When do we stop talking?
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Peace be upon you,
sorry, meant to add that "talking too much" also occurs within, too much "mind chatter".
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Peace mz357,idolfree1 and all. My current understanding is that sawm(fasting/abstinence)relates to any time a person fears a destructive situation that would happen if continued dialogue were to occur(keeping quiet to keep the peace,to step back and reflect on what can be done to improve the situation and clarify your thoughts/dialogue/speech/ideas). In the quran maryam and zachariya both did this as explaining their chidrens births could be problematic to the people,until they understood themselves how to talk about their situations.(there could have been accusations of adultery or improper behaviour from the public) sawm is there to help you remove(counteract) a sin,this could be because you are encouraged to think deeply on how to deal with your sin(by fasting) and after fasting you can have a rational plan to learn from the sin(ie its consequences) and deal with the people affected by it. Note in surah 2 after the fasting verses it immediately talks about calling(dua/thinking)upon gods laws and that if you do this god will respond to your thinking(dua) by sending you guidance(awareness),this ties in with the quran being sent down in shahr ramadhan(a time of clear distress). Have you noticed some of the best moments of clarity are when you are alone and under pressure. The command to defer the fast if you are ill refers to the possible impracticality of not talking when you need a lot of assistance.
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Peace. (Continuing from my previous post)the advice to defer the fast(abstinence)in case of safar(journey or task) can stem from the impracticality to stop talking when one has a task that needs doing(eg work,childcare,looking after someone etc.)then after becoming free from these tasks one can fast. If no time is available because of difficulty/many tasks then you can feed somebody.(physically or maybe mentally-through educating them on the consequences of sin,(like community service)). Note the arabic word basharoo can mean talk in 2187,so you abstain from talking to your wives when you are studying/reflecting on how to comply with gods commands in this situation(possible marital discord) and when the fast is completed(the layl/night/end of the fast) you may talk freely with your wives equipped with the guidance needed to resolve the situation justly(if god wills). The abstinence from talking does not preclude signs(or necessary communication to children, wife,etc.) as zakariya and maryam both communicated to the people by signs. Would appreciate feedback and correction of any misunderstandings i may have on this topic. True understanding is only from gods permission. As a human i am prone to mistakes. Peace.
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Peace be upon you Enquirer,
I just read your good responses. I am behind on my Sawn studies, so give me some time to refresh myself.
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peace to all
no offense to anyone but in my view, you are trying to confuse the religion. If God wanted us to 'talk-fast' he would TELL us to talk fast. As for the occurrences of people talk-fasting, they have been generously provided by God and that's their way of thanking Him; by devoting theirself to Him, Day and Night.
Just my view though.
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Salaams all,
agree with you enquirer-good understandings you have.
Peace mz357,idolfree1 and all. My current understanding is that sawm(fasting/abstinence)relates to any time a person fears a destructive situation that would happen if continued dialogue were to occur(keeping quiet to keep the peace,to step back and reflect on what can be done to improve the situation and clarify your thoughts/dialogue/speech/ideas). In the quran maryam and zachariya both did this as explaining their chidrens births could be problematic to the people,until they understood themselves how to talk about their situations.(there could have been accusations of adultery or improper behaviour from the public) sawm is there to help you remove(counteract) a sin,this could be because you are encouraged to think deeply on how to deal with your sin(by fasting) and after fasting you can have a rational plan to learn from the sin(ie its consequences) and deal with the people affected by it. Note in surah 2 after the fasting verses it immediately talks about calling(dua/thinking)upon gods laws and that if you do this god will respond to your thinking(dua) by sending you guidance(awareness),this ties in with the quran being sent down in shahr ramadhan(a time of clear distress). Have you noticed some of the best moments of clarity are when you are alone and under pressure. The command to defer the fast if you are ill refers to the possible impracticality of not talking when you need a lot of assistance.
Peace. (Continuing from my previous post)the advice to defer the fast(abstinence)in case of safar(journey or task) can stem from the impracticality to stop talking when one has a task that needs doing(eg work,childcare,looking after someone etc.)then after becoming free from these tasks one can fast. If no time is available because of difficulty/many tasks then you can feed somebody.(physically or maybe mentally-through educating them on the consequences of sin,(like community service)). Note the arabic word basharoo can mean talk in 2187,so you abstain from talking to your wives when you are studying/reflecting on how to comply with gods commands in this situation(possible marital discord) and when the fast is completed(the layl/night/end of the fast) you may talk freely with your wives equipped with the guidance needed to resolve the situation justly(if god wills). The abstinence from talking does not preclude signs(or necessary communication to children, wife,etc.) as zakariya and maryam both communicated to the people by signs. Would appreciate feedback and correction of any misunderstandings i may have on this topic. True understanding is only from gods permission. As a human i am prone to mistakes. Peace.
God All.
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Dear all
Zakria's abstention from talking was not fasting. It was a sign from Allah when he asked for one. He wouldn't speak even if he wanted to (verse 41 ch 3) " He said O my Lord. Make me a sign for me. He (Allah) said Your sign is that you shall not speak to people for three days...". No mention of fasting, which is done by the person themselves.
As for Mariam, it was baby Jesus, not Allah, who advised her to say to the people if they address her "... and if you see any human, say I have vowed a fast unto Al-Rahman, so I shall not speak to any human today" 2619. This was because it would be him who would speak to them.
Conclusion Allah did not ask either of them to fast from talking.
Wassalam
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Talk fasting? Then why would Allah exempt the sick and the travellers and not the teachers?
Also exempt are those who can do it but with difficulty. Who are they? The talkative or the teachers? Does it mean we should not communicte with each othe for a whole month?
How lucky are the mute!!
Can we still post on free-minds?
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Talk fasting? Then why would Allah exempt the sick and the travellers and not the teachers?
Also exempt are those who can do it but with difficulty. Who are they? The talkative or the teachers? Does it mean we should not communicte with each othe for a whole month?
How lucky are the mute!!
Can we still post on free-minds?
The sick and the travelers were people in critical situations and teachers didn't exist then but saying that when people do do wrong try to cheat and are cought there jobs arn't that important i think but purifying themselves to try and make themselves more righteous so it won't happen again is more important.
Remember they didn't have any types of money coming in then like we have now a days unemployment benefits....
so those who can't manage , well........there isn't a month , if there was a month someone forgot to mention the other 11 months.
try
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=4421.0
God Bless.
