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    Salaam all,

    Before I post some of the interview that I just managed to catch tonight on ABC, I wanted to clarify that I'm only posting on what is an important subject. The ABC web page has headed the article to read - Brad Pitt Addresses Jolie, Aniston Rumors. I found that to be pathetic on ABC's part just because they know (I guess) that gossip sells. The show was more about Brad Pitt going to Ethiopia and helping out the poverty-stricken. What caught my attention to watch this was what he said -

    "A girl's education is $16 ? the price of a CD ? we're not talking about going to the people ? everyone forking out of their pocket," he said. "We're talking about arousing our government to say ? we have the potential to end poverty in our time ? What is more exciting than that?"

    Here's a part of the article;

    Pitt recently toured Africa, where he witnessed firsthand the devastating impact of AIDS and poverty on the continent.

    "Listen, we who were born in America have to understand, we hit the lottery by growing up here, by being born here," he said.

    He said the costs involved in making a real impact in the impoverished regions of Africa are minimal.

    "A girl's education is $16 ? the price of a CD ? we're not talking about going to the people ? everyone forking out of their pocket," he said. "We're talking about arousing our government to say ? we have the potential to end poverty in our time ? What is more exciting than that?"

    Suffering and Sparkles

    Pitt said he was frustrated by the fact that his personal life has been the subject of a media frenzy while the humanitarian crisis in Africa has received relatively little attention.

    "I can't get out of the press. These people can't get in the press. So let's redirect the attention a little bit," says Pitt. "It drives me mental seeing what I've seen and knowing that it doesn't show up in our news every day. I mean literally, thousands of people died today!"

    While he was in Africa, an ABC News search found 896 articles about Pitt. His Google count is now up to 2.7 million entries.

    "It's a strange focus, isn't it?" he asked. "That my relationships or relationship mishaps takes precedent over something like that ? I understand it's about entertainment, but man, it's misguided a bit, isn't it?"

    He marveled at the prices that celebrity publications paid for pictures of him with Jolie and her son in Africa ? estimated at $500,000 to $750,000.

    "It's an amazing fact, the bounty that's on my head and the lengths that these people go to get these shots and the amount of money that they're paying for these shots," he said. "I can't help but think what that money could have gone to. Hell, I would have set up the damn pictures myself."

    When asked why people should listen to him, or other celebrities, just because they're famous, he said "I don't know that we should ? I don't believe people should listen to me. I'm hoping the images ? will speak for themselves."

    Looking to the Future

    Despite the turmoil of the past year, Pitt insists it has been a good one for him.

    "New chapter," he said "Truly a really interesting time ? it's a shake-up year ? a blossoming year ? a year of re-direction and I find it very, very interesting."

    He added "Listen, everything, you know, has a cost. Every decision that's made and every choice in life ? I make my choices and I live with those. I like that. I like that. My mistakes are my mistakes. My wins are my wins ? that I can live with."

    It's a pity, I think, that they missed out on some important of the interview, and focused more on his romantic life. roll The fact that the cost of a drink and a sandwich in the U.S. can put a young boy or girl in school in Africa for 6 months.

    He said it well, we have the power to end poverty now, in this generation. Not just talk, not just wait for governments to take action... millions are starving, children malnutritioned, lack of medicines, lack of education (the list is endless)... I know, because I come from that part of the world. And I'm not just talking about Americans doing something, anyone... if you're reading this from a PC, even if it's not your PC... you're better off than millions of people, believe it or not.

    I almost laughed when Diane Sawyer said something like... "what about fixing the 'problems we have right here at home?... there's hunger in America... there's homeles people...?" In my mind I thought - you have no clue. The scale of poverty in third world countries is NOTHING compared to what you see here. Which reminds me, the other day, I was driving with my mum in the car when we stopped at the lights and there was a young woman with a cardboard box sign begging for money. My mum was puzzled when she saw her, and had to make sure by asking me what that woman was doing? When I told her, yes she was begging, she couldn't believe it. She said - "wait a minute, this woman who is less than half my age (my mum's about 60), with both her hands and feet in good order, and manages to write a sign like that... can't get a job, like me?... an old woman without any relevant education working days and nights sometimes... I'm supposed to feel sorry for her and give her money?" I think you get the picture.

