Gabriel and Michael
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Gabriel and Michael are not just Angels, they are Achangels or "Chief Angels" or "Head Angels" or "the Captain of Angels" that is why they are listed seperate to the Angels.
"Michael (Chief Angel) and his angels"
"Yet Michael the archangel (Chief Angel)"Source plz?
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Peace Tay
Here is some info on Jibreel.
Jim-Ba-Ra = To reduce from a fractured state, or restore from a state of poverty to sufficiency. Set or reduced from a fractured state. "A poor man being likened to one who has a broken bone and his restoration to wealth being likened to the setting of the bone." Compell, constrain, incite, urge, or induce another . Addition of something for the purpose of reparation . Self-magnification, pride, haughtiness, insolence, bold, audacious, inordinate, tyrannical, overbearing, extravagent. A king. "There has been no prophetic office but a kingly office has succeeded in its place through someone's self-magnification, pride, haughtiness, or insolence." Slave, servant. No retaliation or expiatory mulct exacted . Tall, above the reach of the hand, ascend , and retaining excellence.
Jibreel
Al-jabbar
JabbarYou should check out Wakas' PRL. It should come in handy.
Joe
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Peace Tay,
I remember this thread from a while ago and I only feel I can say something about it now after some thought.
I'm describing this with concrete examples from our universe though the truth will be something beyond what I am trying to relay.
You will recall the hologram - it requires two things to work - light and the substrate/hologram which has the recording. When they interact a 3D image is projected in space.
Gabriel is like the light in the scenario above - it so happens that light (electromagnetism) is the force we can use to communicate with; and the "superhologram" is Michael - with them both the hologram that we experience - ie. existence - is created.
Gabriel like you suggest is the underlying frequency of existence - something that can be tapped into and can speak to us. The superhologram which is ever changing and defines the existence of all things around us is Michael. The two combined create the experience of the universe as we know it.
I think that's why -MKL- is defined in the dictionary as 'like God' - it is the substrate which is controlling the existence as we see it. And Gabriel is the frequency or energy that brings it to life or animates it.
These are deep concepts, and I hope that I can think further on them and understand better how they relate to us directly. To me it seems that the brain is obviously the 'wick' that is dipped into the superhologram - is part of it in a sense but I must think more on it.
Regards.
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Peace Truth,
Thanks for the excellent explanation.
If I'm understanding you correctly, Jibreel is the light that is directed at Allah, reflecting the hologram that we see, as Michael.Perhaps getting into the quantum, then, jibreel would be the underlying electron activity, popping in and out of existence, while michael is the surface reality, ie, that which we see, hear, touch, etc.
It's a bit difficult imagining both scenarios, as, to me, they are painted as different pictures, but I can see the relationship translating from one to the other.
Great stuff!!!
Peace,
Tay -
Hi
This is not to give any extra info regarding Michaelmore than what a few brothers added, rather to refute a misunderstanding that is a cause of lacking Arabic
It does not mean at all in the Arabic language when you say ?Malaika and Gabriel and Michael That Gabriel and Michael are not form the angels because they were mentioned separately after the angels, also if they are arch angels then they are also angels hence the sepration is not because they are arch angels , Mentioning them separately is an appreciation by Allah to their important roles He assigned to both of them in this testing life, here is an example from the Quran in which it describes what is in paradise, it talks about a specific place in paradise and it says in this place there will have fruits and palms and pomegranates., can you see what I mean?
?In both are fruits and palms and pomegranates.?
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I also believe that Michael is the arch angel in charge of ?delivering Allah blessings to humanity like rain and plants? as far as the history I know about the jews.
Peace
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Peace Tay
Peace Truth,
Thanks for the excellent explanation.
I'm not sure it was so clear but I've found a picture that represents what I was trying to convey. The following is a picture of how a hologram is reconstructed.
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The 'reconstruction beam' coming from the left is laser light that is one element of the hologram; and the 'photographic plate' is the substrate which has the holographic image recorded in it and this the second element.
This procedure requires both elements to be present in order for a viewer to see the hologram image. Note that the hologram is a virtual image - it is effectively an illusion.
This is a real physical process that can be carried out in our universe. But as you are aware some believe that the universe itself is holographic.
The process above is a simplification of what is required for this process to apply to the entire universe. What is needed for it to be the mechanism for animating our universe?
Well it's obvious that this process must be multi-dimensional in order to recreate the space dimensions, time, and any other folded up dimensions. The first and second elements must be different from the laser light and the photographic plate but analogous while having higher dimensional properties.
Think for a moment about the process above. If the photographic plate which contains the recorded image could be made to change like a film then the image that is seen would be a 3D animated image instead of being a static one.
With higher dimensional analogues of this process the entire universe can be made to appear; ie. all matter and physical processes could become represented by an analogous process where these two elements came together and interacted.
Gabriel is therefore like the higher dimensional analogue of the laser light / electromagnetic radiation energy. The first element in the above process.
Michael in turn is like the higher dimensional analogue of the photographic plate or substrate of the hologram. The second element in the above process.
First or second is arbitrary by the way, used just to describe. Each element is as important as the other - you don't have the hologram without each.
Thus Michael as the substrate (photographic plate analogue) is controlling the unravelling of the events we see - a controller (malaika) of this element.
Gabriel is the the wave energy that interacts with the substrate to generate the hologram we experience. It permeates the whole hologram as the underlying wave energy - like the laser light in the physical hologram.
We can extend this to some understanding of the processes going on. Michael is traditionally thought of as the controller of weather etc. but its more global than that - as the substrate of the hologram in effect the change and unfolding of all time's events is within the role of Michael - all the processes of the universe as we know it unfold through this aspect of the control.
Gabriel is the communicator - a role that we achieve through electromagnetic radiation. The wave that permeates/interacts with the substrate (Michael) and is present in all parts of the hologram is an element that can communicate to any part of the hologram.
Also when the interaction stops the universe simulation ceases immediately. I believe these two elements under the God's command are the key controllers of the simulation that we call existence or creation or the universe.
I hope that is explained a little better.
Regards.
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Peace Ahmed, Joe, Truth,
Joe, thanks for the link.
Ahmed, thanks for the clarification. Makes sense, but, double check the ayah. I believe it is malaika, then messengers, then Gabriel and Michael. Malaika is not followed by Gabriel and Michael as you suggested. So perhaps there is more to the ayah than meets the eye??
Truth, than you for the clarification. I understand it better now. The only thing is, where does God fit into the picture. Perhaps the canvas?
Peace,
Tay -
Thank you Tay
I believe my example is almost adentical because it started with fruits and PALM TREES and a type of fruit "Romaan"
exactliy like
Angels and Messengers and Gebrial and Michail
because Palm tree is not really a fruit in addition not all palm trees produce dates, so consider similar to the messengers, then a tuype of fruit was mentioned as Gebrial,
the only diffrerence will be Two examples of the angels were used in comparison with one example of the fruits was used
peace bro
