Should Albion Be BANNED??
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Really, I begin to notice that another 5 new members just register today, and the votes against albion's expulsion is rising.
Looks like dirty political tactics to me. Vote rigging. I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
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Peace all,
Really, I begin to notice that another 5 new members just register today, and the votes against albion's expulsion is rising.
Looks like dirty political tactics to me. Vote rigging.
Yep, you got it.
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
I did....
Nevertheless, when Layth and the guys are ready to disband the poll and tally the votes, to be fair, they should discount the votes in favor of albion by the new registered members and those who didn't post a reason as to why they voted against albion's expulsion (Like Anwar, ZS, Mmkhan and others have done.)
Logically thinking, no one who has never posted here and is not a regular contributor have no right to vote, so even that alone should discount the votes of our mysterious new friends.
Peace.
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Salaam,
Andya Primanda wrote
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.I did....
Now aren't you playing with labels x You should leave this to albions and his likes!
Also Damon wrote
they should discount the votes in favor of albion by the new registered members and those who didn't post a reason as to why they voted against albion's expulsionI follow your reasoning concerning the new registered members - but not the second part. In this case we can only count the votes for albions expulsion which were accompanied by an explanation as well...I voted him out but didn't give an explanation - this is something you usually don't need to do when you vote. Please guys, cool down
Elke
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what exactly has this guy done wrong because I honestly don't get it...
with that guy Doctor NO I could see why perhaps...but what exactly is the issue with this albion dude?
peaces outs dudes...
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Peace everyone,
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
And in response
I did....
I see some people are coming down on Andya Primanda, but no one is coming down on me. Well, I don't know about Andya Primanda, but I meant what I said. I have no intentions of retracting my statement either.
Neither the Jews, nor the Christians, will accept you, unless you follow their system. Say, "GOD's guidance is the true guidance." If you acquiesce to their wishes, despite the knowledge you have received, you will find no ally or supporter to help you against GOD.
They said, "GOD has begotten a son!" Be He glorified; never! To Him belongs everything in the heavens and the earth; all are subservient to Him.
Who is it that say that GOD has a son?? Does albion not profess that GOD has a son?
The reason that I say that they are dishonest is because they profess the most illogical belief there is....They claim that GOD has a son. Not only that, they claim that this son has died for THEIR sins!! This is the epitome of dishonesty. I stand by what I said and I'm not the least bit concerned with what others here may think of me because of it.
One more thing. Look at all of the posts by albion and ApplePie and tell me that you cannot see where they have demonstrated dishonesty on numerous occasions.
Peace be with you all,
Damon. -
Hi,
I do not think it is fruitful to discuss banning of anyone on the grounds that he/she is pasting events that have occurred in the World, even though it is one-sided. Facts are facts, but the minimum criteria should be that the sources for stories are given.
Banning of information is like putting your head in the sand when danger lurks.
This is the religious way, not the way of ?Free-minds?, or the minds are not free anymore, they become shackled like in the case of Sunni-sites etc.However, there is no need to answer on a ?cut-and-paste? entry like this albion-person is contributing with. Therefore it belongs on an ?FYI?-forum and not on a discussion-forum, and should be posted under such, or moved there.
If any of the material needs to be discussed, then post a message under a suitable forum for discussion.Please, please, do not stoop down to the level of ?I-know-the-truth-therefore-shut-up?, as we see on numerous ?discussion? forums on the Internet.
Best regds
Ali Omar
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Peace,
If I may add my two cents worth...
As the forum structure/rules currently stand, I do not support banning any person simply because he/she is (from our view) stubborn, closed minded, or refuses to engage in any dialouge and simply posts specific one sided or biast opinions.
The truth is with God and He is the only one who guides if the person is willing to submit/surrender to the Almighty.
What we have agreed for some time is that banning will continue to take place if any of the forum rules are being broken...If this is the case with Albion, then it should not even warrent a discussion (a private e-mail to myself or Zenje with a link to the offending post will suffice)...However, if none of the rules of the forum are being broken or if the issue is questionable, then I do not forsee any action being taken.
If my view is incorrect or mistaken, or if the members see that the forum rules need to be amended/expanded, then that is another matter and I kindly ask that whatever suggestions are for the benefit of the forum and group be made.