    This kind of topic has been brought up before, and anytime it comes up, it doesnt even garner up 2 or 3 posts with valuable discussion... maybe even with a programme to get together and do something useful. Instead you'll see threads going for over 7 pages with little or nothing of consequence said. We don't have to be millionares to help, we don't have to make $20 an hour or more to be able to look upon those less fortunate. Yes, we have our own 'problems'... just put those problems on a scale with an orphaned child who has AIDS in need of medicine to relieve pain. cry

    I said more than I should have (and I'm the one who complains about long posts). Thanks for taking the time to read... I hope, if the God wills, for us to take action, individually or as a group.

    Peace be with you all.

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      Salaam,

      Damn, I feel ashamed for missing that interview. I like Brad Pitt. He and Jolie do have one thing in common that people should look at if they are fans of these two actors. They are really into helping out people in the world who are in bad positions.

      Joe

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        Peace zenje, and thanks for sharing the information about the interview.

        This is a very important topic, but I think sometimes such things don't generate a lot of discussion because people don't quite know where to start. We all agree that poverty's bad, that something ought to be done, but the enormity of the problem is almost overwhelming.

        The US contributes billions for famine relief in Africa, but the problem seems to continue.

        I try to make as many donations as I can to heifer.org, because I like the work they're doing around the world. They provide animals, bees and some trees, along with training on how to best utilize these resources, to people who live in poverty-stricken areas. There are some really moving stories on their website, if anyone is interested.

        http//www.heifer.org

        On your comment about the woman begging, here's something else to add to that, which I find disturbing. I live in a rural farming comminity. If it weren't for Mexican labors, the farmers would have no one to help them. Indeed, farmers all over the country have said they would go out of business for lack of farm help. Yet, people in the US complain about illegal immigrants and how they're using "our" resources. roll

        In my area, there's an organization that oversees the workers who come from Mexico for the growing season, and I did a story on them several years ago. They arrange for decent hourly wages, proper housing, transportation and fair treatment. All but one farmer that in the immediate area around my house use this organization.

        But the head of the organization told me that they're required to search for American laborers before hiring people from Mexico. The statistics he gave me were startling. Out of 5000 farm positions advertised in newspapers and sent to employment agencies and to unemployment agencies on the east coast, they average only a couple of hundred applications from US citizens each year. Out of that couple of hundred, only about 50 actually take the jobs offered, and fewer than half even show up for work.

        Among the Mexican laborers brought in are people who are bankers, teachers and other white collar workers during the winters in Mexico. But they make more money during the summer months on US farms than they do in their white collar jobs back home.

        I think if we do nothing at all...the least we can do is show some respect for the people who help put food on our tables. And support legistlation that will give them a break in some areas.

        And we can search for ways to help people who, as you said, truly have no way to help themselves. So I hope some who read this will check out heifer.org or share information about other worthwhile charities that are sincerely trying to make a difference in the world.

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          Peace be upon you Zenje,

          Thanks for sharing that. I had intended to watch that but forgot it was on. What part of Africa are you from? It is no secret that Africa is never head news. This world, with most of its inhabitants as rejectors, tends towards white supremecy. So dying Africans never seems to be a concern.

          I guess it would be correct to say that we should all start giving money to organizations set up to help, but it always concerns me that I cannot verify if my money reached the intended target. As was said already, why does it seem that a lot of money is sent, yet many problems remain?

          Is there some way we could , as a group, find out whats going on?

