4:101-103
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4101 And when you (plural) are traveling in the land, there is no harm that you (plural) shorten the salat, if you (plural) fear that alatheena kafaroo will try you (plural). Al kafireena are to you (PLURAL) a clear enemy.
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As per my current understanding, there is a difference between alatheena kafaroo (those who are lost in darkness/indifferent to warning) and al kafireena (the hypocrites). 26-7 gives the definition for alatheena kafaroo while 28-220 describes al kafireena. Alatheena kafaroo are the enemy that is attacking the believers while al kafireena are the internal enemy.
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The last group/people mentoned in plural in verse 4101 is "you" (i.e. the believers). Thus, the first few instances of "them" upholding the salat in 4102 refer to the believers. It is subtle, but still indicates that it is the believers that are upholding the salat with the messenger.
It thus reads
4102 And when you (singular - i.e. the messenger) are with them (plural - i.e. the believers) and uphold the salat for them, then let a group from amongst them stand with you and let them bring their weapons. When they have submitted...
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Verse 4102 is definitely the one that deals the final blow to the concept of a ritual prayer the way traditionalists view it. When read in conjunction with other verses it appears clear that salat was some kind of meeting dedicated to god and was essentially revolving around the quran. Exposing the traditionalist to this verse is the best way to show him that the ritual which he thinks is the key to paradise has in fact nothing to do with what salat is intented to be. Think about it, a gathering of some sort with real and substantial reading is way more beneficial for the believers than the pointless individual gymnastic and the parroting of a few surah here and there, so much so that it becomes ridiculous that, given the importance of the concept of salat in the quran, we even think of it as some sort of ritual. That's why I will never understand why some self-pretending quran only believers are still trying to interpret salat as rituals. They just can't throw away any past preconceived notion while approaching the quran and they're thus subconsciously sticking to their traditionalist past.
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Peace Lost.
By all means,give us your take on the meanings of the "Aquimi Saat" verses.
Only make sure that you bring all your evidence from Qoran using all the verses with "Aquimi Salat" in them.
We already know that "Salat" is not a ritual,this is easy to establish from Qoran,but the problem for you and others is "Aquimi Salat".
Simple questions like
What is "Aquimi Salat"?
What gathering are people talking about?
What does 56 mean?
What is "specific times"?
...etc.
We are all ears,since you say,quote
That's why I will never understand why some self-pretending quran only believers are still trying to interpret salat as rituals. They just can't throw away any past preconceived notion while approaching the quran and they're thus subconsciously sticking to their traditionalist past.
GOD bless you.
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You probably know that the term salat has multiple renditions in the quran. When salat appears to be more like a physical notion, this is what I refer to as gatherings or so to speak. In the expression aquimi salat, I see it more as ''duty''/''following closely''/''sticking to god's laws''...
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Peace Lost.
OK,so you say,quote
In the expression aquimi salat, I see it more as ''duty''/''following closely''/''sticking to god's laws''...So why 56? And why only at "specific times"?
Do you also agree that duty,following closely,sticking to God s laws are general and may mean different things to different people?
GOD bless you.
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Well the ablution kind of thing might be understandable if we talk about a gathering or just to be clean in general. As for the specific times, It maybe refers to the two periods described in other verses and which could correpond to salat al-isha and al fajr and having specific times would prove to be a very good way to establish consistent and organised gatherings, especially when the said times are in periods of the day when people aren't normally busy... That's my current understanding
Following closely and all I don't think it means different things depending on the person, I mean god's laws are pretty clear overall, aren't they.
Peace
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I do not agree brother,unless I see explanation of all the verses in harmony,consistency and a non contradictory method.
What I am hearing from you is an opinion and your view . That is fine by me as you are entitled to your views, however I am not convinced according to my study of the verses.
GOD bless you.
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My take on "Aquimi Salat" is a time of "contact prayer" with GOD according to what has been originally taught to Abraham- Wa Awhaina Ilaihim fihla Al Kheirat Wa Iquami Salat...- In turn Abraham taught it to his family and subsequent generations up to now.