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Salaam Layth,
I do not support banning any person simply because he/she is (from our view) stubborn, closed minded, or refuses to engage in any dialouge and simply posts specific one sided or biast opinions
I agree with this. I do not think his one-sided posts need to be brought up. Those are his opinions and banning someone for their opinions or postings of opposing news should not be an option.
To everyone else, as Layth said, if Albion is breaking forum rules, or anyone else for that matter, send a pm to one of the moderators pointing out where you have seen this. We do not read all the postings on the boards. Thanks.
Joe
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Salaams,
Peace everyone,
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
And in response
I did....
I see some people are coming down on Andya Primanda, but no one is coming down on me. Well, I don't know about Andya Primanda, but I meant what I said. I have no intentions of retracting my statement either.
Neither the Jews, nor the Christians, will accept you, unless you follow their system. Say, "GOD's guidance is the true guidance." If you acquiesce to their wishes, despite the knowledge you have received, you will find no ally or supporter to help you against GOD.They said, "GOD has begotten a son!" Be He glorified; never! To Him belongs everything in the heavens and the earth; all are subservient to Him.
Who is it that say that GOD has a son?? Does albion not profess that GOD has a son?
The reason that I say that they are dishonest is because they profess the most illogical belief there is....They claim that GOD has a son. Not only that, they claim that this son has died for THEIR sins!! This is the epitome of dishonesty.
I stand by what I said and I'm not the least bit concerned with what others here may think of me because of it.
I believe that Andya would be concerned for that matter!
And I have to disagree with your understanding of those Ayat, Damon. Anyway, this thread is not for that purpose or is it? Do you want all Christians to be banned or just Albion?Peace.
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People, I see that some take issue with this matter.
As of now, my experience with those who claims to be Christians on the net is mostly negative. Not just here, but also in other forums that I frequent (like EvCforum.net). Sure, I've met some of the nicer ones, but these guys don't usually flaunt their 'Christian' identity so much that talking to them is just like talking to atheists/agnostics (with whom I haven't got any bad experience with) or Muslims. The Christians that gave me some of the less enjoyable moments on the net are mostly the ones that are most proud of their 'Christian' identity, which then go on preaching & harassing people & stuff.
I don't know how many Christians lurk on this board but in the last few months the Christians we see most often here are albion (which is currently spamming and rigging votes) and Apple Pie (which is an unfair debater). I know these two are not representative of the whole. But at least one of them has engaged in challenging discussions, which I do not mind, while albion has abandoned attempts at discussion and is now just copy-and-pasting articles that has the same flavour, demonizing Muslims . It is unfair to us, IMO, because we are not the community albion's campaign is targeted, where it's a lose-lose situation for us--agree with albion and albion will claim victory, disagree with albion and albion sees us as defending things we weren't meant to defend.
I am sorry if my comment offend people. But I will not retract it for the time being--I have seen that Damon's observation of possible vote-rigging is true, and this is a cowardly behaviour.
ps As I write this a new member has just registered and the new member probably voted against albion's expulsion. Now it's 1718. I stand by my position.
List of new members registering in the last two days, without one post
fy, nothgong, Northstar1, seymor, hayes, binks, samtoloui, mansio, kasamba, Awny, sabrina, yagmur, lofty, hajih, MUHANI, rukhsana, badawi, Amjad, ginger.-Edited to remove some genuine new members-
Maybe some of these people are genuinely new members. But that doesn't refute the suspicion that some were probably albion/albion's friends registering just to vote against. If that is true, then albion breaks rule no.5
- Do not use multiple usernames.
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Salaam,
This may be simpler for me to understand. If the community Albion is targeting is not representative of you and you agree with Albion that what they are doing is wrong then how do you lose? If you disagree with him it should be for the right reasons. If you are defending something it should be worth defending.
Joe
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Hello All,
Banning - What is going on here!?
The first sign of censorship on this forum appeared with the "Hypocrites amongst the forum members" thread a month ago and now a call for outright ban on a another member! This is not a good sign. This is a very bad sign of the worst to come perhaps! What next? whose next?
What has Albion done to incur your Great Wrath Damon that he needs to be Banned?
