lottery and the other luck games
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Salaam,
If you are going to quote that statement, then you might as well include this verse to add some context.
591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact-method. Will you be deterred?
From all of these verses, I see no proof that gambling and alcohol will give us a one way ticket to hell. Their use has everything to do with our behavior in this world and our behavior, of course, has a huge effect on the hereafter. So I interpret alcohol and gambling as it is presented in the Qur'an Sure, there are some benefits in these activities, but they are still mechanisms that cause great harm in people's lives. And on top of it all, you can't participate in Salat while you are intoxicated. So do your best to stay away from them. Since you know the potential harm and danger in participating in these activities, will you not abstain? Why wouldn't you....
Khi- The verse does not prohibit alcohol or any other mind covering substance as medicine if u mean tht. However it is clearly forbidden tht we use them 2 GET DRUNK n thts wht the context of the verse says. U cannot drink alcohol or take any other drug 4 enjoyment n i was getting the impression tht this was wht this thread was going 2. The verse says 'faajtanibu' meaning 'abstain' n this is a command. GOD Bless!
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Quran doesnt specify that it can only be used for medicine and not for fun or pleasure. So I guess its still open to individuals how they wanna use it. But one should focus that no harm is done thru it..
peace
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Yeah its haram because you dont earn the money urself .. I mean how could u take money which u dont earn urself (haha taking money from parents is a different issue) ...
Khi- Salam. Im sorry but ive 2 disgree with ur pt here. Tht is not the reason y it is forbidden. There is NO prohibition of taking money which u dont earn. For example if somebody likes 2 give us something inc. money out of his own free will we have every right to take it. GOD prohibits gambling not coz we cant have money which we havent earned but COZ IT LEADS 2 ADDICTION N HENCE CAUSES GREAT HARM N LOSS IN THE END. Millions of ppl loose their homes n families coz they get addicted 2 gambling. It's highly addictive n once a peron is into it he cant get out. Thts y it is prohibited. GOD Bless!
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Quran doesnt specify that it can only be used for medicine and not for fun or pleasure. So I guess its still open to individuals how they wanna use it. But one should focus that no harm is done thru it..
peace
Khi- Salam. I disagree. Quran says 'FAJTANIBU...' which means 'abstain' n is clearly a command '...la'alakum tuflihhoon' meaning 'so tht u may succeed'. Therefore intoxicants n gambling r prohibited. Period! How can we let individuals decided as 2 how much posion they shld take??! GOD Bless!
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Peace
I think it's more of a motive issue. What is the reason you want to gamble? Is it to help your family pay bills, or get more cash to spend on materialistic things? Also, the addiction part, where it basically steers your life, thus preoccupation with this activity leaves you with less time for ALLAH.
Peace
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Peace
I think it's more of a motive issue. What is the reason you want to gamble? Is it to help your family pay bills, or get more cash to spend on materialistic things? Also, the addiction part, where it basically steers your life, thus preoccupation with this activity leaves you with less time for ALLAH.
Peace
Khi- SAlam. If u meant the underlined phrase in the ironicalsense then i obviously agree with u. GOD Bless!
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PLeace,
Peace
I think it's more of a motive issue. What is the reason you want to gamble? Is it to help your family pay bills, or get more cash to spend on materialistic things? Also, the addiction part, where it basically steers your life, thus preoccupation with this activity leaves you with less time for ALLAH.
Peace
Khi- SAlam. If u meant the underlined phrase in the ironicalsense then i obviously agree with u. GOD Bless!
Gambling is NOT A CURE to pay ones' bills but a lust for money. Get a job or any work to establish "permanent and/or temporary" flowing income. If one looses at gambling, one pays more bills. Gambling is a chance, job/work is not.
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PLeace,
Peace
I think it's more of a motive issue. What is the reason you want to gamble? Is it to help your family pay bills, or get more cash to spend on materialistic things? Also, the addiction part, where it basically steers your life, thus preoccupation with this activity leaves you with less time for ALLAH.
Peace
Khi- SAlam. If u meant the underlined phrase in the ironicalsense then i obviously agree with u. GOD Bless!
Gambling is NOT A CURE to pay ones' bills but a lust for money. Get a job or any work to establish "permanent and/or temporary" flowing income. If one looses at gambling, one pays more bills. Gambling is a chance, job/work is not.
