Perfect God=Perfect Creation
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Peace Idris,
Picture this
You build a chess table with all it's pieces in place and you build a gyroscope. You spin the gyroscope onto the chess table perfectly in between the two opposing forces. Now the gyroscope can move straight through the middle of the table and avoid hitting any chess pieces, or it can hit some pieces on it's way, or maybe even all the pieces. No matter what, the gyroscope will either fall off the table or stay on the table. What it does before that is the "choice" of the gyroscope.
I know this is an imperfect analogy as it does not account for time and space and the lack thereof, and it also impies a randomness to events that I do not think of as truth, per se. However, I do think that with the initiation of life via the Big-Bang, the universe was set into motion without further intervention. The end is inevitable, but what is in between is up to us.
The truth is there for us to acknowledge or ignore.
I think at some level, we are all responsible for what we now consider "genetic errors". Perhaps some of these "errors" have taken generations to manifest.
Peace,
Tay -
peace be upon you all,
if The God is perfect why are there genetic "errors" in our make up? wouldn't God's creation be perfectly designed? I understand that we are indeed created by an intelligent power, I have examined nature and all of it and its laws point to The God without much reasoning to do, its obvious, but not everybody is created perfectly, does this mean they are not the result of a perfect Creator?
You're assuming creation must be perfect. The fact is creation is not perfect, and it does not need to be perfect.
God creates as God wills--imperfections are just God's will.
In fact, if we want to talk perfection, I can give examples of supposed cases of perfect design that clashes with each other, like the cheetah and the gazelle, both perfectly adapted for speed because... the cheetah wants to kill the gazelle for food and the gazelle wants to escape and starve the cheetah.
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Peace be upon you all,
We have to keep a balance between the illusion of this world and the reality of ONENESS. We are sent to this low level of seperation to be TESTED. Each of us is being tested in different ways. A child might be born into a family who drinks and fights all the time, but that is crucial to the lesson theat child needs in this Life. Likewise, Someone born blind, or someone born into slavery, etc.
If we keep in mind that this is all a test that will be over one day, it helps us to transcend these conditions and get to the PEACEFUL state of mind described as the Garden.
Matter/Energy cannot be destroyed, so we will be given a new vehicle after this life and that will continue "as long as the skies and earth endure" says this reading.
Perhaps we should start a thread on reincarnation. If reincarnatin is true, then it explains a lot more. It would mean that perhaps ALL OF US will experience these types of so called "Mistakes" to see how we would fare in that test.
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Peace Kyle,
In "The Holographic Universe", Michael Talbot introduces some compelling evidence for reincarnation, such as children speaking foreign tongues, knowing ancient names and places, etc. At first I found it disturbing because my knee-jerk reaction was to dismiss it out of hand, as it did not seem to coincide with Qur'anic teaching.
Previously, I did not dismiss reincarnation because it is a staple of a different faith (Hinduism), but because it seemed a convenient answer to the ultimate question. It also seemed to me that one could not reach this understanding by observing/studying nature.
In nature, we only see decay and birth. But we do not see re-birth. If it exists, it remains hidden from our 'view'.
Upon completing the chapter on reincarnation, however, I decided not to close the door on the subject, because, after all, it is possible. I actually like the idea that we choose our current state previous to birth in order to participate in multiple levels of the human experience. I haven't given much thought to the implications of this mindset, but at face value, it seems pretty cool.
All that being said, at this point, my feeling is that what people may believe are memories of past lives may simply be an attunement to Gibreel, as the information layer is beyond time and space. I may remember being a roman soldier killed on the battlefield simply because a roman soldier was killed on the battle field and left a thought impression on the information layer, which I just happened to tap into. And since all thoughts are energy and there exists no time in reality, one can tap into all of the past experience of all people at any given time.
What do you think?
Peace,
Tay -
Peace be upon you Tay,
Well, as you know, I have been studying Kemetic Philosophy and that has opened up so much regarding this reading for me.
They also follow the idea of reincarnation. For many of the same reasons you pointe dout, I also TEND to agree with it, and I do see some verses that might verify, but there are some verses that may not as well.
The God says that the "next life" will last as long as skies and earth endure, well we know that everything that has a beginning has an end, so what does that say to us?
But then there is the verse that says no one returns for a second chance, but that could just mean that when you do return, it is starting all over, rather than starting from where you left off.
I don't know, I guess I will just be patient and let it come to me.
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Peace Kyle,
I don't know, I guess I will just be patient and let it come to me.
That is a great idea...which brings me to a question I've been pondering
In 575 it states See how clearly We explain Our verses for them and note how they keep wandering in thought!
Now do you see this statement as part of the context of Sura 5, or do you see it as a general concept regarding the Qur'an? I ask this because there are certainly concepts that are not made crystal-clear, that require much thought, often years of thought.
Thanks,
Tay -
Peace Tay, Kyle, all,
Reincarnation is not possible in reality, please see new thread at following link for arguments
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50824#50824
Regards,
Tanveer