A GREAT CONTRADICTION
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PEACE, IDOL,
Peace be upon you,
Did Allah, leave out any detail from Al-Quran, which could result in an individual going astray and thus going to HELL...yes or no?
I have a question I would like to test that statement with. Is it the right path or straying for a 45 year old man to sleep with young boys in his bed, even though no sex takes place?
I know the God speaks about chastity and homosexuality, but that does not apply here, so what is the ruling?
Before challange, you must first render your answers and then make you challenge based on that. No asking questions to questions, thanks.
Looking forward to your reply.
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Peace be upon you PB,
I will answer your questions.
- Do you agree or disagree that, relative to/specific to the above definition of GUIDANCE--as corroborated by those four ayats that, Al-Quran is fully detailed...yes or no?
Al Quraan is the guidance obtained from Universal Law, but I understand that you take it to be the title of a book so I will answer from your understanding. At this point I disagree, because I do not see if it is okay or not to sleep with young boys in my bed. Further, The God says that Al Kitaab is fully detailed, there is no verse saying Al Quraan is fully detailed. Al Quran is "guidance to the people (2185)"
For example, how is the following verse, addessed to the "believers" (Those who trust), to be understood if this Book we call "Koran" is "AL quraan?
(5101) You, those who trust, do not question/ask about things, if (it) appears to you, it harms you , and if you ask/question about it a time (when) the reading descends (it) appears to you, God forgave/pardoned about it, and God (is) forgiving/clement.
is the "Koran" going to descend to you? Or is it guidance of The God's Universal Law?
In other words
- Did Allah, leave out any detail from Al-Quran, which could result in an individual going astray and thus going to HELL...yes or no?
Al Quraan, the reading, is the reharsal of the God's signs from the horizons tro within our souls, which is Al Kitaab. That is why when the God's signs are regearsed they say "bring a reading other than this". TRhis Book you call "Koran" because of its size, cannot be "Al Quraan" and therfore cannot be fully detailed.
Is there instruction on how to start a fire?
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PEACE, KYLE,
Peace be upon you PB,
I will answer your questions.
- Do you agree or disagree that, relative to/specific to the above definition of GUIDANCE--as corroborated by those four ayats that, Al-Quran is fully detailed...yes or no?
Al Quraan is the guidance obtained from Universal Law, but I understand that you take it to be the title of a book so I will answer from your understanding. At this point I disagree, because I do not see if it is okay or not to sleep with young boys in my bed. Further, The God says that Al Kitaab is fully detailed, there is no verse saying Al Quraan is fully detailed. Al Quran is "guidance to the people (2185)"
For example, how is the following verse, addessed to the "believers" (Those who trust), to be understood if this Book we call "Koran" is "AL quraan?
(5101) You, those who trust, do not question/ask about things, if (it) appears to you, it harms you , and if you ask/question about it a time (when) the reading descends (it) appears to you, God forgave/pardoned about it, and God (is) forgiving/clement.
is the "Koran" going to descend to you? Or is it guidance of The God's Universal Law?
In other words
- Did Allah, leave out any detail from Al-Quran, which could result in an individual going astray and thus going to HELL...yes or no?
Al Quraan, the reading, is the reharsal of the God's signs from the horizons tro within our souls, which is Al Kitaab. That is why when the God's signs are regearsed they say "bring a reading other than this". TRhis Book you call "Koran" because of its size, cannot be "Al Quraan" and therfore cannot be fully detailed.
Is there instruction on how to start a fire?
Thank you very much for your reply.
Would you please copy and paste this reply under the thread dedicated to it SOME VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS... and I will reply to you there, thanks again for your reply.
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salam pb,
i dont know why you insist on going in circles. you just want to ask the same question over and over, no matter how many times i answer it. this time i'm answering you by actually quoting myself, to prove the point.
YOU SAID
- Do you agree or disagree that, relative to/specific to the above definition of GUIDANCE--as corroborated by those four ayats that, Al-Quran is fully detailed...yes or no?
I HAVE SAID AND HAVE BEEN SAYING IN PREVIOUS POSTS
Thus, the Quran IS complete, despite leaving out "details."
it should be obvious that the guidance IS complete
The Quran is complete, ALL the necessary guidance is there and even some of the laws are detailed... EVERYTHING WE NEED TO SUCCEED IS THERE!
I have said that ALL the principles are there. The APPLICATIONS/laws are NOT all there (only some).
if you had actually READ my posts... you would have realized that from post #1 I have ALWAYS claimed that the principles were complete. I simply was trying to say that the APPLICATIONS/ACTUAL LEGAL RULES i.e. LAWS (like do not speed, do this and you get lashed, this much income tax, etc) are not all there... drinking is fuhasha, zina is fuhasha... zina is specifically punished...
we both agree that all we need is the Quran and the Quran is complete and perfect. we both agree that we dont require outside divine sources and all necessary divine guidance is in the Quran.
Complete, perfect, but not detailed since detailed would mean that EVERYTHING was explained .... IN DETAIL... that when it came time to punish drinking, it was .... explained... you guessed it... IN DETAIL! Detail is not "figure it out yourself." Detail is this is exactly how you do it (such as in zina).
