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When anti-Semites use the Qur'an to hate

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    afdhere
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    Salam,

    Did you have the chance to read the "anonymous" person who wrote;

    http//www.free-minds.org/Arab_Conspiracy.html

    ?

    Among the support used to tell us that "Arabs" conspired against Islam is that Arabs are wicked-- though the Qur'an is very clear that only among the Arabs are found wicked, like any other people... which is exactly why the Qur'an says such thing. So that people don't go around worshipping Arabs -)

    It is funny that such non-Arab "anonymous" anti-Semites choose to relate some of the verses... but do not acknowledge the whole portion.

    It should be noted that this is not a new thing. In the past, anti-Semites have long used half portions to justify to encourage hate against Jews, for example, or early Christians (who were Jewish, as well.)

    I would like to point out to such anti-Semite people that it was an Arab... who God chose-- yes -- above all man -- to carry out the Qur'an. Perhaps it is such fact that hurts them roll

    As a non-Arab, who is very critical of early Muslims, it saddens me when folks choose to be so hateful... especially in terms of race. And even more saddens me when they use the Qur'an to excelarate their hate.

    Fortunately, just like before-- God is alive, aware and kicking 😉

    Cheers cool

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      yellowdog8272
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      From what I have read is that the article is misquoting the Qur'an. For example the author seems to think that the Qur'an says that all Arabs are hypocrites (lol). There is no reason for God to say anything like that. Also here is an example of non-Arab 'Muslim' crimes that ruins the image of Islam today too which Aidad Sadar will never mention

      Ottoman Empire which massacred and raped +1m - Turkish, more can be read here https//www.quora.com/What-are-some-mind-blowing-facts-about-the-Ottoman-Empire/answer/Sven-Larsen-4
      Those who hjiacked Islam by writing the Hadiths were of Persian origin.
      Timur, a 'Muslim' warlord that slaughtered +10m people while sacking cities (including Arab cities) - Non-Arab, Turco-Mongol conqueror https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur
      Mujahideen - Mostly South-Asians
      Talibans - South-Asian https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
      Mongolian 'Muslim' warlords who expanded their empires through massacres, looting and rape, for example https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nogai_Khan or https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berke

      Here is an example of the Mongolian empire expanding through massacres. Now not all its leaders were Muslims, but some Mongol Generals were converts to Islam that were leading the massacre.
      http//i.giphy.com/xT9DPoQHXDHxZ2NFrq.gif

      Now if you want to take a look at Western atrocities/warcrimes

      Over a million German women were raped by Soviet soldiers and the Allies. https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
      Hitler killed millions of Europeans in the name of his Nazi ideology.
      Stalin starved nine million Ukranians to death, sent millions of soldiers as cannonfodder and trippled Eastern Europes debt with trillions dollars worth of damage.
      +50 million Westerners were killed during WW1-WW2 by Western dictators.
      The Crusader which massacred Muslims, Jews and other non-Christians especially when it entered Jerusalem until the Arabs came, recaptured the place and decapitated Raynald Chattilon (a European warlord who slaughtered Muslims and raped and killed Saladin's sister). https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raynald_of_Ch%C3%A2tillon

      http//s8.postimg.org/ezjduoufp/BNF_Mss_fr_68_folio_399.jpg
      Picture depecting Saladin decapitating Raynald Of Chatilon outside Jerusalem

      And don't forget that it was actually Arabs (although only some were religious) that rebelled against the Ottoman and destroyed the Ottoman empire. In Syria and Lebanon there is something called 'The Martyr Day' which is a Syrian and Lebanese national holiday commemorating the Syrian and Lebanese nationalists executed in Damascus and Beirut on May 6, 1916 by Jamal Pasha (Ottoman Soldier), also known as 'Al Jazzar' or 'The Butcher', the Ottoman wli of Greater Syria. https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs%27_Day_(Lebanon_and_Syria) It was also the Arabs that were fighting against the Mongolian invasion.

      When anti-semites use the Qur'an the first thing they do is to try and prove that Qur'an justifies a Jewish homeland even though that is not true.

      In conclusion there is no reason for the Qur'an to stir hatred towards all Arabs. The article ignores that Muhammad was an Arab now deal with it. To say that Arabs were hypocrites or that they ruined the image of Islam is just hilariously stupid and ignorant of facts. If God was refering to all Arabs when he said that Nomads were hypocrites, he would not have allowed Muhammad to become a prophet. Therefor Qur'anic verses such as (997) is not refering to Arabs but only to Nomads. If you are gonna bash Arabs, then I'm pretty sure you can find just as much arguments against other peoples.