In short "Aquimi Salat" is a "contact prayer" shown to Abraham (He was the first to be taught the details/steps),then it came through to us by "parents teaching children" ...When things got added/taken away, GOD kept correcting through messengers up to Qoran.Qoran confirms this and corrects what has been changed- Thumma Awhaina ilaika Ani Ittabih Millata Abraham...- i.e The prophet/messenger of Qoran carried on the practice through to us.
Why a "Contact prayer"? Qoran gives the reason as "feeding our soul/grow our soul" for the day of judgement( Thakulat mawazinuhu)through this i.e GOD s remembrance and our reflection on our ways/conduct.
Is it important? More important things are "Sirat Mustaqueem and having good conduct and good morals" They are the "worship /Ibada" according to Qoran
GOD bless you.
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So it could as well fit the ''gathering'' thing, in the sens that you can do your salat alone or alone in group and salat in these cases is reciation of quran/remembrance of god, basically anything to feed your soul like you say. I guess you would agree that you can perform these contact prayers as you wish. But the concept seems to be of a certain importance given the recurrent mentions of ''aquimu salat'' in the quran...
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peace GL,
Please provide Quran verses to evidence your statements
'...according to what has been originally taught to Abraham...
In turn Abraham taught it to his family and subsequent generations up to now.
Abraham (He was the first to be taught the details/steps),then it came through to us by "parents teaching children"
When things got added/taken away, GOD kept correcting through messengers up to Qoran.
Qoran confirms this and corrects what has been changed
The prophet/messenger of Qoran carried on the practice through to us.
Why a "Contact prayer"? Qoran gives the reason as "feeding our soul/grow our soul" for the day of judgement( Thakulat mawazinuhu)through this i.e GOD s remembrance and our reflection on our ways/conduct.
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Peace Wakas.
I have provided you with verses on this topic numerous times in the past( 1440,2173,16123, 835,2014, and many other verses) . Please look for them through the search button.
Also I do not see your logic in asking me to provide evidence for "my take" on topics,when I say it is my view. You can take it or leave it.
But I am always.0*958 5h9+-appy to provide verses from Qoran.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Lost.
Like I said to Wakas, it is my view and one has to study Qoran and get their understanding from its verses.
I do my "salat" at home at this moment. I do not go to a mosque as I do not agree with their take on the deen. In my opinion it is not dedicated to GOD Alone and some of what they do contradicts instructions of Qoran.
I see my relationship with GOD Alone as personal . I try my best (Ma Istataatum) to follow a peaceful life with all the denominations as instructed by Qoran.
GOD bless you.
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Yes ,with pleasure
Numerous verses throughout the Quran inform us that the Contact Prayers were in existence, intact, and practised before the advent of Muhammad ( 835 & 954).
All positions of the Contact Prayers are found in the Quran, including the standing position (339, 399), the bowing and prostration positions (Rukoo' and Sajood) (243, 343, 9112, 2226, 2277). after preparation for it(56)The mosques have got the part of the rukoo and sujud correct as far as I can tell. It is the "shirk" part of calling other than GOD Alone in their Salat (Like Mohammed and Ibrahim)that I do not agree with(7227).
For me it is not rocket Science,the "gymnastics" of Iquami Salat have been well preserved generation after generation.
GOD bless you.
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Like many other disciplines,it is good for our body and soul.
Can you make any sense of other physical movements that humans do in all sorts of other sports/games...etc?
Both our body and mind need exercise and nourishment.
Our Creator knows our needs in both our physical and spiritual bodies.
GOD bless you.
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Like many other disciplines,it is good for our body and soul.
Can you make any sense of other physical movements that humans do in all sorts of other sports/games...etc?
Both our body and mind need exercise and nourishment.
Our Creator knows our needs in both our physical and spiritual bodies.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Of course.
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