YOU SAID
- Did Allah, leave out any detail from Al-Quran, which could result in an individual going astray and thus going to HELL...yes or no?
I SAID
Thus, the Quran IS complete, despite leaving out "details."
And as above I made many other statements indicating the same idea... and if the Quran is complete, obviously if a person goes astray it is not the fault of the Quran.
Fully-detailed is simply the wrong word.. and you too, even YOU aren't using it to TRULY mean fully detailed.. you are simply using it to mean complete. And your above 2 questions display that as well.. all you are trying to say is FULLY COMPLETE, so WHY do you insist on using the term detailed which can lead to false impressions!
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PEACE, SHUAIB,
I replied to your post on the thread
SOME VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS
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salam pb,
The likely reason people do not like to discuss with you after a while, is because it becomes more and more obvious that you are agenda driven.
So true. See my appraisal and warning...
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4359
You make a big deal about wakas agreeing with you, (which ironically enough turned out not to be true), while it is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT how many people agree or disagree with you... truth is truth, regardless of popularity.
PRIEST_BOKMEI = dhulqarnain (banned twice before).
This reminds me of "dhulqarnain"'s list thread s/he started attempting to compile a group of people who believed in the same dogmas s/he did. On the face of it, it was Quran only/God alone people - but careful examination showed it was a subset of those who agreed exactly with dhulqarnain ie. PRIEST_BOKMEI's ideas.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1230
PB If people would simply accept 1+1=2, then, there would be no need to repaeat things.
Spoken like a true dogmatist.
1+1=2 would be a good statement, if PRIEST_BOKMEI aka DHULQARNANE could make it. Instead you'll just get....
1+1... 1+1... 1+1 over and over.
The misquotations are an issue and another example has been found.
This disgusting behaviour by PRIEST_BOKMEI aka DHULQARNANE is in my view something that should not be tolerated given the atrocious reputation of this individual.
Unfortunately, the newer or less experienced people are being sucked into agenda driven 'discussions' with this character.
Peace/
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Peace Oben,
This reminds me of "dhulqarnain"'s list thread s/he started attempting to compile a group of people who believed in the same dogmas s/he did. On the face of it, it was Quran only/God alone people - but careful examination showed it was a subset of those who agreed exactly with dhulqarnain ie. PRIEST_BOKMEI's ideas.
He added me too back then, though we disagreed on quite a few matters, maybe he thought I was agreeing with him like he thought Wakas was on the other thread wink I second millitant behaviour not being tolerated. These misrepresentations are a serious issue and need to be dealt with.
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salam pb,
The likely reason people do not like to discuss with you after a while, is because it becomes more and more obvious that you are agenda driven.
So true. See my appraisal and warning...
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4359
You make a big deal about wakas agreeing with you, (which ironically enough turned out not to be true), while it is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT how many people agree or disagree with you... truth is truth, regardless of popularity.
PRIEST_BOKMEI = dhulqarnain (banned twice before).
This reminds me of "dhulqarnain"'s list thread s/he started attempting to compile a group of people who believed in the same dogmas s/he did. On the face of it, it was Quran only/God alone people - but careful examination showed it was a subset of those who agreed exactly with dhulqarnain ie. PRIEST_BOKMEI's ideas.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1230
PB If people would simply accept 1+1=2, then, there would be no need to repaeat things.
Spoken like a true dogmatist.
1+1=2 would be a good statement, if PRIEST_BOKMEI aka DHULQARNANE could make it. Instead you'll just get....
1+1... 1+1... 1+1 over and over.
The misquotations are an issue and another example has been found.
This disgusting behaviour by PRIEST_BOKMEI aka DHULQARNANE is in my view something that should not be tolerated given the atrocious reputation of this individual.
Unfortunately, the newer or less experienced people are being sucked into agenda driven 'discussions' with this character.
Peace/
LOL! Man, have I ever struck fear deep into your dark heart, for you to be so obssessed/consumed by me and to keep up this bizarre and shaitanic crusade to defame me. You've lost all bearing and are simply making fool of yourself. With each subsequent post, you tell one and all, how afraid and defeated, as result of my arguments, you are..er..let me correct that...Allah's arguments, which I've articulated well, all praises due to Allah. You are a very envious, fear ridden, petty, and shallow individual. Indeed, it must be very painful/ugly being you.
"truth', here's another fact for you....there is no...truth in you....
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These misrepresentations are a serious issue and need to be dealt with.
Then let's deal with them.
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Then let's deal with them.
Excellent choice. Maybe you would like to start explaining why you are misrepresenting people when they themselves say they disagree with you and have been misquoted/misrepresented?!?
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Then let's deal with them.
Excellent choice. Maybe you would like to start explaining why you are misrepresenting people when they themselves say they disagree with you and have been misquoted/misrepresented?!?
I have no idea what you are talking about, so, why don't you give me an example of what you mean. Better yet, start a thread o it so we don't derail this thread, cool?
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I have no idea what you are talking about, so, why don't you give me an example of what you mean. Better yet, start a thread o it so we don't derail this thread, cool?
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4359&start=25