Can you not bear to look at the ugly face of Traditional Islam?
I thought you have rejected Traditional Islam so why should it bother you still?
Perhaps these threads should make you smile because you have left all this behind for good!
...And perhaps these threads should also make you little sad too for all those people who still live under such oppressive conditions of Traditional Islam?You are concerned that Albion is "spamming" this forum with negative threads and you are worried that "newbies" to this site may be misled by these posts. But I assure you, that no True seeker will be misled by these threads. In these posts a True seeker will see what they have always suspected about the Tryanny of Organised Religion!
There are better ways of dealing with members that seem to "spam" threads Damon. There are always other possibilities. Since Albion does not engage in debate, my suggestions to you in particular, since you are very worried that others will be misled by Albion's negative posts, would be to "Cut and Paste" a ready response to every thread that Albion creates, detailing your stance on Traditional Islam. This response could be very simple and short. For example
"Many here on this forum including myself have rejected Traditional Islam based on Hadiths and Sunnah etc etc...(I am sure you can elaborate on this Damon -)"
The other thing the administrators can do would be to remove "spam" threads automatically to "trash" when no response has been posted to a thread after certain period of time...
If Albion can be shown to have multiple Logins then he has clearly broken Forum rules and therefore he should face the consequences. He should be notified and his additional logins deleted immediately.
I therefore vote not to ban Albion.
Uphold the Principle Free-Minds, set yourself free...
Regards,
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Salaam everyone,
First, I just wanted you all to know that I created the actual poll for Damon and suggested this idea to him. I realize now that while the thread is okay, it seems that the poll was a mistake, especially after all the suspicion and 'rigging' that's been going on. I should have left the thread as it was, and everyone would just say, whether they wish albion to be removed or not.
I must say though, I found it interesting that members here would come out and 'tell off' others who have stated their dislike against albion's behaviour. On the other hand, those very members said nothing to albion for what s/he said or did. roll
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Greetings with peace,
Listen people. Instead of getting at each other, and instead of making conjectures, investigate this case. Check the list of those who have voted "No" and find out IF indeed Albion has used multiple users or if other than Albion has used multiple users. This CAN be done and therefore one of the suspicions can be settled.
Anwar Azim
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peace be upon all,
- tipcat 01 Jun 2005 0
2 Kamala 01 Jun 2005 0
4 ginger 01 Jun 2005 0
5 Amjad 01 Jun 2005 0
6 badawi 01 Jun 2005 0
7 rukhsana 01 Jun 2005 0
8 MUHANI 01 Jun 2005 0
10 hajih 31 May 2005 0
11 lofty 31 May 2005 0
12 yagmur 31 May 2005 0
13 sabrina 31 May 2005 0
14 Awny 31 May 2005 0
15 kasamba 31 May 2005 0
16 mansio 31 May 2005 0
17 samtoloui New York / New Jersey 31 May 2005 0
18 binks 30 May 2005 0
19 hayes 30 May 2005 0
20 seymor 30 May 2005 0
21 Norstar1 30 May 2005 0
22 northgong 30 May 2005 0
23 fy Bay Area 30 May 2005 0
^^^^this is suspect, the amount of people that have joined in the past three days is about equal to the amount of the people that joined from May 2-May 26
- tipcat 01 Jun 2005 0
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Salaams all,
I doubt there was rigging - its the trad muslims who do do this saught of thingy.
By the way it is holiday season from universities,colleges,schools -here in the Uk may be not elsewhere,so i would have expected extra new people joining Free Minds - don't you reckon the same? all.
Gods Blessings.
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peace be upon you mz,
I doubt there was rigging - its the trad muslims who do do this saught of thingy.
assuming that a person won't do something because they are not in a certain group is being prejudiced
By the way it is holiday season from universities,colleges,schools -here in the Uk may be not elsewhere,so i would have expected extra new people joining Free Minds - don't you reckon the same? all.
if you check other holidays and the amount of members joining there wasn't much of a change, this is suspect
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Peace,
How would you know for sure?
I would, for one, would like to know the truth about this matter. If I had the means, I would certainly investigate first. I would not go about conjecturing.
Anwar Azim
Salaams all,
I doubt there was rigging - its the trad muslims who do do this saught of thingy.
