making sense of heaven/hell
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Peace Tay.
I understand completely about going too far in the direction of spiritual things, trying to take everything in. After such efforts I think we all end up finding our own logic--something that fits our individual ways of thinking and analyzing things. yes
And the plant experiment was exactly what I was referring to when I mentione talking to my plants! It's always stayed in my mind about how the plants seemed to respond. There were other experiments, as well, which compared growth rates and general health of plants exposed to different stimuli.
The evolutionists do love to go on and on about Darwin, don't they? There are also people who like to sound "scientific" jumping on that bandwagon, especially for nature programs. They make a broad assumption, even though there are some missing links in their chains.
Physicists talk about the Big Bang, but there's always room for doubt there. It's as if it's an okay theory for the moment, but there are some things that don't quite feel entirely right. Much different than the Darwinians and their smug certainty.
As for Brennan, I have heard of her, although not very much. Thank you for the link. I look forward to checking out her website. In a professional environment, she probably would have to keep her aura reading talents hidden. But the same could be said for any professional--a bank vice president, for instance, can't really go around talking about balancing chakras any more than a physicist at NASA. shock
For people like David Bohm, he has such excellent credentials and has explored quantum mechanics and theoretical particle physics so much that he can reach out a little further into the theoretical wild lands...and get pretty much everybody to listen.
Wow! The shockwave therapy you worked on sounds fascinating! Tendonitis is so tough to treat. Interesting idea--having the body heal the micro-injuries in order to heal the main tendonitis problem. And does this therapy usually work best early on for plantar fascitis? Or does it matter? I suppose the best thing is that it would make surgery unnecessary. Or would it?
My cousin insists that there is a sonic purpose to reading out loud or hearing the Qur'an being recited. I happen to agree as instinct, but with nothing further to back it up. This reminds me of a Hamza Yusuf lecture I watched back in my Sunni days. One thing he said stuck with me although I never remebered to research it. He said that "la Illaha Il Allah" is composed of healing and peaceful frequency. He tied it in to meditation and referenced some concepts which I cannot recall.
Oh, cool...thanks for sharing that. It fits with what I was thinking, but I'd never heard anything like what you said about the Hamza Yusuf lecture. ) I still say that part of the shahada before praying, because I've always just liked the way it made me feel.
Have you ever heard Wayne Dyer's audio program, "There's a Spiritual Solution to every Problem"? He discusses vibrational wellness. Well, he discusses just about everything, since the entire program is 6 or 7 hours long. wow I got it through the audible.com subscription program. They also have some terrific hypnosis programs by...the British guy...puts me under in seconds...Glen Harrold. Although it's not the same as the hypnosis program, I just did his chakra meditation this morning. I was feeling a bit stuffed up inside.
One note here...since this thread is about heaven and hell...from what we've been saying, doesn't it seem likely that hell would be where all the greed and lust and anger went on ahead of the souls that end up there? Where they would create that sort of environment, where appetites would never be entirely satisfied? A world without peace.
Hmmm. Nothing like ending on a happy note. hmm
Okay, well, I do look forward to hearing more when you get information from your cousin. giggle It's good that you two are on the same wavelength.
And...I really like this new smiley... sunPeace, love and blessings. hug
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I thought you are a guy? There goes my theory that you could tell the gender of the person by the style of their writing!!! -(
I was doing really well with my theory on this forum but now you spoilt it all -(mrgreen Sorry 'bout that, L-T! Must have been my husky writing voice. Happens during allergy system, when the pollen gets into my keyboard. wink
Ha ha -) Good one!
But I think your liking for physics and holograhic theory perhaps made me consider you as a guy. You know physics and holography is such a man thing ! -)
Just kidding! -)Because I know it couldn't have been that statement about the guy quoting the "jug of wine...and thou" line to me. hmm Or did I forget to mention that happened on a picnic?
I should have suspected it when you mentioned that your female friend used to read Omar Khayyam before going to bed!
...from wwwlm (woman who writes like man)
It can happen to anyone you know "after a loaf of bread and a jug of wine...." -)
Sytalls - is this made up name?