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            peace be upon you zenje,

            although I agree that individual and group charity efforts can help a lot, they don't strike at the root of the problem which is the economy and government these people live under, to do this you need to organize a people's (workers, peasents, middle class maybe) revolution to overthrow the government if it is not meeting the needs of the people and is on the contrary stealing from them, this may seem a little radical but many have been working within the system of these governments and our government and donating charity and it has not been working for so many years, the fact is working within the system never ends up changing the system but ultimately changing those within it

            lets use the Cuban revolution as an example, yes Fidel is a dictator, as was the man he overthrew, but because of him illiteracy in Cuba disappeared, 25% of Cuba was illiterate when he came in 1960 and by 1961 it was only 4% due to his anti-illiteracy campaign of sending thousands of teachers to rural peasant areas, Cuba's average life expectancy is equal to the U.S.'s, their infant mortality rate is the lowest in Latin America and equal to the U.S.'s, Cuba's healthcare is better than many developed nations, including the U.S., and they export doctors worldwide trying to fight AIDS and find cures and heal sick peasant people, but most importantly there is not an unequal balance of wealth as in the U.S., and the reason Cuba is poor is because of the U.S. embargo which included all Latin American countries to not trade with Cuba, so imagine what Cuba would be like if their leader wasn't a dictator and there was no embargo, it would probably be better then the U.S.

            all of this through revolution which took around four years to do perhaps we should consider this technique when helping extremely poor people living under unjust social structures, remember oppression is worse than murder (2191), that means the people have the right to fight back against it and we should support them

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              Peace sytalls, kyle n all,

              Thanks for that link, sytalls.. I'll check it out as soon as I can. Another link is - http//www.wfp.org/

              ..I think sometimes such things don't generate a lot of discussion because people don't quite know where to start.

              I agree up to a certain point. I feel that a lot has to do with a person's willingness to do something. If someone loves a certain type of music not available in regular stores, they will do some research, maybe run around until they get what they're looking for. They're willing to go the extra mile for something, they will make it hapen. But when it comes to helping others, you get many asking questions like that... yes, I want to... yes I know there are people who are hungry... but what can I do about it? At best, you get - yeah, but I don't know how to! o

              The problem further evolves to what kyle was talking about... and I totally agree with this concern...

              ...but it always concerns me that I cannot verify if my money reached the intended target.
              This is part of the problem that is actually happening, especially where governments are involved. The funds barely trickle down to the ones in need, after passing through a quagmire of corruption.

              Whatever we do, there will have to be an element of trust at some point. What I mean is, even if we did it on a small scale through an individual (as opposed to huge organizations), we still dont KNOW if the needy people will get it. Going to the affected regions, you'd have to be pretty well off to do that.

              So the way I see it, there's 2 main ways to go about it... donate individually, or as a group. If we're donating to or through U.N or something, then it makes more sense to donate individually. If we're targeting individuals to receive, then we would rather pool our little resources to make a bigger impact. I hope I'm making some sense.

              I know there's famine and needy people all over the world, but personally, I'm thinking and wanting to concentrate on a few countries in Africa. Again, coming from Kenya myself, I fully agree and support what Kyle said...

              It is no secret that Africa is never head news. This world, with most of its inhabitants as rejectors, tends towards white supremecy.
              In the interview, even Brad Pitt said how as an American, the majority are born into a 'good life', they're unaware what it feels to go hungry, or not to have medicine. And with that life, comes the feeling of superiority, like "we're better than them". He pointed out, if we were born here in Africa, we would be in the same situation they are in.

