Sun,Moon,Stars and The prophet Joseph...............!?

unknownuser

Salaams,
i always thought God Knows our past and the future on our doorstep and what is in our hearts - but not the future future of what we may do.

This story was a monumentous obstacle to my belief but this explained it.

Ith qala yoosufu li-abeehi yaabati innee raaytu ahada AAashara kawkaban waalshshamsawaalqamara raaytuhum lee sajideena

Behold! Joseph said to his father "O my father! I did see eleven stars and the sun and the moon I saw them prostrate themselves to me!"
5.
Qala ya bunayya la taqsusru/yaka AAala ikhwatika fayakeedoo laka kaydan innaalshshaytana lil-insani AAaduwwun mubeenun

Said (the father) "My (dear) little son! relate not thy vision to thy brothers, lest they concoct a plot against thee for Satan is to man an avowed enemy!
6.
Wakathalika yajtabeeka rabbukawayuAAallimuka min ta/weeli al-ahadeethi wayutimmuniAAmatahu AAalayka waAAala ali yaAAqooba kamaatammaha AAala abawayka min qablu ibraheemawa-ishaqa inna rabbaka AAaleemun hakeemun

"Thus will thy Lord choose thee and teach thee the interpretation of stories (and events) and perfect His favour to thee and to the posterity of Jacob - even as He perfected it to thy fathers Abraham and Isaac aforetime! for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom."

Kawkaban= A youth nearly of the age of puberty,who has attained the period of
Adolescence.(p 2623)
Qamara = to deceive/beguile/circumvent/desire to do evil without someone knowing
Whence it proceeded.(p 2562)
Shamasa = enmity/Niggardly/tenacious/avaricious.(p 1956)

Same word with this meaning is also in the following topic
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3325

Raayt = To see with the eye or sight
= To see/to know/to be/to think/to judge/to hold.
= to consult/ask someones counsel or advice,respecting the opinion.(p 99

124
When said joseph to his father O my father verily I saw eleven adolescents and their treachery/evil/avariciosness and their desire to do me evil/to deceive without me knowing whence it proceeded i saw them to me to accept it.

or more easier
124
When said joseph to his father O my father verily I saw eleven adolescents and their Niggerdiliness and their Decieving I saw them to me their aim/actions.

125
O my son not relate what you realised to your brothers lest they should plot against you a plot verily satan to man enemy an open.

Funny enough the other dreams in this surra arn't far off - and i did check.

Gods is the Blessing.

unknownuser

Salaams all,

Here is the second supposed dream.
Original Trans
012.036
YUSUFALI Now with him there came into the prison two young men. Said one of them "I see myself (in a dream) pressing wine." said the other "I see myself (in a dream) carrying bread on my head, and birds are eating, thereof." "Tell us" (they said) "The truth and meaning thereof for we see thou art one that doth good (to all)."

And using lanes and/or Quranic Dictionary.

1236
And there entered with him in the prison two young men said one of them verily I was established/remained/stayed/was confined to responsibility/charged pressing wine and said the other verily I was established/remained/stayed/was confined to responsibility/charged with a superior rank/over/more/on high firm/stable (and) fed ate/partook sharp and quick witted/evil ones thereof inform us with the woe! Verily we think you of the good-doers.

So obviously joseph new their law and consequently after careful thought investigation told them what their outcome was going to be ? I believe.

And this is no dream telling?

God Bless .

unknownuser

Salaams,

Last dream.

012.043
YUSUFALI The king (of Egypt) said "I do see (in a vision) seven fat kine, whom seven lean ones devour, and seven green ears of corn, and seven (others) withered. O ye chiefs! Expound to me my vision if it be that ye can interpret visions."
PICKTHAL And the king said Lo! I saw in a dream seven fat kine which seven lean were eating, and seven green ears of corn and other (seven) dry. O notables! Expound for me my vision, if ye can interpret dreams.
SHAKIR And the king said Surely I see seven fat kine which seven lean ones devoured; and seven green ears and (seven) others dry O chiefs! explain to me my dream, if you can interpret the dream.

mzTRANS.

1243
And said the king verily I saw seven abundance (?s) of wealth/camels/cows/commodities/household goods fat/plump whom devoured/incapacitated seven lean ones And seven seed produce rendered/cut off (while it was green or not ripe) and others dry ?O? notables advice me in what I have seen if you are (able) of what I saw to resolve the matter.

Then the following verses show us the solution to overcome such devastation due to weather/seasonal changes ? solution put forward by Prophet Joseph.
To store food items on a very large enough scale for the forceable future to overcome shortages. Obviously such a stock takes a long time.

By the way the word Ara is used in a number of other ayahs 2720, 37102 and 4029.? to see?, and there is nothing in the ayah 1243 to indicate this was a dream as such unless we turn to the corrupted bible or consider the first translation of the quran which was done by a Christian monk in the 11th centuary?obviously he was relating to his believes of the bible ? I think.

God Bless.