Regards,
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Peace everyone,
Loteree I thought that Sytalls was a man using your theory! I began wondering whether you was a woman sytalls, the only thing that made me think you was a 'chap' was the amount of posts and the content, the women on the forum don't post as much as the men! I guess the guys here are chatterboxes!
Anyway I love physics, just finished the last synoptic paper for my physics course. cry , gonna miss my lessons, really enjoyed talking about electrons and blackholes. (
Anyway now I have a peaceful summer ahead of me D .
You all sound very 'spiritual' on this thread, as though your very interested in meditation and stuff. I think there should be a section for that, a lot of the members discuss it, there are sections on 'hadith/sunnah' and 'bit on 19', I would prefer a meditation one where we can enjoy the silence!
Nural
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Peace all.
The truth is out--I'm a woman and just as much a chatterbox as the guys around here. It pretty much depends on whether I'm writing or procrastinating. Lots of posts (or wordy posts) = stuck in writing & procrastinating. Few posts = getting work done like I'm supposed to.
Nural, there's the meditation thread Idolfree started, but it would be great to have a "spiritual" section. Although, I suppose, the entire forum is basically concerned with spiritual matters.
It can happen to anyone you know "after a loaf of bread and a jug of wine...." -)
Sytalls - is this made up name?
shock There are some inhibitions that even a jug of wine might not be able to overcome!
Yep, sytalls is the name on an email account I've had for a long time. For simplicity, I used it when I signed up here at FM.
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Peace all.
The truth is out--I'm a woman and just as much a chatterbox as the guys around here.Ha ha -)
So all you "closet-women" pretending to write like men come out now where ever you are!!! -)Regards,
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Peace Sytalls,
Sorry 'bout that, L-T! Must have been my husky writing voice. Happens during allergy system, when the pollen gets into my keyboard.
Because I know it couldn't have been that statement about the guy quoting the "jug of wine...and thou" line to me. Or did I forget to mention that happened on a picnic?
Best regards...
...from wwwlm (woman who writes like man)
I always knew you were a woman...... I was shocked shock that LT did not catch on as he has the best record around here of discerning men and women from their writings ! I guess he might have forgotten to meditate on that one !! trance
How did I know? well that is simple, and did not require any meditation. ) Let me quote from your first post
sytalls
Joined 19 May 2005
Posts 82
Location United States
Posted Thu May 19, 2005 711 pm Post subject
Salam all. I'm new here. This thread caught my eye, and I decided to check it out to see if I would be welcome...being a woman and all.
However, even if you had not mentioned that so clearly, the whole of your first post is a complete give away as to your gender ! Anyone who is interested, following is the link !!
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=46204&highlight=#46204
As for myself, I thought Taj was a man for a while oops
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Peace everyone,
I think I have finally figured out where LT is from !! (nothing to do with heaven or hell though ) )
LT is almost certainly British, with an Indian background. Daffodils, chap, exorbitant cost.....were the key words ! )
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I always knew you were a woman...... I was shocked shock that LT did not catch on as he has the best record around here of discerning men and women from their writings ! I guess he might have forgotten to meditate on that one !! trance
I am afraid it is my fault. I only read systalls posts on meditations threads and not any of her other earlier posts. So you can say I was bit hasty labelling her as a man -)
But yes, she did ruin my Theory of being able to tell the gender of the person on their style of writing -(
but no worries -)Regards,
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Peace tanveer.
lol I was hiding in plain sight!
It's probably just a matter of hitting the right post at the right time. I'm not entirely sure, but I think, at one time or another, zenje, idolfree and mquran have all referred to me as "sister."
There were a couple of threads, where you and I were in agreement on so many things, I got the idea that some people thought you and I might be the same person posting under two different names. shock
As for my own misconceptions about other posters...maybe I should talk this over with shams' girlfriend. D I'll pull her out of my imagination and see what she has to say.