              There was a scene where he was invited to a house, and they were so happy and honoured to have him, they made a big loaf of bread... that being the only food they were able to offer. By the way, most of them didn't even know who he was. They called him 'bread' in their language (tavo). P

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                Peace Idris,

                although I agree that individual and group charity efforts can help a lot, they don't strike at the root of the problem which is the economy and government these people live under, to do this you need to organize a people's (workers, peasents, middle class maybe) revolution to overthrow the government if it is not meeting the needs of the people and is on the contrary stealing from them...
                The problem is, the people concerned, atleast the needy ones, are starving and can barely help themselves. The middle class and other workers are 'barely making ends meet' so they're not caring to the poor. The rich, well... I don't think I need to say anything about the rich. So over-throwing the government is almost impossible. I lived through one very short revolution attempt in 1988, it wasn't pretty, the working class people just got up and looted small stores of other working class people. Women were raped and killed (what had that got to do with the revolution?). But the attempt was thwarted because of self interests of many others.

                Plus there's the issue of tribalism... this is something that I can only slightly compare to racism in western countries, for others to understand. In Kenya, there are over 40 endegenous tribes, each thinks they are superior to the other for some reason. This automatically removes unity which is so important in any nation building or revolution for that matter.

                Now I agree, the governments HAVE the power to eradicate poverty. But totally lack the willingness to do so. Just like individuals, governments look into their self serving interests. That's why they would spend billions in fighting an insane war, than feeding and caring for the needy. Sure the U.S. spends a lot of money on aid... but if they put 10% of the effort they put in war... they would have ensured the people get what they needed, not only that, help further in educating children, give the tools and manpower to help the people help themselves and their future generations. Instead, we're good at plundering and wastage. Just the fact that someone is throwing good food in the trash, while another is starving in this small planet that we live in, is shameful. boo

                I better get back to work. Lets get something done... let's do what we can. Whether we donate $5, or push the governments, or simply encourage others (and ourselves) in doing something...

                Chapter 107

                1. Do you know who rejects the system?
                2. It is the one who mistreats the orphans.
                3. And does not encourage the feeding of the poor.
                4. So woe to those who reach out.
                5. But are totally heedless of their contact-method.
                6. They only want to be seen.
                7. And they deter from helping others.
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                  http//www.savethechildren.org/

                  http//www.savethechildren.org/images/one_campaign_header.gifTHE ONE CAMPAIGN

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                    The ONE campaign seems rather appropriate for people here, doesn't it? D

                    Thanks for the link, zenje. They'll be on my donation list from here on out.

                    For heifer.org, the thing I like about them is that they have programs where individuals can travel to places where training programs are taking place and see for themselves how funds are being used. They've also been featured in stories by 60 Minutes, Oprah and on some of the network nightly newscasts, as well as local newscasts. Speaking of Oprah, she has an Angel Network that highlights charities that her staff has researched and found reliable. I believe the Angel Network donates 100% of contributions received, with Oprah paying the administrative costs.

                    One thing you said is worth highlighting--about how the needy and starving people aren't in a position to overthrow anyone. If nobody's watching or paying attention, then it's very easy for corruption and brutality to continue. It's also easy to sit in a comfortable home, with a full belly, and wonder why people don't do something to help themselves. I think your call to action here is a good reminder that we all can benefit from sharing more of our blessings and fewer of our judgments.

                    While there are definitely people in the US who beg instead of work, there are also people who are trying as hard as they can and still living in poverty. Or who have medical or mental problems and end up homeless as a result. There are also victims of domestic violence, who have fled their homes with their children and the clothes on their back.

                    So for those who don't want to contribute money to some overseas charitable organization, how about donating money or some time in your own neighborhood? Maybe just one day a month or even every six months working a soup line? Or donating clothes? Or helping with a local food drive? Then you could easily check out how resources are being used.

                    Oh, one note about ABC's promotion of the show. I don't see it as pathetic, because if it got people to tune in and hear Brad Pitt's message, then that's pretty good. Personally, I wouldn't have watched, since I don't care what Brad and Angelina are doing. But I already contribute to charities, so maybe someone who doesn't will be made aware of the need through the broadcast and make an effort to help, when otherwise they wouldn't have thought to do so.

                    As for Sawyer's question, often interviewers will ask such questions in order to give someone a chance to explain their views. If the audience members are likely to be thinking, "Hey, we have problems here," then the question and the answer address what's already on their minds. It's a way to keep the interview subject from sounding like he or she is making a speech, while still revealing the important points or pieces of information.