Peace
Sure it's not a quick, cuz it's a game of chance. But, it can be a temporary fix. A lot of people for whatever reason, may not have the education to acquire a job, or may not have the time to wait to accumalate $.
I don't condone it when used for selfish reasons, but I understand and someone exhausting all lawful options to do what it takes to support their family.
Peace
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Peace Islamik.
Peace
I think it's more of a motive issue. What is the reason you want to gamble? Is it to help your family pay bills, or get more cash to spend on materialistic things? Also, the addiction part, where it basically steers your life, thus preoccupation with this activity leaves you with less time for ALLAH.
Khi- SAlam. If u meant the underlined phrase in the ironicalsense then i obviously agree with u. GOD Bless!
Gambling is NOT A CURE to pay ones' bills but a lust for money. Get a job or any work to establish "permanent and/or temporary" flowing income. If one looses at gambling, one pays more bills. Gambling is a chance, job/work is not.
Sure it's not a quick, cuz it's a game of chance. But, it can be a temporary fix. A lot of people for whatever reason, may not have the education to acquire a job, or may not have the time to wait to accumalate $.
I don't condone it when used for selfish reasons, but I understand and someone exhausting all lawful options to do what it takes to support their family.
A "chance" is not a temporary fix. If one has the money to gamble, I'm sure one has the money to pay ones' bills and support ones' family. Besides, a temporary fix can be borrowed investment, from family members, friends, acquaintances, banks, credit cards, etc., with the undrestanding of repaying them back in due course. In this way one doesn't LOOSE their money as in a "CHANCE/GAMBLING". There's no excuse of finding a job/work regardless of the amount of return. In other words, an engineer or a doctor being unemployed and having financial problems can very well get a job of a janitor, if that's what it takes to support your family and bills.
Btw and FYI, I was once a great gambler in Las Vegas and have known many personalities at several casinos. I survived but almost all of them, both rich and poor, succumbed to their financial greeds including their loved ones.
I've been off and on from employment, for longer periods and hardships, but guess what, I've always paid my bills and supported my family without having to "gamble". It takes courage and responsibility my friend. Be HE Glorified.
Take care and GOD bless.
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Peace Islamik.
Peace
I think it's more of a motive issue. What is the reason you want to gamble? Is it to help your family pay bills, or get more cash to spend on materialistic things? Also, the addiction part, where it basically steers your life, thus preoccupation with this activity leaves you with less time for ALLAH.
Khi- SAlam. If u meant the underlined phrase in the ironicalsense then i obviously agree with u. GOD Bless!
Gambling is NOT A CURE to pay ones' bills but a lust for money. Get a job or any work to establish "permanent and/or temporary" flowing income. If one looses at gambling, one pays more bills. Gambling is a chance, job/work is not.
Sure it's not a quick, cuz it's a game of chance. But, it can be a temporary fix. A lot of people for whatever reason, may not have the education to acquire a job, or may not have the time to wait to accumalate $.
I don't condone it when used for selfish reasons, but I understand and someone exhausting all lawful options to do what it takes to support their family.
A "chance" is not a temporary fix. If one has the money to gamble, I'm sure one has the money to pay ones' bills and support ones' family. Besides, a temporary fix can be borrowed investment, from family members, friends, acquaintances, banks, credit cards, etc., with the undrestanding of repaying them back in due course. In this way one doesn't LOOSE their money as in a "CHANCE/GAMBLING". There's no excuse of finding a job/work regardless of the amount of return. In other words, an engineer or a doctor being unemployed and having financial problems can very well get a job of a janitor, if that's what it takes to support your family and bills.
Btw and FYI, I was once a great gambler in Las Vegas and have known many personalities at several casinos. I survived but almost all of them, both rich and poor, succumbed to their financial greeds including their loved ones.
I've been off and on from employment, for longer periods and hardships, but guess what, I've always paid my bills and supported my family without having to "gamble". It takes courage and responsibility my friend. Be HE Glorified.
Take care and GOD bless.
Peace
That's why I put can be a temporary fix, cause you can win, or you can lose. Their's more games and ways to win $ then what u just see in a casino. You can start small, of course you will have to use your winnings to win even more.
