seeks only to cast amongst you enmity and hatred by means of strong drink and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from his worship, will you then not refrain? ?
    (Surah Ma?idah 90)

    Allah in his wisdom, firstly disclosed the evils in alcohol, then prohibited it at Sal?h times and finally declares "will you not then refrain ?."

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      Allah in his wisdom, firstly disclosed the evils in alcohol, then prohibited it at Sal?h times and finally declares "will you not then refrain ?."

      Peace Peter,

      From your own words, you see that Allah has not prohibited us from intoxicants EXCEPT at the time of salaat. I have question, also. From your perspective, if the God completely prohibited alcohol consumption, why is it specified that we should not be intoxicated at "Salah times"?

      The God explicitly mentions some things that are forbidden in 6153-6154. I will definitely not challenge anyone on their knowledge, but we should all be careful not to make "haram" what God has not (and vice versa wink ).

      1060 Say "Have you seen what God has sent down to you from provisions, then you made some of it forbidden and some lawful?" Say "Did God authorize you, or did you invent lies against God?"

      When it comes to prohibitions on consummable things

      16115 So eat from what God has provided for you, that which is good and lawful, and thank the blessings of God, if it is indeed He whom you serve.
      16116 He only made forbidden for you what is already dead, and blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to any other than God. But whoever is forced to, without disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
      16117 And do not say regarding what your tongues describe with lies "This is lawful and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

      6153 Say "Come let me recite to you what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your unborn children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend."
      6154 "And do not come near the money of the orphan, except for what is best, until he reached his maturity; and give honestly full measure and weight equitably. We do not burden a soul except by what it can bear, and if you speak then be just even if against a relative; and regarding the pledges made to God, you shall observe them. This He has enjoined you that you may remember."

      Of course, this is not to say that we should all go out and get crazy wasted because the use of many intoxicants-as we all know-can lead to addiction and addiction is detrimental to personal health and society as a whole. There is a lot of harm in using intoxicants, but there are benefits too (medicine, for example).
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        peter_peterson
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        Peace SalikahDC

        Thanks for the reply. I am trying to find out these answers for myself .

        Peace Peter

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          ammarb87
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          ok that just confused .... i never know alcholol was said to be allowed on this forum ... hehhe ..

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            Wakas
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            peace be upon you peter, All,

            Firstly, welcome to the forum.

            Thank you for providing the relevant signs/ayatin.

            ("intoxicants" under the topic index, from the Quran study tools page.)

            It is correct to say that the strong word "haram/restricted" has not been explicitly used with "intoxicants/khamr/sukaran", however intoxicants are described in a very negative manner in 590-91.

            It repels us away from the slw, and since we are not allowed to approach the slw whilst intoxicated, the degree to which we are allowed to indulge in intoxicants will be determined by the term slw.

            If one believes in a daily regular/timed slw, clearly then, the amount we'd be able to consume would be very little.
            If one believes in a continual slw, once again, the amount we'd be able to consume would be very little.

            In both cases = not enough to become intoxicated. Since this is subjective and open to abuse by those that way inclined, the best advice is to avoid it .

            The reason the mere substance is not expressly restricted, in my opinion, is that if it was, many products & uses (e.g. medicines, that use alcohols as a carrier, method to sterilise tools etc.) might become unusable, and could enjoin unecessary hardship. Just look at what the extremists have done with the restriction on pig-meat.

            Intoxication is the negative, not the mere substance.

            Wakas

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              Elke
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              Salam anmarb

              ok that just confused .... i never know alcholol was said to be allowed on this forum ... hehhe ..

              Do you mean you expect this forum to tell you what to do? shock wink

              Elke

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