                    Peace.

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                      peace be upon you zenje,

                      The problem is, the people concerned, atleast the needy ones, are starving and can barely help themselves. The middle class and other workers are 'barely making ends meet' so they're not caring to the poor. The rich, well... I don't think I need to say anything about the rich. So over-throwing the government is almost impossible. I lived through one very short revolution attempt in 1988, it wasn't pretty, the working class people just got up and looted small stores of other working class people. Women were raped and killed (what had that got to do with the revolution?). But the attempt was thwarted because of self interests of many others.

                      indeed, I do not think violent uprisings are the solution such as the one you described, they tend to differ from full scale revolutions constructed by one rebel army with one common objective, I suggest reading a Che Guevara biography, the one written by John Anderson preferably, it'll clarify the idea of an initial small revolutionary guerilla force gaining popularity among the peasant population until the numbers grow large enough to overthrow the government, also revolution doesn't always have to be through violence but can be through democracy like the one in Venezuela at the moment with Hugo Chavez, its basically any overturning of a government/economic system

                      Plus there's the issue of tribalism... this is something that I can only slightly compare to racism in western countries, for others to understand. In Kenya, there are over 40 endegenous tribes, each thinks they are superior to the other for some reason. This automatically removes unity which is so important in any nation building or revolution for that matter.

                      this didn't seem to be a problem in some Latin American countries, the tribes usually overlooked their disagreements to focus on the one common enemy, western globalization, i guess its different everywhere, if the tribal differences are that bad then we should try to get them to organize a temporary unity treaty together for the purpose of ousting the current system, Kenya has very bad problems

                      Now I agree, the governments HAVE the power to eradicate poverty. But totally lack the willingness to do so. Just like individuals, governments look into their self serving interests. That's why they would spend billions in fighting an insane war, than feeding and caring for the needy. Sure the U.S. spends a lot of money on aid... but if they put 10% of the effort they put in war... they would have ensured the people get what they needed, not only that, help further in educating children, give the tools and manpower to help the people help themselves and their future generations. Instead, we're good at plundering and wastage. Just the fact that someone is throwing good food in the trash, while another is starving in this small planet that we live in, is shameful. boo

                      I better get back to work. Lets get something done... let's do what we can. Whether we donate $5, or push the governments, or simply encourage others (and ourselves) in doing something... )

                      here is my problem with using other means than a worldwide revolution to wipe out poverty, we can keep giving charity and more charity but it never ever makes a large difference, sure it could help some small towns and individuals but rarely does it help whole cities and countries, the entire world spent 1 TRILLION on military spending this year, including over 200 billion in Iraq, imagine if we were to overthrow the U.S. government and were able to direct even a fraction of that amount for the poor, starving, uneducated, diseased, etc., we could spend less than half of that and eliminate most of those problems, instead we are spending on a war that was based on lies and false justifications which has killed over 100,000 POOR Iraqis, that alone is enough to call for revolution, even disregarding the thousands of other crimes the government has committed, anyways im kinda just repeating what your saying, but I'm all for helping people in the method of charity just we should not lose focus on the whole, just like that one quote you always say with Jet Li pointing to the stars sayin "if you focus on the finger you'll miss all the heavenly glory" we should work towards helping the people as a whole which involves replacing unjust governments with governments that work to fulfill the needs of all (a system truly based on God Alone)

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                        Peace Idolfree,

                        I agree with you totally on the concern about whether the money reaches the right people in the amount that was intended to got to them.

                        I think that we should set up a system of some sort to get money to these people rather than paying government companies. This is a very important issue, it's a shame that it's hard to help the people at this moment in time but God Willing if we set up a plan and an efficient way to deliver to these people then these people can gain something.

                        I don't trust most of the companies because I don't know who they are and why exactly I should trust them.