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        marifhaq
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        Dear Mquran,
        Wise one / Burnout, Salam, You said ,Al-Araboo does not mean arabs..! well if so than post from dictionaries the meaning of Al-Araboo.
        Well, again if it means,as u said, people living near city of Madina who were not believers,well then u must quote the period of revelations of these two Ayats,why are u sparing people of Macca..?? Moreover there is no disgrace in word Al-Araboo being wicked and dishonest ,because they were indeed so before islam,.What about people living near cities of Madina and Macca who were jews,christians and Sabaeen etc,.as mentioned in quran,were they AlAraboo or just Arabs..?? please I hope that this post does not irk u,angers u ,as being a senion mewmber on this forum,do not get irritated ,just let me know the name of dictionary where u saw people near City of Madina and u disregarded all the dictionaries of the world,Peace,thanks,also I beg ur pardon for sticky keyboard for spelling mistakes,sorry.

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          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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          582 You will find the people with greatest animosity towards those who acknowledge are the Jews and those who set up partners; and you will find the closest in affection to those who acknowledge are those who said, "We are Nazarenes;" that is because amongst them are Priests and Monks, and they are not arrogant.

          I used to have trouble with this verse because I, like many others, was scared to be "antisemitic," but now I know about zionism and the Talmud as well as other Jewish teachings, and it is accurate.

          "A Jew may rob a "goy" (literally means cattle - the word they use to describe non-Jews), he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonored."

          • Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348

          "The Jews are called human beings, but the "goyim" (non-Jews) are not humans. They are beasts."

          • Talmud Baba mezia, 114b

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            Man_of_Faith
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            The Jews refer to that these people are lifeless. Cattle is a little derogatory, but it is also quite defining. It can shine with a bit of arrogance despite being true and one has to use it wisely and in its proper context and not as a word for cursing.

            To call someone al-mowt in Arabic is also on the same level as you will call them lifeless (no character/lifesign).

            Pagan (from Jinn/Gann) is slightly less offensive, but it does imply a person is worldly (bodily). They live for the other world, namely this one. These people are the lifeless in reference.

            Wellness to you
            Amenuel

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              No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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              "Kill the Goyim by any means possible."
              -Choshen Ha'mishpat 42550

              "Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God."
              -Yalkut 245c

              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                That does not come from an authentic source, it does not even appear to be Judaism but must be from some group who claimed to have religious authority and said something like that. The Jews were told "you should not kill".

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                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                  That does not come from an authentic source, it does not even appear to be Judaism but must be from some group who claimed to have religious authority and said something like that. The Jews were told "you should not kill".

                  You are so naive. Almost all religious Jews today (except the tiny group of Karaites) follow the Talmud and other filthy teachings. Secular/zionist Jews are very tribalist and supremacist as well as it is based on the Talmud, Zohar, etc. The Jewish version of hadith and sunna, but millions of times more hateful. They also changed the Torah. Do you believe God?

                  446 Among those who are Jewish, some distort the words beyond the truth, and they say, "We hear, but we disobey," and "Your words are falling on deaf ears," and "be our shepherd," as they twist their tongues to mock the religion. Had they said, "We hear, and we obey," and "We hear you," and "watch over us," it would have been better for them, and more righteous. Instead, they have incurred condemnation from GOD due to their disbelief. Consequently, the majority of them cannot believe.

                  4160 Because of the wickedness from those who are Jews, We made forbidden to them the good things that were lawful to them, and for their deterring many from the path of God.

                  582 You will find the people with greatest animosity towards those who acknowledge are the Jews and those who set up partners; and you will find the closest in affection to those who acknowledge are those who said, "We are Nazarenes;" that is because amongst them are Priests and Monks, and they are not arrogant.

                  7163 Ask them (i.e. descendants of Israel) about the town which was by the sea, after they had transgressed the Sabbath; their fish would come to them openly on the day of their Sabbath, and when they were not in Sabbath, they would not come to them! It is such that We afflicted them for what they corrupted.

                  7166 When they persisted in what they had been forbidden from, We said to them "Be despicable apes!"

                  This is just a sample. The Quran also speaks about sending God's servants against the transgressing Jews. Stop being "politically correct," because the Quran isn't like that. It simply spells out the truth.

                  When you see Talmud/Zohar and the Zionist domination in the middle east and in western politics, media and banking, all of this becomes clear.

                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                    No. I am not naive and quite aware of what THEY do, but they are not really Jews either by definition. And anyone who acts like one can be a Jew too, it is all about filling an attribute. I can be a Jew or you can be one.

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                      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                      No. I am not naive and quite aware of what THEY do, but they are not really Jews either by definition. And anyone who acts like one can be a Jew too, it is all about filling an attribute. I can be a Jew or you can be one.

                      OK. Well then you don't understand Talmudic Judaism. The problem of zionism is deeply rooted in Judiasm. They have been a problem before they came up with the term "zionism."

                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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