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    Natu
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    So, Idolfree... are you a muslim? or an apostate like me?

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      marie
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      Peace Kyle

      Not "named" but described us as peacefully submitting.

      Juste a rematk, wasafa/to describe and samma/to name maybe have a common notion by they are not de same things. TBoth are used in the Reading.

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        khalil
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        Peace Lotetree

        Yeah me too. I like this idea! -)

        Never looking back or too far in front of me
        The present is a gift and I just wanna be. - Common

        ) hear hear (here)

        "I am what I am" - I have been told that in Hebrew it means very vague i.e it means something like God saying to Moses to mind your own business!

        The version I was told read's as I Am that I Am God is everything (I am that I am) and we are I Am (a part of everything, God), on our return to being I Am that I Am.

        I did a quick google and the overall translation seems to be that (see me).

        Good point perhaps. But we are Human Beings regardless whether you believe in a soul or not?

        If this is what you believe then this will be your truth. If I believe the world is beautiful then it becomes beautiful and if I believe that the world is ugly then it becomes ugly, we create our own realities.

        We are a soul if we believe we are and we are a human being if we believe we are, everything just is neither good nor bad until we declare it to be.

        I should add that the limit's of being a human are based on how one defines a human. The majority do seem to believe that we are human's and just that, we have boxed our self into the world of physical beauty and are now a slave to time. What we dwell on we build, all are borne in the womb (within).

        Now would you say you are a car or driving a car, why then say we are human beings ?

        You see what was truth to you lastweek may not be truth to you today, yet to another it may still be truth. And this does not make them or you wrong, because we create our own realitie's, everything starts as a thought and are not thoughts real (Making them true)?

        There were those who believe'd that the world was flat and never ventured beyond and there were those who believed the world was round and ventured beyond, will you?

        Yes I have a body, a human body but I am not my body, my human body.

        peace,

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          Idris
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          peace be upon you khalil,

          Never looking back or too far in front of me
          The present is a gift and I just wanna be. - Common

          sorry to get off topic, but have you heard the bootleg of Common's new album "Be"? its classic to me, what are your thoughts, that line stood out to me too btw

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            khalil
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            Peace Idris

            sorry to get off topic, but have you heard the bootleg of Common's new album "Be"? its classic to me, what are your thoughts,

            I have only heared two tracks off of the album, BE and an amazing remix of the corner (here).

            Common's last three albums have being amazing and he alway's comes with something unique, creative and beautiful each album (yes! including Electric Circus eek, so I'm holding out for the retail Only thing im a lil erk'd about is that Kanye is to be on most of the tracks .

            that line stood out to me too btw

            It's funny because I am reading a book right now that use's the term isness to define God as just BEing so the line has stood out to me in a much deeper way now, good way to end a song.

            What are some of your favourite tracks of Common's? G.O.D, Retrospect 4 Life, Time Travling, Ghetto Heaven, Nag Champ and Between Me, You & Liberation are all amazing classic's IMO.

            peace,

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              marie
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              Salam Natu,

              Secondly, even if we are supposed to be known as "Muslims" - that is not becuase we have a label on our foreheads saying we are muslims, it is becuase we have the spiritual status to be "muslims" - (One who is at peace) -

              Exactly. It is not a label, being muslim implies being muslim to the God (320)

              Sorry I must leave.

              Peace

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                Natu
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                Thanks marie - I think I'll end it here as well.

                So we are muslim on and off depending on whether we are at peace or not - so we cannot call ourselves muslims for we may not be all the time. Muslim is a person in a specific state of mind, which doesn't neccessarily remain constant. So I am not muslim, and Ihave no religion, (shiya'an) I only have an oerly prescribed lifestyle (Den) - and you can guess what Iread in my spare time... Good old Aidy Zaffy wink

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                  Hello Khalil,

                  Thanks for your thought.

                  I did a quick google and the overall translation seems to be that (see me).

                  The original Hebrew words were "Ehyeh asher ehyey" and have been translated as "I am Who I am. But I take it overall meaning would be I am that I am...

                  Thanks for the clarification.