                        Nural

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                          Dear All

                          Poverty and education in Africa is a major issue and as Bro N.Amin said

                          I think that we should set up a system of some sort to get money to these people rather than paying government companies.

                          even i dont believe where the money goes, if given to a group as charity. Many maybe eaten up by them or top level executives as per my tiny brain.

                          I dont trust them at all.

                          One thing we can do is, if any bro here resides nearby ie. Africa, we can generate funds and provide it to him to carry out the charity on our own instead of relying on a group of charity based company

                          We should create a fund A/c for charity and maintain records/accounting for the same.

                          For me, I believe it better to give charity myself than to rely on groups/charity organisation and I do so when i go to India or give it to my parents/relatives to forward it to the needy ones.

                          Peace

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                            peace All,

                            As far as I'm aware it is possible to check the accounts of various charities in the UK. In fact, I used such a website yesterday, which discussed income/cost/staff/ratios etc.

                            Wakas

                            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                              Peace be upon you Zephyr,

                              Yes, it would be great if we could set up our own foundation, is there anyone here is in Africa? But then , at the same time, Africa is a BIG PLACE D But I guess we can start with seeing who is actually there. Hopefully it is someone who has been a regular participant so we can all feel comfortable with thier "righteousness".

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                                Peace all.

                                As Wakas said, there are ways of checking out various charities...they don't have to be "government" programs. There are many other options. And there is also God's guidance.

                                While I think contributions of any kind can be beneficial if they reach their intended targets, one thing that might be worth considering is the old "teach a man to fish" saying. There are charitable organizations that help people become more self-sufficient, as opposed to simply giving them money--opportunities instead of handouts. This kind of organization requires a staff of knowledgable people who can provide training or education...whatever is most needed.

                                It takes a while to set up a foundation and lots of work to administrate it and make decisions about how to best spend the money. There are also business papers to be filed for a non-profit organization that is licensed to accept donations. It's a huge undertaking, unless it's only for a one-time giving of money type of donation.

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                                  peace be upon you all,

                                  perhaps some of you remember my program/community for betterment, growth, and development i was planning to start not too long ago http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2374 and i know some of you remember my failed attempts at making workable forums for the program http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2968&highlight=program

                                  well I finally got a great site going together for it, its more of an idealistic plan then just giving direct charity to people in "third world" countries but that is definitely included as part of the program, once i got most of the site together I will show it you except if The God wills, let me know your thoughts

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                                    Update

                                    Rock star Bono urges EU to open wallets for Africa

                                    BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Irish rock star Bono challenged EU leaders on Thursday to forget national politics and open their wallets to boost development aid for Africa and stop thousands dying every day in "stupid poverty."

                                    "The message to EU leaders is don't blow it. This kind of momentum doesn't come every year," the U2 frontman, a leading campaigner for debt relief, told a news conference at European Union headquarters in Brussels.

                                    "Put down your national flags, look up from the numbers and look to the future," he said, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.

                                    He drew a rare round of applause from a packed press room, which Barroso and his commissioners often struggle to fill.

                                    EU ministers recently agreed to hike aid spending to implement a U.N. global poverty plan, in the hope of shaming other rich donors like Japan and the United States into giving more. The plan aims to halve the world's worst poverty by 2015.

                                    The new targets are part of a package aimed at raising EU aid to developing countries, particularly in Africa, and EU leaders should endorse them at a summit next week.

                                    "People are dying for the most stupid reasons," Bono said. "These are avoidable catastrophes. It's not wide-eyed, misty-eyed Irish nonsense these are achievable goals."

                                    The EU's target is to spend 0.7 percent of gross national income on official development aid in 10 years' time. This would boost aid by 20 billion euros a year from 2010, at a cost to taxpayers in the EU's old members of an extra 49 euros per head.

                                    Scandinavia, particularly Denmark, was a shining example when it came to giving aid, whereas his own homeland -- Ireland -- appeared to be lagging despite its new wealth, he said.

