salat = meeting to administrate the islamic state
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Peace be upon you,
Think of how people "WILL" to do right, lets say like stop smoking, but they keep right on smoking, or they want to excercise more because they know it is good for them, but they dont go to th egym, etc.
There is more to it than just "maintining commitments", there is a PROCESS here which allows the part of us that WILLS a thing to "wed" with the part of us that carries out a thing.
A mere WISHING for something is not good enough.
Danish, the statement of "now be a good boy" indicates for me that we must end our discussion. I found it hard not to reply in a disrespefctful manner, so lets end it.
Marie, I will wait until I am finish gathering the info for my article then we can discuss further.
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Peace Kyle,
Think of how people "WILL" to do right, lets say like stop smoking, but they keep right on smoking, or they want to excercise more because they know it is good for them, but they dont go to th egym, etc.
There is more to it than just "maintining commitments", there is a PROCESS here which allows the part of us that WILLS a thing to "wed" with the part of us that carries out a thing.
Whatever you're suggesting/implying above has nothing to do with "process" at dawn and dusk NOR the word salaat. Enough explanations and PROOFS from within Quran has been stated.
A mere WISHING for something is not good enough.
That's a good one and sure reflects on you when you present wishy-washy scenarios without any Quranic support and proper explanatin.
Danish, the statement of "now be a good boy" indicates for me that we must end our discussion. I found it hard not to reply in a disrespefctful manner, so lets end it.
Once again, this shows your inability to comprehend, present supportive and coherent views, disregarding and not reflecting upon Quranic Message, not paying any heed on several posts, and finally chickening-out on something like "now be a good boy". Can't take the heat, huh? wink
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Peace be upon you Danish,
Can't take the heat, huh?
Just following the COVENANT not to argue(jidala) in the debate(hajja).
Peace to you.
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Peace Kyle,
Can't take the heat, huh?
Just following the COVENANT not to argue(jidala) in the debate(hajja).
Peace to you.
This is exactly what you do when you fail to explain and support yourself. Just because I don't agree with your ideas, doesn't mean I have been arguing all along, and do note vice-versa.
Although, the topic of salaat has been discussed at length many times before, I would sincerely like other forum members to pitch in their views. Better yet, why not take a poll, with or without posts. I'm sure people here would give their honest views and not take sides. Would that be fair to you Kyle or would you rather have your way?
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Peace be upon you Danish,
You are free to do whatever you please to do, I have simply ended my debate with you in favor of Peace. While I am sure you still see "commitment" I see "process", but we cannot move further due to your inability to stick to the debate, but instead insult. I dont have time for it and the instruction is that there is no arguing in the debate. You can call it being chicken or whatever else you can come up with. I certainly will not refrain from discussing it further, as salaat is my favorite topic, but our discussion is through.
Not sure what effect a "poll" will have on the truth of a matter.
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Peace, all...
One of the "tricks" of sectarian Islam is that only in Arabic can the quran be fully appreciated. It seems that this is based on the fact that not all arabic words have a directly-correlating english word. This definately seems to be the case with "salat."
Perhaps this is why salat's definition is so complicated. Surely when GOD revealed the quran, the word was a common one, as it is used in various forms well over 75 times throughout. just as the word that "permits" them to beat their wives! just like the moon/month word. Just because the sectarians say that some words do not have an english equivalent does not mean that it is NOT TRUE. If they were wrong about everything in life, they'd all be dead, having eaten poison, or worse.
Partial definitions, such as connecting, following closely, PRAYER, etc, probably are in fact part of this non-english word's meaning...prayer emphasized because it probably was added as a possible meaning when no english word was found to give justice...but that more than likely meant something else to pagan nomads of long ago.
I cannot criticize anyone for their attempt at understanding. We know that only GOD truly knows what was meant, and we're all trying.
Myself, I cannot give a definition. I feel most at peace, like I've at least touched on the truth, when I force myself up early to read the quran & pray to GOD without distractions. Same for evening, especially since i get a sense of guilt or "unpeace...non-peace" when i choose to be distracted by worldly things & just say a li'l prayer from my pillow. So, one could say my approach to understanding is through "feeling".
The birds, who are a community like us, know their salat. I get much satisfaction & what feels like confirmation when i'm reading and the birds' loud chirping at dawn is all i hear.Peace,
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Peace be upon you,
I think I might be changing over to "commitment". I have to look a bit closer, but I am starting to see some things that I did not before.
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Peace Kyle,
You are free to do whatever you please to do, I have simply ended my debate with you in favor of Peace. While I am sure you still see "commitment" I see "process", but we cannot move further due to your inability to stick to the debate, but instead insult. I dont have time for it and the instruction is that there is no arguing in the debate. You can call it being chicken or whatever else you can come up with. I certainly will not refrain from discussing it further, as salaat is my favorite topic, but our discussion is through.
Not sure what effect a "poll" will have on the truth of a matter.
Kyle, I don?t play games with Quran and neither do I ?hitchhike? my way out. You could have demonstrated professionalism and respectfulness by letting me know that you would further seek, understand and study the relevance of salaat throughout the Quran and by reflecting upon my posts (similar to what you mentioned in your last post above), instead of enforcements and confessions. This would have not led to the alleged ?insults? you claim and after all, I am not perfect either. For a starter, Aidid Safar's article on salaat is quite commendable (www.aididsafar.com). Nevertheless, I do believe that some of your posts on other topics are very interesting and thoughtful.
Take it easy Kyle and hope you come up with a better understanding of the word salaat. ) GOD bless.
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Peace be upon you,
Yes, Aidids article, which is updated from the one I remember reading, is very good. It is what has me seeing things differently. I am not sure how to take the rest of your post though.
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Peace be upon you,
Yes, I read this debate back after reading Aidid's article, I withdraw from the position of process, well stated arguments Danish, Marie, and everyone else.
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Peace be upon you,
Yes, I read this debate back after reading Aidid's article, I withdraw from the position of process, well stated arguments Danish, Marie, and everyone else.
Peace,
Can you explain what have convinced you ?
"Process" have never seemed cogent to me, it is like "act", it is not very clear.
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Peace be upon you JM,
Can you explain what have convinced you ?
"Process" have never seemed cogent to me, it is like "act", it is not very clear.
Just a strong argument that finally made sense to me. Nothing more than that. This is why we debate. Just have to be humble enough to admit when you see the truth. And its hard to do when a person you are debating starts to speak down to you. But when seeking the truth you really have no choice.