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Peace everyone,
I think I have finally figured out where LT is from !! (nothing to do with heaven or hell though ) )Oh thats a relief!!! -)
LT is almost certainly British, with an Indian background. Daffodils, chap, exorbitant cost.....were the key words ! )
But we all love daffodils don't we? I could be living in Holland with Tulips and Daffodils fields, and exorbitant cost? I could be living in Israel or something and chap is common word in the English speaking world and easily picked up if you watch a lot of British movies... -) -)
I am not what I seem.
Seeming is but a garment I wear
A care-woven garment that protects me
from thy questionings
and thee from my negligence.The "I" in me,
dwells in the house of silence,
and therein it shall remain for ever more,
unperceived...
-Khalil Gibran -
We are no other than a moving row
Of Magic Shadow-shapes that come and go
Round with the Sun-illumined Lantern held
In Midnight by the Master of the Show;The Ball no question makes of Ayes and Noes,
But Here or There as strikes the Player goes;
And He that toss'd you down into the Field,
He knows about it all--He knows--HE knows!The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.-)
Regards,
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Hello Everyone,
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3690&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=7cb7dca60b53bddb776e3842f2ab7b09
Just to let you know that I had doubts about Systalls being man or women much earlier!!!
so now I might able to salvage my Theory!!! -)
perhaps!!! -)Regards,
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Peace.
With every theory, there's always got to be a little uncertanty. So you simply hadn't had time to complete a full analysis, LT. lol
Maybe it's time to use one of FM's stock avatars...like this one
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/images/avatars/gallery/pics/girlwithbrownhair.gif
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Peace.
With every theory, there's always got to be a little uncertanty.Yes always true -)
Maybe it's time to use one of FM's stock avatars...like this one
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/images/avatars/gallery/pics/girlwithbrownhair.gif
Nice picture. But we will miss out on all the fun of trying to figure out who is a lad and who is a lassie? -)
Regards,
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Peace sytalls,
There were a couple of threads, where you and I were in agreement on so many things, I got the idea that some people thought you and I might be the same person posting under two different names.
Aren't we? You should not be giving away this secret !! shock
Juss kiddin wink
It does appear that we share similar views on a lot of subjects and find ourselves on the same side of the court. I tend to agree with almost all your posts; maybe that is why we have not locked horns in a debate with each other yet !
I find myself neglecting to use the right side of my brain a little nowadays ! You, however, exercise both sides of your brain (as is apparent from your posts ranging from the scientific to the poetic). You have a very good writing style and I always look forward to reading your posts.
As for my own misconceptions about other posters...maybe I should talk this over with shams' girlfriend. I'll pull her out of my imagination and see what she has to say.
It was uncanny how we both had the same misunderstanding. I haven't heard from Shams in a while. Maybe he has found a girlfriend now and has been busy !! wink If that is the case you might not have to pull her out of your imagination.
Juss kiddin Shams !!
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Peace all.
Peace tanveer.
lol I've blown our cover, haven't I?
Thank you for what you said about my writing style, and I definitely return the compliment.
There have been numerous times when I saw something and started to post, but you usually had already answered in the same way I would have. Well, actually in a better way, since you do an excellent job of citing relevant passages from the Quran.
Often I'm uncertain about doing that, because people here have a far better understanding of the subtle meanings of certain words or phrases than I do. Having been alone with only a Yusuf Ali translation for years, I'm scrambling to make up for gaps in knowledge. In combination with studying the links people have given me for concordances and different translations, the discussions here about specific words and nuances of phrasing have been a wonderful help.
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Peace icipchren. I had a thought on why shirk is the sin which is not 'neutralised' if continued. What if shirk is the rejection of 'doing what you know is good'.
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Peace Sytalls,
Thanks for the info and the references. I will be back later with some more questions for you. In the meantime, you don't need cable to watch the program...
http//www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
Peace,
TayPEACE
Wow just finished watching this. It's like the more we think we got answers to questions we end up having to answer more questions lol
Love the part about multi dimensional space and wormholes
If anyone knows a website or videos about further stuff like this please post.
PEACE