                                    And Germany, Europe's largest economy, needed to make good on its aid pledge and come up with hard cash, Bono said.

                                    "Chancellor Schroeder has told me personally that he wants Germany to commit to 0.7 percent by 2015. I believe him when he tells me that," the singer said.

                                    "But the man who holds the wallet, (Finance Minister Hans) Eichel ... needs to look up from the numbers and see that this is a moment in history for Germany to come out into the world.

                                    "They have to break some rules at home in the budgetary process in order to be part of history," he said.

                                    If EU leaders back the aid plan, they will still need to work out how to fund the ambitious targets. But agreement would strengthen Barroso's position when he speaks for the EU at the Group of Eight summit in Scotland in July.

                                    As current chairman of the G8 industrialized powers, Britain has declared 2005 a make-or-break year for Africa and wants to drum up support from rich nations to increase aid to the world's poorest continent.

                                    Barroso quoted a Bono song to explain why the EU should rise to the development aid challenge despite its political crisis after the rejection of the European constitution by French and Dutch voters.

                                    "Don't worry baby. It's gonna be alright. Uncertainty can be a guiding light," the Commission chief said.

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                                      Salaam,

                                      On another forum, I'm also having this discussion with some other guys, and I thought I'd share previous post here also...

                                      Is this really the best plan for ending poverty and hunger? I most honestly don't know. Both sides of the argument seem valid to me. I am having a hard time finding an unbiased look at how the group wants to achieve their goals. If somebody can show me that this is the best way to go about things, I will be more than happy to wear the white bracelet and hop on board with the movement.

                                      Hey Mark,

                                      I don't think there is such a thing as a 'best way'. I was thinking about the ways also, and came up with a blank. For years now, there have been charity organizations, private and government sponsored... yet poverty, hunger and disease is still rampant. Mainly, I attribute this to red-tape and corruption. The teach a man to fish concept is the way to go, especially if we're talking long-term. You'll also find that even government run charity organizations claim to do just that. A friend of mine told me about one organization - http//www.heifer.org - that does the kind of thing you're talking about. Again, this is not the best way because if you're
                                      dealing with people who are almost on the brink of death with malnutrition, or AIDS, they don't need lessons on how to fish/farm... they need food and medicine.

                                      Since THE ONE campaign is simply asking for your "voice", I don't think it's a big deal to commit to that. On the other hand you can choose out of the many options available to give, either money or commodities or even services. Ofcourse, only after checking whether they're legit. wink BTW, some organizations provide detailed breakdowns on charity expenditure, including salaries. Not that it provides 100% assurance or anything...

                                      Anyway, whatever you choose... there's a big element of trust involved... does the person in need, actually get what they need? Well, we could sit here and contemplate on that and have an excuse... or we could actually do something. idea

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                                        peace to all,

                                        I think its time for FM to organize entrepreneurs and come up with such business models that people can work, enjoy and be happy.

                                        Just talk wont do anything......Lot of research has been done already. Lot of knowledge gained....Now its time to get in action. We have managed to let loose the heavy burdens of hadith/corrupted traditions. Now its time to roll the ball in the court.

                                        FM should arrange some gathering place where new business plans will be developed and execute them for best result.

                                        What do you guys think? What better place than internet can it be?

                                        Peace

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                                          The latest on the G8
                                          http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4083676.stm

                                          I understand that it is frustrating that nothing seems to change even though aid continues to be given. And we rarely get to see where the money ends up. One possible way of seeing your personal contribution in action is to sponsor a child in a developing country. Regular feedback is given, with info & photos, even from the specific child benefiting from your contribution. One such example. Or give your time&money and volunteer for a project.

                                          I dont believe it is essential to have a co-ordinated group effort, but I can see its benefits. If it can be done, all the better, but we must start with ourselves

                                          "Be the change you want to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

                                          Wakas

                                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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