                  Thanks for your thoughts on this topics. I understand what you are trying to convey...

                  Regards,

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                    Thanks marie - I think I'll end it here as well.

                    So we are muslim on and off depending on whether we are at peace or not - so we cannot call ourselves muslims for we may not be all the time. Muslim is a person in a specific state of mind, which doesn't neccessarily remain constant. So I am not muslim, and Ihave no religion, (shiya'an) I only have an oerly prescribed lifestyle (Den) - and you can guess what Iread in my spare time...

                    being at peace is a consequence of being muslim to the God; serving only Him.
                    One is safe/in peace while entering in the God's system.

                    In 3929 is agood example

                    1. God cites the example of a man belonging to partners that dispute about him, and a man belonging to only one man. Are they the same? Praise be to God; most of them do not know.
                      Daraba Allahu mathalan rajulanfeehi shurakao mutashakisoona warajulan salaman lirajulin hal yastawiyani mathalan alhamdu lillahibal aktharuhum la yaAAlamoona

                    A. Shabir
                    3929 Allah gives you another example There is a man who deals with several disputing supervisors, compared to a man who deals with only one consistent supervisor. Are these two equal as regards their condition? All Praise is due to Allah (the One Master of all mankind!) Nay, but most of them know not (the Bliss of strict Monotheism (1239)).

                    Good old Aidy Zaffy wink

                    I don't get what you mean?
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                      khalil
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                      Peace Lote

                      Thanks for your thought.

                      Thanks for your inquiries, I'm glad to have contributed.

                      I understand what you are trying to convey...

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                      peace,

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                        Idris
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                        peace be upon you khalil,

                        I have only heared two tracks off of the album, BE and an amazing remix of the corner (here).

                        ive already heard the remix of the corner, i like it better than the album version but I still love the album version

                        Common's last three albums have being amazing and he alway's comes with something unique, creative and beautiful each album (yes! including Electric Circus eek, so I'm holding out for the retail Only thing im a lil erk'd about is that Kanye is to be on most of the tracks (.

                        i was actually excited that Kanye would be on all or most of it, I didn't enjoy the production on Electric Circus, the thing is that Kanye doesn't do much of that enoying sped up vocal sampling on his production as he usually does on the album (based on the bootleg), only had one or two beats like that

                        It's funny because I am reading a book right now that use's the term isness to define God as just BEing so the line has stood out to me in a much deeper way now, good way to end a song.

                        What are some of your favourite tracks of Common's? G.O.D, Retrospect 4 Life, Time Travling, Ghetto Heaven, Nag Champ and Between Me, You & Liberation are all amazing classic's IMO.

                        Retrospect for Life is one of my favorites, I Used To Love H.E.R., Its Your World (from the new album, instant classic to me), Respiration (though he only had one verse on it, it was with Black Star), etc.

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                          Peace Idris

                          i was actually excited that Kanye would be on all or most of it, I didn't enjoy the production on Electric Circus,

                          I liked the overall production except for Come Close, my CD was missing one track strangly S. It's a real great album, but if you'r listening to One Day It'll All Make Sense then smoothly transfer to Like Water for Choclate you'll probally spill your water and chocolate when you reach Electric Circus because it's such a drastic detour from Common's previous paths, but he ain't switch over, he just made his own lane. It was definitely unexpected, so the album was terrible first hand when I was expecting ol common.

                          the thing is that Kanye doesn't do much of that enoying sped up vocal sampling on his production as he usually does on the album (based on the bootleg), only had one or two beats like that

                          I'm more concerned that Kanye will do a terrible chorus! evil

                          Retrospect for Life is one of my favorites, I Used To Love H.E.R., Its Your World (from the new album, instant classic to me), Respiration (though he only had one verse on it, it was with Black Star), etc.

                          Retrospect had a great video, I love the colours they blend with the song, the whole vibe from that era was so very soothing. I play I Used to Love H.E.R to many times, I used to like it alot, still classic but not for everyday use. I don't recall how Respiration sounds but Thieve's In The Night is a classic.

                          peace,

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