Congratulations on your victory, most definitely ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO ALLAH
Peace
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Hi,
Support for upholding of our life?s necessities can only be taken out of values that exist in a community.
The ground rule of the message in the Qur?an concerning this matter is very simple and says that every human being has the right to a share in the wealth of the community.If you are fit and able, and there is nothing holding you back from adding to the values of your community, you have a duty to do that, and from this added value, you are entitled to a certain part, the rest is to be kept by the community, for common needs.
If you are not fit or able, and there is no way you can contribute, you are entitled to support from the common values in the community.Gambling is not creating any added values to the community; it is only shifting already existing values from one hand to another, regardless of needs or rights in any way, thereby breaking the very simple ground rules of distribution of values.
As soon as we accept gambling we accept an unfair distribution of wealth.
I.e. we accept to take values that rightfully belong to others, and we accept to let others take values that rightfully belong to us.?In them is great harm, and a benefit for mankind; but their harm is greater than their benefit.?
?You shall avoid them?It is not forbidden, but it is said that this is not a good way to distribute values in a community.
Regds
Ali Omar
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Peace
Stock market
Real estate
Both are forms of gambling.
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Peace
Stock market
Real estate
Both are forms of gambling.
Peace esimsek100,
I can understand stock speculators but real estate? There are lots of people who buy property for good reasons, like occupying them or leasing them to tenants.
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Salam Ali Omar,
?You shall avoid them?
It is not forbidden, but it is said that this is not a good way to distribute values in a community.
Khi- GOD says 'faajtabuhu' which means 'to abstain' n this is a command from GOD n is thus clearly forbidden. U can use different words n phrases 2 forgive something. Unfortunately some ppl deparately look 4 the magical word 'haraam' in the Quran 4 something 2 be forbidden. If this is so then how abt cheating n robbing. Those have not been declared 'haraam' in Quran. Yet r they foprbidden or not? GOD Bless!
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Hi idmkhizar,
What is ?robbing and cheating??
In my vocabulary it means someone is forcefully acquiring something that is not rightfully his/hers. Or, in short ?stealing?, or ?theft?.
Since the Qur?an mentions a certain punishment (under the law) for this, it must mean that it is not in accordance with the law, or simply unlawful?Regds
Ali Omar
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Peace
Stock market
Real estate
Both are forms of gambling.
Peace esimsek100,
I can understand stock speculators but real estate? There are lots of people who buy property for good reasons, like occupying them or leasing them to tenants.
PEace,
my point is that both are froms of gambling.
What we are doing by shunnin both intoxicants and games is putting words into the mouth of God.
Fact is they are not illegal. We are advised by the lord to stay away from them but they are not illegal.
For people to come here and start claiming that they are illegal/ a sin is ridiculous!!!!
You shall not approach salat under the influence of intoxicants.
This verse CLEARLY points out that intoxicants are not illegal. For if they were it would be contradictory, to the spirit of the Quran, as the Quran describes a "perfect" muslim but in this instance there is a chance that that "perfect" muslim is able to be intoxicated.
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What is ?robbing and cheating??
In my vocabulary it means someone is forcefully acquiring something that is not rightfully his/hers. Or, in short ?stealing?, or ?theft?.
Since the Qur?an mentions a certain punishment (under the law) for this, it must mean that it is not in accordance with the law, or simply unlawful?Regds
Ali Omar
Khi- Salam. In case of robbing u r right. In case of theft n cheating theres no direct force on the ppl. Another example is adultery. GOD Bless!
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You shall not approach salat under the influence of intoxicants.
This verse CLEARLY points out that intoxicants are not illegal. For if they were it would be contradictory, to the spirit of the Quran, as the Quran describes a "perfect" muslim but in this instance there is a chance that that "perfect" muslim is able to be intoxicated.
Khi- Salam. I explained this already in another post. A peson need not intoxicate himself in order 2 be intoxicated. He cld be made 2 be so. Besides the word 'sukaara may also refer 2 a state of mind where ur not properly in ur conscience like just after a very short sleep when u r strill very tired. U shld not observe salat in such conditions. Then there r medicines which one may have 2 take but which have a mind covering effect. Thus this verse by no means implies tht u can intoxicate urself deleberately outside salat. GOD Bless!